Guild Wars 2

It’s pretty much assumed the Six Gods are either human or an unknown human-looking race. But, what if they weren’t neither human nor human-looking at all? What if they weren’t even from the same races?

Let’s analyze each god:

• Abaddon: Water and secrets. Six eyes.
• Balthazar: Fire and war (+ challenge). Wolf pets. Sword.
• Dhuum: Ice and death (+ darkness). Necromancer.
• Dwayna: Air and life (+ healing). Wings.
• Lyssa: Illusion and beauty (+ water). Mesmer.
• Melandru: Earth and nature (+ growth). Wings, tree shape. Bow.

Important to note, too:

• The last time the dragons rose, the 5 main races were: Dwarves, forgotten, jotun, mursaat and seers.
• The gods favored the giant races, but abandoned them (jotun downfall is related to this abandonment).
• Vizier Khilbron, worshipper of Abaddon, hates the mursaat. Could this mean Abaddon hates the mursaat, too?
• Seers forged the original bloodstone, which Abaddon used to release magic back to the world.
• The forgotten worship the Six Gods.
• The quaggan worship Melandru, naming her Melaggan.

Now for a moment, let’s imagine the depictions of the gods are altered by their human worship, be it humans adapting them or the gods changing their appearance to suit their new followers.

For example, Abaddon is sometimes depicted as insectoid. The seers have a slight insectoid look, too. Both share the hatred for the mursaat, and the relationship to the bloodstone.

Dwayna and Melandru’s wings could be an interpretation of largos wings, tengu feathers or forgotten arm-membrane. Balthazar has a jotun vibe, too, specially the relationship with his family, brothers and fathers killing each other, just like the beginning of the jotun downfall.

Lyssa is said to want to live between humans. She could have a deeper relationship with them, maybe sharing some racial links, too (though her being the godess of illusion makes her the most inconclusive to analyze).

It’s also worth noting how there seems to be a connection between the Elder Dragons and the Six Gods, regarding their abilities:

• Abaddon – Bubbles
• Balthazar – Primordus
• Dhuum – Jormag
• Dwayna – Zhaitan
• Lyssa – Kralkatorrik/Mordremoth
• Melandru – Mordremoth/Kralkatorrik

This could lead to further assumptions, depending on how each race was affected by the dragons during their last invasion. The relationship between the forgotten and Glint is an obvious point here. Lyssa got domain over water after Abaddon was defeated, which could be related to the war between forgotten and margonites, servants of Abaddon, which lead to the forgotten watching over Abaddon.

But in the end, there’s a even deeper theory I’ve had since some time ago: What if the last time the dragons rose, they were defeated by sealing specific powers into mortal beings? Remember that when Abaddon is defeated, his magic seems to go out of control, and it needs to be contained by someone.

So, summarized, what could be the races of the Six Gods, and what, if any, could be their relationship to the Elder Dragons and the races that fought them the last time they rose?

I’ll let someone else address the dragon/god matchup. As for your “important to note” section… it’s likely that Khilbron’s antagonism towards the mursaat is tied to his being the Flameseeker, and thereby having to go through the mursaat to achieve his destiny. I don’t think Abaddon factors into it. Further, the assertion that that the gods once favored the giants comes from a very likely flawed or misguided source. That story, if indeed there is even a nugget of truth to it, would have to have been passed down orally for nearly two millennium, through a culture in a worse state than our own world’s dark ages, and even more kitten ing, it almost certainly conflicts with records kept by a culture that need not rely on oral tradition, and is therefore infinitely more likely to be accurate- and even those histories had some pretty major flaws.

Lonami.2987:

It’s also worth noting how there seems to be a connection between the Elder Dragons and the Six Gods

This has been discussed countless times

The theory is flawed.

Malchor disagrees.

Some notes on seriousness (in order):

• Abaddon didn’t always have six eyes. It was originally just a mask with six eye slots, but when his body was destroyed and regrown in GW1, he regrew a body more nightmarish and with six eyes.
• Dhuum is only ever called the god of death. He holds no relation to darkness or ice. Furthermore, Grenth held ties to ice before his Ascension. This was not passed down. Also, he wouldn’t really be tied to “necromancers” since he forebade the main thing necromancers did – make undead.
• Melandru doesn’t wield a bow. That’s just avatar concept art.
• Calling Lyssa Mesmer but not relating professions to other gods (sans Dhuum) is… flawed, IMO. The gods are not really tied to professions, per se, but rather they are tied to specific kinds and philosophies of magic.
• Abaddon isn’t depicted as insectoid, really. That was just his regrown body.
• The Seers do not have an insectoid appearance either… there’s really nothing insect-like about them. They clearly don’t have an exoskeleton.
• Abaddon has shown no hatred of mursaat. Khilbron did, however, possibly. However, it should be noted that the conflict between mursaat and Abaddon’s forces come from the Flameseeker Prophecies – they foretold the genocide of the mursaat, the mursaat fought back, with or without realizing this meant confronting Abaddon as Glint foretold it would be the titans’ release to destroy the mursaat.
• Largos is the only possibility I see there, as I theorized as much given the statue of Dwayna at the temple of Dwayna in Orr was originally to be a Risen Largos model. I cannot see Malchor as believing a Forgotten or tengu to be a beautiful woman.
• Balthazar is not from Tyria (world or continent)… Jotun are. And older than the Six at that so unlike the largos cannot be argued to have come with humanity.
• As said, the “theory” that the ED and gods hold ties has been discussed to death. Cue dead horse beating gif. As also said, it has been utterly and fully debunks.
  • There is no Elder Dragon for Dwayna.
  • There is no Elder Dragon for Lyssa – no, Kralkatorrik does not count.
  • Water goes from Abaddon to Lyssa – it is not tied to Abaddon/Kormir’s godhood.
  • Ice is with Grenth only, not to Dhuum – it is not tied to Dhuum/Grenth’s godhood.
  • If Grenth is tied to Jormag, then Zhaitan has no god; vice versa applies.
  • There is no god for Kralkatorrik – he is crystal and elements, the former there is no god for, the latter is shared across the gods.
  • Lastly for the “general ties” between the two groups – The Six Gods’ ‘domains’ of power has been interchanged or altered between the games. Those which haven’t are what the norn call them by – War, Knowledge, Life, Death, Nature, and… Lyssa’s not clear. Unlike the Elder Dragons, the Six Gods’ ties to nature is superficial by all that we see. They’re not really an important aspect of the Six Gods.
• Technically, Lyssa taking over water from Abaddon happened after his death – post Nightfall. I cannot see that as being tied to the Forgo-Margo War. Also, her taking over water is outright disproving your ED-SG comparison you earlier made.
• As to the Six Gods being the ELder Dragons’ power sealed into mortals. Nope. Debunked. Dwayna, Melandru, and Balthazar are not native to the world. At all. They come from the same place humanity came from. After the Elder Dragons fell asleep, and they arrived as gods. The other three gods’ origins are still wrapped in mystery though.
  • This is also debunked by the fact that Zhaitan’s defeat does not result in his magic going chaotic. The Six Gods’ divinity and the Elder Dragons’ absorbed magic are fundamentally different. The former is outright stated to be indestructible.
• The Six Gods – with possible exception of Dwayna, Melandru, and Grenth – in regards to the current pantheon (and possibly Dhuum/Abaddon) are most likely humans. Formerly, that is. I’ve theorized that Dwayna and Melandru to be largos – for Dwayna, given the wings and blue skin, and Melandru being tied to Mellaggan, an underwater goddess of the quaggans (and lets not forget the Scions being important to Largos culture for unknown reasons, and Season of the Scion is tied to Melandru in continental Tyria).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

• Largos is the only possibility I see there, as I theorized as much given the statue of Dwayna at the temple of Dwayna in Orr was originally to be a Risen Largos model. I cannot see Malchor as believing a Forgotten or tengu to be a beautiful woman.

I’d like to add: Risen Priestess of Dwayna looks like a Largos but you mention on another thread that the “model seems to have been scrapped as a largos.” Models confuse such as Risen Priest of Balthazar and Risen Priest of Melandru who look like Jotuns. Maybe The Gods favored the giant races and anointed some of them as priests? I don’t know, help me here!

I would hardly call the Priest of Balthazar or Priest of Me.landru as looking like Jotun. If you’re talking about their height – that’s just a mechanical thing to see the enemies in large crowds with a lot of skill animations.

Also, those priests are all Orrians, from the age of the Cataclysm. They’re not ancient or from the time of the gods – the Grenth priest is explicitly stated to be the last .priest of the temple alive before the Cataclysm.