Guild Wars 2

A recent topic brought these thoughts to mind…

Essentially Scarlet was an innocent soul who was corrupted and destroyed in the end. I would like to have a story added to save her, and some of the other innocents, from these fates.

Below is a modified quote from another thread that explains more about the thought process behind it…

“If you want to get into how Anet storytellers handled these types of issues, we need not look farther than Scarlet…

“Ceara emerged from the Dream of Dreams in 1304 AE in the Cycle of Noon with an innate fascination with the interlocking systems of nature, and a determination to forge her own path independent from the Mother Tree. When the rules of the world prescribed her one destiny, she would simply change the rules rather than struggle against them. After her birth, Ceara began experiencing terrors nightly, and the menders were unable to help her. In her journal, she writes of a sea of darkness, and an “entity” that calls to her in her nightmares. She became too scared to even sleep, and spoke of whispers coming from the forest, taunting and possessing her, and one day, after succumbing to sleep, witnessed the entity directly. It communicated images of “death, destruction, and destiny” to her, but despite this, Ceara gained a new fearlessness and deigned to learn more, to confront this entity and put an end to the madness."

So instead of the players given the option to save her from her possession and corruption, she was designed to be hated and treated as a vile and evil being, then destroyed.

Scarlet wanted to have freewill and to forge her own destiny, not to be controlled and suppressed.

She was experiencing nightmares created by an entity who wanted to use her.

The menders couldn’t help her.

Scarlet sets out to save herself.

Scarlet loses control and the players destroy an innocent soul hurt by evil, not saved and healed.

Scarlet was looking for love and support and help, but we were only given the option to destroy her instead. The story didn’t give us the choice to capture her, destroy Mordy and then save her or the others."

I think Anet could do this story justice by giving players a chance to be true heroes and start saving some innocent lives. There is room in lore to bring things back from the dead.

Edit thanks to Jafw…

I should have specified sorry.

I’m not asking to retcon the original story, my feelings were to go forward with an intertwining story instead.

*Edited for clarity…

We should pick someone else other than the walking meme. >.>

You want them to stop working on the next expansion and go back and rewrite and rerun that story line so we can now have an alternate ending?

Yeah. Not going to happen.

I would have loved to see more of the internal Ceara struggle against Mord corruption, instead of only little hints along the too cartoonish Scarlet’s external evilness.

But that story is already done, and shouldn’t be rewritten just because we wish our commanders could have done better. The fact is our character failed to see the whole picture, leading everyone to tragedy. And that is good: failure is fundamental to create good stories.

Instead of hoping for retconing, I thing we should ask Anet to give LS3 an improved plotline and much more character development for every PC and NPC involved.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You want them to stop working on the next expansion and go back and rewrite and rerun that story line so we can now have an alternate ending?

Yeah. Not going to happen.

I should have specified sorry.

No, we can go forward with an intertwining story instead. There are possibilities.

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You want them to stop working on the next expansion and go back and rewrite and rerun that story line so we can now have an alternate ending?

Yeah. Not going to happen.

I should have specified sorry.

No, we can go forward with an intertwining story instead. There are possibilities.

Then I’m not understanding you. You want to keep the old story related to Mordremoth and with the new expansion about killing the next dragon you want to interweave a story from the Mordremoth story line where the ending is changed?

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You want them to stop working on the next expansion and go back and rewrite and rerun that story line so we can now have an alternate ending?

Yeah. Not going to happen.

I should have specified sorry.

No, we can go forward with an intertwining story instead. There are possibilities.

Then I’m not understanding you. You want to keep the old story related to Mordremoth and with the new expansion about killing the next dragon you want to interweave a story from the Mordremoth story line where the ending is changed?

Well, I used the words “go forward”.

I have not formed any specific story in my mind, but I’m sure there are logical ways and means for our characters to bring back some important NPC characters.

What’s done is done for now, but there could be a future of possibilities and storytelling.

Ya know stuff like.. saved from the afterlife, resurrection, rebirth, all sorts of creative stuff…

Umm.. She dies, flat out 100% dies.
We even kill an elder dragon after she dies.
We cannot go forward saying she is alive, after the PC and all of DE2.0 sees her die.

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You want them to stop working on the next expansion and go back and rewrite and rerun that story line so we can now have an alternate ending?

Yeah. Not going to happen.

I should have specified sorry.

No, we can go forward with an intertwining story instead. There are possibilities.

Then I’m not understanding you. You want to keep the old story related to Mordremoth and with the new expansion about killing the next dragon you want to interweave a story from the Mordremoth story line where the ending is changed?

Well, I used the words “go forward”.

I have not formed any specific story in my mind, but I’m sure there are logical ways and means for our characters to bring back some important NPC characters.

What’s done is done for now, but there could be a future of possibilities and storytelling.

There’s only 3 places where this story can be rewritten and redone.

1) Before the next expansion (they drop what they’re doing and rewrite a story that’s already been told and finished).
2) during the next expansion about killing the next dragon the Devs (randomly as far as the players will be able to tell) throw in a rework of a story from the previous expansion where instead of continuing the story of killing the next dragon we detour to rewrite lore and save someone who is long dead and gone (and wouldn’t that be majorly confusing to most players?)
3) after the next expansion is over, we get a story to rewrite the lore and save someone from the first expansion (again randomly thrown in as far as the players are concerned).

Or….. we could accept the story line as it is. About people who did the best they could with the information they had at that time. (Sort of like life where you don’t get to rewrite your past because you have 20/20 hindsight).

Riku.4821:

Umm.. She dies, flat out 100% dies.
We even kill an elder dragon after she dies.
We cannot go forward saying she is alive, after the PC and all of DE2.0 sees her die.

Do you know of any fictional stories where a character has died and another character brings them back to life?

She was also sentient flora… We can’t regrow her in the realm of thousands of possibilities and magic? We can’t go on a quest to plant a “Ceara” seed and have her grow into a tree of life that spawns completely free willed Sylvari, like her inner calling was?

Use some creativity peeps

Swagger.1459:

Riku.4821:

Umm.. She dies, flat out 100% dies.
We even kill an elder dragon after she dies.
We cannot go forward saying she is alive, after the PC and all of DE2.0 sees her die.

Do you know of any fictional stories where a character has died and another character brings them back to life?

She was also sentient flora… We can’t regrow her in the realm of thousands of possibilities and magic? We can’t go on a quest to plant a “Scarlet” seed and have her grow into a tree of life that spawns completely free willed Sylvari, like her inner calling was?

Use some creativity peeps

She’s mulch now. Let her fertilize the ground she’s lying on instead of digging around in her remains looking for something that’s still living to replant and regrow.

Unless you’re arguing that identical twins are the same person, anything you grow from her won’t be Scarlet. It will be her child.

Rewriting the past… I wish I could do that after an exam.

Imo the only thing ANet could do is to have our characters acknowledge that Scarlet wasn’t all evil, but that’s that. Let’s be realistic: No one is going to rewrite a past living story chapter to spin things around and make Scarlet survive. And no one is going to claim that she actually survived what we did to her. As for resurrection theories: Why would we revive Scarlet? If such a thing was possible in GW2 I’d resurrect other characters first.

The important thing is to design the future, not change the past. Though we could give an interesting spin to Scarlet’s afterstory by making our characters realise that she wasn’t all evil, but putting us in a position where we still have to publicly blame the whole mordremoth desaster on her. The story could be that we’d like to clean her name, but plundering in Lions Arch has reached an alltime high. A little spark, like the Archnemesis of the LA attacks not being as evil as portraied by the Captain’s Council, could cause a rebellion plunging the city into chaos once again.

What purpose other than showing that she’s not pure evil would her being resurrected server?

Characters on stories should not be resurrected lightly as it cheapens the death and makes players not worry about character death as they’ll just be resurrected later on if done too much or too lightly.

IMO, Scarlet can be redeemed without being brought back to life.

Scarlet coming back from the dead really would be the perfect cherry cap on the Mary Sue sundae that was her entire existence.

Seera.5916:

What purpose other than showing that she’s not pure evil would her being resurrected server?

Characters on stories should not be resurrected lightly as it cheapens the death and makes players not worry about character death as they’ll just be resurrected later on if done too much or too lightly.

IMO, Scarlet can be redeemed without being brought back to life.

I agree, one of the many reasons I left WoW was because of the hero-turns-villain becomes a dungeon boss, players kill him but he comes back as a raid boss became an unending cycle. Let some dead characters stay dead already.

Scarlet was saved but not saved in the way that she was brought back to life but rather her soul

Rytlock saved Scarlet’s soul during his journeys in the Mists ,Scarlet spoke of the Future to him wich is why he refuses to tell anyone anything about his journeys in the mists as changing events such as saving certain norn and tree , could lead to Tyria’s doom :v

Tapioca.9062:

Scarlet coming back from the dead really would be the perfect cherry cap on the Mary Sue sundae that was her entire existence.

Might as well, the entire story was written by taking the worst comic book tropes and throwing them into a blender. They could retcon it by pulling the “I didn’t really die, my arch-nemesis captured me and held me prisoner in the Phantom Zone while replacing me with an evil clone” storyline.

The only decent way to retcon the story would be to have the PC wake up and realize everything that happened since the introduction of Living Story was a dream, and reset the game world to the way it was at launch.

Most of the “saving greys” in Scarlet’s story were put in after Season 1, when she was already dead. We’ve had our retcon, Season 2 and HoT was it.

Now, with THAT said, we can very well continue on with this. Maybe we’ll find more things she left behind. Maybe there were moments when Ceara emerged, and was able to do things that Scarlet didn’t remember. We could find messages and warnings left for anyone else to find, possibly too late to heed the warnings they carry. This could keep Scarlet as the mad villain, and introduce Ceara back in as a tragic character.

But… and this is important… Ceara was NOT a good person. She pretty much rejected everyone around her instantly, and never even tried to find out what path had been intended for her. That path could have very well been what she needed to save herself. Instead, she decided she would walk whatever path she wanted, and to Hades with everyone else. Nobody helped her because she never asked for help, or let them know what was wrong. Had they known and tried to help, it’s likely she would have shunned them.

Yes, her lot in life wasn’t fair, but she never gave anyone a chance to save her.

Scarlet was a horrid mess of a character. She broke the lore in every sense of the word, with every interaction she had. Her timeline is a mess because ArenaNet’s writers couldn’t settle on how OP they wanted her to be and had to backtrack when they realized they went too far.

She’s dead and resurrection is gone. As far as we know, sylvari don’t even have souls. The only way she could have returned would have been the same method that the mordrem commanders had but thank god they didn’t bring her back in HoT. Would have been cheesier than Trahearne’s death.

Let rotted dog lie.

There are quite a few people who are quite glad that Scarlet is no longer and never again will be the focus of the storyline. While it could be interesting to come across more relics from her if they’re relevant to future storylines, putting the focus back on her will probably make people spew.

Even Taimi has probably moved on – she hasn’t hero-worshipped Scarlet for a while, and she has all the Rata Novus data now.

Ceara might have been tragic, but she was never good. She was borderline if not sociopathic all along and showed no consideration for others or for society, and it’s worth noting that she worked with the Inquest before her encounter with Omadd’s machine. As Palador said, it’s very possible that the Dream had recognised the risk to Ceara and prepared a path for her that would avoid it – but it was her own choices (including the determination to make her own at every step, with no regard for others) that lead her to lose the very freedom she sought even within the confines of her own mind.

Even without Mordremoth’s influence, it’s entirely likely that Ceara would have found her own way to becoming a villain – perhaps not quite so impactful (more along the lines of Kudu performing morally reprehensible research than waking up an elder dragon), but that was the direction she was going.

If a means for resurrecting the dead does return, I’m sure the PC could find far more deserving subjects for it. Even if that means is limited just to sylvari.

draxynnic.3719:

Even without Mordremoth’s influence, it’s entirely likely that Ceara would have found her own way to becoming a villain – perhaps not quite so impactful (more along the lines of Kudu performing morally reprehensible research than waking up an elder dragon), but that was the direction she was going.

I could have probably seen Ceara becoming a begrudging ally if she wasn’t corrupted/influenced by Mordy. Because even while she has the morally dubious nature like the Inquest, she doesn’t really have the resources to be able to expand her research like they do. Allying with the Pact would have opened up a lot of connections for her to use, since they would supply the resources for her to conduct experiments and it would put her in touch with experts in their field from all over Tyria.

She would have filled that “mad scientist the good guys employ because the bad guys are just that bad” spot.

Erukk.1408:

she doesn’t really have the resources to be able to expand her research like they do.

Tell that to the Molten Alliance, Steam creatures, Toxic Alliance, and Aetherblades.

She broke the lore where she couldn’t normally get resources, in order to get resources. Nothing was out of her reach.

If she needed, she would have imprisoned all six gods and dhuum and menzies to power her reality-altering device that makes everyone a Scarlet Briar copy.

Erukk.1408:

Allying with the Pact would have opened up a lot of connections for her to use, since they would supply the resources for her to conduct experiments and it would put her in touch with experts in their field from all over Tyria.

Why ally with the Pact when she had just stolen their most advanced technologies (read: airships and combat holograms)?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Tell that to the Molten Alliance, Steam creatures, Toxic Alliance, and Aetherblades.

She broke the lore where she couldn’t normally get resources, in order to get resources. Nothing was out of her reach.

I’m strictly talking about Ceara before her contact with Mordremoth and not Scarlet’s lore breaking story afterwards. She only started to make those alliances to more easily gather and create resources after she came into contact with Mordremoth, and he started to push and shape her actions increasingly over time.

If she never came into contact with him, Ceara would probably still be a wandering academic genius with sociopathic tendencies and horrible social skills.

There’s a valid point there. In hindsight, in fact, it could be only through Mordremoth’s influence that Scarlet got the charisma to pull that off in the first place. The Ceara we saw was no charmer, snake-tongued or otherwise, but if Mordremoth infused her with some of its powers over the mind, then that could explain it. (While Mordremoth mostly focused on sylvari because they were easier targets, that doesn’t bar it from being able to grant Scarlet some form of hypnotism that allowed her to form those unlikely alliances.)

I wouldn’t go as far as save her, but put her legacy in a bit better.

Like a priory room where all findings are collected and examined and some NPC is telling us what they deduced.

While many claim Scarlet’s story is over, there is still one thing that isn’t confirmed for sure: * who was in her head?*

The only person who confirmed that it was indeed Mordremoth is unfortunately not a reliable source and currently out of the picture. The pale tree.

While it certainly was that way, they can still use that angle later on to go ask Abaddon on us and reveal someone else’s plan.

However that is unlikely.

As far as I remember, we still haven’t received a proper explanation for Scarlet’s cryptic line “Caithe, someday you’ll see, Tyria needs me”. One way of resolving that, and somewhat salvaging the legacy Scarlet left behind, would be to address the one plot hook that was never properly tied up: the fate of the batch of steam creatures which Scarlet sent to Brisban Wildlands. As I discussed in depth in another thread, this could lead to us discovering a potentially benevolent/morally grey steam creature faction which have evolved more peacefully unlike their more aggressive Lornar brethren. They could have some useful information Scarlet, their maker, stored in their Steam Brain’s databanks that could help us in our struggle against the Elder Dragons, thus making Scarlet’s prophetic line to Caithe come true in a roundabout way. Plus it would give us a chance to see a mecha-Scarlet of sorts (a steam creature avatar voiced by Tara Strong since the devs loved working with her) if this other steam creature community’s leader modeled itself after their “machine mother”.

It would be incredibly cool fighting alongside steam creature allies against the dragons and their minions as they can’t be corrupted by dragons due to the way they’re built, can withstand quite a beating thanks to their armor, and are known to be quite strategic as they become more intelligent and adapt over time (as we learn e.g. in Scarlet’s holo diary).

Kossage.9072:

It would be incredibly cool fighting alongside steam creature allies against the dragons and their minions as they can’t be corrupted by dragons due to the way they’re built, can withstand quite a beating thanks to their armor, and are known to be quite strategic as they become more intelligent and adapt over time (as we learn e.g. in Scarlet’s holo diary).

Their ultimate leader, a giant Steam Brain, could also use a hologram of Ceara to communicate with outsiders. I could see it.

It is also equally possible that Mordremoth had just so coerced her that she thought her actions in waking Mordremoth were in the best interests of Tyria. Mordremoth is “the world” in his mind after all.

Erukk.1408:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Tell that to the Molten Alliance, Steam creatures, Toxic Alliance, and Aetherblades.

She broke the lore where she couldn’t normally get resources, in order to get resources. Nothing was out of her reach.

I’m strictly talking about Ceara before her contact with Mordremoth and not Scarlet’s lore breaking story afterwards. She only started to make those alliances to more easily gather and create resources after she came into contact with Mordremoth, and he started to push and shape her actions increasingly over time.

If she never came into contact with him, Ceara would probably still be a wandering academic genius with sociopathic tendencies and horrible social skills.

You should check that Season 2 instance again, with her holo recordings.

She created the steam creatures, via “black market dredge” dealings, before undergoing Omadd’s machine.

She also trained under charr, norn, asura, and hylek before that moment too, in lore-breaking Mary Sue manners. Per the short story.

draxynnic.3719:

There’s a valid point there. In hindsight, in fact, it could be only through Mordremoth’s influence that Scarlet got the charisma to pull that off in the first place. The Ceara we saw was no charmer, snake-tongued or otherwise, but if Mordremoth infused her with some of its powers over the mind, then that could explain it. (While Mordremoth mostly focused on sylvari because they were easier targets, that doesn’t bar it from being able to grant Scarlet some form of hypnotism that allowed her to form those unlikely alliances.)

I’m sorry, but convincing an old hostile sniper to teach her weaponry isn’t “charmer, snake-tongued or otherwise”? Convincing the Arcane Council to let her take advanced asura college classes isn’t such either?

Half of her lore breaking and pretty much 85% of her Mary Sue-ness came from her background – before entering Omadd’s machine.

Kossage.9072:

As far as I remember, we still haven’t received a proper explanation for Scarlet’s cryptic line “Caithe, someday you’ll see, Tyria needs me”.

Given Mordremoth’s mentality, he seems to see himself as necessary for Tyria’s survival. Sees himself as Tyria, to some degree even. This could easily transfer to Scarlet just as it transferred to Faolain.

“Tyria needs me” could be the brainwashed interpretation of “Mordremoth needs me”.

She was far too unpopular to be revived. I’d be less surprised to see Zhaitan or even Abbadon make a return.

Wanderer.3248:

She was far too unpopular to be revived. I’d be less surprised to see Zhaitan or even Abbadon make a return.

Yes, she wasn’t popular.
Doesn’t mean she created holes.
Even if she is about to get pushed under the rug, it would be nice to have the devs at least clean up behind her, by clearing up everything that isn’t clear.

I mean, thanks to her we “lost” the mystery of the steam creatures and the alternate future storyline.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

You should check that Season 2 instance again, with her holo recordings.

She created the steam creatures, via “black market dredge” dealings, before undergoing Omadd’s machine.

She also trained under charr, norn, asura, and hylek before that moment too, in lore-breaking Mary Sue manners. Per the short story.

I’m not sure how her previous dealings with the Dredge before the creation of the MA is somehow lore breaking. They’re an aggressive race, but they aren’t totally without reason on matters, especially considered it was a black market deal. All she would have needed to do was find a shady Dredge willing to part with his iron if the price was right.

Mary Sue manners? Yes, but no one was arguing that. Was it lore-breaking though? Close, but I wouldn’t say totally. Beigarth and the Hylek seem to be nice enough that they would take on students if they’re eager and willing enough to learn, and she only got into the Asura colleges because Omadd wanted to study her. The only outlier is Asagai, but it wouldn’t take much to spin a story about why a lonely old gladium might want to pass on his skills before he passes.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I’m sorry, but convincing an old hostile sniper to teach her weaponry isn’t “charmer, snake-tongued or otherwise”? Convincing the Arcane Council to let her take advanced asura college classes isn’t such either?

Half of her lore breaking and pretty much 85% of her Mary Sue-ness came from her background – before entering Omadd’s machine.

Having all of them was Mary-Sue, but what we’ve seen of Ceara indicates that she had an introverted overachiever type personality. Such personalities usually don’t need a lot of classical charm to become a favoured student – ability and eagerness speaks for itself.

In Asagai’s case, Asagai didn’t turn hostile until after Ceara declared an intent to leave. It’s likely that Asagai saw Ceara as a kindred spirit – a loner with a deep interest in the workings of technological devices.

Where it got really ridiculous was the alliances she put together. The Molten Alliance makes a certain amount of sense under the circumstances (although not so much when brokered by a woman), but it was never explained how a pack of technologically advanced sky pirates were so terrified of her that they obeyed her out of fear, and having an alliance between Krait and Nightmare Court (even factions thereof) was off on multiple levels. This goes double since neither Ceara nor Scarlet showed any indications of persuasiveness while on-screen: Ceara could have got her various apprenticeships and enrolments through demonstrating what she already knew, but as a plant with the shape of a human woman, even forming the Molten Alliance would have required a skill at fast-talking that Scarlet just hasn’t shown onscreen. (On top of that, there’s no evidence that Scarlet has ever tried to form one of her alliances and failed, but again, that’s Villain Sue, not lorebreaking per se.)

If the dreaming Mordremoth was exercising mind powers through her, though, that could explain it.

Still leaves the issue of retconning steam creatures, but that’s a different issue.

Erukk.1408:

I’m not sure how her previous dealings with the Dredge before the creation of the MA is somehow lore breaking. They’re an aggressive race, but they aren’t totally without reason on matters, especially considered it was a black market deal. All she would have needed to do was find a shady Dredge willing to part with his iron if the price was right.

I said the dealings in the short story were practically lore-breaking, but she had many resources well before falling to Mordremoth.

You’re beginning to twist what I was saying.

Erukk.1408:

she only got into the Asura colleges because Omadd wanted to study her.

Something which was added after the great amounts of negative feedback.

Erukk.1408:

The only outlier is Asagai, but it wouldn’t take much to spin a story about why a lonely old gladium might want to pass on his skills before he passes.

So the bitter old isolated gladium decided to teach a foreign sylvari instead of a proper charr who would use the lessons well.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

So the bitter old isolated gladium decided to teach a foreign sylvari instead of a proper charr who would use the lessons well.

That’s assuming that A.) a charr would deign to be taught by a gladium, and B.) a charr so inclined wouldn’t have already been taught those skills in the fahrar or by the old soldiers whose purpose is to train the young’ns.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Something which was added after the great amounts of negative feedback.

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s canon on how Ceara got into the colleges though, and that’s really all that matters at the end of the day. Ceara only got into the colleges because a higher ranking asura needed a guinea pig for a grand experiment.

We get it though, Konig. You hate Scarlet’s story with a passion of a thousand burning suns. But please, stop derailing the original thread idea by making us defend the plausibility of some of the segments of Scarlet’s story. No one is arguing that it wasn’t botched with a villain sue who’s story had to be extensively added too to sound remotely possible. I’m pretty sure we’re all in agreement with that.

draxynnic.3719:

Ceara might have been tragic, but she was never good. She was borderline if not sociopathic all along and showed no consideration for others or for society, and it’s worth noting that she worked with the Inquest before her encounter with Omadd’s machine.

This is the point I was going to make. Ceara displayed sociopathic tendencies very early on in her career and continued to get worse as she got older. Even going so far as to join up with the Inquest.

Ceara may have been corrupted later on in her life, but she turned away from the Dream and refused what the Pale Tree had in mind for her all on her own. It was her choices that lead to her mind becoming susceptible to Modremoth in the first place. In fact I find it plausible that her mental illness may have been what attracted Modremoth to her in the first place. Her lack of stability could have made the opening he needed, and Omadd’s machine just threw open the doors.

An innocent victim Ceara was not.

Erukk.1408:

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s canon on how Ceara got into the colleges though, and that’s really all that matters at the end of the day. Ceara only got into the colleges because a higher ranking asura needed a guinea pig for a grand experiment.

Doesn’t change the fact that she used her “cunning charisma and snake-tongue” to do things that normally wouldn’t be possible.

Erukk.1408:

But please, stop derailing the original thread idea by making us defend the plausibility of some of the segments of Scarlet’s story.

This is a kittening laugh. You and drax brought this up so if anything, you guys derailed the topic. I’ve just been countering the OP and alternative suggestions.

So don’t blame me for the fact that you’ve been derailing the topic – if you want to go into that direction.

I’d have to take a pass on this too. Even before Mordremoth starts to pick Caera’s/Scarlet’s brain, she’s already showing sociopathic tendencies. She travels from one stop to another, not making relationships, using people until she gets what she wants from them, and then discards them. That may not be necessarily evil, but it is definitely selfish to an extreme, and not worthy of making the effort to preserve.

Ehecatl.9172:

draxynnic.3719:

Ceara might have been tragic, but she was never good. She was borderline if not sociopathic all along and showed no consideration for others or for society, and it’s worth noting that she worked with the Inquest before her encounter with Omadd’s machine.

This is the point I was going to make. Ceara displayed sociopathic tendencies very early on in her career and continued to get worse as she got older. Even going so far as to join up with the Inquest.

I really should read entire threads before chiming in. XD