Guild Wars 2

Alright, i’m kittened. Just did a long-kitten post that my browser decided to erase., tyvm Chrome-san. So i will keep it short this time.

- I often have room issues, despite the 5 characters and Guild Bank’s Stash+Treasure Trove.
- I will upgrade 4 of my characters inventory, which means 16 bags.
- I have lv400 leatherwork = crafts up to 20slots leatherwork bags. Will get all the other skills to 400 once i have time ($$).
- Ignoring the other mat which is cheap and i can craft, because of the Holding Runes value: 18slots bags = 2g, 20slots bags = 10g.
- Balance, 20slot bags would coste more 32g for 8extra slots (per character) = 128g for 32slots.
- Im afraid to invest on 18bags to end up later on getting 20bags, and all the 18bags going to waste, so not sure what to do.
- I want to know different options to get the said bags. TP isn’t one, since people noobishly decide to sell Holding Runes at a higher price than the NPC himself.
- I eemember that you can get 20bags from Fractals exchanging rewards but not sure if it is worth it. Would like to know if there are more similar options (Karma, Dungeon badges, Badges of Honor).
- I didn’t check the other craftable prices for different kind of bags, but i’m assuming they are close and probably slightly more expensive.
- When you were (or if you would) be in a similar situation what would you do?

When I was in that situation I decided to buy 18 slot bags for all my characters. 1 invisible, 1 oiled, the rest normal.

However you go about doing it the extra cost for 2 extra slots per bag just isn’t worth it IMO.

@ point 6: Buy the 18-slot bags if you don’t want to invest in 20 slots, bags don’t bind (except the one you start of with or account-bound from events (wintersday) or Digital Deluxe (Mithril Storage Box)) meaning you’ll make a minimal loss if the prices stay steady because you can simply resell.

@ point 8: I find the cheapest (if you don’t care about the bags effect, which for plain storage shouldn’t matter) 20-slot bag (150 Fractal Relics) from BUY-4373 a decent price, would definitly consider getting those. How-ever there’re no other options (Glory Vendor used to be an option) as far as I’m away similar to this one.

Suggestion: Can’t you make another Guild Stash + Treasure Trove? You can be in up to 5(?) Guilds at the same time, surely you got another spot to save?

I’d never be in your situation I fear, 12 characters, I’m not a hoarder, nor a dedicated power-trader. So we can’t go to the ’what’d you do’ though it would likely be a second Guild cost/slot-wise. Especially with the Wardrope coming out, giving me tons of gear I can just delete which I otherwise kept for the skin.

I find the fractal boxes to be the best option by far. 150 relics is nothing.

I was thinking that maybe i should get them from fractals, because i don’t remember anything else that caught my attention when i checked the possible rewards, and if you guys say it as well..probably i could do that. Is there anything else that i could get with relics that is ’’important’’ and i should save up to get it? I know that it is hard to get obsidian shards, tho 15relics for 1 doesn’t seem fair; also there’s the Gift of Ascension, if i end up needing it won’t be anytime soon that’s for sure, but are there more ways to get it? Also, how many relics do you get if you do 1fractal per day, 25? I have 500 but never paid attention to it.

As for the second Guild Stash, i had no idea you could do that..i mean, it just didn’t cross my mind. Seems a pretty good option indeed, i’ll think about it. I just saw on other post that Anet doesn’t ‘tolerate’ ‘Bank Guilds’ so i’m afraid that the mega-server add could impact it somehow, let’s say, by deleting the 1man guilds or something..

I also didn’t know i could resell the bags, i just assumed they were acc bound. All this makes it easier to decide what to do. Also, now that it was mentioned, is there any real need to have ‘specific’ bags? I mean, i seem to always carry around all the usable weaps i can in every char, so maybe a ‘gear’ bag could be used, but again, a regular leather bag can do the job just the same way… does everyone gets 1kind of each bag or it doesn’t do much difference?

Thanks alot for the replies guys, were very useful

Ascended Fractal Capacitors?
Obsidian shards?

Ah, the Capacitors. I don’t like them that much, specially given the amount of relics necessary. I would rather spend Karma for a exotic backpiece at Orr (i believe they sell them there).

Pokecenter.3548:

Ah, the Capacitors. I don’t like them that much, specially given the amount of relics necessary. I would rather spend Karma for a exotic backpiece at Orr (i believe they sell them there).

Exotic < Ascended, and in Orr you can’t find many stat combos (I think only 1 or 2, actually). Fractal Capacitor is the cheapest BiS backpiece available.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

Pokecenter.3548:

Ah, the Capacitors. I don’t like them that much, specially given the amount of relics necessary. I would rather spend Karma for a exotic backpiece at Orr (i believe they sell them there).

Exotic < Ascended, and in Orr you can’t find many stat combos (I think only 1 or 2, actually). Fractal Capacitor is the cheapest BiS backpiece available.

I believe i’ve seen 2 stat combos there so far, but i didn’t check all the vendors and some of them only pop up after some events, so i guess there should be some more. The backpiece isn’t much of a concern for me tho. And you mean that the Capacitors are Ascended? They got a orange name, so can they be upgraded somehow? What does BiS stands for?

Pokecenter.3548:

What does BiS stands for?

Best in Slot

As for the Capacitor and it’s quality and upgrade potential:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prototype_Fractal_Capacitor

I did some math:
guild bank 50 = 10s/space
guild bank 150 = 30s/sapce
guild bank 250 = 42s/space
bank expansion = 1g80s/space
new character with 4×15-slot bags = 97s/space
new character with 4×18-slot bags = 91s/space
new character with 4×20-slot bags = 1g20s/space
character + 3 bag expansions with 7×15-slot bags = 1g52s/space
character + 3 bag expansions with 7×18-slot bags = 1g37s/space
character + 3 bag expansions with 7×20-slot bags = 1g65s/space
collection expander: at 1g20s/space for a bank slot, getting 1x collection expander would be cheaper if it saves 40 or more spaces (getting 2x would be cheaper if it saves 80 or more)

might be useful: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/46211-guildwars-2-inventory-and-you-maximizing-space-on-the-cheap/

Nice maths…..thanks!

I’ve always gone with the 15 slot bags, but I now have the gold & resources to upgrade to 18 slots.

Wait, the math doesn’t work. How can 18-slot cost less per slot than 15-slot? Something is very wrong. Did you, Mystic, take the additional cost and think it was overall cost, or something?

// new character with 4×15-slot bags = 97s/space
new character = 800 gems = 72g (ish)
4 × 15-slot bags = 4 × 1g = 4g
20 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 80 slots
(72g + 4g) / 80 = 95s/slot
// new character with 4×18-slot bags = 91s/space
new character = 800 gems = 72g (ish)
4 × 18-slot bags = 4 × 2g = 8g
20 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 18= 92 slots
(72g + 8g) / 92 = 87s/slot
// new character with 4×20-slot bags = 1g20s/space
new character = 800 gems = 72g (ish)
4 × 20-slot bags = 4 × 10g = 40g
20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 = 100 slots
(72g + 40g) / 100 = 1g12s/slot
// character + 3 bag expansions with 7×15-slot bags = 1g52s/space
new character = 800 gems = 72g (ish)
3 x bag expansions = 3 × 400 gems = 3 × 36g = 108g (ish)
7 × 15-slot bags = 7 × 1g = 7g
20 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 = 125 slots
(72g + 108g + 7g) / 125 = 1g50s/slot
// character + 3 bag expansions with 7×18-slot bags = 1g37s/space
new character = 800 gems = 72g (ish)
3 x bag expansions = 3 × 400 gems = 3 × 36g = 108g (ish)
7 × 18-slot bags = 7 × 2g = 14g
20 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 18 = 146 slots
(72g + 108g+ 14g) / 146 = 1g33s/slot
// character + 3 bag expansions with 7×20-slot bags = 1g65s/space
new character = 800 gems = 72g (ish)
3 x bag expansions = 3 × 400 gems = 3 × 36g = 108g (ish)
7 × 20-slot bags = 7 × 10g = 70g
20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 20 = 160 slots
(72g + 108g + 70g) / 160 = 1g56s/slot

I think I was using the sell listing price before, these new prices would be more accurate if you’re on a budget.
one 15-slot bag = 6s66c/slot
one 18-slot bag = 11s11c/slot
but the cost of the new character is so high in comparison that it is more economical:
72g/15 = 4g80s/slot
72g/18 = 4g/slot

It’s worth noting that Guild Banks cannot store account or soulbound items, while Banks can store and transfer items between characters. Soulbound items can also be deposited into banks, though other characters cannot withdraw them.

For these reasons, I recommend getting one bank expansion, a total of 8 characters and a level 1 personal guild bank. Then fill all 8 characters with 4 18-slot bags.

If you still run out there’s something quite wrong with the way you’re managing your drops, or you’re a major TP trader.

Hayashi.3416:

If you still run out there’s something quite wrong with the way you’re managing your drops, or you’re a major TP trader.

The word you’re looking for is ‘hoarder’

Pokecenter.3548:

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I just saw on other post that Anet doesn’t ‘tolerate’ ‘Bank Guilds’ so i’m afraid that the mega-server add could impact it somehow, let’s say, by deleting the 1man guilds or something..

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I would very much like to know who said that and where. If it wasn’t a dev, then they are wrong and just spewing uninformed and baseless speculation to induce undue fear and concern (intentionally or unintentionally).

When the account wallet was being implemented, dev’s actually encouraged players to make a personal guild for storage and more specifically for setting gold aside from their wallet due to the “bank-bank” no longer having the ability to keep gold stored as a safety precaution to prevent accidentally spending more than was intended due to always having all your coin on you.

If it was a dev stating that ANet doesn’t “tolerate bank guilds” then I want to know who it was so we can bring this matter of their changing their stance on “personal” guilds up for serious discussion and to cite the devs of the past who encouraged it.

StinVec.3621:

Pokecenter.3548:

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I just saw on other post that Anet doesn’t ‘tolerate’ ‘Bank Guilds’ so i’m afraid that the mega-server add could impact it somehow, let’s say, by deleting the 1man guilds or something..

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I would very much like to know who said that and where. If it wasn’t a dev, then they are wrong and just spewing uninformed and baseless speculation to induce undue fear and concern (intentionally or unintentionally).

When the account wallet was being implemented, dev’s actually encouraged players to make a personal guild for storage and more specifically for setting gold aside from their wallet due to the “bank-bank” no longer having the ability to keep gold stored as a safety precaution to prevent accidentally spending more than was intended due to always having all your coin on you.

If it was a dev stating that ANet doesn’t “tolerate bank guilds” then I want to know who it was so we can bring this matter of their changing their stance on “personal” guilds up for serious discussion and to cite the devs of the past who encouraged it.

I can’t find the post anymore, but I do remember it. It was from a player that was concerned that it might be against any rules, rather than stating it. His concern came from the fact Anet doesn’t restore any lost items from a guildbank, be it through hacking or players fault (e.g. server swapping before emptying the bank.) If someone does have the actual thread, that’d be great.

@ OP
TL;DR: You earn ~59 Fractal Relics per full run. Considerable rewards are the Fractal Ascended Backpiece requiring 1850 tokens (+other materials) or Ascended Rings (10 Prisitine Relics each, which otherwise trade for 15 Fractal Relics/each.)

Long version:
The Fractal Relics depend on the level of Fractal done:
1x Pristine Fractal Relic per daily which can be consumed for 15 Fractal Relics
20-40 Fractal Relics per daily, based on the Fractal’s level-tier.
4x 5-14 Fractal Relics at the end of each individual level, based on the Fractal level (5 Relics at 1-5, 6 Relics at 6-10, 7 Relics at 11-15 etc.)

So say you farm level 6 Fractals, which are rather easy, you’ll gain: 15+24+20=59 Fractal Relics per run, per day. (Every tier has it’s own daily chest if you feel like farming more.)

Common ways to spend Fractal Relics:
Prisitine Fractal Relics (10) trade for an Ascended Ring with stats of choice.
Fractal Relics (1350) trade for an Exotic Backitem without an upgrade slot (aka don’t get this unless you plan to make it Ascended) which can be upgraded to Ascended which will require another 500 Fractal Relics and another 500 Fractal Relics if you intend to infuse the backpiece (this goes for any Ascended backpiece) along with some other materials.
Other ways can be found on BUY-4373 wikipage

ANet has no problems with Bank Guilds, but because items stored in a Bank Guild are not linked to your account in any way, if someone hacked into your account and looted all your characters, then broke into your Guild Bank and stole everything, an account restore would restore your characters, but NOT anything stored in the Bank Guild.

Ok, I see the issue with your math….you are counting the Character slot costs as you are talking about a NEW character and I am talking about upgrading an existing one. Obviously doubling the cost of a bag and getting a 17% increase in storage is NOT economical…..(but I’ll likely do it as an “upgrade project” for main storage bags on my toons anyway).

Alright guys so i actually typed my answer yesterday but i wanted to edit if first and then i logged in gw2 so..short story im only answering now.

I’ll avoid quoting everyone because i don’t really know how to quote multiple people, other than copy pasting ^.^

I was thinking about using my relics for 20bags and going with 18bags for the rest, while i would restart doing Fractals daily, and then i could sell the 18bags to get my investement back. BUT i didn’t know the backpiece could be upgraded to ascended. So now i’m thinking that perhaps i should just go full 18bags, get the backpiece, and only after save relics for the 20bags and sell the 18slot ones. If i get ~59 per day it will stay take a while. Also i decided to get a higher PR (lv11 currently) up to 20 for now, and ill need some AR, so that i can start doing lv11 Fractals as daily in order to try to get some Ascended stuff from the Bonus Reward.

This is what i had in mind, but then i read someone’s thread where he wanted more character slots for storage purposes, and i reminded myself about another possibilitie – expanding my character slots; which Mystic soon after mentioned as well (good job with the math by the way!) and was talked about on the link he posted too, i feel silly for not remembering about it before :x Since there’s currently a 20% off on character slots till 16th maybe i’ll try to get it. There’s more to that than this, ideally i would like to have 1character of each profession, so probably i would end up with 8character slots anyway, so it would be smart if i grabbed the chances when they are around, as i’m not sure if they do those discounts often; also i’m afraid that the gems/gold rate keep raising and even if they do a promotion like that again (or maybe better) it ends up being more expensive than now ;( I still need alot of gold so ill first try to save enough and only after think about it.

As for the Guild Bank im glad to hear that Anet supported players in the past to use it in such a way, im more at ease now. I was thinking about upgrading it again, but i believe that alone would be 30g or something, but right now i got other priorities, and like was suggested a second guild could also do the trick – and in a cheaper way.

Thanks to all those who replied

before you go buying fractal bags, know this:
these bags sort your items, similar to the craftsman bags, except the fractal bags sort weapons, armor, and trinkets you find.
Uncommon Equipment Box: if any slots are available in this box, all green (masterwork) equipment you find will go here first
Rare Equipment Box: same but for rare equipment
Exotic Equipment Box: same but for exotic equipment

I know, but i don’t see any inconvenience with that, is it somehow bad? I mean, lets imagine that i get 4 Uncommon bags instead 4 Leather bags, it would be exactly the same right?

I also thought before about the advantages i could get, organization wise, if i had for example 1 leather bag, 1 oiled bag, 1 invisble bag, and so on, but i didn’t come to any conclusion.

I am often finding myself with a lack of space as well (I’m a pack rat). For me, I found that the best option has been the fractal bags. The amount of relics they cost is nothing. I didn’t bother getting the fancy ones that fill with rares…etc first. I just got the basic loot one. I find that I can afford a new 20 slot bag pretty easy by just leisurely doing fractals. So it wont be too much of a grind.

If you decide to go the fractal bag route, I am always looking for people to do them with (any level), feel free to add me and hit me up in game.

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Tessa

Pokecenter.3548:

I know, but i don’t see any inconvenience with that, is it somehow bad? I mean, lets imagine that i get 4 Uncommon bags instead 4 Leather bags, it would be exactly the same right?

I also thought before about the advantages i could get, organization wise, if i had for example 1 leather bag, 1 oiled bag, 1 invisble bag, and so on, but i didn’t come to any conclusion.

I really like using the different bag types for organisation. I always have an invisible bag in the lowest slot for anything I want to keep (at the bottom so random loot doesn’t get mixed in with my gear). I also have an oiled leather bag on all my characters so junk items are clearly separated from other loot, which makes it easier to see if I’ve got anything interesting quickly between fights.

And you’re right about the bag types. Any item can go into any bag, so if a ‘special’ bag is in the top slot or all the ones above it are full it will work just like a normal bag – all your loot will go in there. (Unless you have other special bags further down for that item type.)

So if you got an exotic bag and put it in the first slot everything would go in there, not just exotics. (This is why it’s a bad idea to put an invisible bag in the first slot, you then have to move everything down before you can sell it.)