Passing the torch: from dwarves to sylvari
… free a champion of Dragon Corruption…
Glint was given free will. We don’t know that it had any other effects. Glint was after all, a dragon, so we don’t know what an uncorrupted dragon would be, if that even means anything. The forgotten ritual may not reverse any of the other (physical) changes to other minions.
I’m not so sure it gave her free will but I think it gave her empathy. She goes on to remark about how she could feel their pain after killing them and given that Champions do actually contain some degree of free will, the ability to sympathize with her victims could have persuaded her motives enough to get her to separate herself from Kral.
An immunity that is feeble to Mordremoth, not the other dragons. That’s where you’re taking a HUGE leap of speculation.
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It actually is clear but not in the way you assume. Because she relates Mordremoth’s affect on her children by using the example of Zhaitan with the Risen, where no Risen Sylvari has ever existed.
It seems obvious that discussing this further will get us nowhere. If you wish to twist her words to fit your desires of the sylvari=Mordremoth’s minions “theory” (of which, it really isn’t and is being more and more disproven as we go along, while the Nightmare=Mordremoth’s corruption is gaining more and more support), then so be it. If you want to call my direct quoting of what the Pale Tree says as “a huge leap of speculation” then fine.
It’s obvious that our interpretations of the same wordings are so vastly dissimilar that until ArenaNet decides to chime in, there will be no agreement.
Again, I propose what significance does a Sylvari dying before corruption takes hold have? The answer is simple, they can’t be corrupted by any other than Mordremoth which she so clearly illustrates.
Because, as she so clearly illustrates, she’s preventing that corruption from taking hold.
… free a champion of Dragon Corruption…
Glint was given free will. We don’t know that it had any other effects. Glint was after all, a dragon, so we don’t know what an uncorrupted dragon would be, if that even means anything. The forgotten ritual may not reverse any of the other (physical) changes to other minions.
I’m not so sure it gave her free will but I think it gave her empathy. She goes on to remark about how she could feel their pain after killing them and given that Champions do actually contain some degree of free will, the ability to sympathize with her victims could have persuaded her motives enough to get her to separate herself from Kral.
Warden Illyra: Glint remained in crystalline form, but she regained her free will and identity.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Ruined_City_of_Arah_%28explorable%29#Forgotten
Champions retain a degree of self-choice, but they don’t have free will. They cannot deny their master. They can only chose how to best go about serving their master, their dragon. But everything they do, even if there is risk to it, will in the end serve their dragon.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
I find the use of the word "regained" interesting.
If it was intentional, it implies that Glint was corrupted, rather than born a minion. Makes me wonder what "species" the draconic champions are from, and if other champions, like the Claw, or Tequatl share similar ancestry.
That’s one a few hints to a race of dragons in the past, in my opinion.
The existence of Bone Dragons in GW1, Glint having “regained” free will and possibly have been a pregnant dragon champion (dragon minions do not reproduce, they can only give birth if they were pregnant before being corrupted), the existence of the dragons in Cantha…
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
I find the use of the word “regained” interesting.
If it was intentional, it implies that Glint was corrupted, rather than born a minion. Makes me wonder what “species” the draconic champions are from, and if other champions, like the Claw, or Tequatl share similar ancestry.
The german GW wiki says that Glint was created by the gods to be a guardian for Tyria. It is said that she was being corrupted, not created by Kralkatorrik.
The original GW1 lore was that she was the first creature made by the Six Gods (as a guardian of Tyria). In an interview before Edge of Destiny with Jeff Grubb, he said that all we knew of Glint came from Glint herself, and she had her reasons for saying what she did. In other words, the original lore that she was made by the Six Gods is a lie. As Arah explorable explains, Glint’s existence predates the Six Gods’ arrival on Tyria – as does her being put through the Forgotten’s ritual.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
@Konig: I’m inclined to think that the Pale Tree’s protection is (or was…) stronger than that, in fact. Keep in mind that the Soundless still retain some connection to the Dream, they’re just able to filter it out. The Pale Tree could be saying that even when this connection is weakened by Soundless meditations it’s still enough to protect against most dragons, but the Soundless offer enough of a kitten in their mental armour for Mordremoth to get through.
As for why Mordremoth is stronger against sylvari – I don’t think there needs to be any conspiracy-theory explanation as to why the PLANT elder dragon that corrupts PLANTS and has PLANT minions and spreads through the ley line network via PLANTS might find it easier to corrupt PLANTS than other dragons, including sapient PLANTS who have a form of protection that is extended to them by a large sapient PLANT.
It’s just that Mordremoth knows how plants work better than the other dragons, purely because it’s speciality.
Seriously, it’s like claiming that all ice elementals are, or “should be”, minions of Jormag. But I’m betting Jormag finds it easier to corrupt ice elementals than the other dragons, and that if hypothetically someone was to grant ice elementals some form of protection against corruption, Jormag would find it easier to get around than, say, Primordus.
… free a champion of Dragon Corruption…
Glint was given free will. We don’t know that it had any other effects. Glint was after all, a dragon, so we don’t know what an uncorrupted dragon would be, if that even means anything. The forgotten ritual may not reverse any of the other (physical) changes to other minions.
In fact, the same path states that she retained her crystalline form – suggesting that her physical form was the result of corruption, and that explicitly didn’t change.
It’s not perfectly laid out (if only we could read that forgotten tome directly rather than being filtered through the Warden) but it implies to me that Glint was physically changed by corruption, and those changes were not undone by the ritual.
To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.