Getting to Ember Bay
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or.. oooor.. hear me out..
or.. you could actually play the game and unlock the content in it’s intended way: playing the story..
or is playing the story suddenly a bad thing in a game?
Why is getting to the map without the story a bad thing?
In Core, I can reach Orr without the story. In HoT, I can reach Dragon’s stand without HoT’s story. What’s special about the three of the four new zones that I’m forced to do the story on every toon?
I’d be more supportive if the gating was limited to whether the story is unlocked, since that’s partly a business decision.
What I REALLY find confusing is Doric. Characters that have not done the story (even if you have the scroll) can not enter it through either of the gates. You can in Bitterfrost though.
Because you need to be given authorization to go through the gate which is part of the living story.
I forget the wording but you need permission for Winterfrost as well. Yet none of your characters can use the gate from frostgorge until someone has and afterwards all of your characters can.
You don’t need permission for that map. It’s tied to having Koda’s Flame which is account bound.
The maps are locked as it’s probably easier to do this with the story to keep those without it out. There are very cheap portal scrolls that give get other characters into the maps.
Thanks but having an item and having permission amount to pretty much the same thing in game terms. A character that did not do the bitterfrost story did not get the flame and a character that has a scroll for doric did not get permission to enter. Why should one be tied to the account and the other the character?
Yes, portal scrolls are cheep for the utility. The only one I have not bothered to get was bloodstone and that was because I did not have any UM saved up.
You missed the part when I said the Flame was account bound.
No, I did not miss it. Why should it be an account bound item where the ‘item’ (permission, but the same thing really in terms of game mechanics) is soulbound? Even in terms of lore it does not make a lot of sense to deny you to use the gate once you have been on the other side of it. Until anet says otherwise I am considering one or the other bugged as there is no reason for them to be different.
Feel free to call it bugged. If you followed the story, you’d see why they were different.
So if you get 100 widgets – 50 are account bound, 50 are soulbound – you do not consider it a bug? Since there were two teams obviously both took 2 different approaches and did not notice the conflict. Before you go ‘but, but, PERMISSION’ I will point out the other characters on my account were not given the torch either, it does not matter one jot how your first character got to the zone.
Every zone has had account bound scrolls to allow your other characters to access it. From that I am guessing the bitterfrost team had it correct – that gates from an adjacent zone should be accessible across your account.
or.. oooor.. hear me out..
or.. you could actually play the game and unlock the content in it’s intended way: playing the story..
or is playing the story suddenly a bad thing in a game?
Why is getting to the map without the story a bad thing?
In Core, I can reach Orr without the story. In HoT, I can reach Dragon’s stand without HoT’s story. What’s special about the three of the four new zones that I’m forced to do the story on every toon?
I’d be more supportive if the gating was limited to whether the story is unlocked, since that’s partly a business decision.
What I REALLY find confusing is Doric. Characters that have not done the story (even if you have the scroll) can not enter it through either of the gates. You can in Bitterfrost though.
Because you need to be given authorization to go through the gate which is part of the living story.
I forget the wording but you need permission for Winterfrost as well. Yet none of your characters can use the gate from frostgorge until someone has and afterwards all of your characters can.
You don’t need permission for that map. It’s tied to having Koda’s Flame which is account bound.
The maps are locked as it’s probably easier to do this with the story to keep those without it out. There are very cheap portal scrolls that give get other characters into the maps.
Thanks but having an item and having permission amount to pretty much the same thing in game terms. A character that did not do the bitterfrost story did not get the flame and a character that has a scroll for doric did not get permission to enter. Why should one be tied to the account and the other the character?
Yes, portal scrolls are cheep for the utility. The only one I have not bothered to get was bloodstone and that was because I did not have any UM saved up.
You missed the part when I said the Flame was account bound.
No, I did not miss it. Why should it be an account bound item where the ‘item’ (permission, but the same thing really in terms of game mechanics) is soulbound? Even in terms of lore it does not make a lot of sense to deny you to use the gate once you have been on the other side of it. Until anet says otherwise I am considering one or the other bugged as there is no reason for them to be different.
Feel free to call it bugged. If you followed the story, you’d see why they were different.
So if you get 100 widgets – 50 are account bound, 50 are soulbound – you do not consider it a bug? Since there were two teams obviously both took 2 different approaches and did not notice the conflict. Before you go ‘but, but, PERMISSION’ I will point out the other characters on my account were not given the torch either, it does not matter one jot how your first character got to the zone.
Every zone has had account bound scrolls to allow your other characters to access it. From that I am guessing the bitterfrost team had it correct – that gates from an adjacent zone should be accessible across your account.
And again. You’re missing the reasoning behind it. I suggest replayed the episodes up to the point that you can access to the maps. With each episode, pay close attention to how you got access.
or.. oooor.. hear me out..
or.. you could actually play the game and unlock the content in it’s intended way: playing the story..
or is playing the story suddenly a bad thing in a game?
Why is getting to the map without the story a bad thing?
In Core, I can reach Orr without the story. In HoT, I can reach Dragon’s stand without HoT’s story. What’s special about the three of the four new zones that I’m forced to do the story on every toon?
I’d be more supportive if the gating was limited to whether the story is unlocked, since that’s partly a business decision.
What I REALLY find confusing is Doric. Characters that have not done the story (even if you have the scroll) can not enter it through either of the gates. You can in Bitterfrost though.
Because you need to be given authorization to go through the gate which is part of the living story.
I forget the wording but you need permission for Winterfrost as well. Yet none of your characters can use the gate from frostgorge until someone has and afterwards all of your characters can.
You don’t need permission for that map. It’s tied to having Koda’s Flame which is account bound.
The maps are locked as it’s probably easier to do this with the story to keep those without it out. There are very cheap portal scrolls that give get other characters into the maps.
Thanks but having an item and having permission amount to pretty much the same thing in game terms. A character that did not do the bitterfrost story did not get the flame and a character that has a scroll for doric did not get permission to enter. Why should one be tied to the account and the other the character?
Yes, portal scrolls are cheep for the utility. The only one I have not bothered to get was bloodstone and that was because I did not have any UM saved up.
You missed the part when I said the Flame was account bound.
No, I did not miss it. Why should it be an account bound item where the ‘item’ (permission, but the same thing really in terms of game mechanics) is soulbound? Even in terms of lore it does not make a lot of sense to deny you to use the gate once you have been on the other side of it. Until anet says otherwise I am considering one or the other bugged as there is no reason for them to be different.
Feel free to call it bugged. If you followed the story, you’d see why they were different.
So if you get 100 widgets – 50 are account bound, 50 are soulbound – you do not consider it a bug? Since there were two teams obviously both took 2 different approaches and did not notice the conflict. Before you go ‘but, but, PERMISSION’ I will point out the other characters on my account were not given the torch either, it does not matter one jot how your first character got to the zone.
Every zone has had account bound scrolls to allow your other characters to access it. From that I am guessing the bitterfrost team had it correct – that gates from an adjacent zone should be accessible across your account.
And again. You’re missing the reasoning behind it. I suggest replayed the episodes up to the point that you can access to the maps. With each episode, pay close attention to how you got access.
In all 4 so far the character was given access (words and items varied, but that covers all 4) not the player. The other characters got access via another means (999,999 times out of 1,000,000 it was the zone scroll) but they were allowed into the zone after the first character got in. So far, doric is the only new map that a character can get access to but can not use the gate.
Looks like a bug. Smells like a bug.
or.. oooor.. hear me out..
or.. you could actually play the game and unlock the content in it’s intended way: playing the story..
or is playing the story suddenly a bad thing in a game?
Why is getting to the map without the story a bad thing?
In Core, I can reach Orr without the story. In HoT, I can reach Dragon’s stand without HoT’s story. What’s special about the three of the four new zones that I’m forced to do the story on every toon?
I’d be more supportive if the gating was limited to whether the story is unlocked, since that’s partly a business decision.
What I REALLY find confusing is Doric. Characters that have not done the story (even if you have the scroll) can not enter it through either of the gates. You can in Bitterfrost though.
Because you need to be given authorization to go through the gate which is part of the living story.
I forget the wording but you need permission for Winterfrost as well. Yet none of your characters can use the gate from frostgorge until someone has and afterwards all of your characters can.
You don’t need permission for that map. It’s tied to having Koda’s Flame which is account bound.
The maps are locked as it’s probably easier to do this with the story to keep those without it out. There are very cheap portal scrolls that give get other characters into the maps.
Thanks but having an item and having permission amount to pretty much the same thing in game terms. A character that did not do the bitterfrost story did not get the flame and a character that has a scroll for doric did not get permission to enter. Why should one be tied to the account and the other the character?
Yes, portal scrolls are cheep for the utility. The only one I have not bothered to get was bloodstone and that was because I did not have any UM saved up.
You missed the part when I said the Flame was account bound.
No, I did not miss it. Why should it be an account bound item where the ‘item’ (permission, but the same thing really in terms of game mechanics) is soulbound? Even in terms of lore it does not make a lot of sense to deny you to use the gate once you have been on the other side of it. Until anet says otherwise I am considering one or the other bugged as there is no reason for them to be different.
Feel free to call it bugged. If you followed the story, you’d see why they were different.
So if you get 100 widgets – 50 are account bound, 50 are soulbound – you do not consider it a bug? Since there were two teams obviously both took 2 different approaches and did not notice the conflict. Before you go ‘but, but, PERMISSION’ I will point out the other characters on my account were not given the torch either, it does not matter one jot how your first character got to the zone.
Every zone has had account bound scrolls to allow your other characters to access it. From that I am guessing the bitterfrost team had it correct – that gates from an adjacent zone should be accessible across your account.
And again. You’re missing the reasoning behind it. I suggest replayed the episodes up to the point that you can access to the maps. With each episode, pay close attention to how you got access.
In all 4 so far the character was given access (words and items varied, but that covers all 4) not the player. The other characters got access via another means (999,999 times out of 1,000,000 it was the zone scroll) but they were allowed into the zone after the first character got in. So far, doric is the only new map that a character can get access to but can not use the gate.
Looks like a bug. Smells like a bug.
Because out of four maps, only two have “gates”. If you followed the story, you’d see why both are different.
sigh One more time. Whether permission to use the gate was someone saying it or an item does not really make a difference. Basically, you do an instance and get access. In one that gate access is soulbound and in the other account bound.
Note that the other characters on my account did not do the chapter 3 instance so why should they have access to the gate? Other players exist out there that exist that did not do it so why should their characters be denied, right? After all some of us have access. In lore there is no difference if a character is played by one character or another.
Both chapter 3 and hot set the precedent. Once one character on the account can use a gate all characters on the account can use a gate. So why did chapter 4 break precedent?
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