Whatever happened to Mister E!?

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

pdavis.8031

Maybe I was wrong in my understanding, but I thought that with HoT that the identity of Mister E would be revealed.

Unless I missed the dialogue in story about it, there seems to be no mention of Mister E at all.

This really irked me about the story. Although I thought it was good, there were far too many loose ends, new questions, and lack of closure.

Does anyone else have any new information on the elusive Mister E that I may have missed?

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Posted by: Randulf.7614

Randulf.7614

Ongoing loose end.

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

DarcShriek.5829

Mr. E is actually Mallyck.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

He’s just a dropped plot thread.

Like Bahltek. The Teller of Tales. Vael. Druids. The Mysterious Stranger who contracted Zinn to make R.O.X. The Herald. Malyk. Lazarus. Drakkar. Wizard’s Tower/Isgarren. Caudecus. Ministry of Purity. Palawa Joko. Molten Alliance. Toxic Alliance. Mai Trin and the Aetherblades. Magdaer (how is Eir gonna give it to Logan now!?). Adelbern. The Nightmare. Dhuum. Menzies. Shiny. And many, many more I can’t think of atm.

None of these got concluded. Just faded away into nothingness.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Mystic Starfish.2586

Mystic Starfish.2586

^The GW1 ones sure, unlikely to be concluded. But stuff like Caudecus, Mai Trin/Aetherblades, Magdaer, all could show up in future expansions theoretically. Now that we’re done with the “Sylvari Expansion”, we can venture to other areas of the world and pick up on these storylines.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

Jaken.6801

He’s just a dropped plot thread.

Like Bahltek. The Teller of Tales. Vael. Druids. The Mysterious Stranger who contracted Zinn to make R.O.X. The Herald. Malyk. Lazarus. Drakkar. Wizard’s Tower/Isgarren. Caudecus. Ministry of Purity. Palawa Joko. Molten Alliance. Toxic Alliance. Mai Trin and the Aetherblades. Magdaer (how is Eir gonna give it to Logan now!?). Adelbern. The Nightmare. Dhuum. Menzies. Shiny. And many, many more I can’t think of atm.

None of these got concluded. Just faded away into nothingness.

We definetly need a list of all these things.
I am gettin tired of the teasing, not delivering and adding more stuff instead of resolving things.
I mean, I am doing this lore thing not as long as many others and I am getting more and more frustrated than entertained right now.

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Posted by: Mordeus.1234

Mordeus.1234

There really should be a thread listing all the unanswered questions and forgotten plot points, just so we can keep track of it and maybe see the scale of what needs to be addressed. You could probably do a pretty sizeable list of just HoT/Maguuma-centric stuff.

I’m tempted to do it but I don’t think I have the best grasp of the problem.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

Jaken.6801

There really should be a thread listing all the unanswered questions and forgotten plot points, just so we can keep track of it and maybe see the scale of what needs to be addressed. You could probably do a pretty sizeable list of just HoT/Maguuma-centric stuff.

I’m tempted to do it but I don’t think I have the best grasp of the problem.

I started one after LS1 and right after HoT:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/Spoiler-Open-Questions-post-HoT-edition

However I still think we need a more condensed space. Something that is easier to edit and not as restrictive as the forums (A post is not enough for all the loose ends and reserving several is a guessing game.)

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Posted by: Mordeus.1234

Mordeus.1234

I do think that there is value in having a thread on the forums, if only because the whole exercise would also serve as feedback to whatever Developer that happens to come across it.

I think a top 10 or maybe a top 20 unanswered questions format might be the way to go. Because then you have a concise list and a manageable goal. Not to mention that if the Developers do take the feedback in consideration then they have something to go from, rather than a rabbit hole with no end insight.

So maybe a top 10 for HoT/Maguuma specifically and then a top 20, 30, etc… for wider questions that extend beyond that context. Getting to that number is the tricky part, but I reckon a bit of brainstorming done in that thread of yours would be enough to get some sort of consensus on what are the big hanging questions. I believe that getting it as clear as possible would show that answering those questions can be done.

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Posted by: Erukk.1408

Erukk.1408

Mr. E seems to be more of a investigative character, and with how fast paced the HoT story played out (couple weeks to a month maybe?), his/her big reveal wouldn’t make much sense. It would basically be a, “Oh, here’s who Mr. E really is! Now lets move on to killing Mordremoth again.”

I could see him, his information, and possible reveal popping up again either during the raids or LS again.

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Posted by: Mike.7263

Mike.7263

All the unresolved plot threads in the Guild Wars franchise could fill a wiki.

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Posted by: Daralii.8940

Daralii.8940

^The GW1 ones sure, unlikely to be concluded. But stuff like Caudecus, Mai Trin/Aetherblades, Magdaer, all could show up in future expansions theoretically. Now that we’re done with the “Sylvari Expansion”, we can venture to other areas of the world and pick up on these storylines.

Except we just finished the “sylvari expansion” and it addressed none of the dangling sylvari plot threads(Dream/Nightmare, Malyck, even the state of the Pale Tree). Why would you think the next storyline would be any better?

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Posted by: Priest Tully.3798

Priest Tully.3798

This is an issue that plagues many game developers I suppose. The vast world that is created is simply too big to be supported at the speed we would like. There are tons of plot points that are seemingly dropped or forgotten and I highly doubt we will ever see the answers to the majority of them.

I did think of Mister E the other day but I suppose Anet has chose not to further his plot.

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Posted by: BuddhaKeks.4857

BuddhaKeks.4857

He’s just a dropped plot thread.

Like Bahltek. The Teller of Tales. Vael. Druids. The Mysterious Stranger who contracted Zinn to make R.O.X. The Herald. Malyk. Lazarus. Drakkar. Wizard’s Tower/Isgarren. Caudecus. Ministry of Purity. Palawa Joko. Molten Alliance. Toxic Alliance. Mai Trin and the Aetherblades. Magdaer (how is Eir gonna give it to Logan now!?). Adelbern. The Nightmare. Dhuum. Menzies. Shiny. And many, many more I can’t think of atm.

None of these got concluded. Just faded away into nothingness.

I would add Evennia, Livia and the Scepter of Orr (well atleast we have her in Sea of Sorrows) and maybe the leadership of the Consortium. Of course they did the rebuilding of Lion’s Arch so might not be completely dropped.

You don’t win friends with salad! Sorry I just got caught up in the rhythm.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

Jaken.6801

Sure, the annoying part is just that E was part of Season 1 and since then the writers have teased that we get mroe info on him/her.
What did we get in season 2? Nothing (aside from one or two letters)
What did we get in HoT? Nothing.

Even if they reveal for him to be Anise, the simple idea that they didn`t progressed our revelation towards him is just not enough and makes it feel dropped.

Yes, there are writing stuggles. I get that.
However it is not, like we in the forum pull these particular questions up again and again and make them visible.
If they write their part, there should some alarm bell go off and a big neon sign blinking saying: Don`t forget to expand on that plot point

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

draxynnic.3719

Regarding the egg: We don’t get our noses rubbed in it, but it’s a theme in LS2 that while the dragons present a threat by consuming magic, destroying them also presents a threat by releasing too much magic into the world. The pedestals in the Study in Gold achievement make the observation that the Forgotten – and by extension, the Exalted – lack the ability to create a magic reservoir such as the original Bloodstone in order to protect magic (and, presumably, they also lack the ability to reconfigure the current bloodstones to do this), and reaffirm the importance of Glint’s legacy. Combined with Ogden’s assertion that Glint had the potential to have become an Elder Dragon that is friendly to the sapient races, I think that’s the general idea behind Glint’s legacy – replace the current means of magic regulation (the elder dragons and the remaining Bloodstone pieces) with one or more benign Elder Dragons.

Regarding Kasmeer, her lie detection ability supposedly comes from that event – although we only know this from out-of-game dev information, and without that information I’d be inclined to think it was just mesmers knowing minds.

Bahltek was almost certainly a teaser for Utopia, which was cancelled. So that’s a plot thread I consider appropriate to leave hanging, until and unless ArenaNet returns to that plot.

Otherwise, I’ll be keeping an eye on some of the discussions in this thread. For… reasons. ¬.¬

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Jaken.6801

Jaken.6801

He’s just a dropped plot thread.

Like Bahltek. The Teller of Tales. Vael. Druids. The Mysterious Stranger who contracted Zinn to make R.O.X. The Herald. Malyk. Lazarus. Drakkar. Wizard’s Tower/Isgarren. Caudecus. Ministry of Purity. Palawa Joko. Molten Alliance. Toxic Alliance. Mai Trin and the Aetherblades. Magdaer (how is Eir gonna give it to Logan now!?). Adelbern. The Nightmare. Dhuum. Menzies. Shiny. And many, many more I can’t think of atm.

None of these got concluded. Just faded away into nothingness.

I would add Evennia, Livia and the Scepter of Orr (well atleast we have her in Sea of Sorrows) .

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Maguuma bloodstone, afaik, is not explicitly explored in HoT and the Spirit Vale (first raid) seems to be located in an area the bloodstone could be found in GW2 (allowing for the geography changes they have been making). Livia was Shining Blade, enemies of the White Mantle. Silverwastes and Dry Top had a lot of hints suggesting bandits, or White Mantle, would make an appearance in the not so distant future. I’m really hoping Livia makes an appearance in the raid.

We know that we will encounter most of these things in the raids (which in my opinion is a bad place to put them, as it is supposed to be hardcore content and thus for the mostly lore enthusiasts, harder to reach and thus I doubt we get some deep lore here aside from: yeah, bloodstone and white mantle were a thing, you know )

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

draxynnic.3719

Also wanted to mention, and forgot, that Evennia was something else that they probably had a plan for, and then that plan got cancelled. Which still isn’t good, but it does mean that it wasn’t precisely overlooked so much as the decision made to refocus resources elsewhere.

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Ven Zehn.6573

Ven Zehn.6573

In the forgotten realms, E was always Elminster, and he would aid your character in Baldur’s Gate, leaving notes, hints, wisdom to guide you iirc. Generally he is an unknown to your character initially, though in time you figure who he is.
I’m pretty sure that is where Anet got the inspiration for their E, and thus would act in a similar fashion.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

I would add Evennia, Livia and the Scepter of Orr (well atleast we have her in Sea of Sorrows) and maybe the leadership of the Consortium. Of course they did the rebuilding of Lion’s Arch so might not be completely dropped.

Evennia for sure. Consortium is clearly a long-term plan like Glint’s Legacy (the TRUE story of GW2; it’s not the Elder Dragons – they’re just a means to tell Glint’s Legacy).

Evennia I would add. Not Livia/Scepter of Orr. I think they’re saving that for when we get to bandits – which could well mean the upcoming raid will involve them.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Maguuma bloodstone, afaik, is not explicitly explored in HoT and the Spirit Vale (first raid) seems to be located in an area the bloodstone could be found in GW2 (allowing for the geography changes they have been making). Livia was Shining Blade, enemies of the White Mantle. Silverwastes and Dry Top had a lot of hints suggesting bandits, or White Mantle, would make an appearance in the not so distant future. I’m really hoping Livia makes an appearance in the raid.

The Bloodstone is actually located between Lost Precipice (which curiously takes place partially where the druids were found in Bloodstone Fen) and the raid (which is located just east of the mission area) per what that_shaman found in the dat.

I do think that Livia might show up for the raid, but I don’t expect the bloodstone to be relevant despite constant theories. The Vale Guardian platform that people kept going “Bloodstone! Bloodstone!” is FAR from what the Bloodstone looked like.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

CureForLiving.5360

All the unresolved plot threads in the Guild Wars franchise could fill a wiki.

Yeah, but with so many I sometimes think that ANet themselves have forgotten half of them :P
Having a nice list would give us something to point at and say ‘Come on ANet! We don’t need a MGS5 or anything, but at least give us some answers before adding more!’

^The GW1 ones sure, unlikely to be concluded. But stuff like Caudecus, Mai Trin/Aetherblades, Magdaer, all could show up in future expansions theoretically. Now that we’re done with the “Sylvari Expansion”, we can venture to other areas of the world and pick up on these storylines.

Except we just finished the “sylvari expansion” and it addressed none of the dangling sylvari plot threads(Dream/Nightmare, Malyck, even the state of the Pale Tree). Why would you think the next storyline would be any better?

Because PS2 was largely focused on the fight with Mordremoth there wasn’t much time to do other things (now we can debate how sensible that is, but clearly ANet decided they wanted to narrow the focus and give a sense of urgency), I’m hoping then that S3 would be a bit slower paced and now that we have Magus Falls we can have a few LS chapters actually exploring some Sylvari / Maguuma lore before we march towards the next ED.

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Posted by: wouw.5837

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Every update I hope to find Balthek somewhere.

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Posted by: Mushroomz.4280

Mushroomz.4280

I feel like the point of Mr. E is that we have no idea who it is. I think they will be dealt with between this and the next dragon campaign. Unfortunately, I feel like Glint’s egg may dominate the coming material.

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Posted by: Kossage.9072

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I still believe that Mr. E could be Magister Ela Makkay for reasons I’ve stated some time ago. It would make sense for her to be the one, especially if the writers’ tease that we may have met E before is in fact truthful and not misdirecting, and her being a scholar with access to Ogden (who seems to be a member of a mysterious order wanting to preserve Glint’s legacy) would provide her with additional opportunities to learn information most would not necessarily be privy to, not including the field work she’d done chronicling events of Scarlet’s actions (among other things) beforehand.

Added to the stuff I’ve written earlier, I’ve also been wondering if Ela and Marjory may have once been lovers once during their time in the Priory, considering the reference to an “intimate” touch in Marjory’s short story where she first met E who seized her briefly. In the instances they meet there hasn’t been any hint to something like that between the two of them, though, and their interactions have been rather formal; however, it’s possible they simply want to keep things strictly to business when in the presence of others and not let others know of their past and whatever drama the relationship may have had. But if E and Marjory were lovers, it makes me wonder what ended up driving them apart. Was this perhaps one of the reasons why Marjory eventually left the Priory and focused on working in the Ministry Guard in DR than focusing on becoming a scholar?

If E is Ela Makkay, it also presents another question. Why has E stayed so secretive and not let the Commander, who should’ve proven their dedication to defending Tyria, to know her identity by now? There appears to be worry or even fear of something and for one reason or another E wants to remain in the shadows. Perhaps now that the Commander has proven themself with preserving Glint’s legacy as seen in Heart of Thorns, they finally get to learn more about E and maybe even be let into this secret order of defenders who should finally shed some light on their far-reaching goals for Tyria in the fight against the Elder Dragons.

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