Guild Wars 2

So its been over a year and the bridges in Lions Arch haven’t been fixed. This is a problem for me. Im one of those bigger Charrs (big boned) and I happen to fall down every once in while. I mean its been over a year in real life since the invasion, how long has it been in the game? Are the workers in lions arch not capable of building a bridge or on strike.
The other day I was running somewhere though the land of the Norns (forgot at the moment) and you have to defend the workers while they repair the bridge(bigger than lion’s arch) and whalaa the bridge was fixed in 5 minutes.

Note: I demand a plaque for all the charrs who have fallen though that bridge!!

It’s actually an interesting idea you present here. Should have been possible for ANet to repair the bridges (and possibly: stairs, pathways etc.) fairly easily without using a huge amount of time.

It would certainly be interesting if such smaller changes could be slowly implemented now, then the bigger ones later. I guess the reason may be though; that they don’t want to simply repair the city, but create a full makeover. The bridges may eventually be moved alltogether.

Wildlife has been returning, I believe 1 or 2 bridges have been built/repaired, I also see more plants and the sky is less dark.

There are subtle differences for those astute enough to see.

But yes, progress has been slow.

Novuake.2691:

Wildlife has been returning, I believe 1 or 2 bridges have been built/repaired, I also see more plants and the sky is less dark.

There are subtle differences for those astute enough to see.

But yes, progress has been slow.

The question is, what is faster? The workers, or the wildlife regaining their territory?
Who will be first?

Jaken.6801:

The question is, what is faster? The workers, or the wildlife regaining their territory?
Who will be first?

LOL without knowing every factor involved? Who knows?

I would put money on Wildlife returning because they can “migrate” from other areas, also most plants that grow in there are also pretty fast growing tropical stuff.

Dono.

Novuake.2691:

Wildlife has been returning, I believe 1 or 2 bridges have been built/repaired, I also see more plants and the sky is less dark.

There are subtle differences for those astute enough to see.

But yes, progress has been slow.

Well, they are so subtle I never noticed those changes… you don’t happen to have any proof?

Cerbeius.7129:

Well, they are so subtle I never noticed those changes… you don’t happen to have any proof?

Go into LA, look around. No more proof needed.

There was NO LIFE in LA after the Breachmaker. Now there is.

@Novuake: Those changes happened in two points, and not subtle at all. The first was during Aftermath (which added primarily scavengers and some Lionguard), and the second was during Festival of the Four Winds (which added the skritt in the cave, returned the pirates, added the three crafting station hubs, returned the gates to LA, and mostly emptied the refugee camps outside of LA). Aside from those two points, there were 0 changes, aside from the new dialogue scene with Evon, o-Tron, Kiel, and Magnus in Fort Marriner which was added with Episode 8.

@Quickninja: As a charr player who fell into those wholes many times… I really wish they fixed those bridges asap… At least when they did the second set of fixes with Festival of the Four Winds (when they removed scavengers and added in the crafting stations again).

Y for instant repair of bridge between fort and crushed lion’s statue. I felt there few times.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

@Novuake: Those changes happened in two points, and not subtle at all. The first was during Aftermath (which added primarily scavengers and some Lionguard), and the second was during Festival of the Four Winds (which added the skritt in the cave, returned the pirates, added the three crafting station hubs, returned the gates to LA, and mostly emptied the refugee camps outside of LA). Aside from those two points, there were 0 changes, aside from the new dialogue scene with Evon, o-Tron, Kiel, and Magnus in Fort Marriner which was added with Episode 8.

@Quickninja: As a charr player who fell into those wholes many times… I really wish they fixed those bridges asap… At least when they did the second set of fixes with Festival of the Four Winds (when they removed scavengers and added in the crafting stations again).

There was definitely a third minor one, I remember the Festival update and there wasn’t any wildlife in that one, nor were there any larger tropical plants, mostly just grass. Sorry for the bump.

MatthewMedina.5419:

Call it red tape. Kiel is doing her darndest to devote spending to infrastructure, but the Captain’s Council keep talking in circles about defense spending and tax reform.

And this is why we should have voted for Evon! He’s the Charr that gets things done! The Black Lion Trading Post was working before, during and after the invasion of LA. Clearly it shows Evon’s managerial powers.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

(when they removed scavengers and added in the crafting stations again).

Hmmm… I don’t remember having ever seen any scavengers. o.o

With that being said; I seem to have no memory whatsoever of Lion’s Arch between the evacuation event and the return of the crafting stations and stuff…

T_T

CureForLiving.5360:

MatthewMedina.5419:

Call it red tape. Kiel is doing her darndest to devote spending to infrastructure, but the Captain’s Council keep talking in circles about defense spending and tax reform.

And this is why we should have voted for Evon! He’s the Charr that gets things done! The Black Lion Trading Post was working before, during and after the invasion of LA. Clearly it shows Evon’s managerial powers.

If Evon had won, then there would just be no representation for both infrastructure and defense spending, as he would have turned the whole council to just tax reform, tax hikes, taxes, taxes, and more taxes. But at least he would get along with the council better than Kiel, so I guess that’s something.

Is anybody not wondering about why the npc’s are standing right next to each other on the fort?
First the dialogue between Kiel and Magnus, introducing Hero-tron. Then Evon talking to Hero-tron about having to tell Evon all “the juicy tidbits”. While Magnus and Kiel are still standing right there!
That just doesn’t make sence. Also there is Evon’s twin…

Saturn.6591:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

(when they removed scavengers and added in the crafting stations again).

Hmmm… I don’t remember having ever seen any scavengers. o.o

With that being said; I seem to have no memory whatsoever of Lion’s Arch between the evacuation event and the return of the crafting stations and stuff…

T_T

There were definitely scavengers of many races here and there kneeling besides the ruined houses during the early months of LA after Scarlet’s invasion. Whenever I tried to approach them to get a closer look, they noticed me and vanished.

I haven’t been paying too close attention, so many of the more subtle changes must’ve passed me by. I do hope that this trend of updates here and there continues far into the future, though, and we see LA slowly returning to life and to its former/rebuilt glory over time. However, it seems this might not come to pass if this foreboding conversation is anything to go by about people’s unrest and losing trust on the council to get anything done…

Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: Parts of the city are still unsafe. But once we fix—
Citizen: I’m tired of excuses, Magnus. The city’s a wreck. If you can’t get Lion’s Arch on its feet, you’re going to wake up and find this a ghost town.
Captain Ellen Kiel: Who was that?
Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: One of the hungry. Jobless. In mourning. And her anger is going to have company when we bring more of them back in.
Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: We’re not ready for this. We’ve barely started to make the city livable again.
[…]
Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: Look, we’re going to have a lot of people coming back without homes or jobs.
Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: No jobs mean lots of idle hands. I can handle a little crime. This city was founded on it. But riots? They’ll end everything.

Here’s to hoping that when the inevitable kitten hits the fan (whether through riots or something else like Consortium shenanigans), Evon Gnashblade, Hero of Lion’s Arch, will be ready to save the city he considers his and our home. He’s not the hero LA deserves but the hero it needs in this time of crisis, and his new, profitable alliance with Hero-Tron will ensure a bright future for us all. Go, Team Gnashblade! ^^

MatthewMedina.5419:

the Captain’s Council keep talking in circles about defense spending

That would be better though. For the past few years, Lions Arch has suffered a major assault 4 times. First Risen, then Karka, Then Aetherblades and finally Scarlet’s army. And LA isn’t exactly a fortress, most of it’s buildings are made from scrap wood, there is no artillery anywhere, no fortifications basically nothing to defend it. Yes there is a small vigil fortress but having the entire city conquered and destroyed except for that small fortress doesn’t help much either.

As a result LA is ruined. After all those assaults the captain’s council should turn LA in one big super fortress.

I feel like maybe Kiel has a point, the money being spent on defense spending is being hugely wasted. Not long after a humiliating defeat, our huge idea to defeat a dragon that we know has power over plant life is to send a fleet of airships made of WOOD?! That were immediately destroyed?! Heads should be rolling in Lions Arch right now.

wwwes.1398:

I feel like maybe Kiel has a point, the money being spent on defense spending is being hugely wasted. Not long after a humiliating defeat, our huge idea to defeat a dragon that we know has power over plant life is to send a fleet of airships made of WOOD?! That were immediately destroyed?! Heads should be rolling in Lions Arch right now.

Pact airships are made of metal.

MatthewMedina.5419:

Call it red tape. Kiel is doing her darndest to devote spending to infrastructure, but the Captain’s Council keep talking in circles about defense spending and tax reform.

If Evon won, not only would we have had Lion’s Arch rebuilt, but we’d also have tax reform, universal health care, and racial marriage equality.

Kiel should definitely stop writing threatening letters to Mordremoth, and instead focus on helping the immigrants to LA get a fair shake.

It’s not long ago even waypoints in LA got destroyed (the one in Fort Marriner), and the threat of Mordremoth is far from removed. It was a Sylvari under his control that destroyed LA in the first place; and just a little while ago the Pact Fleet got shot down over the Maguuma Jungle…

So… with the little funds you’ve got; would you rebuild your city or ensure the threat was removed first?

Yes – I get it people want LA back, but imho it just doesn’t make sense to rebuild something that recently got destroyed when you have no guarantee it won’t be blown to bits again by the same dragon should it rise.

MatthewMedina.5419:

Call it red tape. Kiel is doing her darndest to devote spending to infrastructure, but the Captain’s Council keep talking in circles about defense spending and tax reform.

Maybe if we all were to donate some wooden planks, we could get some hammers and fix them ourselves? I mean if each adventurer would nail down a single plank, one would assume we’d get the bridges fixes.

If Evon won, he would sell LA to Scarlet and there would be no destruction

It was actually said that Evon would have been able to create a better defense in the final battle at LA, and there’d be less destruction involved.

Overall it seems that Kiel was the bad choice. :/

Of course Kiel was a bad choice, she didn’t do anything and isn’t doing anything. I ASK FOR A RECOUNT OF THE VOTES!

Btw, shouldn’t we tell Kiel that her workers needs tools to work? I’ve seen people hammering with their bare hands. It’s outrageous, this is slavery!

Well to be fair, I seem to recall Kiel calling for more defenses in the city but the rest of the council was like “meh”. So it’s not really her fault. Let’s not forget she is not the sole ruler of Lions Arch, she is part of a council.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Well to be fair, I seem to recall Kiel calling for more defenses in the city but the rest of the council was like “meh”. So it’s not really her fault. Let’s not forget she is not the sole ruler of Lions Arch, she is part of a council.

Maybe she should be.

Shanna.4762:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Well to be fair, I seem to recall Kiel calling for more defenses in the city but the rest of the council was like “meh”. So it’s not really her fault. Let’s not forget she is not the sole ruler of Lions Arch, she is part of a council.

Maybe she should be.

I’d support the tyrannical tag team of Kiel and Evon the Co-Captains of Lion’s Arch. Just let Kiel be the figure head that deals with all the defenses, management, and “nice” politicking, and Evon could be the one behind the scenes doing the nitty-gritty stuff.

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Of course Kiel was a bad choice, she didn’t do anything and isn’t doing anything. I ASK FOR A RECOUNT OF THE VOTES!

Oh please, we all know that’s impossible because of all the ballot boxes that were lost in that tragic accident in Mount Maelstrom. At least now we know that fire elementals don’t make good ballot counters. I’m sure those boxes contained a statistically correct number of votes for Kiel and Gnashblade.

The rumours that they contained only Gnashblade votes are completely unsubstantiated. As are the rumours that they were empty, I personally made sure they weren’t empt… I mean. Erm. Nothing.

This interview is over!

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

wwwes.1398:

I feel like maybe Kiel has a point, the money being spent on defense spending is being hugely wasted. Not long after a humiliating defeat, our huge idea to defeat a dragon that we know has power over plant life is to send a fleet of airships made of WOOD?! That were immediately destroyed?! Heads should be rolling in Lions Arch right now.

Pact airships are made of metal.

Yeah. They’re also pact airships, not Lion’s Arch airships. I doubt that Lion’s Arch has much to do with the pact especially not now.

The workers are doing exactly as I instructed them as their union rep!

Call me impatient buuuuuut when does the next bit of dialogue begin? Is LA going to be relevant to HoT? are we going to have a “spin off” living world where we focus on the reconstruction of LA while helping Hero-Tron with its spying biz and potentially get adopted by Evon and change our names to Gnashy Jr. while we wait for the xpac? or is it going to be S3 of the living world? Talk to me! XD Personally……..I couldn’t resist! I voted for Kiel! She is so beautiful! ugh my male hormones need to stop controlling my life!

Gaile Gray.6029:

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Of course Kiel was a bad choice, she didn’t do anything and isn’t doing anything. I ASK FOR A RECOUNT OF THE VOTES!

Btw, shouldn’t we tell Kiel that her workers needs tools to work? I’ve seen people hammering with their bare hands. It’s outrageous, this is slavery!

Seriously, Kiel needs to attend to this, it’s outrageous! More and better tools for all! You have to wonder in what third-rate tool shop in what remote location did a purchasing agent get the bright idea to pick up picks that swing vertically and strike on the side. We citizens of LA are all for fiscal responsibility, but that’s just a silly bit of costs savings.

Pifil.5193:

VergilDeZaniah.3295:

Of course Kiel was a bad choice, she didn’t do anything and isn’t doing anything. I ASK FOR A RECOUNT OF THE VOTES!

Oh please, we all know that’s impossible because of all the ballot boxes that were lost in that tragic accident in Mount Maelstrom. At least now we know that fire elementals don’t make good ballot counters. I’m sure those boxes contained a statistically correct number of votes for Kiel and Gnashblade.

The rumours that they contained only Gnashblade votes are completely unsubstantiated. As are the rumours that they were empty, I personally made sure they weren’t empt… I mean. Erm. Nothing.

This interview is over!

I will be standing in the forthcoming elections! Transparency and efficiency!

All of this wouldn’t have happend if we had a capable charr in command. You should have voted Gnashblade, he kept things going! Who was this Elen Kiel anyway!? A Lionguard!? She had nothing to do with inner city politics!
Gnashblade on the other hand was a merchant, he knew how to make money and keep things running!
I want all of you to think about this during the next election: “who was in command, when lions arch went to hell and back?”
GNASHBLADE NOW!!!

Shiren.9532:

Her and Magnus are the most senior members of the Lionguard. Even without aid from the Council they should have been more prepared than they were. Sometimes leadership means making big decisions. Kiel could have used her authority as a senior member of the Lionguard to begin a precautionary evacuation of the city without support from the Captain’s Council.

I get Magnus is a senior member of the Lionguard, but not Kiel. She is the most recent entry in the council and pretty young. Also I do not recall any LA councillor having more autority than the other, it seems all pretty equal.

eduardo.1436:

Call me impatient buuuuuut when does the next bit of dialogue begin? Is LA going to be relevant to HoT? are we going to have a “spin off” living world where we focus on the reconstruction of LA while helping Hero-Tron with its spying biz and potentially get adopted by Evon and change our names to Gnashy Jr. while we wait for the xpac? or is it going to be S3 of the living world? Talk to me! XD

I wish we could get spin-off Living World content, there’s a lot of lore that isn’t being addressed and has been hanging for the last two years. But I doubt it, or at least I doubt ANet would do concurrent Living World arcs.

MatthewMedina.5419:

Call it red tape. Kiel is doing her darndest to devote spending to infrastructure, but the Captain’s Council keep talking in circles about defense spending and tax reform.

Well, defense spending would be seriously an improvement.
The city should have put up a lot more after Zaithan, the Karka and the Aetherblades.

They should be aware on how vulnerable the city is and there is still no water or air defenses.

They also have lots of trouble to get that one waypoint working again in LA.

The workers need more supervision. Many can be seen working on the same spot over and over, 24/7. I’m all for pride in workmanship, but laying a paving stone to 1 mm tolerance seems excessive.

They need to build.“new” LA like LA in GW1. That city is only beaten by presearing Ascalon.

But I would like to see a bit more progress on this. The place has been a mess of too long now.

I would just like to add :

If you had read Sea of Sorrows you would understand how hard it is to get stuff done in LA, the Captians Counsel is devided and stingy at the best of times and I am sure it is MORE so after Cobiah Marriner’s death(much later by now, I know, but he is the only truly “good” commodore to have been a strong advocate of growth and the rights of the people in the city that we can compare with).

They still need to vote on pretty much every penny spent.

Novuake.2691:

I would just like to add :

If you had read Sea of Sorrows you would understand how hard it is to get stuff done in LA, the Captians Counsel is devided and stingy at the best of times and I am sure it is MORE so after Cobiah Marriner’s death(much later by now, I know, but he is the only truly “good” commodore to have been a strong advocate of growth and the rights of the people in the city that we can compare with).

They still need to vote on pretty much every penny spent.

That was then. It has been over a year now? In that time not.much has been done. I’m sure the people who live there would have done a lot more in that time of there own back.

BrotherBelial.3094:

That was then. It has been over a year now? In that time not.much has been done. I’m sure the people who live there would have done a lot more in that time of there own back.

Not quite sure what timeframe has passed in in-game time.
You should have seen New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina(i think its that one, lol).

Was a lot more than a year before the place looked like a city again.

BrotherBelial.3094:

That was then. It has been over a year now? In that time not.much has been done. I’m sure the people who live there would have done a lot more in that time of there own back.

What sort of population would LA have? I’d imagine primarily traders who would have been more than capable of plying their trade in a place far less ruinous. What I mean is, how many people would just hang around LA after the invasion.

CureForLiving.5360:

BrotherBelial.3094:

That was then. It has been over a year now? In that time not.much has been done. I’m sure the people who live there would have done a lot more in that time of there own back.

What sort of population would LA have? I’d imagine primarily traders who would have been more than capable of plying their trade in a place far less ruinous. What I mean is, how many people would just hang around LA after the invasion.

Before the invasion there where plenty of people there. You would be surprised at how many people would return, home is home after all. And if Tyria is anything like the real world, people would come from all around to help rebuild. Is that what the zepherites where up to before session two? What happened to all the coin Divinity’s Reach and the zepherites raised?

Okay. If it was my city, I would take care of all this garbage before you could say, " oh, no, lions arch is RUINED!!!" I overheard one of the lionguard say that they don’t have enough workers. It’s true, you see very few working, maybe a little sweaty hero here and there. If Magnus wants jobs for the citizens, they should help rebuild. Just don’t remove that huge shard U can stand on its so fun XD and yes, I feel Evon should have been elected, but I played AFTER cutthroat politics. Renovation will come slowly. That’s a big city, and what, 10 workers? No. Not on my watch. Also, we should persuade the nearby Tengu to help. LA is on the border of DoW. I wouldn’t be surprised if a shard of the Breachmaker landed in those huge walls. FORGET MAGGUMA, WE HAVE LA TO ATTEND TO. THINK OF TEH PPL. thanks forum for lettin me get involved

Kossage.9072:

However, it seems this might not come to pass if this foreboding conversation is anything to go by about people’s unrest and losing trust on the council to get anything done…

There’s more to the dialogue. It looks like Hero-Tron has been hired to lead a New Deal WPA kind of thing to engage refugees in rebuilding the city.

Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: So, if you’re going to be my aide, I have to ask. What exactly do you…do?
Hero-Tron: This—unit—is—programmed—with—a—variety—of—skills—ranging—from—
Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: Look, we’re going to have a lot of people coming back without homes or jobs.
Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: No jobs mean lots of idle hands. I can handle a little crime. This city was founded on it. But riots? They’ll end everything.
Captain Magnus the Bloody-Handed: Can you help people get back to work?
Hero-Tron: I—can—do—that.

…Here’s to hoping that when the inevitable kitten hits the fan (whether through riots or something else like Consortium shenanigans), Evon Gnashblade, Hero of Lion’s Arch, will be ready to save the city he considers his and our home. He’s not the hero LA deserves but the hero it needs in this time of crisis, and his new, profitable alliance with Hero-Tron will ensure a bright future for us all. Go, Team Gnashblade! ^^

Hero? Wasn’t he essentially strong-armed into using BLTC resources to aid the city?

And continuing with the aforementioned dialogue, it looks like he’s up to something fishy. He’s blackmailing the Hero-Tron into being his informant.

Fix forum bug.

/10charr

How long have these guys been around for? (see screenshot)