Guild Wars 2

Why did Anet waste developer resources on making a dungeon that will only be available for 2 weeks (April 30 to May 12.)? I don’t understand this.

This dungeon is part of the Living Story. It is designed to be part of the story line. Once the story line moves on (in three weeks) the dungeon will be redundant in terms of the story’s time line.

ANet is doing something different from other MMOs with their Living Story. It is presenting the story with timely components. Enjoy them while they are here, then prepare to move on to the next thing.

Without meaning to steal somone elses idea (cant remember who suggested it) however the best suggestion iv ever heard was to have a story-teller NPC that you could replay any old content for the living story and event narratives.

Think of the amount of content that would be available if something like that were to come out. What with halloween, lost shores, xmas and now living story, theres alot of content that the developers have needlessly deemed as temporary.

Let me set the scene; A player begins his guild wars 2 life late this year. he says, ‘this is a cool game, how long has it been out?’ Another player says; around a year and a half now. The original player then asks, ‘So what content is new? I heard they update every month’, the other guy unfortunately has to tell the new player; ’Yea they do, however most of the stuff they implement content wise is temporary… You get to play it for a month if that… I could tell you everything youv missed but im pretty sure your not gonna like that as anet still havnt added ways to replay them.

USE YOUR IMAGINATION ANET AND STOP MAKING TEMPORARY CONTENT.

Well I just hope its actually challenging, and has cool skins as a reward. Just wondering where all the frost stuff is. After all it is “Flame and Frost”.

Khyber.2693:

Well I just hope its actually challenging, and has cool skins as a reward. Just wondering where all the frost stuff is. After all it is “Flame and Frost”.

Did you miss the ice storms and ice geysers in Wayfarer’s Foothills. Plenty of ice for everyone. lol

Vayne.8563:

Khyber.2693:

Well I just hope its actually challenging, and has cool skins as a reward. Just wondering where all the frost stuff is. After all it is “Flame and Frost”.

Did you miss the ice storms and ice geysers in Wayfarer’s Foothills. Plenty of ice for everyone. lol

Apparently I did, but my point is most of it seemed focused on the flame part xD

Khyber.2693:

Vayne.8563:

Khyber.2693:

Well I just hope its actually challenging, and has cool skins as a reward. Just wondering where all the frost stuff is. After all it is “Flame and Frost”.

Did you miss the ice storms and ice geysers in Wayfarer’s Foothills. Plenty of ice for everyone. lol

Apparently I did, but my point is most of it seemed focused on the flame part xD

Most people prefer flaming sword to icy swords. Guild Wars 1 proved this. lol

The point is to create urgency for players to log in, so you couldn’t say “oh, I’m playing something else, I may come back for this in a month or so.” They want you to log in NOW. At least that’s how it works from the marketing stand point. I do not necessarily agree with this approach, but hey – free new content is free new content, even if it’s limited time only.

I made this delicious chocolate cake, but I don’t know why because all life is pointless and eventually I will die.

(An aspect of time-limited content is the concept of rarity/scarcity that can drive public activity towards said content, temporarily increasing activity or focusing it upon desirable activities. Creating a constant stream of time-limited content is a method by which said activity may be prolonged without said content growing stale and allowing players to settle into disinterest and overfamiliarity, while also fostering the perception of a development team that is consistently building upon what they have created, further increasing the value of their initial work.)

danbuter.2314:

Why did Anet waste developer resources on making a dungeon that will only be available for 2 weeks (April 30 to May 12.)? I don’t understand this.

that’s a good question – i was certain that it will be there for at least a month. The better question at the moment however is – why did they spend so much resources on dungeon that doesn’t even work?

Guys you are really being un fair, they are aware of the issue and will fix the problem very soon.

On top of that, you are complaining about Live one time event Content which is a step of a different direction than rehashed repeated boring contented of World of Warcraft which only provides content every 3 months and so call proclaim that it will never happen again.

Honestly people, no resources were wasted, the more different variety of content they can throw out for people to enjoy or try something different, makes the MMO much more alive than the current ones we know that are out dated.

Shadowlancer.7102:

Guys you are really being un fair, they are aware of the issue and will fix the problem very soon.

On top of that, you are complaining about Live one time event Content which is a step of a different direction than rehashed repeated boring contented of World of Warcraft which only provides content every 3 months and so call proclaim that it will never happen again.

Honestly people, no resources were wasted, the more different variety of content they can throw out for people to enjoy or try something different, makes the MMO much more alive than the current ones we know that are out dated.

well atleast WoW don’t call a patch a xpac worth of content.
since the living story came out WoW has 2 patches out 5.1 and the new raid teir 5.2 with 5.3 around the corner what did gw2 get ? 30mins worth of a story maybe per month?

Think of this like an extended Karka event. At least it gives us two weeks and not hours to complete it.
I am hoping the rewards are significant since it is so limited.

I would also really appreciate a way to redo the content at a later date. If it was an issue of really good rewards being limited time, then there’s a simple fix. Run it once for your rewards and then a flag is set. Afterwards you only get normal dungeon type rewards.
Maybe I’m just dreaming/hoping here.

I am happy to wait until the bugs are worked out before jumping in. Nothing worse than almost finishing a dungeon and being kicked out for a patch.

raiden.9024:

Shadowlancer.7102:

Guys you are really being un fair, they are aware of the issue and will fix the problem very soon.

On top of that, you are complaining about Live one time event Content which is a step of a different direction than rehashed repeated boring contented of World of Warcraft which only provides content every 3 months and so call proclaim that it will never happen again.

Honestly people, no resources were wasted, the more different variety of content they can throw out for people to enjoy or try something different, makes the MMO much more alive than the current ones we know that are out dated.

well atleast WoW don’t call a patch a xpac worth of content.
since the living story came out WoW has 2 patches out 5.1 and the new raid teir 5.2 with 5.3 around the corner what did gw2 get ? 30mins worth of a story maybe per month?

It actually causes me physical pain to agree with this, but this guy has a point. Even Blizzard who is notoriously slow at putting out new content is moving faster than Anet these days.

Are you people serious?

Patch 5.1 and Patch 5.2, more dailys and more dailys. A joke of a story.

Patch 5.3 offers more dailys.

Making more scenarios which is no different than what Guild Wars 2 offers in dungeons.

On top of that, they are doing their own Living Story by removing Garrosh as leader which again, is no different than this “Living Story – Frost and Flame”.

Also to copy Guild Wars 2 even more, they are completely changing PvP gear by removing resilience, on top of that PvE gear now down Ilvls to PvP gear.

Making more PvP cosmetics which Guild Wars 2 already does for their PvP fan base.

Seriously people, if you call World of Warcraft patches, content, you are crazy. Nothing that WoW has done to offer in content is original and can be related right back to Guild Wars 2 content.

Edit: Also I want to just point this out.

I notice that in the new patch for World of Warcraft content, they are copying Guild Wars 2, even more.

By changing their loot system drastically to get loot much more often where as in Guild Wars 2, getting loot is not an issue and allows you to group up with anyone.

This also include WoW nerfing the Reputation requirements for gear and nerfing the cost of purchasing gear, to almost nothing.

There are also adding a new battle ground in because Guild Wars 2 offers different battlegrounds almost every 1-2 months. Which is way more progressive that WoW’s PvP with Arena and BGs.

Since WoW abandoned World PvP like Wintergrasp and Conquest for any future content of that field, WvWvW exist in Guild Wars 2 which is a HELL alot more impressive than WoW’s version of World PvP and GW2’s version host hundreds of players.

can u show me were gw2 added a new raid with lots of bosses a story island were the server had to work together to unlock add a new island with big dinos and 2 world bosses, even 5.1 was telling a story so your making my point shadowlancer

gw2 in that time maybe maybe 1 hr of content in 3 months. vs what WoW has done in the same time you just cant compare and im not blizzards biggest fan either.

@ raiden.9024

Raids my friend are so… 2006.

I went back to WoW and played a single month of subscription during patch 5.1 to 5.2 and took me 1 week to level up to 90, 1 week to get gear from dungeon while doing (LFR-Looking for Raid), wasted a week on almost exalting all the reputations, in the final week I had gotten most of the LFR gear and was looking for a 10 man /25 man raid.

You know what was so kitten annoying about this?

- Looking for active raiding guilds.
- Looking for an active raiding guild that was doing older raid content so I could get back to getting use to raiding.
- Looking for a none drama raiding guild that met my time lines.
- Listening to people argue and debate what do in the raid after researching and watching other videos and QQ about raid wipes on “Ventrilo”, “Team Speak 3”, “C3”, and a bunch other 3rd party talking programs; during the raid hours.

I am sick and tired of people saying that an MMO needs to have raids! No it doesn’t, its old its boring and if you dont kill the boss, you dont see the content now do you?

And yes LFR exist but other players in that entire base belittles you if you dont have normal raid gear.

If that’s the kind of MMO you want, stay on World of Warcraft, but DO NOT bring your vile putrid ways to Guild Wars 2.

You are not welcomed here!

World of Warcraft will always be a joke of an MMO and will always copy/steal other MMO ideas that catches on with the population.

There is nothing you can say that can convenience me or plain fact in the history of MMOs; otherwise.

Note: Also you said you wanted proof about raids in GW2, well there is a topic on general forums about the raids put in for Orr Zone and you can read the discussion there. Alot of people find it boring because it uses similar ideas and mechanics of a standard raid is, that WoW uses for expansions every patch/expansion update.

your missing the point raids or other stuff WoW added more content than gw2 in the same time, Blizzard didn’t spam the web with CONTENT WORTH OF AN XPAC ?

most ppl who play WoW enjoy casual raids (LFR sees to that) as for your list there is no raiding guild that doesn’t make that list lol that’s what raids are about ppl.

lol beliitles for not normal gear in LFR lol 15 ppl can afk and still down bosses stop making things up

I don’t currently play WoW sorry if u think I did :P I just keep up with the news to see if I want to go back.

GW2 should add more DE events more stuff in open world that’s what sells gw2 more boring dungeons no thx more time limited events meh ill pass

@ raiden.9024

Wait… wait wait a minute here. If you don’t play World of Warcraft, how in the world do you even know what a raid is?

You can read about it, but doesn’t mean you have first hand experience it.

You just contradicted yourself mate on your entire point. Good Show!

Sigh… see were I said " keep up with the news to see IF I WANT TO GO BACK" see that back part that would allude to the fact I have played WoW in the past don’t u think ?

@ raiden.9024

Problem is mate, you said you “were” playing WoW. I have no idea when you left and/or when you went back, or what raids you are exposed too.

You are basically pointing yourself out to be an out dated player that is just basically throwing out air that Blizzard offers more than Guild Wars 2, yet you are no longer a player.

I have to say mate, it was a good try to Troll your way in this discussion, but I see you have a lot of to learn if you want to be a WoW fan boy or bother to compare accurate video game data up for debate to even make yourself or your points valid.

Edit: Grammar/typo clean up.

ok Played WoW 6 years raided every Teir in the game is that enough info for you ? I take breaks now and again im on one atm.

iv played gw1 for 6 years aswell

and your just showing your spoiling for a fight to “prove” your right. When the facts are out there u cant hide behind meh wow sucks quotes. two content patches with a 3rd on the way building the story for the 4th when gw2 has added 3 small 30 mins stories in the same time. can you show me more gw2 content that WoW did in the same past 4 months ?

@ raiden.9024

The only thing you have proven to me my friend, is that your only idea and arguments are statements of information from World of Warcraft that you want to believe WoW has offered more content than Guild Wars 2.

I played the game from patch 5.1-5.2; first hand experience. You no longer play. You can throw out any information just to make sure sound like you know what you are saying.

I also have played on the (PTR-Public Test Realms) of Patch 5.3. All that content, heck, Mist of Pandaria expansion, is nothing more than copying Guild Wars 2 content.

Nothing is original. Now mate, I’ll give ya a real chance. You give me a list of WoW’s Time line of content, which I have my version right here and updated as always; and try to tell me what is an original idea or better content that WoW has given that is not a copy of Guild Wars 2.

Then I will politely sit here and post all my notes which reflects the times and dates of what Guild Wars 2 has offered that World of Warcraft did not copy/steal for their own and called it “Mist of Pandaria”.

yeah your right WoW copies GW2… I give up and bow to you your sooo right how could I ever thought otherwise

IF you truly belive that WoW copies GW2 there is just no point talking to you. If your talking about story based content

yeah TBC never had any lore leading up to the raids
wrath of the lich king wasn’t a whole xpac leading up to killing arthas

like I said I don’t love WoW I play it and gw1 sorry that I can see things objectively

@ raiden.9024

Actually I find it more hilarious that you think World of Warcraft game content are original and never copies from other MMOs.

Your world is so… small.

Edit: And ideas from Movies as well.

Just to add to the discussion, rather than attack people, are you saying Shadowlancer that GW2 is adding content on pace with traditional AAA MMO’s? I could support that argument if the content was a mix of permanent and temp (Living Story) things to do…but it isn’t. Admitting in a press release that no expansion will come out in 2013 leaves 16-17 months of no widespread content releases for this title. Of course given their head count as a company, and their focus to do “creative” or “within the manifesto (whats left of it)” rather than expanding the gameplay makes sense within their development context. But to defend it? Really?
I’m not bashing the game or saying another title is better, I’m just looking for additions to the “Menu” of gameplay that wont be affected if I go on a vacation for a week or two, or heaven forbid, get busy at work.

Because this is the best way to make SURE you come back every month to check the new changes in the game.

Taking part of the new content and getting exclusive skins will be what makes your characters unique.

They (Anet) actually got a great way to keep people hooked up, you may not like it, but you can’t deny it works.

Didn’t bother reading the new post because I wanted to prove a point in about the topic of “Raiding” in question, when I was arguing with “raiden.9024”.

This is another top raiding guild that is known threw out the world for players that play Blizzard, that is now quitting.

For those that are not familiar with this, these top raiding guilds are what drived “Blizzard Game: World of Warcraft” known as “Elitist players” for PvE Raiding and whether people want to debate or deny that such players had any part of shaping WoW, these Top raiding guilds are what made the decisions of making World of Warcraft expansions.

So here’s the quote:

Exodus

" Yes, I’ll confirm the news here for anyone not in the loop or questioning the rumors. will no longer continue to function as a 25 man raiding guild. No plan to go 10 man as of yet, but that really doesn’t matter because 25 man is what the hardcore raiding scene really is about and Exodus will no longer be competing in such a scene.

Why? How? Well this game isn’t to blame. In the last few years this game (despite many people quitting and guilds dying) isn’t to blame for vodka/Exodus’ demise it’s the raiding community. I don’t mean this is a pointing the finger sort of way, it’s an inevitable sort of flaw in the competition of the top end raiders. You see… we’ve basically been killing ourselves off slowly since day 1.

In the last few years we’ve certainly picked up the pace, but the “hardcore raider” is a dying breed and it’s certainly becoming a more difficult breed to be a part of. What I mean by this is of course the time commitment and the level of shear dedication and determination it takes and costs to be at the very top. This isn’t to poke fun, but to just shed light of why many people, and subsequently, many guilds will fall. Raiding for many many hours on end is fun, CAN be exciting, and at the end of it all can really prove who really wants that world first/us first/realm first the most.

Unfortunately we (hardcore raiders) pushed too hard. Tier after tier we just keep adding to the insanity in both farming preparations and actual progressing. It’s almost as if progression itself never really ends after a end tier boss dies.

Right now there are a few legit world first guilds left. The competition is slim because the competition is literally eating each other (well not that literally). Good luck to everyone left in the race for this expac, but I don’t know how much longer this sort of thing can last. "

Now going back to my point with “raiden.9024” about the topic of “Raiding”.

Now again this is the 5th or 6th guild that is resigning from its position due to the fact that video games like Blizzard tried to make raiding so hard and so competitive that even they could not handle it, and in the end, left hard core raiders regretting the path and decisions they walked on as a whole guild.

Each guild that has resigned except for 1 or 2, has been so burnt out in “Raiding” that most of them don’t even want to try for even 10 man raids.

So again, I hope Guild Wars 2 and Elder Scrolls Online are reading these resignations that “Raiding” in Blizzard’s version, is bad for an MMO and that the proof is there that is not required in a video game to make a video game great.

Noted: That there has been no specific information of what “Raiding” is in TESO version of what they think it is, but I seriously hope they take note, what version of “Raiding” kills even the most devoted of players for what was in the end, unnecessary and out of bounds.

Edit: Clarification

For anyone that wants to Troll or Mislead this post. Here’s what was argued. That Blizzard offered more content than Guild Wars 2. Basically anyone who has played World of Warcraft knows what was added and that Guild Wars 2 content is a lot more viable that tries to do new things and new ways. If you like rehashed content over the course of 5 years or more, never changing, never different, then WoW’s for you.

What content means to Blizzard is the following categories: Raids (LFR, Normal, Heroic) modes, Battle Grounds (PvP), Arenas (PvP), Dailys, Dungeons (Normal, Heroic, Medal Runs) modes, and Gear Farming.

Patch 5.1: Dailys, Raids, PvP
Patch 5.2: Dailys, Raids, PvP
Patch 5.3: Dailys, PvP, and Scenarios (Which is no different than Living Story)

This sums it up but I am sure this can be debatable.

Hyperbole much a rank 14 guild quits cause they can’t catch the top players shocking when you listing all these guilds u are talking abou 1% of the population.. Lol they complained they had to do all content every day to keep up with paragon who gets paid to play so what has paid players in hardcore guilds that = 1% of the population got to do with WoW giving more content than gw2 in the same time.

raiden.9024:

Shadowlancer.7102:

Guys you are really being un fair, they are aware of the issue and will fix the problem very soon.

On top of that, you are complaining about Live one time event Content which is a step of a different direction than rehashed repeated boring contented of World of Warcraft which only provides content every 3 months and so call proclaim that it will never happen again.

Honestly people, no resources were wasted, the more different variety of content they can throw out for people to enjoy or try something different, makes the MMO much more alive than the current ones we know that are out dated.

well atleast WoW don’t call a patch a xpac worth of content.
since the living story came out WoW has 2 patches out 5.1 and the new raid teir 5.2 with 5.3 around the corner what did gw2 get ? 30mins worth of a story maybe per month?

And yet Blizz still will not fix the problems with cross realm and they don’t want you to play the old zones. No they just want you to play all the new stuff. Really they may be putting more out but you have to ask is it making the game better or wrose?

Blizz is killing WoW the way they are doing things and it won’t be long before more people get wise to what they are doing. I can’t even level any alt at my own speed any more. And for get aboutu queing for any low level raids no they don’t want you to do that.

raiden.9024:

your missing the point raids or other stuff WoW added more content than gw2 in the same time, Blizzard didn’t spam the web with CONTENT WORTH OF AN XPAC ?

most ppl who play WoW enjoy casual raids (LFR sees to that) as for your list there is no raiding guild that doesn’t make that list lol that’s what raids are about ppl.

No I played WoW because I used to like the game not because of the raids. It was not until MoP came out that I saw WoW for what it really is. It’s just all about being level 90 or 95 or what ever the next level will be and old content be kitten They should have just had it go WoW, BC, and WOTL.

Then Cata and MoP could just be WoW2 in which they add all the crap that they added more raids does not = better. It also does not mask the massive problems they have with the grinds and the cross realm they put in. Maybe if they fix there problems I will one day go back. Until then I’m done with WoW. I will stick with GW2 because I’m not being pushed to get to top level just so I can see so called end game raids.

Firegoth.6427:

Because this is the best way to make SURE you come back every month to check the new changes in the game.

Taking part of the new content and getting exclusive skins will be what makes your characters unique.

They (Anet) actually got a great way to keep people hooked up, you may not like it, but you can’t deny it works.

Also a great way for the NCSoft accountants to drop in and scream ‘You did what with all that money and manpower, only to turn around and throw it all in the trash??’ before going home and suggesting to the Korean parent company that Arenanet needs to go the way of Paragon…I’m starting to wonder if maybe they want to be shuttered.

@cryforthemoon

are we really going to start who didn’t fix what cough nerco pet ai 8 months and counting. But I agree blizzard is killing WoW the only way WoW will die is due to them not another game tho, but what did u mean u cant level an alt at your own pace ? you can only level when you quest/kill I don’t get what u mean on that one can u explain ?

level 60 raids I wouldn’t want to pug with lvl 60s lol they are still kinda hard :P + fear spams, mind controls, use of tactics, the need for a frost mage ect it would be a wipe fest be lucky they don’t do it

raiden.9024:

@cryforthemoon

are we really going to start who didn’t fix what cough nerco pet ai 8 months and counting. But I agree blizzard is killing WoW the only way WoW will die is due to them not another game tho, but what did u mean u cant level an alt at your own pace ? you can only level when you quest/kill I don’t get what u mean on that one can u explain ?

level 60 raids I wouldn’t want to pug with lvl 60s lol they are still kinda hard :P + fear spams, mind controls, use of tactics, the need for a frost mage ect it would be a wipe fest be lucky they don’t do it

Yes yes we are because after playing for six years I can tell you that MoP is a really really big let down. I had high hopes for it and it killed my love for WoW. All it is about is end game end game end game. And Yeah it would be fun to run really hard raids.

Oh and really you are comparing a game that came out in 2004 which is not even the same game any more to a game that is not even a year old.

That’s the funnesit thing I have ever read. What is even funnier is that you have three groups of people WoW fanboys, MMORPG fanboys and hate WoW, and then you have MMORPG fans.

I like WoW but I like the WoW that was out before Cata and MoP. I’m enjoying GW2 far more then WoW and I hope that ESO will be really good to.