Guild Wars 2

Mysterious stone
Weirded Phantasmal Residue
Vial of Sacred Glacial Water
Resonating Chaos Orb
Polarized Ley line Infused Stone
25 bricks of clay
Pile of Elemental Essence
Pile of Crackling Ley Line Dust
Water of Rhand

Yup, all deletable junk because you decide to force us into content we hate.
What is so hard to understand about the fact that;
WE HAVE TRIED THE OTHER CONTENT AND DONT ENJOY IT OR WANT TO PLAY IT!?!

I’m glad Fractals are there for those that enjoy it. Why force us into stuff WE’VE DONE AND KNOW WE DONT WANT TO DO AGAIN?

Please stop this. I will never do fractals again. Same with PvP. I’m not saying get rid of it, I’m saying stop forcing us.

You have succeeded in making the Living Story the DEAD Story. Now I have to wait on all new content to see if the rewards/goals are tied to other totally unrelated content again.

So, yeah, thanks for the junk that’s not even tradable or sellable.

Force you into content you hate? You didn’t HAVE to play the LS you know, if you don’t care for it, don’t play it. Not playing it is not keeping you from any part of the game whatsoever. I’m not really sure what you are trying to get at though…

Thanks for the comment. CLEARLY the content of the Dead Story was acceptable until they tied the rewards to other content.
That being fractals.

I still don’t get what your complaint is…

Are you upset that you didn’t care for the LS, but felt obligated to play it? Or that once you did the LS, you got a bunch of stuff used to craft an ascended backpack that eats bloodstone dust, but didn’t want to do the other aspects of the game to finish it?

Wow, you sound angry.

First off, these are components for Mawdrey, and Mawrdrey really has nothing to do with the Living Story at all. There’s no mention of it at all in the NPC dialogues. You don’t HAVE to craft Mawdrey, you know? It neither blocks your story progression on a technical nor on a lore/immersion level. These items help you with an optional side-quest for the bored.

Personally, I found it super-awesome to go on a treasure hunt / paper chase for those items. It showed me areas of the game that I had neglected since first map completion. It reminded me of content I’d forgotten. It showed me one or two things I didn’t even know existed.

Same with the Luminescent collections, that send me to other map to find one or the other item to imbue with those post-boss pollen clouds.

It is my hope and wish that ANet does lots and lots more of these.

Yes you are missing my point entirely.
To me the point of doing content is mostly for the reward.
Although, some content can be rewarding in and of itself, the reward is the main goal.
All the rewards received from that part of the DEAD STORY are worthless unless you do the fractals also. They are also not easily attainable. The rewards CANNOT be sold so they are worthless inventory space takers ONLY!
After 2 years, I’ve played all the different types of content and now only play the parts
I ENJOY.

Here is the exact question;
What possible reason is there to force us to do other content that we HAVE TRIED AND DONT ENJOY, just to give the rewards from the DEAD STORY any value at all?

Aaah gotcha.

I can get that you don’t care for the LIVING STORY, and don’t care for doing fractals to get the one piece needed for the back piece.

However, you are still not forced into obtaining the back piece. It’s not a special reward for doing anything. It’s a side quest, and an optional one at that. If you feel compelled to obtain it, then the fault lies on your end. It’s not required for anything. It only gives a small stat increase, not so much to even be troubled with, and is such a small bonus as it makes no difference even in WvW. It’s not Anets fault. If you don’t like to do certain content, then don’t. It’s simple really. But if you still feel the need to have all the shinys in the game, then you’ll have to accept that there are some things you’ll have to do (read: work) to get it.

So, what are you saying? In specifics?

• ANet should magically know that Tumult.2578 doesn’t like fractals, so put all rewards anywhere in the game EXCEPT fractals?

• ANet should make all rewards obtainable in all different playmodes, so you should be able to build Mawdrey by playing only WvW OR only fractals OR only PvP OR only dungeons OR only open world maps OR jumping puzzles…?

Because the content YOU don’t want to do is different from the content other players don’t want to do. What about people who want Mawdrey but hate playing the living story instances? Did you think of them too?

As it stands, certain rewards come from certain areas of the game. I want to complete my spoon collection, well I guess I have to WvW for 20 minutes. It’s not something I usually do, but if I want the reward bad enough, I will. I don’t necessarily want to play the Togonn fight without being hit by his air walls and sand pools, but golly, if I want the reward, I think I’ll try. Luckily, LFG is full of people who are happy to lend a hand and share tips and tricks, or even carry you through story instances or fractals or dungeon paths if required. I kind of hate the Wurm fight, but if I really really want the Wurmicidal achievement, I can find a guild to help me get it and then never return. Or I can decide to just not get it. All the options are there!

But I guess going on the forums and yelling at people works too.

No Pixelpumpkin, I’m not saying either. Requiring either of the options you present are absurd and not what I am saying.

If you had actually read this thread you would see that I’m glad that other content is there for those that want to do it.

Please answer me as to why we must do other totally unrelated content just to give the large number of hard to obtain story rewards ANY VALUE?

“They want everyone to experience all parts of the game” is not an answer. It’s all been experienced.

and Pdavis; I did enjoy the story, until they started tying reward into other unrelated content. I’m not forced to do anything. unless I want the rewards I received from the story to have ANY VALUE. Don’t you suppose everyone wants their efforts to be rewarded with something of value when they complete content?

So, hold on . .

If you’re not going to do Fractals, why not just delete the items? Throw em away?

Tumult.2578:

No Pixelpumpkin, I’m not saying either. Requiring either of the options you present are absurd and not what I am saying.

If you had actually read this thread you would see that I’m glad that other content is there for those that want to do it.

Please answer me as to why we must do other totally unrelated content just to give the large number of hard to obtain story rewards ANY VALUE?

You’re saying you should be able to make Mawdrey with JUST the living story rewards. But then what about people who want the item but don’t want to play through the story instances? Then all of a sudden it is okay to force THEM to play content THEY don’t like?

Then I repeat my question, how would you do it? Please be specific!

Dispite the fact that they were intended as a REWARD, that is exactly what I did because they are valueless.

I don’t care about Mawdrey at all. I just want the rewards I receive for completing content to have value without being forced into other unrelated content just to make those rewards valuable in any way.

These items were added as part of a scavenger hunt type thing. They wanted everyone to do several different types of content (of which you are aware). I think the fractals requirement is really the only content requirement that most people have a problem with (ive seen several topics about it).

To address your main issue (items are worthless if you only do LS), I’m not sure how they could make a scavenger hunt that would start with usefull items and make them better. It is a lot of items that are non tradeable (although if you turn those bricks into a pot, you can sell it on TP), but i think it does help most players in the game that have a lot of time and need something to work toward ( i know i made a lot of gold selling the tradeable items needed for the backpiece)

Your only real options for them is to store them and hope you want to do fractals/JPs/whatever else is needed or destroy them and go to the second half of the season, where it rewards armor skins from the LS instead of scavenger hunt items.

Thanks for understanding the issue Gobble D Gopp.

I suspect they could easily make the majority of the story reward items sellable so they would have value and then make the unrelated content required reward unsellable.
That way everyone that wants the scavenger hunt item can do all the unrelated content and those that want to play just the living story actually receive a reward.

Tumult.2578:

Dispite the fact that they were intended as a REWARD, that is exactly what I did because they are valueless.

It would seem in this case, that it all depends on what you deem to be of “value”. To you these items are worthless, as you don’t want to do fractals to get the final item. However, there are also others, myself included, who do find value in those same items. While many of them do not have a coin value attached, the do open up a quest chain that takes you through many aspects of the game. To me, at least, there is MORE value in having a goal to work toward, and recieving a cool item at the end, then just having a coin value attached. Being able to buy the items off the TP cheapens the item, and becomes a case of perceived “Pay to Win”. The same argument is made countless times over the Legendaries being sold on the TP.

Also as a side note. You say you enjoyed the Living Story, yet have referred to it as the DEAD STORY, which strongly implies that you don’t like it, and would rather not play it, or just have it removed from the game.

Wow, Pdavis. You really have no understanding of the issue.
What is wrong with wanting the content I do to have a reward?

You want MORE value? I want ANY value. Add more content in the same game area or repeat the content for MORE value. There’s still no value to the living story rewards now.
Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from anyone to complete the MORE value content you seem entitled to.

I enjoyed the Living Story and hope to again. It is now the Dead Story to me because it has no reward. Please read the content of the thread before you comment.

Ok first: I have read the entire thread, and do understand the issue. You want to be rewarded for doing those parts of the game that you enjoy. There is nothing wrong with that. You should be rewarded for doing those things you enjoy. Thats not what I’m saying at all.

Secondly: You stated “All the rewards received from that part of the DEAD STORY are worthless unless you do the fractals also”, “Please answer me as to why we must do other totally unrelated content just to give the large number of hard to obtain story rewards ANY VALUE?” and “I’m not forced to do anything. unless I want the rewards I received from the story to have ANY VALUE.”

In short, you are saying the the rewards gained from the living story are worthless, unless you do an aspect of the game that you don’t like. And because you don’t like fractals, and are not going to do them, then said rewards have no value.

You went on to say “I suspect they could easily make the majority of the story reward items sellable so they would have value…”, which strongly implies that said items will only have value if there is a coin amount attached to them.

So as I see the matter, you feel that the story rewards are worthless and hold no value because it requires you to play a certain aspect of the game. However, “value” is a VERY subjective term, and in this case you seem to be using it as it applies to some sort of monetary amount. I disagree with that sentiment. I propose (again) that these items DO hold value, in that they are tools to have a fun and rewarding (monetary and otherwise) end result.

Now we are on the same page.
I totally understand your perspective and wouldn’t want any change to lessen the effort required to achieve the goal you are seeking. I totally get the need for more difficult content and the greater rewards it brings.

I used a monetary example of value but reward can take a number of forms.
If those Living Story rewards were crafting materials usable anywhere else, for example.

It’s all just pixels on a screen anyway, but if a game provides reward, whatever the form, and it does it consistently across all areas of the game, then this Living Story content should have also.

I wouldn’t be surprised if those Mawdrey components become useable as a crafting material for something else in the future. They should.

The Living Story gives you the items to craft up to the Cultivated Vine exotic back accessory. You don’t need to do fractal for that.

Didn’t you know, op? You’re not qualified to determine what fun is, for yourself is anyone else.

We want more people doing D and E. A, B and C get a lot of attention.

So, now you’ll have to do D and E to get Shiny Thing 1.

There doesn’t need to be any more complicated an explanation than that.

Simple: throw it away. After I completed Mawdrey that’s what I do with all that “stuff” on my alts when they complete their LS. Now how hard was that.

naiasonod.9265:

Didn’t you know, op? You’re not qualified to determine what fun is, for yourself is anyone else.

We want more people doing D and E. A, B and C get a lot of attention.

So, now you’ll have to do D and E to get Shiny Thing 1.

There doesn’t need to be any more complicated an explanation than that.

I don’t think thats what the OP was trying to say. After his initial rant, and confusing followups, it turns out that he is basically saying that the rewards from certain content should not be locking a player into a paticular game mode. And that said rewards should either be A) obtainable in other ways/game modes B ) usable for more than one paticular item, and C) at the very least be able to be sold to a vendor, if not the TP.

I can get behind that.

I can get behind it too.

I still determine if I basically don’t want the reward? I will put it on an alt I never play and never mention it again.

I don’t like to run fractals either, but doing 5 lv1 fractals is basically a walk in the park though and not difficult at all. The hardest part is just getting a group together for them.

Exactly what part do you need from Fractals, checking the wiki there isn’t a single item required for Mawdrey from Fractals unless you want the ascended version, which would make the OPs entire post moot. Unless someone wants to prove me wrong.

P.S. the only ingredient I see is a +5 Agony infusion, and that’s not even required for the basic back piece.

I fail to see the issue… I also the content I enjoy, or rather feel like doing, and Mawdrey was hardly the problem to accomplish? I had to stray from beaten path a little (oh, the horror!), and was reminded of a few fun activities I forgot about – and in exchange I have few backpacks I will never use, and a sink for Bloodstone dust.

If you didn’t want to get out of your comfort zone, why didn’t you just destroy the items and dust? It’s hella cheaper to throw it away than to grow the plant.

It’s almost as if you have to…do stuff to be rewarded

pdavis.8031:

naiasonod.9265:

Didn’t you know, op? You’re not qualified to determine what fun is, for yourself is anyone else.

We want more people doing D and E. A, B and C get a lot of attention.

So, now you’ll have to do D and E to get Shiny Thing 1.

There doesn’t need to be any more complicated an explanation than that.

I don’t think thats what the OP was trying to say. After his initial rant, and confusing followups, it turns out that he is basically saying that the rewards from certain content should not be locking a player into a paticular game mode. And that said rewards should either be A) obtainable in other ways/game modes B ) usable for more than one paticular item, and C) at the very least be able to be sold to a vendor, if not the TP.

I can get behind that.

Having now gone through all the follow-ups, yeah, I distill that out of it myself.

I didn’t even bother with Mawdrey. I had started and did a few things, but when I saw the amount of work required I said “oh dear, this looks like work, not fun, and a lot of time wasted. Also work for which I’m not getting paid. No thanks.”

Also, when first saw one and saw how ugly it is, I was like “eeew glad I didn’t bother”.

Also talking of junk. I get not being able to TP the various rewards and karma items, but for goodness sakes, at least be able to salvage them (and in some cases recover some expensive rune or sigil you’ve put in it), or if not, able to vendor them? It’s such a waste and it seriously triggers my OCD! lol

Zaklex.6308:

Exactly what part do you need from Fractals, checking the wiki there isn’t a single item required for Mawdrey from Fractals unless you want the ascended version, which would make the OPs entire post moot. Unless someone wants to prove me wrong.

P.S. the only ingredient I see is a +5 Agony infusion, and that’s not even required for the basic back piece.

wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mawdrey

You need a mist stone which can only be purchased with pristine fractal relics.