Guild Wars 2

What does this tell you? That there are not enough people doing the Fractals. So now we are being forced to do them to complete the LS, just like the personal story required a dungeon. Boring if I wanted to do Fractals or Dungeons I would just do them. I do not like Dungeons or Fractals and I am not going to bother. You can keep your finished vine back piece it’s ugly any way. Now, I don’t have to waste the time or energy, I can was dishes and clean my house.

These are the tactics WoW used to use to get players in Dungeons and why I don’t play that any more. They thought they were being so very clever putting exclusive crafting mats in dungeons. Now, they have at least one less customer. So Look up my gem usage and my account and learn how to make the customer happy.

There are a great many vocal players who love Fractals and Dungeons. There are also a great many not so vocal players who are bored by them. GW2 needs to get with the program and forget about forcing someone into playing content they don’t enjoy. Then everyone will be a lot happier. Thank You!

While we’re at it, I’m upset that I have to do open world mapping to get my legendary. It’s forcing me to play a game mode that I don’t like to get something that I want. I know a great many players who are bored of open world mapping and so I don’t think that this requirement is fair. This is simply a tactic to get dungeon hardcores like me to go out and do open world content. I would prefer it if I just had to get dungeon master instead because I only do dungeons. I also spend lots of money on gems and so my opinion is probably worth alot. Really I think it’s important that GW2 gets with the program and stops forcing someone into playing content that they don’t enjoy.

Basically its this kind of logic. And the reason it’s flawed is because of a few things-

When you want something, its different to when you need something. When you want something you should be prepared to make some sacrifices or do things that you may not want to do. Eg, I want these new clothes, I have work some extra shifts to pay for them. When you need something you may also need to make sacrifices, however you may also have a bit more entitlement to something if you need vs. want.

We play a game now with many different people who all play differently. What you may not like, others may enjoy. Not everyone is going to be happy about doing ‘a’ to get ‘b’. I like doing dungeons but I want an ascended armour/weapon set so that my dungeon runs are even better. I have to do something I don’t want to and farm dragonite in open world and WvW etc. Meanwhile somebody else wants a legendary and needs 500 dungeon tokens and he hates dungeons. That’s just how it is. Maybe, somewhere along the way while we’re off doing things we wouldn’t normally do, we discover something we enjoy in doing it. Hey maybe open world isn’t so bad, maybe fractals aren’t that bad. etc. Or maybe we continue to hate those things. Either way though, if you want something, you need to be prepared to make a sacrifice because we live in a world where everyone is different and while you may hate fotm, there’s probably someone out there who’s really happy that fotm relics are what’s required instead of having to endure more living agony.

Where in the LS do yo have to do Fractals to finish it? The parts and pieces for the backpiece are rewards for the LS. You can complete the LS and build the exotic backpiece without ever stepping foot in the Fractals. The Fractal relics are only for creating the ascended version of the backpiece. If you arent doing fractals you dont need ascended items. The stat gain for the ascended vs. exotic back piece is almost nothing.

Myst Dawnbringer.9138:

the personal story required a dungeon. Boring if I wanted to do Fractals or Dungeons I would just do them. I do not like Dungeons or Fractals and I am not going to bother.

If your dungeon experience started and ended with Arah story, I completely understand why you don’t like them.

But yeah, this is about how us dungeon folk feel about having to participate in World Boss circle zergs and WvW for dragonite…..which is a much bigger pain in the kitten than AFKing a few level one fractals for a new skin.

Gator.5729:

Where in the LS do yo have to do Fractals to finish it? The parts and pieces for the backpiece are rewards for the LS. You can complete the LS and build the exotic backpiece without ever stepping foot in the Fractals. The Fractal relics are only for creating the ascended version of the backpiece. If you arent doing fractals you dont need ascended items. The stat gain for the ascended vs. exotic back piece is almost nothing.

The dust eating monster is what the people really want not the associated back piece (well many of the people).

I did the 5, but did not enjoy it at all – 2 rage quit groups and 1 bugged hammer = several hours of wasted time. At least with dungeons you have some reward after 1 path…. Probably not a coincidence I played other games when I finished each fractal run….

dlonie.6547:

Myst Dawnbringer.9138:

the personal story required a dungeon. Boring if I wanted to do Fractals or Dungeons I would just do them. I do not like Dungeons or Fractals and I am not going to bother.

If your dungeon experience started and ended with Arah story, I completely understand why you don’t like them.

But yeah, this is about how us dungeon folk feel about having to participate in World Boss circle zergs and WvW for dragonite…..which is a much bigger pain in the kitten than AFKing a few level one fractals for a new skin.

Difference is exploration / bosses can be done solo. You are not dependent on 4 others who may rage quit costing you the thing most valuable – your time.

Gator.5729:

Where in the LS do yo have to do Fractals to finish it? The parts and pieces for the backpiece are rewards for the LS. You can complete the LS and build the exotic backpiece without ever stepping foot in the Fractals. The Fractal relics are only for creating the ascended version of the backpiece. If you arent doing fractals you dont need ascended items. The stat gain for the ascended vs. exotic back piece is almost nothing.

The stats on Ascended Back pieces are actually quite a lot higher than exotics. Much more bang for the buck than Ascended armor.

I want you to show me how the revised bosses can be soloed within the time limit.

I know there are a few you could and probably still could solo if it weren’t for megaservers. I did it occasionally before the megaserver patch. Even if i take that into account, its till takes a lot more time to get your dragonite together to go high level fractals than to get 5 pristine relics for the dust eater+ascended backpiece.

And I want you to show me how I can solo a keep in WvW before the opposing faction transforms me into wxp and a bag (or forces me to withdraw).

You are equally dependant on other players in both cases. Actually even more so when it comes to map completion.

For the OP: If you find the backpiece that ugly, why make it in the first place? Or was it about the dust eater like in Liston’s argument?
I can’t see that as mandatory either. Nice to have maybe, but the disadvantage of not possesing that is minimal from what I’ve seen so far given what is produced by the dust eater.

Myst Dawnbringer.9138:

What does this tell you? That there are not enough people doing the Fractals.

Uh, by that logic..

You need Foxfire Clusters for the finished LS backpiece. What does this tell you? That there are not enough people harvesting Elder Wood and Ancient Wood nodes.

You need to do the JP in Frostgorge for the finished LS backpiece. What does this tell you? That there are not enough people doing Jumping Puzzles.

And so on and so forth.

They decided that for the final version of this back piece, people would need to participate in almost all facets of the game. I’m actually a bit surprised that there isn’t a World vs. World requirement involved, something like the “run to the middle part of Edge of the Mists” thing that we did for Taimi’s golem when EotM was introduced. If you don’t want to do Fractals, then you don’t have to do Fractals, just remember that the people who don’t want to do Jumping Puzzles were thus locked out of the back piece a lot sooner than you were.

Oh hey look it’s this thread again… sigh.

It rather told me that Open World LS fans don’t deserve things that glow according to Anet.

Jokes aside, I agree, but the problem is that we are just going to look like wer complaining, and I can see why,because that’s what an MMO forum is made of but in truth its a flawed game design (WoW; children s week PVP achievement anyone ? ) . On top of that thers not enough of us that vocally care to swamp a forum. Funny enough I already had this convo today I’ll just copy paste this here as well ;
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My only gripe with the scavenger hunt is (and oh god I know I’m going to get teared to shreds over this, lord forbid a filthy casual runs around with your toys)

They should have not involved big dungeon materials in any step of making an item that is linked to the Living Story.
None of my group ,nor me, are real dungeneers and the item feels like ‘a souvenir that’s linked to LS’ but oh hey you don’t do fracks to bad, no last stage for you… I better get my flame shield don’t I
I’m not stupid, I realize its exotic and we generally don’t need it FOR STATS REASONS so before you get your panties in a twist ; souvenir, skin, now calm down some people just enjoy the LS and like to take home a piece of it mkay.

-Just get your butt in Fracks its not hard .
Its not about hard, its about logic. Keep everything in 1 ‘zone’ and ‘PVE story’ is such a ‘zone’ but a zone that works together much closer towards ‘open world PvE’ then it does towards ‘5 man dungeon PvE’. The meaning is what I already stated ‘we did SL2 and we brought home a souvenir’ not everyone cares that X people can’t get it so it must be cool ,nor care about the illusion of prestige. To bad the souvenir remains incomplete ,once again, because I might have not been around for LS1 but by the looks of it the previous backpiece did this as well.

-But you can make part of it !
if it wasn’t that this is the second time the last stage possible for non dungeoneers looks, lets be honest, rather poor for the amount of materials ,gold and time, doesn’kitten The Spinal without colors doesn’t really cut it either. So I’m seeing a trend here and its highly discouraging for the future of LS / open world PVE people. What they did during Halloween was a better design (book backpiece)

But in the end it feels entirely pointless to even bring up this topic, there really is not one good reason to have the full stage require a dungeon, no not even ‘but everyone will have it!’ (so what ?) or ‘whats the point if you don’t have to work for it ’ (er… you do ‘work’ for it ,those 5 runs where not work for you, getting all the mats was, getting the crafts up to 400 or 500 was all the rest was). But unless its suddenly a majority in uproar like the colored commander tags noting will change, and clearly we are not that.

As I’ve done in other threads, I’ll remind people of it here, too.

In the first season of Living Story, there were times when the actual story was in dungeons.

You could do all of Flame and Frost, escorting refugees and investigating the Molten Alliance and stopping their portal attacks in the open world, but then came the final part of that Living Story phase, which was the Molten Facility dungeon. A five person instance. If you wanted to see the end of the fight against the Molten Alliance, you needed to group.

Then there was the attack on Lion’s Arch by the Aetherblades and the murder of Captain Theo Ashford. Players got to track down clues and interview witnesses in the open world at the behest of new character Marjory Delaqua, until the culprit was revealed, Mai Trin. And then… to capture Mai Trin, we needed to do the Aetherblade Retreat, a five person instance.

There is precedent for actual story content in the Living Story to be put in dungeons. The same happened with Fractured later on, so that’s three cases in the year and a half that Living Story has been a thing. It could very well happen again going forward. Better to be prepared for it now and get some experience with dungeon content than to be caught completely off guard by it and wind up whining even more then than you are now over this scavenger hunt item.

Myst Dawnbringer.9138:

What does this tell you? That there are not enough people doing the Fractals.

This backpiece requires purely PVE in order to complete.

What does this tell you?

There are not enough doing people doing PVE.

No there are lots of people doing the open world dynamic PvE we were promised in the beginning. There are just not a lot of people willing to waste their time doing 5 man instance dungeons and fractals. This requirement was introduced just to get more people into fractals. The same reason the new elite skills were added to the dungeons.

Dungeons and fractals have been on the downswing for quite a while. I’ve been in on several of the dungeon runs and they were so boring I can certainly forgo doing them again. I mean we ran in, ran past most of the bad guys, stood in a corner and sent someone to agro some stuff killed it, ran through some more bad guys, then hit a couple of bosses. Done. Boring. Story, who cares, we got some tokens for our Legendary. Who cares about a Legendary if you want one enough just buy it on the TP.

If I remember correctly there is a Fractal Back piece. Why do they need another one from LS. Or if you just wanted to give the Fractal Players something nice for doing LS and give them a second back piece skin that is fine but you should have told us up front in Part One that this was a Fractal Back Piece and we could have decided if we wanted to go for it or not. I resent wasting my time working for something I cannot finish. Or at least give the players who do not want to do Fractals a substitute for the fractal relics.

I choose not to do dungeons so I choose not to make a legendary, fine I can live with that. I choose not to make the Fractal Backpack. I don’t get a choice in the LS backpack because I’ve been working on it for 3 weeks already only to find out I cannot finish it.

I don’t want Fractals and Dungeons eliminated because I know even thought they are a farming trap and time suck that some people actually enjoy them.

And I’m tired of hearing you don’t need something if you don’t do Fractals. Yes Ascended armor is a time suck and expensive and not worth it. But I choose to make it. I enjoy it. I like having things and am so very tired of being told I’m a bad player because I find this kind of instance content boring. The whole LS has been turned into a second chapeter of your Personal story. Why because the devs forgot that after the Personal Story ended you might need a next chapter.

i dont think any content should be balanced for people which only use 20% of the game experience

This is a high end, luxury aesthetic item. I think its personally fine that you have to do it, as when you show it off, people will know that you were skilled enough to get the geodes AND do the fractals!

No one wants an hand out just an option to use something else.

And if they wanted to give a Fractal Item they should have said from the beginning it was going to be for players doing Fractals and we would have known not to bother.

Considering this is a high end item, I was surprised that it required only 5 pristine fractal relics. It should have been at least 10, like the ascended rings do.

You can see this from my point of view as well. I spend most of my game time doing fractals. And I had to suffer through the mindless geode, dragonite and foxfire farming.

Doing 5 level 1 fractals with a group of friends is nothing compared to the hours spent in Dry Top and its annoying jumping skills.

And if people cannot figure out how to get to the end of a jumping puzzle, without having to do the jumping themselves, maybe they don’t really deserve to have a special backpiece.

Just like the items requiered geodes for crafting.
This clearly means that people aren’t playing enough in Dry Top.
It also requiered bloodstone dust. This means people aren’t killing enough champions.

I hope this sarcasm helps you understand the flaw in your logic.

As far as rewarding people for what they like to do:

I like to sit afk in lions arch. I really wish the game would reward me with random loot popping up in my inventory. Even if I go to the extremes and actually talk with people I get zero loot.

Again, sarcasm to prove my point. To a certain extend you’re right but I feel this is not one of the cases where this issue holds any ground.

IceVyper.6810:

Considering this is a high end item, I was surprised that it required only 5 pristine fractal relics. It should have been at least 10, like the ascended rings do.

You can see this from my point of view as well. I spend most of my game time doing fractals. And I had to suffer through the mindless geode, dragonite and foxfire farming.

Doing 5 level 1 fractals with a group of friends is nothing compared to the hours spent in Dry Top and its annoying jumping skills.

And if people cannot figure out how to get to the end of a jumping puzzle, without having to do the jumping themselves, maybe they don’t really deserve to have a special backpiece.

I can grind Foxfire, Geodes, and Jumping Puzzles by myself. I don’t have to count on someone else and someone else doesn’t have to count on me. I can do it at my own pace. Fractals I cannot. I don’t have to listen to someone insult me, rage-quit, or boot me.

Here’s another thing – you’re biased in this because you do these things everyday and probably have a group you run with. It’s a comfortable thing for you.

What about new players, or returning players (like myself). I don’t have a group I can run with. I haven’t even set foot in a Dungeon in 2 years, anyone I played with quit around the same time I did and no longer play.

No one wants to PUG a Fractal, least of all with a virtual noob who has never done one. Even looking on LFG for simple Dungeon runs every single one of them is “Exp. 80’s Zerker or kick” basically. Fractals on LFG are the same.

Maybe you’re stuck in a bubble with regards to this game as you’ve reached a comfort level – so I’ll let you in on a secret, as someone who would have to ‘pug’ group content – the Guild Wars 2 community is horrible by and large.

Azumi.9572:

Maybe you’re stuck in a bubble with regards to this game as you’ve reached a comfort level – so I’ll let you in on a secret, as someone who would have to ‘pug’ group content – the Guild Wars 2 community is horrible by and large.

I pugged dungeons and fractals for the longest time, it is not as bad as you say. Just make an lfg that shows you are not going to speedrun and you will be left with other people that are either new or not interested in joining speedruns. The reason why lfg is filled with zerker runs is that those generally fill a lot slower than “all can join” parties.

On the general scope of things, if you insist on never doing a certain part of the game, expect to be locked out of certain rewards sometimes. These include scavenger hunts that incorporate different game modes. I’d think if you REALLY want it for some reason, that in itself justifies going out of your comfort zone for once.

Really sick of all those “i dont wanna group”, then why the hell do you play a MMO. Go play regular RPGs, MMOs are meant to have and promote group activities which GW2 is seriously lacking! I didn’t buy this game to play a single player RPG, there are far better and more games out there for that. GW2 is an MMO, so stop that kittening kitten and learn to play with people. I can’t believe that 2 yrs in you dont have enough friends in game to do a dungeon or a lvl 1 fractal…

If I were like you guys, i’d want to get that back piece with only stuff from wvw and would want that thing to eat Empyreal Fragment instead of bloodstone dust since I get lots of those either from dungeons or wvw… -_-

“omg its challenging to do, plz nerf”
I remember everyone complaining the exact same way like babies for Tequatl yet it is now being completed regularly…

Galespark.7835:

Azumi.9572:

Maybe you’re stuck in a bubble with regards to this game as you’ve reached a comfort level – so I’ll let you in on a secret, as someone who would have to ‘pug’ group content – the Guild Wars 2 community is horrible by and large.

I pugged dungeons and fractals for the longest time, it is not as bad as you say. Just make an lfg that shows you are not going to speedrun and you will be left with other people that are either new or not interested in joining speedruns. The reason why lfg is filled with zerker runs is that those generally fill a lot slower than “all can join” parties.

On the general scope of things, if you insist on never doing a certain part of the game, expect to be locked out of certain rewards sometimes. These include scavenger hunts that incorporate different game modes. I’d think if you REALLY want it for some reason, that in itself justifies going out of your comfort zone for once.

It is as bad….. I did the 5. To get there wasted hours on 2 rage quit groups and a bugged hammer fractal. Really anet? Include a bugged fractal in the rotation for a group of people that really don’t want to be there.

To be fair, 2 of the groups were very friendly, but that still did nothing to " makeup " for the 3 horrid experiences. I also don’t care for JPs, but I either got ports or slogged my way through at my own pace – I was ok with that as that was within my control.

Azumi.9572:

IceVyper.6810:

Considering this is a high end item, I was surprised that it required only 5 pristine fractal relics. It should have been at least 10, like the ascended rings do.

You can see this from my point of view as well. I spend most of my game time doing fractals. And I had to suffer through the mindless geode, dragonite and foxfire farming.

Doing 5 level 1 fractals with a group of friends is nothing compared to the hours spent in Dry Top and its annoying jumping skills.

And if people cannot figure out how to get to the end of a jumping puzzle, without having to do the jumping themselves, maybe they don’t really deserve to have a special backpiece.

I can grind Foxfire, Geodes, and Jumping Puzzles by myself. I don’t have to count on someone else and someone else doesn’t have to count on me. I can do it at my own pace. Fractals I cannot. I don’t have to listen to someone insult me, rage-quit, or boot me.

Here’s another thing – you’re biased in this because you do these things everyday and probably have a group you run with. It’s a comfortable thing for you.

What about new players, or returning players (like myself). I don’t have a group I can run with. I haven’t even set foot in a Dungeon in 2 years, anyone I played with quit around the same time I did and no longer play.

No one wants to PUG a Fractal, least of all with a virtual noob who has never done one. Even looking on LFG for simple Dungeon runs every single one of them is “Exp. 80’s Zerker or kick” basically. Fractals on LFG are the same.

Maybe you’re stuck in a bubble with regards to this game as you’ve reached a comfort level – so I’ll let you in on a secret, as someone who would have to ‘pug’ group content – the Guild Wars 2 community is horrible by and large.

This is not a single player game so some kind of group play has to be expected. Even though I have access to plenty of people to do fractals with, I PUG them quite often.

If you make your own LFG and state that you are a beguinner, noone is going to rage at you nor insult you. Plenty of people just like you are trying to get the relics.

You can also join a guild and people there will help you through some fractal runs.

I think for many people the word Fractal generates some sort of mental block and they don’t even want to try it.

The only time i’ve seen ppl rage in dungeons/fractals are when they ask their team if they know the encounter in order to explain it to them, they stay silent and you can obviously see they dont know what is happening…
That’s when you kick that poison that doesn’t know how to read or that doesn’t have the minimal respect for the other 4 ppl in the run and you replace him.
If you do keep ppl like that in your groups, it’s on you and expect it to implode at some time…

Azumi.9572:

I can grind Foxfire, Geodes, and Jumping Puzzles by myself. I don’t have to count on someone else and someone else doesn’t have to count on me. I can do it at my own pace. Fractals I cannot. I don’t have to listen to someone insult me, rage-quit, or boot me.

Here’s another thing – you’re biased in this because you do these things everyday and probably have a group you run with. It’s a comfortable thing for you.

What about new players, or returning players (like myself). I don’t have a group I can run with. I haven’t even set foot in a Dungeon in 2 years, anyone I played with quit around the same time I did and no longer play.

No one wants to PUG a Fractal, least of all with a virtual noob who has never done one. Even looking on LFG for simple Dungeon runs every single one of them is “Exp. 80’s Zerker or kick” basically. Fractals on LFG are the same.

Maybe you’re stuck in a bubble with regards to this game as you’ve reached a comfort level – so I’ll let you in on a secret, as someone who would have to ‘pug’ group content – the Guild Wars 2 community is horrible by and large.

Seems like you’re the one stuck in an anti-social bubble rather.
There’s plenty of people out there to help you. But not with the attitude you have.

Plenty of people pug fractals.
I pug fractals often enough to know a thing or two about them.
I’m helping out at least a dozen people on a weekly basis.
Of those probably new people or returning people as well.

Instead of complaining about how sucky fractals are, why not ask for help rather?
Is that too much to do? My friends and I often have clueless people tagging along and as long as their attitude is fine we’re happy they’re joining in.

And I don’t get why you don’t just make your own LFG if you have such an issue with the zerker groups?…

Open LFG Tool and type: Level 1 fractal – casual

Now there is no need to worry about the horrible community. I’ve used that same group finder tool for level 28 fractals. Smooth sailing, no crying and people explained the new fractals to me.

The stigma that every LFG party is a bunch of zerker, speed runner, call of duty 13 year olds needs to stop. I’ve had to have 30+ fractals/dungeon runs for the lfg tool without a single loud mouth. I just do them and myself a favor and avoid the groups stating all zerk/speed run or any with a bunch of conditions to join.

Or you could go with “Level 1, need midts stone/want to build backpiece”. You’ll most likely end up with 3-4 others who go there for the exact same reason.

The only disadvantage in that will be that you might get 5 people who are inexperienced at fractals. But so was everyone else too at the start. And Level 1 fractals really aren’t that difficult.
And if you run into a bug, you have my sympathy. Those suck. But Bugs can happen everywhere. On one of the megaserver shards I was, the Forsaken Halls entry event was bugged for example.

Honestly, from the viewpoint of someone doing fractals regularly, this is a good thing. Because this way the hammer bug gets more exposure and is more likely to get fixed.

I had more issues with level 1 myself. Both rage quits were level 1. If you find level 4-9, someone in the group has done them before, but not too much to expect others to know everything. Level 4-9 all welcome is even better.

I am done, but still think it was a bad experience overall with 2 rage quit groups and a hammer bug fail on fractal #3 of one set.

Clear.8512:

Open LFG Tool and type: Level 1 fractal – casual

Now there is no need to worry about the horrible community. I’ve used that same group finder tool for level 28 fractals. Smooth sailing, no crying and people explained the new fractals to me.

The stigma that every LFG party is a bunch of zerker, speed runner, call of duty 13 year olds needs to stop. I’ve had to have 30+ fractals/dungeon runs for the lfg tool without a single loud mouth. I just do them and myself a favor and avoid the groups stating all zerk/speed run or any with a bunch of conditions to join.

My friend and I are “zerker” (and elitists according to the kittens on the forums) and we ran a fractal 3 with people that were quite new to the game <2000 AP. And it went pretty smooth.
As long as people get what they expect of the run, they wont be annoying. This so called stigma of loudmouths comes from idiots that say they know how to do something when they dont or when they insist on doing it differently than the rest of the group and then they go complain on the forums… (the ones complaining on the forums – generally from both camps [casual & so called “elite”] are the bad ones that cause the problems)

EDIT: i’ve posted LFGs with the sole requirement of being a lvl 80 and this lvl 28 shows up in AC… didnt read, didnt even have the minimum level for the dungeon (and yes, i waited until he got in the instance to kick)

J Eberle.9312:

While we’re at it, I’m upset that I have to do open world mapping to get my legendary. It’s forcing me to play a game mode that I don’t like to get something that I want. I know a great many players who are bored of open world mapping and so I don’t think that this requirement is fair. This is simply a tactic to get dungeon hardcores like me to go out and do open world content. I would prefer it if I just had to get dungeon master instead because I only do dungeons. I also spend lots of money on gems and so my opinion is probably worth alot. Really I think it’s important that GW2 gets with the program and stops forcing someone into playing content that they don’t enjoy.

Basically its this kind of logic. And the reason it’s flawed is because of a few things-

When you want something, its different to when you need something. When you want something you should be prepared to make some sacrifices or do things that you may not want to do. Eg, I want these new clothes, I have work some extra shifts to pay for them. When you need something you may also need to make sacrifices, however you may also have a bit more entitlement to something if you need vs. want.

We play a game now with many different people who all play differently. What you may not like, others may enjoy. Not everyone is going to be happy about doing ‘a’ to get ‘b’. I like doing dungeons but I want an ascended armour/weapon set so that my dungeon runs are even better. I have to do something I don’t want to and farm dragonite in open world and WvW etc. Meanwhile somebody else wants a legendary and needs 500 dungeon tokens and he hates dungeons. That’s just how it is. Maybe, somewhere along the way while we’re off doing things we wouldn’t normally do, we discover something we enjoy in doing it. Hey maybe open world isn’t so bad, maybe fractals aren’t that bad. etc. Or maybe we continue to hate those things. Either way though, if you want something, you need to be prepared to make a sacrifice because we live in a world where everyone is different and while you may hate fotm, there’s probably someone out there who’s really happy that fotm relics are what’s required instead of having to endure more living agony.

I understand what your saying but to be far anet has been saying and I agree that LS should stay with LS, Fotm to be far is far from LS (besides that 1 map) and currently isnt about of this LS. So it does make sense that we SHOULDNT need relics. It doesnt even make sense to need relics or AR either (it doesnt fit well) it feels forced on us.

About the +5ar, it became account bound 2 weeks before this back came out… hmmmm I wonder why…. :/

Fractals are a pretty frustrating aspect of the game for me. There is an absurdly high percentage of runs with rage quitters, which meant that I ended up just assuming fractals were cursed for me. I haven’t played them since Fractured and am dreading returning, but I really want the bloodstone sink.

I like that the backpiece sends you on a treasure hunt throughout Tyria.

I like that it reminds players to re-visit mini-dungeons.

I like that it makes players fight certain bosses for the first time ever.

I like that it encourages players to try out fractals.

You don’t have to master any of these, just try them out (at fractal level 2… it’s doable even without ANY fractal knowledge).

It wouldn’t have been an issue before the Trait Revamp, but now it’s scary now knowing if players have them unlocked or not, and they could be in your group. Traits are needed and game-breaking without them for fractals or any other dungeon.

I don’t like fractals because they combine 2 things in the game I do not enjoy playing, dungeons and jumping puzzles. I also only tried them a couple of times the week they came out and had bad experiences with other players (yelling, name calling, quitting, etc.), and for that reason I have not played them since. I do however want to craft Mawdrey to get Mawdrey II, so I decided that I would bite the bullet and do my 5 days of Fractals.

Today was my 2nd day doing them, and to tell you the truth, I had fun. I was lucky enough both times to be with groups that were nice, patient, and real team players. They were L1 and L2 groups, and I let them know ahead of time that I had no Fractal experience. It wasn’t a problem, and both days, we completed the entire Fractal in less than an hour.

Sometimes in this game, as well as in life, you may have to do things you do not enjoy as much as others. But, you need to weigh it against getting something you want out of doing it. 100% map completion (which included WvW) and doing two dungeons for a week were not fun for me either, but I did them because I really wanted to craft my 2 Legendarys. The pain at this point, over a year later, is forgotten when I get to use my Legendary weapons, also knowing I crafted them myself.

So, IMO, If you want Mawdrey II bad enough, take an hour or two a day for 5 days and just do it.

Or wait for mawdrey 2 (is some form) to hit the gem store. Starting to think that was why it was in fractals……

Gator.5729:

Where in the LS do yo have to do Fractals to finish it? The parts and pieces for the backpiece are rewards for the LS. You can complete the LS and build the exotic backpiece without ever stepping foot in the Fractals. The Fractal relics are only for creating the ascended version of the backpiece. If you arent doing fractals you dont need ascended items. The stat gain for the ascended vs. exotic back piece is almost nothing.

The stats for the exotic back piece are set in stone. Those for the ascended one are selectable.

Doghouse.1562:

Gator.5729:

Where in the LS do yo have to do Fractals to finish it? The parts and pieces for the backpiece are rewards for the LS. You can complete the LS and build the exotic backpiece without ever stepping foot in the Fractals. The Fractal relics are only for creating the ascended version of the backpiece. If you arent doing fractals you dont need ascended items. The stat gain for the ascended vs. exotic back piece is almost nothing.

The stats for the exotic back piece are set in stone. Those for the ascended one are selectable.

Part 2 exotic is selectable.

Liston.9708:

Doghouse.1562:

Gator.5729:

Where in the LS do yo have to do Fractals to finish it? The parts and pieces for the backpiece are rewards for the LS. You can complete the LS and build the exotic backpiece without ever stepping foot in the Fractals. The Fractal relics are only for creating the ascended version of the backpiece. If you arent doing fractals you dont need ascended items. The stat gain for the ascended vs. exotic back piece is almost nothing.

The stats for the exotic back piece are set in stone. Those for the ascended one are selectable.

Part 2 exotic is selectable.

My apologies; you’re correct. I’d made it but not really looked at it.

Although, having done so, I’d have to disagree with the stat gain comment above. Stat gain from the Ascended back piece is more than twice that from the comparable Exotic. (Cleric’s, for example: Healing +55 vs +22; Power and Toughness both +35 vs +16. And, sure, we could argue about how much they’re worth in the grand scheme of things – but if those from the exotic are worth having at all, the step up to the ascended is worth having as well.)

Faux.1937:

I understand what your saying but to be far anet has been saying and I agree that LS should stay with LS, Fotm to be far is far from LS (besides that 1 map) and currently isnt about of this LS. So it does make sense that we SHOULDNT need relics. It doesnt even make sense to need relics or AR either (it doesnt fit well) it feels forced on us.

About the +5ar, it became account bound 2 weeks before this back came out… hmmmm I wonder why…. :/

The Lost Shores is (kinda) a LS update, introduced Fractals.
Both Molten Facility and Aetherblade Retreat were added to Fractals along with the Thaumanova Reactor (which gives some Lore I guess), all of this during the Fractured update as part of the LS.

Thus, Fractals are very well a part of the living story.

Doghouse.1562:

I’d have to disagree with the stat gain comment above. Stat gain from the Ascended back piece is more than twice that from the comparable Exotic. (Cleric’s, for example: Healing +55 vs +22; Power and Toughness both +35 vs +16.

The exotic version has an upgrade slot that can be filled with an exquisite jewel for another +25/+15/+15. The ascended version comes with higher base stats because it can’t be upgraded that way.

The exotic version then adds up to 47/31/31. The difference is then only 8/4/4.

So I did my third day tonight. Another wonderful group. We got disconnected because of the DoS attack when we were almost done with the third Fractal. When I logged back in, the ones who got back in first were waiting. We waited for our group to return, and finished the Fractal. Awesome run, and a very nice feeling.

Hello frands! Vee Wee here, #1 Engi NA and world first rank 80!

Never before has Vee Wee seen such unwarranted entitlement! Vee Wee really wanted the Mistforged Hero Skins! Vee Wee hates WvW! Absolutely hates it! Roaming is just running for 30 minutes hoping to find one decent person to fight against! Maybe you find that person! More often you don’t because on the offchance you do find a person, the people in WvW are so bad at PvP! Zerging is just so terrible! Mash auto attack! Then pick up loot bags! So dull! But Vee Wee grinded out the achievements needed to get the skins! Vee Wee did not complain!

So the moral of the story is suck it up you entitled little brats! It’s only 5 Fractals! 5 days max! It didn’t take like 4 weeks like what Vee Wee went through! At level 10 they take like 30 minutes tops!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I really don’t get it.
You just need 5 pristine relics. Only 5.
You can do 5 fractals from level 1 to 5 and you’re done.

Fractals under level 10 do not require agony and you can complete them in 40 minutes (or 1 hour) with a full exotic zerk party if you know what you have to do. And if you don’t know the dungeons, why do you pug? If you don’t have friends that do fractals, why don’t you ask a pve guild to help you?

I know that is the first LS ascended back that requires fractals, and looking it from this angle I could agree with your whining; but the fact is that: it’s not a big deal. The bonus it gives you is almost zero, it’s just a nice prestige item.

I like that you have to do specific and not generic things to work on that item. It points people to things they woulnd’t see otherwise, which is a good thing. The requirements are really low too.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I like that you have to do specific and not generic things to work on that item. It points people to things they woulnd’t see otherwise, which is a good thing. The requirements are really low too.

I consider it an action to exclude people and show no respect for what they want to do with their time. I personally have little issue with exclusive rewards for different aspects of the game (so long as they’re aesthetic), but this cross-over garbage makes me angry. If ANet wanted this to be a Fractals reward, the process should have began and ended in Fractals, and not included something with a unique function.

I know ANet and their stauncher fans like to present it as positive encouragement, but to me it’s an imposition that I simply won’t tolerate.

I was lucky enough to have some tokens left from back when i did fractals when they put them in…but yea i understand your pain. Fractals overall is a failed experiment they don’t want to let go of…so they want to force u to play it by making it seem it’s important to the story.

Why is it bad to give people a variety of things to do in order to work towards a goal? I don’t get that attitude from players in GW2, at all. You should show mastery of different aspects of the game in order to qualify for something extraordinary. This is only the light version (5 fractal relics, seriously?), imagine what you’ll gonna have to do when precursor-crafting goes life.

Maybe one or two guys will never finish this backpiece because they don’t touch fractals, still it’s a win for Anet if only 20% of the players who learn to know fractals this way find out that they enjoy it and continue playing. (about myself: I always hated the dungeon-speedrunning/elitist attitude but I tried fractals anyway and found out it’s actually really fun since there are tons of players out there who enjoy casual runs also)

While we’re all complaining, I’m upset that I have to log in and do stuff to get Aether.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Why is it bad to give people a variety of things to do in order to work towards a goal?

Why is it bad? We seem to have gone from meta-rewards that rewarded participating in the latest story/update to “rewards” that are nothing but tokens to push players into unpopular old content. That’s not just bad, it’s insulting.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I don’t get that attitude from players in GW2, at all. You should show mastery of different aspects of the game in order to qualify for something extraordinary.

Uh-hu. You and I view that backpiece rather differently, I think.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

This is only the light version (5 fractal relics, seriously?), imagine what you’ll gonna have to do when precursor-crafting goes life.

I imagine I’ll have to do nothing at all. What use is a precursor to someone not crafting a Legendary? Do remember that on a forum not every individual shares the same complaints. I’ve never asked for precursor-crafting.