Guild Wars 2

Arriving at the instance, I knew Rytlock’s ritual would fail from the start, the simple reason being, that while Duke Baradin’s Manor was an important cultural site from GW1 and thus a powerful spiritual site for ghost; it simply was not were the curse began, as such, does not hold the heart of the curse, and thus, is not where the curse can be reversed. In a similar fashion, Orr’s corruption could only be ended or, purified, at its source. So if we stay true to the lore, the natural rules that bind the order in which the world of Tryia functions, demands that this too, must be accomplished to rid old Ascolan of its ghost.

That means that why this ceremony is not inherently wrong, it was simply a matter of where it was cast. King Adalburn’s sword struck the location now known as the Foefire’s Heart, so named, quite literally, because it is the heart of the Foefire, with the Foefire being the curse. It is therefore only natural that this too, is where the curse should be reversed. Why this was not apparent to Rytlock is beyond me, but I predict when it tries again, it will be there -or perhaps, the mist parallel of the same location- that he strikes. And it shale be there that he succeeds.

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

holly crap i didnt think of that awesome

Rurik will possess rytlock, thus allowing him to escape the mist for the time being to remove the curse. The loading screen shows a fiery rytlock, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how he looks possessed.

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

That would be awsome. Hopefully Anet reads this and if they have something different in mind change it to this. As gw1 player i could live with that in contrast to Rytlok solving this on his own.

Muchacho.2390:

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

That would be awsome. Hopefully Anet reads this and if they have something different in mind change it to this. As gw1 player i could live with that in contrast to Rytlok solving this on his own.

there’s only one problem;

All the gods are MIA. And if you say “they can come back.” That would be a HORRIBLE idea. The dragons go for the strongest source of magic, and any god that comes back would have a big “EAT ME” sign over their head.

Serophous.9085:

Muchacho.2390:

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

That would be awsome. Hopefully Anet reads this and if they have something different in mind change it to this. As gw1 player i could live with that in contrast to Rytlok solving this on his own.

there’s only one problem;

All the gods are MIA. And if you say “they can come back.” That would be a HORRIBLE idea. The dragons go for the strongest source of magic, and any god that comes back would have a big “EAT ME” sign over their head.

Ahh i like mainly the rurik part, so the grenth part doesnt need to be there… (actually i dont care about the grenth part)
Sorry if i wasnt precise enough.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

While that would be truly awesome and amazing to not only see Rurik again but lay eyes on one of the gods for the first time!…. There are some holes that ruin it.

Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have it happen, but…

Sohothin and Magdaer where gifts to the Ascalon royalty from Orr about the time the Guild Wars started in Tyria, before that they had existed in the Orrian royalty for countless years. Prob. a thousand since the time of the Exodus. Rurik only got his hands on Sohothin because he was Adelberns son, and Adelbern was king so he had the right to display such an amazing gift to the nation. I mean, Ascalon had thousands of replicas made, so that must mean everyone felt pride in their nation owning the swords. And kinda begs the question why out of the countless people who handled it, Sohothin would return to Rurik. It’s more then likely Rytlock and Rurik have both owned the sword for an equal amount of time.

Again sorry to poke holes in your theory, I would love for it to be, just…. just yeah.

Serophous.9085:

Muchacho.2390:

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

That would be awsome. Hopefully Anet reads this and if they have something different in mind change it to this. As gw1 player i could live with that in contrast to Rytlok solving this on his own.

there’s only one problem;

All the gods are MIA. And if you say “they can come back.” That would be a HORRIBLE idea. The dragons go for the strongest source of magic, and any god that comes back would have a big “EAT ME” sign over their head.

I figured they stayed in their own realms. You DO meet Grenth during the Order of Whispers side of the Orrian Invasion personal story quests after all. He helps you out there and then goes back to his realm.

Thats just a reaper of Grenth, not Grenth himself. Grenth had 7 reapers, who were actually mortals back in the days of Dhuum, aiding Grenth in taking the cruel death-gods place.

While a unique entrance (such as the one opened by Sohothin) to the Underworld could happen, i have the impression that Rurik would be in the Hall of Heroes instead of the Underworld. He was a hero after all (Lich necromancy aside), or the Fissure of Woe, given that he was a great warrior as well.

Im mostly on the opinion that much of Rythlock’s sources were wrong. There are some small mistakes or overall too great generalizations he jumps into just before we begin the mission, meaning that he says things that are barely compatible with established lore. Maybe he was grasping at straws, trying to find a way to heal Ascalon, and was ready to believe things that the many scholars of the Durmand Priory dismissed for good reason.

Lets be honest. Rytlock failed because anet is too lazy to do something as ballsy as to remove most of the Ascalon ghosts.

So is the OP insinuating that we may venture to the ….. “Underworld” Dun DUN DUN!

TheDraco.3965:

Lets be honest. Rytlock failed because anet is too lazy to do something as ballsy as to remove most of the Ascalon ghosts.

this and I think Rytlock was just first from Destiny’s Edge to die (yes, I think we won’t see him again)

Snaff was the first member of Destiny’s Edge to die, actually.

There’s nothing strange about the location of the ritual. Rytlock (cheekily) doesn’t mention what he learnt from his studies, but I suspect the site was chosen for this reason:

Duke Barradin was brother to King Adelbern’s predecessor to the throne and should have been crowned instead of Adelbern, but did not press his claim. Adelbern and Rurik were not the rightful heirs to the throne. Barradin was. Barradin’s the one who’d need to take possession of Rytlock to complete the ritual. He’s no stranger to possession, if you think back to charr character creation! But would he be willing to end the Foefire curse? That’s the question that needs to be asked.

TheDraco.3965:

Lets be honest. Rytlock failed because anet is too lazy to do something as ballsy as to remove most of the Ascalon ghosts.

I think it isn’t just laziness, but also the fact that they’d have to completely redesign a lot of quests, events + skillpoints and fill areas will new enemies. Heck, even two events which you did during this episode wouldn’t be working anymore.

Rurik may not have held the sword the longest, but he WAS the last Ascalonian heir to do so. Rytlock entered a portal to the Mists, which includes ALL of the gods’ realms and the Underworld. I do have a strong feeling that Rytlock will encounter Rurik’s spirit in the Mists. I’d love to see that meeting. Perhaps we’ll finally find out how the sword came into Rytlock’s possession as well!

As for why he failed, I suspect Rytlock needs more than just the crown and Sohothin. He needs Magdaer and someone of Ascalonian blood as well (HINT HINT: Logan, much as I hate to admit it).

Or Wade Samuellson, who is mentioned in the Vigil storyline as having been descended from Ascalonian kings.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

All of my characters have been returning the dead (the “everyone, COME!!!”) variety found in Orr and elsewhere) to Grenth where they belong. What more could he possibly want?

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

This would be sooooooooo cool!!!

i hope they explain how rytlock got sohothin, i hate how rytlock when ask by our PC how he got the sword he said irrelevant. kitten give us some lore. that what makes any story interesting.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

i hope they explain how rytlock got sohothin, i hate how rytlock when ask by our PC how he got the sword he said irrelevant. kitten give us some lore. that what makes any story interesting.

I saw that an immediately thought ‘oh wow! Anet knows what we’ve been thinking this whole time!’

And then rytlock says irrelevant.

You could easily replace that dialog with a rickroll :’(

Serophous.9085:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

i hope they explain how rytlock got sohothin, i hate how rytlock when ask by our PC how he got the sword he said irrelevant. kitten give us some lore. that what makes any story interesting.

I saw that an immediately thought ‘oh wow! Anet knows what we’ve been thinking this whole time!’

And then rytlock says irrelevant.

You could easily replace that dialog with a rickroll :’(

$5 says they explain it through the next parts of Dragon’s Reach. Hell, a “the sword chooses its owner and magically appears before them” explanation would work after the end of this episode.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

A precursor

Are you sure he really failed? This could lead up to some other part of the game that hasn’t been released yet. We could have another Rytlocke’s Challenge, except now he’s in the underworld.

I also feel that the Flame Legion could be involved. I really don’t see any resemblance to Rytlocke at all in that screenshot where it shows a flamey charr. The reason I think the Flame Legion could be involved is because they probably rely on the Ghosts of Ascalon to put continuous pressure on the Black Citadel. If the ghosts are forever gone, then Smodur can levy a huge chunk of pressure onto the Flame Legion themselves. They would have every reason to involve themselves and thwart that plan.

I mean we can all speculate, but let’s be honest here. I don’t think he failed anything. He just may not have accounted for all the probabilities that could happen. When asked he says "It’ll work because I say so… " Well, it’s not hard to establish that Rytlocke can be full of himself.

I’m not saying this is what’s going to happen, only that it exists in the realm of plausibility. Unlike lots of other folks who are just trying to tell how it is like they got inside information on it.

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

Exactly. Kinda like the royal tombs in Orr PS.

Only difference being that it’s the opposite, Rytlock knew the source but had to see if the ritual would even work on a small area.

In PS, Trahearne did the ritual at the Royal tombs, got a bit of response, but then we figured out it wasn’t the source.

Serophous.9085:

there’s only one problem;

All the gods are MIA. And if you say “they can come back.” That would be a HORRIBLE idea. The dragons go for the strongest source of magic, and any god that comes back would have a big “EAT ME” sign over their head.

Of course, gods are also very powerful beings so I don’t think the dragons would have that easy a time. The couple spirits of the wild held back Jormag long enough for the Norn as a RACE to flee south.

Also they aren’t MIA, they simply stopped talking to humanity all the time.

Ramethzero.3785:

Are you sure he really failed? This could lead up to some other part of the game that hasn’t been released yet. We could have another Rytlocke’s Challenge, except now he’s in the underworld.

I also feel that the Flame Legion could be involved. I really don’t see any resemblance to Rytlocke at all in that screenshot where it shows a flamey charr. The reason I think the Flame Legion could be involved is because they probably rely on the Ghosts of Ascalon to put continuous pressure on the Black Citadel. If the ghosts are forever gone, then Smodur can levy a huge chunk of pressure onto the Flame Legion themselves. They would have every reason to involve themselves and thwart that plan.

I mean we can all speculate, but let’s be honest here. I don’t think he failed anything. He just may not have accounted for all the probabilities that could happen. When asked he says "It’ll work because I say so… " Well, it’s not hard to establish that Rytlocke can be full of himself.

I’m not saying this is what’s going to happen, only that it exists in the realm of plausibility. Unlike lots of other folks who are just trying to tell how it is like they got inside information on it.

…his intention in the ceremony was to completely end the curse on all ghost, yet he failed to do so, managing only to remove some when he meant to banish all; I’m not saying he didn’t do a good thing, but he certainly failed at destroying the curse.

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

While that would certainly make sense, it was never stated or implied. By his actions and words, he was intent upon ending the curse then and there, and I truly believe he was trying to do so.

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

While that would certainly make sense, it was never stated or implied. By his actions and words, he was intent upon ending the curse then and there, and I truly believe he was trying to do so.

I’m actually believing Rytlock had the wrong item and chant for the ritual. He really need a blowfish and say “Yo Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao…”

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

While that would certainly make sense, it was never stated or implied. By his actions and words, he was intent upon ending the curse then and there, and I truly believe he was trying to do so.

Yes it is. He flat out tells you that is why he’s going into the Tomb first.

videoboy.4162:

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

While that would certainly make sense, it was never stated or implied. By his actions and words, he was intent upon ending the curse then and there, and I truly believe he was trying to do so.

Yes it is. He flat out tells you that is why he’s going into the Tomb first.

Yeah check the dialogue. He says hes just testing it out on the ghosts in the Barradin vault.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

i hope they explain how rytlock got sohothin, i hate how rytlock when ask by our PC how he got the sword he said irrelevant. kitten give us some lore. that what makes any story interesting.

I too want to know that story. But then again, I’m just going to stick to the fact that he just got it as a spoil of war.

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

Yes to all of this.

:D

I get the idea that Phil Thackeray will become a hero, and cleanse the Foefire. (He is Logan’s second cousin, twice removed)

I too have a sneaking suspicion that when Rytlock was “researching” how to cleanse the curse, he saw a ball of yarn and got distracted. Therefore, he missed out on some vital information because he was all like "meow purr purr*.

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

…his intention in the ceremony was to completely end the curse on all ghost, yet he failed to do so, managing only to remove some when he meant to banish all; I’m not saying he didn’t do a good thing, but he certainly failed at destroying the curse.

You could be under the impression that his ‘testing phase’ of the ritual of banishing was supposed to have instant and long term results.

Not everything is so black and white and here and now. There are plenty of actions that require time to see completely unfold. I wouldn’t be so quick to judge it. That’s why he was ‘testing’ in the first place.

megakittytron.5971:

I too have a sneaking suspicion that when Rytlock was “researching” how to cleanse the curse, he saw a ball of yarn and got distracted. Therefore, he missed out on some vital information because he was all like "meow purr purr*.

I would love to know what about Rytlocke has given you the impression that he is as soft and fluffy as a common housecat.

Ramethzero.3785:

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

…his intention in the ceremony was to completely end the curse on all ghost, yet he failed to do so, managing only to remove some when he meant to banish all; I’m not saying he didn’t do a good thing, but he certainly failed at destroying the curse.

You could be under the impression that his ‘testing phase’ of the ritual of banishing was supposed to have instant and long term results.

Not everything is so black and white and here and now. There are plenty of actions that require time to see completely unfold. I wouldn’t be so quick to judge it. That’s why he was ‘testing’ in the first place.

Wasn’t his dialogue kinda explicit about it being a test?

“This is a place of power, perfect spot to test the ritual” something like that?

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

And then the a portal opened to what is assumed to be the mists sucking Rytlock, the sword and a bunch of ghosts with them.
Well I guess it does sort of make sense, the mists is sort of where the afterlife is located so breaking the curse would have sent all those spirits to the mists.

TheDraco.3965:

Lets be honest. Rytlock failed because anet is too lazy to do something as ballsy as to remove most of the Ascalon ghosts.

I don’t think lazy is the correct word. Certainly it would take a lot of effort to revamp Ascalon, probably months worth of effort…

nearlight.3064:

videoboy.4162:

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

While that would certainly make sense, it was never stated or implied. By his actions and words, he was intent upon ending the curse then and there, and I truly believe he was trying to do so.

Yes it is. He flat out tells you that is why he’s going into the Tomb first.

Yeah check the dialogue. He says hes just testing it out on the ghosts in the Barradin vault.

My bad, prehaps I missed that… in which case he actually succeeded, as it proved to have favorable results. Still, my hypothesis remains unalterd; that, for the ritual to succeed, it must be preformed at the foefire’s heart.

CureForLiving.5360:

I don’t think lazy is the correct word. Certainly it would take a lot of effort to revamp Ascalon, probably months worth of effort…

Ghosts are so integral to the plot they couldn’t remove them. They could remove them story wise. Since Zhaitan is technically dead, the risen are becoming weaker and dying out. Instead, we see the pact losing temples because the players failed to defend it. I think even if they removed the Foefire, we would still see the ghosts because they are so integral to the experience for players playing through for the first time.

“According to legend, if either this sword or its sister returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest.”

The reason it failed is because Rytlock isn’t a rightful king of Ascalon.

All of the heirs of Ascalon kings are dead… except for one that we know of… Commander Samuelsson.

I believe Ebonhawke will become a very important location for us to visit soon.

Morsus.5106:

CureForLiving.5360:

I don’t think lazy is the correct word. Certainly it would take a lot of effort to revamp Ascalon, probably months worth of effort…

Ghosts are so integral to the plot they couldn’t remove them. They could remove them story wise. Since Zhaitan is technically dead, the risen are becoming weaker and dying out. Instead, we see the pact losing temples because the players failed to defend it. I think even if they removed the Foefire, we would still see the ghosts because they are so integral to the experience for players playing through for the first time.

It would create a large tonal shift, and change the the general feel of the zone. Which I guess would be a bit of a waste.
Although I do think it’s possible to have partial successes. Adding new events chains in which we partially cleanse an area (much like how we capture Temples in Orr, and just as temporary). It would at least create the feel of Ascalon being cleansed without having to remove all the ghosts, hearts and events.

I also though they could add new ascalonian maps that show this cleansing, much like how I always wanted Anet to add new Orrian maps that also depicted it being cleansed (new maps that progressively have less Risen and more green meadows). Although unlike Orr (which is only half explorable) I don’t see a lot of extra room for new maps in Ascalon http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Tyria_map_with_zones.jpg

Boose.6201:

“According to legend, if either this sword or its sister returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest.”

The reason it failed is because Rytlock isn’t a rightful king of Ascalon.

All of the heirs of Ascalon kings are dead… except for one that we know of… Commander Samuelsson.

I believe Ebonhawke will become a very important location for us to visit soon.

Hail King Samuelsson!

crosses fingers

I’m sure the treaty would split the kingdom but who cares. To have Ascalon back would be amazing.

Prophet.6257:

Boose.6201:

“According to legend, if either this sword or its sister returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest.”

The reason it failed is because Rytlock isn’t a rightful king of Ascalon.

All of the heirs of Ascalon kings are dead… except for one that we know of… Commander Samuelsson.

I believe Ebonhawke will become a very important location for us to visit soon.

Hail King Samuelsson!

crosses fingers

I’m sure the treaty would split the kingdom but who cares. To have Ascalon back would be amazing.

Don’t forget that the charr occupied ascalon before the humans. I mean, that was the whole reason they started the in gw1, to take back their land once they had their own ‘gods’

Lord Faren is a descendant of Duke Barradin, hence he’s the true heir of Ascalon, and the only one who can break the curse. That’s my theory anyway. lol.

Morsus.5106:

Since Zhaitan is technically dead, the risen are becoming weaker and dying out. Instead, we see the pact losing temples because the players failed to defend it.

Actually, it was stated that the Risen would still be a threat for a long time. But NOW they aren’t steadily growing larger. Now they are slowly decreasing in number as they can’t make more Risen easily.

Boose.6201:

“According to legend, if either this sword or its sister returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest.”

The reason it failed is because Rytlock isn’t a rightful king of Ascalon.

All of the heirs of Ascalon kings are dead… except for one that we know of… Commander Samuelsson.

I believe Ebonhawke will become a very important location for us to visit soon.

Besides the fact they weren’t close to Ascalon city… It was a test, not the full ritual.

nexxe.7081:

Lord Faren is a descendant of Duke Barradin, hence he’s the true heir of Ascalon, and the only one who can break the curse. That’s my theory anyway. lol.

Only the ruler of Ebonhawke is stated as “descended from the kings of ascalon” :P

Hopefully Robin Atkin Downes then voices Rurik, again…

RyuDragnier.9476:

I have a sneaking suspicion we need Rurik himself to fix this, and the sword was fully aware of that, opening a portal to the underworld because it is trying to return to its rightful owner. So within the next few weeks we will travel there ourselves to get Rytlock back, only to meet Rurik, who will probably mention the PC’s similarities to the GW1 PC, and help us. Of course this also means we have to probably make a deal with Grenth to get this done, and there’s no telling what he’ll want in exchange.

That sword belonged to Adelbern.

Rurik’s sword is broken. You need to fix that one first.

As for Grenth, considering all old resurrection skills no longer work and you need long and complicated rituals to resurrect something (eg. Baelfire), it’s likely that Grenth is no longer in the Underworld and Dhuum got free and is actively preventing resurrections again.

Dhuum was known for strictly forbidding resurrection, while Grenth would allow them when it people died “before their time”.

That’s why players no longer ‘resurrect’ no matter how much they ask “rez plz” while defeated under Tequatl’s left foot. Players never die. Only NPCs do, and only if you can’t use a revive skill on them.

Serophous.9085:

Don’t forget that the charr occupied ascalon before the humans. I mean, that was the whole reason they started the in gw1, to take back their land once they had their own ‘gods’

That the Charr “only” wanted Ascalon back is GW2 lore, i think one needs to differentiate between the games here or see it as the Charr’s subjective point of view as of “today”/GW2 time.

In GW1 they wanted to eradicate the “infestation” that was humanity for them. The driving force for this may have been the shamans or the Titans, but the Charr went on to Orr and Kryta after the Searing, they did not stop in Ascalon.

And originally the Charr came from east of the Blazeridge mountains and Ascalon was not their homeland. If one argues that Ascalon became their homeland during the time they lived there then it became human land during the thousand years that humanity lived there as well.

Or one can take the Charr’s approach and say that the forceful expulsion of the Charr from Ascalon by humanity justifies the Charr’s actions a thousand years later, which i find to be unacceptable.

On topic, i am glad that Rytlock failed. He should end up in the Realm of Torment, if any of it still exists, but that’s just my opinion. I assume he failed because he was neither at the “right” place, which is most likely the heart of the Foefire, nor was he the “right” person to succeed. I do not find it to be logical that a Charr can lift the curse, but we do not even know where the “Prophecy” how to lift the curse came to be.

I would not be surprised if Rytlock would try to find Prince Rurik, to whom Sohothin may have gone. Entering the Hall of Heroes should be impossible for Rytlock though.

Maybe the whole situation is connected to how Rytlock got Sohothin, it feels liek there is something more to it (if it isn’t simply a bad conscience that makes him refuse to tell how he got it). No matter how he got it, Sohothin is a human heirloom and does not belong to a Charr. Even more so if he simply plundered it from somewhere.