Guild Wars 2

Sorry if this has already been discussed! But, I’m writing a fanfic that might need extensive knowledge of certain parts of lore, so i’d appreciate it if any of you have more knowledge on the subject.. from what I’ve read, Abaddon granted magic to the races of Tyria, however, it caused abuse of magic and bloodshed. So King Doric pleaded to the human gods, and they sealed the bloodstone with Doric’s blood and split it into five pieces, set into the largest volcano in the Ring of Fire. Which then erupted later, and scattered the five pieces. There is mention of three locations, but two are not mentioned in the wiki.

1) The magic available in the land today, i.e. through our characters and classes, are they the same magic provided by the bloodstones, now sealed?

2) What effect does the four separate schools of magic: Preservation, Aggression, Denial, and Destruction have on modern-day usage? I am not aware of the mention of this in gw2 especially in our own “usage” of magic

3) What are your speculations or educated hypothesis about the location of the other two bloodstone pieces? Are there any evidence related to this?

4) Trivial, but are the bloodstone shards used in legendaries, the same part of lore, and if so, does that mean the five pieces were split into more shards?

Edit: extra question, I apologize for my ignorance, but, are there any other “artifacts” that come to mind that affects or controls magic in the world? Seeing that it is uncorrupted magic, what about other magic then? Things like the Lost Scrolls which is dubbed “dark magic” which sunk Orr, is that “corrupted” magic?

Thanks

Your summary is correct as up until Arah explorable dungeon in GW2, which shed light on a few things. And come to think of it, the quiz terminal event at Shelter Docks added a bit on how Abaddon granted magic too. I’ll get to these later, first your questions:

1) Yes – or at least supposedly yes. The bloodstones split magic into four schools: Destruction, Denial, Aggression, and Preservation. It is impossible to use all four schools but previously possible to use at least 2 (now in GW2, secondary professions don’t exist – we don’t know why lore-wise). Elementalists are confirmed to use Destruction magic, but beyond that which profession uses what school is unknown. It is a general consensus to believe that Monk/Guardian (perhaps Paragon too) use Preservation; Rangers (as of GW2; GW1 rangers didn’t use magic other than the nature rituals as far as we’re aware) uses Destruction; Necromancers use Aggression; Mesmers and Thieves/Assassins use Denial; what Dervishes and Ritualists used has been fully in the air as has been whether Warriors ever used magic (I don’t think so personally; and I’d place Dervish as Destruction and Ritualists as Preservation with the added attribute of summoning spirits to bypass the school-restriction, so indirectly all four).

However, it should be noted that it is possible to use non-Bloodstone magic. Part of what’s been learned in GW2 is that the Bloodstones were a container made by the seers to hold in all non-corrupted magic in the world, effectively draining the Elder Dragons of their food. Abaddon unleashed this magic and then the other five gods reduced the unleashing (and strengthened it via tapping into Zhaitan). So the Bloodstones have a limited supply of magic, supposedly. At the same time,magic in the Mists would be different and the Elder Dragons are known to have lived in multiple cycles of being awake and asleep, each time supposedly wiping out all life and magic before starving into hibernation once more which would mean that magic is ever-increasing. If so, this means that by now there is magic in the world that doesn’t come from the Bloodstones, should one know how to tap it (the same could potentially be said for when the Bloodstones were tampered by Abaddon even). But for emphasis, this is all still theorycrafting.

2) As said, an individual can only use a limited number of schools (supposedly 1 or 2). As such, the schools seem to have been tapped into via the difference in professions. Each profession uses a different school. This is still partially conjecture, but seems more or less confirmed by the fact that Elementalists do indeed use Destruction magic. So the “effect” would be the creation of the caster professions.

3) I think it’s highly likely that one is underwater, towards the Unending Ocean. The Ring of Fire has water in too many directions to not be so. The fifth, I had once suspected to have landed around Orr but I am not sure. It would be interesting if The Hallowed Point turned out to be the furthest flunged Bloodstone (perhaps the one of Destruction magic), but given how Bloodstone Fen and Bloodstone Caves’ bloodstones are about equal (more or less) distance from the volcano, I suspect the other two are of similar distance from it.

And other than the geography, I hold no evidence. I suspect the Hallowed Point because it’s a highly magical location, which is what the Ring of Fire and Maguuma Jungle are too. But not all highly magical locations would be due to the Bloodstones.

4) The answer to the second part of the question lies in Arah explorable. When the Bloodstone wkittentered, it was not into five perfect pieces. Shards of the bloodstone broke off as well, and some were given to the High Priests/Priestesses of the gods. I suspect those that’re bought by Miyani would be similar shards – then there’s also the Bloodstone Caves bloodstone which had floating shards around it.

As to whether the shards being used in legendaries are part of lore… well, first of all we don’t know the process in which Zomorros does the trading – it seems like he never forges things directly, simply takes from some stash of his in exchange for what we give. And secondly, it depends on what lore – and how much lore – the legendaries contain. To which I think there’s only one of each, each with their own lore behind them, but the process of trading with Zomorros and players owning these weapons is purely mechanical. After all, I cannot consider a thousand copies of Twilight to be “legendary.”

-more in next post-

To the facts presented in GW2 that you missed before that I said I’d get to later; summarized:

• Abaddon gave unique magic to each individual group. Perhaps catering the magic granted to their persona? Never explained.
• The original Bloodstone, as said, was created by the Seers during the last Elder Dragon rise. They made it to contain all non-corrupted magic in the world, including that of their allies like the jotun.
• Sometime after the Elder Dragons went into hibernation and the Six Gods came to the world, they found the Bloodstone (and many other magical artifacts) and brought them to Arah. In 1 BE, Abaddon tapped into the Bloodstone to give the magic; then the Five Gods weakened the release of magic, tapped into Zhaitan to strengthen the Bloodstone, and shattered it into five pieces (as said, not perfectly; shards were created). Then history is as said in The History of Tyria… to all our indication. Given how wrong that document has been thus far, I’m iffy on trusting any of it now.

The bloodstone wasn’t created by the gods or king doric, but by the Seers during the last awakening of the elder dragons to contain uncorrupted magic. After the Elder dragons went back to sleep (how and why is unknown) the lands where therefor without magic.

When the 5 gods arrived Abadon used the bloodstone to gift magic to the races of Tyria.

Cause of the mis-use of magic, the blood of Doric was used to seal the stone and split it into five pieces. The pieces where hidden into the Volcano, wich later erupted sending the pieces around the world.

I see the bloodstones as they are now as a control device for using magic and not as the source of magic. It is said that the 5 Gods collected many magical artificats and not only the bloodstone.

1) seeing them as control devices instead of a direct source, means they are still controlling it yes.

2) the schools are still in effect

3) it is simply unknown. A lot of theorycrafting has been done, but they are just somewhere.

4) I believe these bloodstone shards are indeed parts of the originally bloodstone. But they are not as powerfull or important as the 5 big pieces, they are as being said just shards, that broke off during the split. If you do Arah explorablemode path 4 (the seer path) you will learn more bout this.

This is the most important dialogue:
Randall Greyston: The seers were a magical race, once close allies to the mursaat.
Randall Greyston: When the Elder Dragons first awoke, they gathered the unspoiled magic in the world and locked it within a great artifact—the first bloodstone.
Randall Greyston: The human gods recovered this bloodstone, and gave magic to the human race. When humanity could not handle that power, they split it into five parts.
Randall Greyston: The first bloodstone was broken into pieces in Arah.
Randall Greyston: I’ve modified an asuran device to follow divine energies. I think we can find shards from that event, and perhaps its location.

To give a lil bit more info this dialogue is important too:

Randall Greyston: Each of the bloodstone shards has been captured by a corrupted servant of a human god, yet this one is not. I wonder why.
Randall Greyston: Fantastic! The human gods not only sundered the seer’s bloodstone here-they increased its power.
Randall Greyston: They pulled the energies of Zhaitan himself, even though they did not know of the sleeping Elder Dragon.
Randall Greyston: They only knew that this was a place of great magical power, and built their godly city here.
<Instance Owner>: Greyston! What is happening to you?
Randall Greyston: I can hear the stones calling me! I can hear the voices of the Six Gods!

If there is a Bloodstone in the Unending Ocean, that could explain what has been keeping Bubbles attention this whole time. It isn’t going to care what’s going on on land, when one of the largest sources of magic in Tyria is in its domain, and in reach as well.

Thanks for all the information guys! I ran Arah so many times but it was always with dungeon-fluent guild teams that always skipped all the cutscenes and dialogue LOL so i felt pressured to skip them too XD

If possible, can I hear more theorycrafting for the location of the bloodstones, or direct me to some links or sources with those discussions?

Secondly, extra question, i apologize for my ignorance, but, are there any other “artifacts” that come to mind that affects or controls magic in the world? Seeing that it is uncorrupted magic, what about other magic then? Things like the Lost Scrolls which is dubbed “dark magic” which sunk Orr, is that “corrupted” magic?

thanks all!

The other magical artifacts gathered were just things from the other Elder Races aside from the seers. None affected or controlled magic in the world. There was The Mystic Telescope, some books and vases from the Forgotten, the Bloodstone, some Jotun monuments, and some mursaat statues.

By “corrupted” magic, it is meant magic twisted by the Elder Dragons. So no, the Lost Scrolls wouldn’t count as Corrupted Magic (at least, nothing points to such). Corrupted magic is basically what would twist things into dragon minions.

Well I’m not sure if the magic in the bloodstones can still be considered uncorupted. Like Randall Greystone is saying in Arah, The Gods increased the bloodstone’s power by pulling energy from Zhaitan himself (not knowing it was an elder dragon). I think this ‘magic’ can’t be considered uncorrupted. So the clean magic it was giving might be untrue since then. It might even be that it is the reason why magic was used in a violent way at first.

I think it can.

Corrupted magic corrupts those who use it. If the Bloodstone’s magic was corrupted, then every living thing using magic would be a Risen by now.

I think that the Six Gods, or the Seers, did something (else) to the Bloodstone – perhaps related to the Forgotten’s magic which was uncorruptable by the Elder Dragons, and even able to revert the mental changes the ED make via their corruption – that prevented Zhaitan from indirectly corrupting the Bloodstones.

The bloodstones may not just store magic as intended but filter it as well. We know magic is a depletable resource that takes time for Tyria to regenerate. This would explain why we see no sign of the bloodstones ‘running out’ and it would ensure that the world has a renewable source of uncorrupted magic.

I recall mention from a while back from gw.dat digging that there were/is mention of the Bloodstone weakening in power – was to be/is mentioned around Brisban Wildlands (I suspect that it was to be the loading screen text that got removed between betas). So they may actually be containers.

It’s always been hard for me to imagine how the bloodstones filter magic anyways. Certainly couldn’t be done perfectly.

I’m not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but one of the Bloodstones is considered the Keystone. The stone to which all the other bloodstones were originally attached. And it is supposedly larger (or so we assume) and stronger than all the other Bloodstones. It is also required if one was to reassemble the Bloodstones, and make them whole again.

The Keystone could be the one in the Ring of Fire. And I agree with Konig that the likely hood of one of the Bloodstones landing in the sea is extremely large. I also agree that it is likely, but unsupported by any evidence at this point, that the other Bloodstone lies in Orr. Since we haven’t seen 50% of Orr, this is still possible.

If you are going to write fan fic that involves the Bloodstones, I’d be really careful with the facts. There’s still a lot we don’t know. And it is even possible that the previous locations of the Bloodstones as seen in GW1 may have changed. Until we see the Bloodstones in their original places in GW2, we just can’t be sure. The bloodstones are surrounded by a lot of speculation. And anything you write about it, may end up being undone by a future expansion.

As the others have noted, none of this is confirmed, but my brother and I have noted that there seemed to be a pattern to the blast. As Konig already stated, the two that left the Ring of Fire are roughly equidistant, and all three known stones traveled at ninety degree angles, with one heading straight up. If this pattern holds for the other two, then they would both be underwater, with one south and a bit west of Orr and the other a ways south of the Tarnished Coast beyond the western edge of the map.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I’m not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but one of the Bloodstones is considered the Keystone. The stone to which all the other bloodstones were originally attached. And it is supposedly larger (or so we assume) and stronger than all the other Bloodstones. It is also required if one was to reassemble the Bloodstones, and make them whole again.

The Keystone could be the one in the Ring of Fire. And I agree with Konig that the likely hood of one of the Bloodstones landing in the sea is extremely large. I also agree that it is likely, but unsupported by any evidence at this point, that the other Bloodstone lies in Orr. Since we haven’t seen 50% of Orr, this is still possible.

If you are going to write fan fic that involves the Bloodstones, I’d be really careful with the facts. There’s still a lot we don’t know. And it is even possible that the previous locations of the Bloodstones as seen in GW1 may have changed. Until we see the Bloodstones in their original places in GW2, we just can’t be sure. The bloodstones are surrounded by a lot of speculation. And anything you write about it, may end up being undone by a future expansion.

Thanks for the info everyone! Really appreciate it ^^ and yeah I know that there’s a lot we don’t know, I’m just having a little fun with what we got so far and making a more imaginative story from it but I do want what we know so far to be incorporated and be the foundation of the story