Guild Wars 2

The dragons getting stronger is a result of the nature of the Dragon’s absorption of magical energy. As one and Now 2 are killed, the amount of energy available for the next dragon is greater and so He will be that much more powerful. I think, Primordus will now be more powerful than Zhaitan and Mordermoth combined. The pact meanwhile is now severely depleted and there has been no time to recover as the dragons come one-after-another.

A depleted pact will have to fight defensively this time and it won’t be an option to go on the offensive ( except perhaps as a final push) But all in all; This chapter of the story will feature a tyria using all of its strength just to hold Primordus at bay. I think We will not succeed in Killing Primordus this time but only in Fending him off.. perhaps holding him at bay indefinitely by stories end or injuring him badly enough that he is forced to withdraw and heal.

I think this largely depends on how Lazarus behaves. If Lazarus assists in any capacity against Primordus then that would be vastly helpful. It also depends on whether or not the stone dwarfs are still around. They have been holding pretty steady underground for a long time, and our assistance may be enough to allow them to push forward with us.

Sure, the Pact could very well be on it’s last legs. But I don’t think Primordus became that much stronger just because Zhaitan and Mordremoth are dead. Zhaitan was already weakened when he was killed and part of the magic he still possessed has passed on to Tequatl. Mordremoths magic has passed partly to Lazarus and partly to Glint’s Egg. The unknown factor here is how much of that magic was divided this way and what is left for Primordus and the others. However, according to Taimi the map in Rata Novus (so far) mainly went to these two places, so in terms of the balance of magic we might have come closer to what Primordus has available, depending on which side Lazarus and the Egg each choose. And Mordremoth does not seem to be done ‘leaking’, so there still is more up for grabs…

We have “pokemon” from the Egg so we will win every war.
Pact lost the war with Mordremoth, but our hope is the race of Asura.
They will discover Primordus’s weakness.
But Primordus is not the biggest danger…
Kryta is in danger, Lazarus came back…
We could lose wars but our last hope is the dragon from the Egg…
If he won’t be our allie, Tyria will be like Orr or Blazeridge Steppes.
“But this end was just beginning”… The war against Mordy was big disaster.
We have to prepare, if Kryta will lose, Tyria won’t be safe.

Arden.7480:

We have “pokemon” from the Egg so we will win every war.
Pact lost the war with Mordremoth, but our hope is the race of Asura.
They will discover Primordus’s weakness.
But Primordus is not the biggest danger…
Kryta is in danger, Lazarus came back…
We could lose wars but our last hope is the dragon from the Egg…
If he won’t be our allie, Tyria will be like Orr or Blazeridge Steppes.
“But this end was just beginning”… The war against Mordy was big disaster.
We have to prepare, if Kryta will lose, Tyria won’t be safe.

Lazarus has no interests in Kryta anymore as he stated at the end of episode one. He is after something much much bigger that makes Kryta “inconsequential”.

What that thing is well we just have to wait and find out later.

Technically, Edwin, Lazarus said that the Krytan throne is inconsequential.

Which could mean his goal is to literally obliterate all of Kryta.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Technically, Edwin, Lazarus said that the Krytan throne is inconsequential.

Which could mean his goal is to literally obliterate all of Kryta.

My theory is he’s after the dragons.

He said they are after more virtuous pursuits, he’s been on the edge of nothing for a long time.

Maybe he’s decided this time around instead of fleeing, he’s going to fight? My prediction is Lazzy and his white mantle go after the dragons.

Technically, the odds were stacked against us with EVERY dragon. Including the ones we already fought. (That’s kind of the point of these conflicts in video games. We find seemingly impossible odds, find a radical way to defeat it, and apply it. Can you imagine how boring stories would be if WE were the overpowered ones? "A moderate annoyance is plaguing Tyria! Come…take care of it…you know, whenever. ")

The Pact will find the edge it needs to defeat whatever dragon or floaty demi-god threatens it. That is its job.

Not necessarily the Pact, but the two-generation Destiny’s Edge will.

Most likely via Taimi and the Novan research.

Makes sense. It does feel like they’re slowly trying to make the Pact less and less relevant and open opportunities to make a new hero faction. But who knows?

Squee.7829:

Makes sense. It does feel like they’re slowly trying to make the Pact less and less relevant and open opportunities to make a new hero faction. But who knows?

Eh, I don’t think they are making the pact less relevant or aiming for it.

What it is, IMO, is a shift from full army movements to smaller scale, focused battles. As the commander said “I think we’d be better as a small unit acting dependently.”

It’s hard to portray a huge army and being the leadership of it (again, IMO), and having it feel like such. HoT we were in charge, yet it didn’t really feel like that. Also, by having us separate, we avoid any issues of perhaps somebody telling us to do something and technically being lower ranked.

No “The sergeant bosses around the admiral”

Kalavier.1097:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Technically, Edwin, Lazarus said that the Krytan throne is inconsequential.

Which could mean his goal is to literally obliterate all of Kryta.

My theory is he’s after the dragons.

He said they are after more virtuous pursuits, he’s been on the edge of nothing for a long time.

Maybe he’s decided this time around instead of fleeing, he’s going to fight? My prediction is Lazzy and his white mantle go after the dragons.

I tend to agree that Lazarus wants to take down the dragons. Although, I doubt it’s for any actually virtuous purpose. I think he just wants their magic. We know he’s capable of absorbing large amounts of magical energy and coming out unscathed, I think he wants to be standing right next to an Elder Dragon when one dies.

Tapioca.9062:

Kalavier.1097:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Technically, Edwin, Lazarus said that the Krytan throne is inconsequential.

Which could mean his goal is to literally obliterate all of Kryta.

My theory is he’s after the dragons.

He said they are after more virtuous pursuits, he’s been on the edge of nothing for a long time.

Maybe he’s decided this time around instead of fleeing, he’s going to fight? My prediction is Lazzy and his white mantle go after the dragons.

I tend to agree that Lazarus wants to take down the dragons. Although, I doubt it’s for any actually virtuous purpose. I think he just wants their magic. We know he’s capable of absorbing large amounts of magical energy and coming out unscathed, I think he wants to be standing right next to an Elder Dragon when one dies.

Yes. He said virtuous but really, what is virtuous in the mind of a Mursaat? It is probably not what Tyrians would consider virtuous.

Vyrulisse.1246:

Tapioca.9062:

Kalavier.1097:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Technically, Edwin, Lazarus said that the Krytan throne is inconsequential.

Which could mean his goal is to literally obliterate all of Kryta.

My theory is he’s after the dragons.

He said they are after more virtuous pursuits, he’s been on the edge of nothing for a long time.

Maybe he’s decided this time around instead of fleeing, he’s going to fight? My prediction is Lazzy and his white mantle go after the dragons.

I tend to agree that Lazarus wants to take down the dragons. Although, I doubt it’s for any actually virtuous purpose. I think he just wants their magic. We know he’s capable of absorbing large amounts of magical energy and coming out unscathed, I think he wants to be standing right next to an Elder Dragon when one dies.

Yes. He said virtuous but really, what is virtuous in the mind of a Mursaat? It is probably not what Tyrians would consider virtuous.

Well, here is another factor. They really held onto Kryta for the fact of keeping the Door of Komali sealed with soul battery sacrifices. Now that the door was opened (then resealed), and the Titan’s taken out or imprisoned once again, that drive may very well be a non-issue anymore.

He may simply not need Kryta at all, and thus not care about overthrowing the Monarch and putting a new one up (which is the main divide between the two white mantle factions, loyality to Mursaat over wanting to take over Kryta).

From what we have seen, those who absorbed magic from the bloodstone (or in anyway), become hungry for ever more power. Lazarus has absorbed the lion’s share of Bloodstone’s magic, and could very well intend to absorb other, greater sources of magic such as a dead Elder Dragon or another Bloodstone. Maybe Lazarus is looking for other Bloodstones and will use White Mantle to cut his way to them. Maybe Primordus is not coming for us, but is drawn to a Bloodstone or Lazarus himself – both equally are high sources of magic. Maybe their armies will meet by another Bloodstone and winner takes all? It would be interesting to see that we are no longer powerhouses to take dragons head on, but instead have to scrape what we have left to support the lesser evil to have a chance to eliminate both.

Tapioca.9062:

I tend to agree that Lazarus wants to take down the dragons. Although, I doubt it’s for any actually virtuous purpose. I think he just wants their magic. We know he’s capable of absorbing large amounts of magical energy and coming out unscathed, I think he wants to be standing right next to an Elder Dragon when one dies.

Well it depends on what Lazarus himself knows about the dragons. I mean in 1078, dwarves did not speak too much about elder dragons though their race fought them. The only living dwarf learned a lot during the last 3 centuries.
I don’t think we can be sure that the Mursaat alive in that time had better knowledge of the dragons in general, they may have lost some knowledge between the last rise of dragons and the 11th century AE.
For that reason, Lazarus getting out of his stasis may have very little knowledge on the Elder Dragon and could be more than surprised by the actual state of the world. Some kind of Austin Powers effect

Pregnantman.8259:

From what we have seen, those who absorbed magic from the bloodstone (or in anyway), become hungry for ever more power. Lazarus has absorbed the lion’s share of Bloodstone’s magic, and could very well intend to absorb other, greater sources of magic such as a dead Elder Dragon or another Bloodstone.

The odd thing is that Lazarus doesn’t seem crazed like everything else.

So whatever ritual he used to absorb that magic kept him safe from the effects unlike the rest.

Pregnantman.8259:

Maybe Primordus is not coming for us, but is drawn to a Bloodstone or Lazarus himself – both equally are high sources of magic. Maybe their armies will meet by another Bloodstone and winner takes all?

I don’t think Primordus is after a Bloodstone. It’s odd, but Zhaitan and Mordremoth were both adjacent to bloodstones and completely ignored them. The only time a dragon minion was related to a bloodstone was the five of six small shards in Arah, and that was by dragon champions who pre-corruption held those five shards.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Pregnantman.8259:

From what we have seen, those who absorbed magic from the bloodstone (or in anyway), become hungry for ever more power. Lazarus has absorbed the lion’s share of Bloodstone’s magic, and could very well intend to absorb other, greater sources of magic such as a dead Elder Dragon or another Bloodstone.

The odd thing is that Lazarus doesn’t seem crazed like everything else.

So whatever ritual he used to absorb that magic kept him safe from the effects unlike the rest.

Pregnantman.8259:

Maybe Primordus is not coming for us, but is drawn to a Bloodstone or Lazarus himself – both equally are high sources of magic. Maybe their armies will meet by another Bloodstone and winner takes all?

I don’t think Primordus is after a Bloodstone. It’s odd, but Zhaitan and Mordremoth were both adjacent to bloodstones and completely ignored them. The only time a dragon minion was related to a bloodstone was the five of six small shards in Arah, and that was by dragon champions who pre-corruption held those five shards.

The bloodstones were created to shield the magic from the dragons. Therefore, bloodstones probably look like regular rocks to dragons. However, the bloodstone in bloodstone fen is no longer shielding the magic, it would seem like an entirely new source of magic to the dragons. I would think that they would at least be curious about a new source of magic.

I would like to think that both Zhaitan and Mordy were interested by the Bloodstone at Bloodstone Fen but were unable to reach it. Mordy was asleep most of the time, and woke up for a swift resistance against him and a march to where he is. Our progress against Zhaitan’s doorstep was much slower, we had to finish up the problems at home, bulk up each order, form the Pact, gather up resources and so on. We slowly starved Zhaitan and brought the killing blow in Arah. In Mordy’s case, the Pact was already ready and brazenly met with his forces. I don’t think it would be able to spare much of his sources to Bloodstone Fen – which at that point was the bastion of White Mantle. As for Zhaitan, it was simply too far away and what champions it was able to send that far away from Orr may have been thwarted by White Mantle. Of course, it may also be that dragons simply do not interact with Bloodstones, but Arah p4 shows otherwise.

In both cases, Primordus’ movement can be explained. If Primordus was unable to interact with a Bloodstone, its sudden leaking of magic would have alerted him. If it was able to sense the magic from Bloodstone it may still be alerted from the sudden magic flux. It may or may not sense that magic is in Lazarus now (would it be possible for him to hide from dragons like before with all that magic).

Lazarus doesn’t seem to be crazed as you said. He may still be interested in Bloodstones though. I noticed that the fifth Bloodstone, the key, isnt really mentioned in lore and there isnt a plot revolving around it. On a hunch, I would say that Lazarus’ intention is to combine all Bloodstones with the key within himself, slip through the world or annihilate anything in his path and reshape the world as a god, or attempt to bring his race back.

I have to hope that knowing what Lazarus has done with one stone, we might start the process of tracking the remaining Bloodstones (including the ones we don’t know their locations). In order to defend them from further incursions.

Pregnantman.8259:

I would like to think that both Zhaitan and Mordy were interested by the Bloodstone at Bloodstone Fen but were unable to reach it. Mordy was asleep most of the time, and woke up for a swift resistance against him and a march to where he is. Our progress against Zhaitan’s doorstep was much slower, we had to finish up the problems at home, bulk up each order, form the Pact, gather up resources and so on. We slowly starved Zhaitan and brought the killing blow in Arah. In Mordy’s case, the Pact was already ready and brazenly met with his forces. I don’t think it would be able to spare much of his sources to Bloodstone Fen – which at that point was the bastion of White Mantle. As for Zhaitan, it was simply too far away and what champions it was able to send that far away from Orr may have been thwarted by White Mantle. Of course, it may also be that dragons simply do not interact with Bloodstones, but Arah p4 shows otherwise.

Here’s the thing.

With Mordremoth, he had already influenced as far away as Iron Marches – before the Pact began mobilizing against him. He could have easily put vines in Bloodstone Fen, but we don’t see a single one. Then there’s the Bloodstone in the Shiverpeaks and on the Ring of Fire.

With Zhaitan, while we know his risen created a blockade from Orr to the Ring of Fire, there’s no hint of him going after the Bloodstone there, and even if he did, he made no move for the one in the Shiverpeaks despite his forces effectively surrounding it on all sides. While it’s true the Bloodstone Fen one was too far away, the other two known Bloodstones were on his literal doorstep, but no move made.

Pregnantman.8259:

It may or may not sense that magic is in Lazarus now (would it be possible for him to hide from dragons like before with all that magic).

Entirely plausible, but then you hit the fact that Lazarus – like all mursaat – are able to hide from Elder Dragons, and we see how this works, to a small degree at least, in Arah explorable.

Pregnantman.8259:

I noticed that the fifth Bloodstone, the key, isnt really mentioned in lore and there isnt a plot revolving around it. On a hunch, I would say that Lazarus’ intention is to combine all Bloodstones with the key within himself, slip through the world or annihilate anything in his path and reshape the world as a god, or attempt to bring his race back.

Hmmm, some theoyr places the Ring of Fire Bloodstone as the keystone, though it’s just a theory. Truth is, two Bloodstones are fully missing, and while folks theorize that the Maguuma Bloodstone was Preservation and the Shiverpeak Bloodstone was Aggression, there’s no real guess on which the Ring of Fire Bloodstone was – could have been any of the remaining three, or any of the five really, if the theory on the Maguuma and Shiverpeak Bloodstones were wrong.

Narcemus.1348:

I have to hope that knowing what Lazarus has done with one stone, we might start the process of tracking the remaining Bloodstones (including the ones we don’t know their locations). In order to defend them from further incursions.

Well there is a decent space between Timberline and Sparkfly for the Shiverpeak Bloodstone. We never learned its exact location due to the nature of dungeons in GW1, but it would be roughly around there, I’d imagine.

And that spot is, while smaller than Dry Top, Southsun, and Silverwastes, larger than Bloodstone Fen.

Or, if they eventually start opening underground maps, like I have a feeling they will around the time of Primordus’ fight, it may just be located underneath any of the maps in the area.

It’ll have to be brand new zones to do that, though, due to the whole water level issue.

Unless you want dozens of underwater tunnels ala Tangled Depths.

Well yes, that was my assumption. Brand new maps that show up on the overworld map as being beneath known world locations. I mean, if we go to war with primordus we 2ill likely need to go deep.

I don’t think Primordus is gonna be that much more powerful from Mordremoth’s death, BECAUSE Taimi stated that the vast majority of the magic from Mordremoth went into Glint’s Egg. Some went elsewhere but most of it had one destination.

bearshaman.3421:

I don’t think Primordus is gonna be that much more powerful from Mordremoth’s death, BECAUSE Taimi stated that the vast majority of the magic from Mordremoth went into Glint’s Egg. Some went elsewhere but most of it had one destination.

Don’t forget, Primordus had a 100 year head start on Mordremoth.

DarcShriek.5829:

bearshaman.3421:

I don’t think Primordus is gonna be that much more powerful from Mordremoth’s death, BECAUSE Taimi stated that the vast majority of the magic from Mordremoth went into Glint’s Egg. Some went elsewhere but most of it had one destination.

Don’t forget, Primordus had a 100 year head start on Mordremoth.

200, actually. Well, 207ish. But what bearshaman was saying was just that Primordus wouldn’t have gotten much of Mordremoth’s magic, not that it’d be weaker than Mordremoth.

Lazarus + Glint’s Baby.

Don’t count everyone out just yet!

However, Primordus (and the other Elder Dragons) likely would get more powerful from Zhaitan’s death.

Also, based on the ending cinematic of HoT, less than a quarter of Mordremoth’s magic went into the egg (the magic went into four directions seemingly equally – one towards the egg, one towards Rata Sum/The Grove, one towards Ring of Fire, probably enlarging that Bloodstone, and one westward off the map).

Even with the egg in the way, the Maguuma Bloodstone got a huge boost of power from Mordremoth’s death too, so the egg got less than a quarter of Mordremoth’s power. If we presume that some magic went past the bloodstone rather than fully stopping at it, then over 3/4ths of Mordremoth’s magic went… elsewhere.

Likely candidates?

• Ring of Fire Bloodstone
• Pale Tree -> Shiverpeak Bloodstone →Mount Maelstrom events
• DSD (west)

Primordus could have picked up some of that magic easily. Especially the magic that went to Mount Maelstrom.

I have abother theory:
North<—- Egg
West<—— agree, Bubbles
South<—- Primordus
East<——- the Grove (newly Sylvari), temporary Lion’s Arch, I think that in LA Ley Line split up in 2 directions- Shiverpeaks and from Mount Maelstrom to Kralkatorrik’s teritory.
So 4 Dragons took some energy from Mordremoth.
But DSD is absolutely the biggest secret in GW2.

Arden.7480:

But DSD is absolutely the biggest secret in GW2.

DSD?

bearshaman.3421:

Arden.7480:

But DSD is absolutely the biggest secret in GW2.

DSD?

Deep Sea Dragon, also known as the sixth elder dragon of (presumably) water. the reason why quaggan, krait, largos and karkas (probably one more race i can’t think of) are in the shallower ends of the water, near coastlines and in rivers and lakes instead of the deeper ends of the ocean where we would never see them is because of DSD, also known by fans as Bubbles.

Bubbles better be referenced to or better yet partake with some minions in some way this LW or things will start getting creepy; he might as well have literally become the sea floor by now akin to Modremoth and the Jungle, except the Oceans are much, much bigger and there’s much more Leyline area to cover.

That’s also assuming he had nothing big to worry about, since he’s driven the Krait and Karka away, and probably whatever else creepy thing was down there, so apart from destroyers here and there I guess nothing stopped him on his track to sea domination.

Now, the idea that something ocean sized is covering the whole (or a big part of) sea floor with nasty tentacles, by directly corrupting the water around it, on a planet that has A LOT of sea floor area to cover (Tyria), amidst magic surges and its (presumably larger than all the other dragon’s) minions, and it does NOTHING to the continents, not even some tidal waves, makes no sense at all.

Arden.7480:

I have abother theory:
North<—- Egg
West<—— agree, Bubbles
South<—- Primordus
East<——- the Grove (newly Sylvari), temporary Lion’s Arch, I think that in LA Ley Line split up in 2 directions- Shiverpeaks and from Mount Maelstrom to Kralkatorrik’s teritory.
So 4 Dragons took some energy from Mordremoth.
But DSD is absolutely the biggest secret in GW2.

Most recent guess would put Primordus closer to Mount Maelstrom (depending on how old that volcano is), so I’m not sure why you think Primordus is under a bunch of water.

Despite common belief, nothing relates the Ring of Fire to Primordus.

Mordremoth has been severely injured by The Pact.
Tyria has been fighting with all of what they have to repeal the Elder Dragon.

However, it turned out that a report handed to Queen Jennah by a scout of The Pact described legendary creatures coming out of a chaotic storm to revive the Dragon and his body magically vanished into the air.

It looks like all of the Elder Dragons are regrouping, healing their allies and are going to strike Tyria to dominate and reign over the kingdom.

Queen Jennah has ordered an army of spies and detectives arround Modremoth’s domain to collect clues on what is going to happen next.

My theory is that Lazarus is after the power of the bloodstone magic and the dispersed ley magic to become a new form of god, he is all about us defeating the dragon so he can have even more magic to harness.
It may be a lot wrong but Lazarus is up to no good, he will not be an ally and thinking he could it’s delusional.

On our end we have glint egg we can make it absorb all the dispersed magic and hope it will be on our side.

Any way we are creating a powerful creature (i don’t even know if we are aware of it or not) and antagonizing a self made powerful creature, i guess the dragons are less frightening if what i think it’s true

A thought on this. If ANET goes the route of the Pact losing and is unable to keep going, they’ll have to rely on independent bodies to supply the skill and labor to get things done…Guilds. You could say then that the fights from Primordus on are…Guild Wars. :p

Technically they already began that with HoT via the lore behind the guild halls. The Guild Initiative is a (sub)guild (of Tyrian Explorers Society guild) that focuses on supporting guilds in the fights against the Elder Dragons, inspired by Destiny’s Edge’s effectiveness.

One theory that began with HoT’s release is that the Guild Initiative will be replacing the Pact, but then we saw that it’s not as destroyed as we thought (or as Anet/writing first claimed).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Technically they already began that with HoT via the lore behind the guild halls. The Guild Initiative is a (sub)guild (of Tyrian Explorers Society guild) that focuses on supporting guilds in the fights against the Elder Dragons, inspired by Destiny’s Edge’s effectiveness.

One theory that began with HoT’s release is that the Guild Initiative will be replacing the Pact, but then we saw that it’s not as destroyed as we thought (or as Anet/writing first claimed).

Strongly out of topic but I would really like to see Dougal, Ember and Gullik reunited and have them part of our next story

True Primordius is probably stronger then both dragons combined considering he is the first who awoken but you also forget that while the pact is very weakened the Commander of the Pact is way way way stronger then when he started. You might not believe me but he is a as strong as a dragon champion a top tier one. Actually right now in my opinion he is stronger then any of his new guild and stronger then any of Destiny’s Edge with the possible exception of Rytlock and I think the hero is still stronger then him but not 100% sure and that is because Rytlock uses a unknown type of magic that you can not really counter for now.

I think you give the Pact Commander too much credit.

Plot armor aside, the PC never fought a dragon champion alone and won. The closest time to that would have been against the Shadow of the Dragon during The World Summit, but at that time the Pale Tree (a dragon champion) was snaring the Shadow of the Dragon so that the PC could hit it. The second time, the biconics were assisting the whole way through and killing it would have been impossible without the divine fire which seems to have an innate ability to counter dragon minions (or at least mordrem).

And against Mordremoth, the PC had the assistance of half of the biconics and DE, as well as an entire Pact army distracting it – very similar level of assistance as against Zhaitan.

So what the bionics basically trapped the dragon champion together with us that is not really much of a help mostly just stopped his way of escaping so the PC can finish him. The same thing at the World Summit stopped his way of escaping.
They just gave us the chance of a 1 vs 1. You also forget that now he can basically counter the magic of a dragon you know the thing that we just learned to basically redirect magic.

Fox threw in divine fire without which we could not defeat the Shadow of the Dragon. Braham provided stability bubbles so that the Shadow of the Dragon could not hinder us as we the flames to trap it. Marjory and Kasmeer sent in minions and illusions to destroy its summoned minions, and they all teleported in when it was weakened enough and the minions outside the barrier it created were killed to help finish it off (mechanically at 25% health).

They didn’t trap the Shadow of the Dragon, it trapped us. And they kept minions off of our backs all the while assisting us.

During The World Summit, it wasn’t the Biconics but the Pale Tree that assisted us, trapping it so that we could hit it and so that it couldn’t attack us.

Neither case was a 1 on 1.

And the redirecting magic has not yet been used on dragon magic. Only Bloodstone magic and spectral agony.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Fox threw in divine fire without which we could not defeat the Shadow of the Dragon. Braham provided stability bubbles so that the Shadow of the Dragon could not hinder us as we the flames to trap it. Marjory and Kasmeer sent in minions and illusions to destroy its summoned minions, and they all teleported in when it was weakened enough and the minions outside the barrier it created were killed to help finish it off (mechanically at 25% health).

They didn’t trap the Shadow of the Dragon, it trapped us. And they kept minions off of our backs all the while assisting us.

During The World Summit, it wasn’t the Biconics but the Pale Tree that assisted us, trapping it so that we could hit it and so that it couldn’t attack us.

Neither case was a 1 on 1.

And the redirecting magic has not yet been used on dragon magic. Only Bloodstone magic and spectral agony.

Basically exactly as I said stop him from running. Everything was a plan for us to literally stop him from running so we can finish him which the commander did also he also had his biconics way more then us what they do not matter? By the way why could he not hit us was his mouth bound also? It was not by the way and to make matters worse we had to fight tons of his minions besides fighting him and dodge his attacks when he hit us from the air or when he trew his spit on us just when he got free. Just because the commander had help it makes him weaker he had hundreds of minions and air superiority in that fight but that did not matter right he is still stronger. Of course he is not we where outnumbered and outgunned and we still won.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Technically they already began that with HoT via the lore behind the guild halls. The Guild Initiative is a (sub)guild (of Tyrian Explorers Society guild) that focuses on supporting guilds in the fights against the Elder Dragons, inspired by Destiny’s Edge’s effectiveness.

One theory that began with HoT’s release is that the Guild Initiative will be replacing the Pact, but then we saw that it’s not as destroyed as we thought (or as Anet/writing first claimed).

It could be that it will act as the face of any guilds signing up for fun and disaster, liaising with the Pact. Like mercenaries hired to fluff up the regulars. The guilds get to act in most cases under autonomy—granting a sense of independence while still having directives from the GI (who in turn receives general orders/requests from the Pact).

If such is the case, then guilds could gain notoriety not just through direct witness of their deeds, but perhaps through the Pact itself. It still needs to replenish numbers, and the three groups it comprised are also depleting, so groups who continue to do very well may have members given the option to join the Pact through that route.

Speaking of the Pact’s ravaged constituent parts, It was my hope they could convince other organizations to lend aid along the way, too. Like the three groups helping each other in Brisban (although they would be tied up at the moment, given the Lazarus Project). Or even groups that may still exist in some rebellious form in Elona, like the Sunspears. The charr legions in full, and so on. I thought they’d sign on as the Pact or the PC & Friends Gang cleared each region of the major squabbles affecting them. I still hope that’s the case, but who knows? Seems poor Soulkeeper is the one marshaling the Pact now, and she isn’t even a Pactite officially—in some cases, she isn’t even representing the PC’s avowed group. While her initiative is welcomed, it doesn’t speak well for Pact logistics if even closely tied outsiders have to assume control. So how they handle things here to the end is anyone’s guess.

Remainder of LS3: We are in competition with Lazarus for the plot mcguffin we need to fight Primordus. This means some time spent figuring out a critical weakness in Lazarus. Lazarus finally strike a Palawa-Joko style deal with us. He can kill Primordus with the widget, but we won’t give it to him because we know better. End of LS3 he swoops in to save us because our mundane abilities, even with the widget, can’t take on Primordus. Agrees to help us kill Mordremoth so that he himself isn’t killed by the dragon when we fail.

Next expansion: Super awesome team up with Lazarus. We learn interesting lore facts about the Mursaat. Lazarus is painted as a sympathetic character who just wants to bring back his people from the brink of extinction. Maybe they have some sad origin story and we get to give a speech about how subjugating lesser races isn’t the only way to bring back the Mursaat. We definately give another speech about teamwork and unity against the dragons and other such stuff. We bond with Lazarus and save each other’s bacon a lot. Lazarus tries to sacrifice himself just before the final battle but we don’t let him because we’re bros now. Together with our new underground dwarf bros and assorted other races Anet has invented for the expansion we finally take down Primordus. Lazarus betrays us and gloats about how easy it was to gain our trust as he takes the magic widget. He prepares to destroy us but we are saved at the last minute by Kyle the Egg Dragon, who uses fancy crystal magic to absorb the attack and all the remaining ley line energy to become Kyle the Ley Dragon. Kyle is conveniently about the same size as our character so he can join our team of NPCs. Taking the blast makes him weak like a regular dude.

LS4: TENGU EVERYWHERE. After the defeat of Primordus, the Tengu don’t have as many problem on their home turf, and feel their honor is besmirched by not joining us in the fight. In a move that surprises no one they join the pact and finally open their cities to the world. The rumblings of the next dragon start and we head to the desert to confront Kyle’s crystalline granddaddy.

Third Expansion: Plot twist. Lazarus hooks up with Palawa Joko and some Junundu and annihilates the dragon within the first two missions. We end up fighting lots of Joko-zombie’d Mursaat. Joko is a sub boss. Killing him un-zombies all those Mursaat leaving us to face off against Dragon-Powered Lazarus in a scripted battle involving a lot of crystal Junundu. He gets the Junundu and we get to ride around on suddenly full size Kyle like the never ending story. We defeat Lazarus and Kyle sucks up all that Ley Energy. We ditch the airships for shiny blue new crystal dragons from that point forward. They call the expansion shattered mirror or dark mirror or something else with mirror in it. The logo has two dragons on it.

Future expansion boss fights are always giant set pieces where Kyle gets to do the heavy lifting while we watch him murder the other three dragons while we fight some adds and flip some plot critical switches. If they decide to can the game early they just lump however remaining dragons are left in to one fight to end the series.

Anet goes on to invent a new IP. Probably something with spaceships.

Tapioca.9062:

I tend to agree that Lazarus wants to take down the dragons. Although, I doubt it’s for any actually virtuous purpose. I think he just wants their magic.

I’d say simple survival would do it for him as well. This time he sees there is a chance to off the elder dragons. He doesn’t have to play the waiting game the same way Mursaat of old did.

Tapioca.9062:

We know he’s capable of absorbing large amounts of magical energy and coming out unscathed, I think he wants to be standing right next to an Elder Dragon when one dies.

Possibly. Or he may be counting on the Door of Komalie’s Bloodstone. Which is likely the point to where the influx of magic went, as well as the thing Primordius is after.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I don’t think Primordus is after a Bloodstone. It’s odd, but Zhaitan and Mordremoth were both adjacent to bloodstones and completely ignored them.

The bloodstones were empty then. The magic that was sealed within leaked into the world long ago. The Bloodstone Fen one however has been awakened by White Mantle sacrifices, and then acquired a large share of magic when Mordremoth died.

On the other hand, now that i think about it, the Bloodstones just had to be elder dragon-proof somehow – they were made to conceal the sealed magic from them after all. Their very creation would have had no sense if dragons could simply sniff them out and eat them. Perhaps, now that one of them got broken, that concealment effect is starting to fail?

The bloodstones were never empty. Except for maybe a brief time in 1 BE to Year 0.

Is there even a pact left? I mean, yes there is. But my question is, will the pact remain relevant? It seemed like the pact ended up being cannon fodder while the guild thing that exists now was really what killed him. And honestly, it was the same way with Zhaitan. I guess Mordremoth’s physical form was killed by the pact, but it didn’t end up doing much to actually kill it.

Well, Lazarus can still just slip to Mists to save himself. So, survival isn’t his only goal. If he were to slip into Mists and returned when dragons slept again, chances are that there wouldn’t be anyone else left. If Lazarus wants to rule the world, he has to save it first. He has to kill every last dragon to ensure that, as he also knows that remaining dragons become stronger as their fellow brethen die. Therefore the world isn’t safe even if only one dragon remains, as that dragon would just absorb the power of others – assuming Lazarus can’t simply drain the dragons we kill to the last drop and prevent others from getting stronger, which seems unlikely. Whether if he is truly in good will or not is not really relevant, as he has to be of opposition to dragons to the bitter end. Now, it may seem entirely plausible that he get rid of us once he sees the opportunity and carry on the fight with his White Mantle, but why would he do that if he can use more able fighters for his cause? So he is our ally while we save the world, regardless of his newfound altruism.

Only way we truly win is to have something of equal power to Lazarus, as we don’t have the means to rambo our way with fleet and press 1 to kill Lazarus like we did with Zhaitan, not to mention it wouldn’t be very effective if we could. We need to make sure the new hatchling to get his/her fair share of dead dragon magic to have leverage against Lazarus.