Now my complaint in at least 30% of my match I’ve had people playing classes in pvp for the first time. they either don’t understand their builds enough thus dying alot, or they don’t know the map. I spent more time copy and pasting instructions and timers for “temple of the silent storm” and asking one of 2 thieves in party to change characters than organizing my own skills before the game.
In games that I’ve won 75% of the time it was with another bunker class. I spend more time managing Random teams then most, with the constant “don’t tell me how to play” in return. which is fine i anticipated that but in the case where we have 4 roamers 2 of which on average are without tittles they don’t coordinate attacks or plays sides , and end up feeding deaths to the other team in single file.
Now I’d like to request that there be some sort of restriction to bar at the very least entry ranked players from ranked, They can still play unranked for their dailes or reward track. High Ranking plays should not have to constantly carry teams or new players as frequently we currently do. its not fair and not fun.
The other Option is to go back to the solo que/ team que as before and have separate ladder that way. It was the best method and everyone was happy. because if I have to carry someone, than my opponent better be able to as well.
I think anyone above 50% is pretty reasonable. I don’t see you on the Leaderboard page so I don’t think you’re in any position to discuss my MMR. I’m talking about things we can’t control. Its not balance and coming down to luck on team composition rather than skill.
Senpai please, to what do you attribute such glorious ranking?
Bunking knowing when to attack, or disengage. mostly common sense, and rezzing dead teammates. Lots of rezzes.
Im not sure if you realize that Brigg was being sarcastic (or at least it seems like sarcasm). Your position in the leaderboards only means thay you play a lot.
I think anyone above 50% is pretty reasonable. I don’t see you on the Leaderboard page so I don’t think you’re in any position to discuss my MMR. I’m talking about things we can’t control. Its not balance and coming down to luck on team composition rather than skill.
You have 773 games in a month, that s like 5-6 hours of pvp per day, not many people have that much free time, as you can see the leaderboards now are just a grind, you only have 51.62 % win ratio. There are even people in the top ten with less than 50% wins.
You can have a low MMR as Pheaton said despite being on the leaderboards.
Also everyone in this post is in a position to talk about your MMR since you are putting your “credentials” as an evidence, but it is very clear that the actual leaderboards don’t have a correlation with skill Or MMR.
Join real team, win a tournament or two, then come back and have moan about it. Until then , this just looks like ‘spoiled little rich kid’ syndrome.
It’s a fact of life that the better you get at something the more time you will spend in the presence of people who aren’t quite up to your imaginary standard. It’s the same with being extremely clever- most of the time I’m talking to people with a lot lower IQ, and you have to factor that into your dealings with them.
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I think anyone above 50% is pretty reasonable. I don’t see you on the Leaderboard page so I don’t think you’re in any position to discuss my MMR. I’m talking about things we can’t control. Its not balance and coming down to luck on team composition rather than skill.
You have 773 games in a month, that s like 5-6 hours of pvp per day, not many people have that much free time, as you can see the leaderboards now are just a grind, you only have 51.62 % win ratio. There are even people in the top ten with less than 50% wins.
You can have a low MMR as Pheaton said despite being on the leaderboards.
Also everyone in this post is in a position to talk about your MMR since you are putting your “credentials” as an evidence, but it is very clear that the actual leaderboards don’t have a correlation with skill Or MMR.
I’m putting time Played as evidence of what I’ve seen. No one can deny time played equals top spot. You think I don’t KNOW that? I know its easy to think I think I’m the best, I’m not new to the internet and mob mentally. We can agree i played the most recently, and having to tutor in a force pved like enviroment in pvp is what i’m speaking out against.
Wow this is sad. Some people are actually proud of being rank 1 on that grind based leadearboard? And with a 51% win rate? lmao
Wow really? Trolling without reading? I know its a grind man I’m proving a point as the one that grinded the most what is most annoying. I admit 100% its a grind right now, but its also a PVE in terms of helping new players I really don’t want to nor signed up to help.
Join real team, win a tournament or two, then come back and have moan about it. Until then , this just looks like ‘spoiled little rich kid’ syndrome.
It’s a fact of life that the better you get at something the more time you will spend in the presence of people who aren’t quite up to your imaginary standard. It’s the same with being extremely clever- most of the time I’m talking to people with a lot lower IQ, and you have to factor that into your dealings with them.
I Want to Join a Real Team, and I want to start Winning Torunaments but I can’t go to my max potential or get real practice in from RA because of the state its in that what I’ve been saying! I’m showing top spot from grinding to show what i’ve had to put up with I would like to be able to FAIRlY play for real 5v5 all the time if RA would let me!
I grinded to bring attention to bring back separate ques, or a barrier for Ranked ques. I knew soon as the ladder started my MMR isn’t good even though I tried my best, what’s your point?
I agree with the OP. Yes the leaderboards are a grind. But that isn’t the only thing wrong with pvp. Having remerged the ques again you are constantly being put against premades (even if they aren’t on TS they work better together than a team of 5 pugs.)
Even worse you constantly have people doing their own thing ignoring the team fights etc. I’ve even had a match where a thief completely ignored the team fight on forest. Went to kill one mob then the other. He didn’t “steal” the mob from the other team, just engaged it on his own. This is what is wrong with pvp because you wind up with players like that on your team, and yet always get matched against a premade/partial.
I think people misread OP’s notion. He’s saying he’s #1 NA based on the Leaderboards. He’s not saying he’s top player in the world. We’re all quite aware that participating in the seasonal ladder most
will grant you the highest spot on the leaderboards.
From the bottom of his heart, if he actually thinks he’s number 1 player in the NA world, out of skill or what ever reason, let’s save that debate for another thread.
As for the threads main point, I agree with OP completely.
1 Leaderboard rank doesn’t match your personal mmr
2 Does MMR truly matches skill level?
I don’t mind getting matched up with crappy players.. rather… I don’t expect getting matched up with “high experienced players” all the time. That’s due to a population issue.
The issue I have is my MMR not matching up with my rank or vice versa.
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This is a prime example on why we need ladders (divisions, leagues, or whatever you want to call them) with this leaderboard. I’ve been playing a lot lately, and I haven’t played with or against Harvest.2506 once. However, we both soloq and we are also around similar spots on the LB, yet I haven’t seen him. Having everyone jumbled into the same LB with no real distinction to separate MMRs is a mess.
I think people misread OP’s notion. He’s saying he’s #1 NA based on the Leaderboards. He’s not saying he’s top player in the world. We’re all quite aware that participating in the seasonal ladder most
will grant you the highest spot on the leaderboards.
From the bottom of his heart, if he actually thinks he’s number 1 player in the NA world, out of skill or what ever reason, let’s save that debate for another thread.
As for the threads main point, I agree with OP completely.
1 Leaderboard rank doesn’t match your personal mmr
2 Does MMR truly matches skill level?
I don’t mind getting matched up with crappy players.. rather… I don’t expect getting matched up with “high experienced players” all the time. That’s due to a population issue.
The issue I have is my MMR not matching up with my rank or vice versa.
Yes I think everyone bashing on the guy has completely missed the point…
That said, isn’t the new system supposed to give you matches that you have a chance of losing?
If you are a high ranked player that might mean putting you with 4 scrubs so that you can carry them.
LOL everyone needs to sttop talking about how he promoted himself ans stay on topic. I disagree cause everyone should have the right to try it. For instance i play 1 hotjoin win and unranked and win and i might want to play in ran. That person should be able too.
Also for those like myself, you just want to compete vs the best. Even if i lose i want to compete vs the best and see whats out there. I remember playing a long time ago vs a premade team all lvl 70’s and this was before the pvp patch. So me and my guild mates kept fighting them 3-4 games in a row. We lost all those games 500-100 or less but it didnt bother us because we all wanted the challenge.
Obviously everyone is different and they all react differently to these skill gaps but i think people should have a right to check them out and see if its worth it for themselves. Harvest has alot of games put in which im fine with for his points but ill point out you have the option to meet people and not solo que which would lessen your chance for pugs. I know personally that when i play with some of my guild friends even with 1-2 we have a much better chance of winning cause we understand where to rotate even without ts. This game was meant to be social and i understand you dont want to play with 4 other pugs and the simple answer to me is to find some other decent players to play with.
I wouldn’t mind not having a rank requirement to come into rated arenas. Having said that!
Anet needs to implement a full on tutorial for EACH map with emphasis on the following things:
Secondary objectives are just that SECONDARY. Every match I see half my team zerging the mob on forest just to have it stolen by the thief meanwhile we lose mid.
The likelihood of holding far point, considering how close it is to spawn, and how easy you can get overwhelmed there.
What the HUGE RED reticle over someone’s head means. (Try and kill them)
And what the hell it means to peel.
If these can’t be implemented as part of the tutorial. Then yes. We need a rank requirement.
LOL everyone needs to sttop talking about how he promoted himself ans stay on topic. I disagree cause everyone should have the right to try it. For instance i play 1 hotjoin win and unranked and win and i might want to play in ran. That person should be able too.
Also for those like myself, you just want to compete vs the best. Even if i lose i want to compete vs the best and see whats out there. I remember playing a long time ago vs a premade team all lvl 70’s and this was before the pvp patch. So me and my guild mates kept fighting them 3-4 games in a row. We lost all those games 500-100 or less but it didnt bother us because we all wanted the challenge.
Obviously everyone is different and they all react differently to these skill gaps but i think people should have a right to check them out and see if its worth it for themselves. Harvest has alot of games put in which im fine with for his points but ill point out you have the option to meet people and not solo que which would lessen your chance for pugs. I know personally that when i play with some of my guild friends even with 1-2 we have a much better chance of winning cause we understand where to rotate even without ts. This game was meant to be social and i understand you dont want to play with 4 other pugs and the simple answer to me is to find some other decent players to play with.
My link had the “Thank You” list of my friends that help me get my achievement, I Managed by being as flexible as possible so party members could come and go as they pleased. All because I had time doesn’t mean everyone else does.
My biggest concern isn’t just the skill gap, I’m perfectly fine with someone that is serious about taking on a challenge. Its the pugs that just want to do their dailies or try out a new build for the first time, meaning they’ve rarely plays class X but want to maybe win it, without considering Ranked matches are different. I mean there isn’t even a “Are You Sure?” message before clicking a ranked game. its not that much of a button difference.
I’m actually Surprised by the number of times I’ve had 1st time players especially on (75% sales weekends) on my team even at rank 80. There has got to be something wrong with that. I may have to carry 2-3 people but if one of them keeps feeding rallies then I’m screwed, Thankfully I’m done right now. I want to come back to pvp, when this gets fixed.
People should just stop caring about solo que rank and see it as a practice mode type of game anyways.
At the same time though? Practicing is annoying when you have people who double cap points with you and have no clue what their build is supposed to do.
The OP is kinda right when he says you shouldn’t be allowed to play ranked until you have played x number of games. But at the same time? Rank never matters, it’s about improving mechanics. Just that trying to improve your mechanics is annoying when you have clueless people in your team frankly speaking.
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Now my complaint in at least 30% of my match I’ve had people playing classes in pvp for the first time. they either don’t understand their builds enough thus dying alot, or they don’t know the map. I spent more time copy and pasting instructions and timers for “temple of the silent storm” and asking one of 2 thieves in party to change characters than organizing my own skills before the game.
In games that I’ve won 75% of the time it was with another bunker class. I spend more time managing Random teams then most, with the constant “don’t tell me how to play” in return. which is fine i anticipated that but in the case where we have 4 roamers 2 of which on average are without tittles they don’t coordinate attacks or plays sides , and end up feeding deaths to the other team in single file.
Now I’d like to request that there be some sort of restriction to bar at the very least entry ranked players from ranked, They can still play unranked for their dailes or reward track. High Ranking plays should not have to constantly carry teams or new players as frequently we currently do. its not fair and not fun.
The other Option is to go back to the solo que/ team que as before and have separate ladder that way. It was the best method and everyone was happy. because if I have to carry someone, than my opponent better be able to as well.
So wait, you are moaning that you dont want to carry ‘noobs’ yet you are rank 1….seems legit….
You are moaning you dont want to be organising other players while SOLO queuing….well get a premade then…..seems legit
The OP clearly just made this post to show of his ‘credentials’ (sorry that made me laugh).
Everyone knows the Lb is broken and doesnt represent skill/matchups won…yet you felt the need to post your RANK and therefore think you are this new new rank 1 god that has no right to be playing with ‘average players’ or carrying/i call it teaching other when SOLO QUEUING. You have proved nothing, this is a pointless thread telling us nothing knew other than you are some randomer who has reached RANK1.
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I wholeheartedly agree.. Give this man an entire separate PvP game mode, so he isn’t bothered by us, the casual players that try to have fun in a game.. But don’t you freakin’ dare post anything out of the PvP forums!
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Regardless of what you think about his credentials or tone he makes some strong points. Ranked spvp is supposed to be the highest level of pvp in this game and yet its very common for complete beginners to feel like its ok to roll into it with basically no experience or people to play classes they have no experience with because of class dailies. Even if you feel its ok you have to admit the game does a poor job of teaching the finer points of conquest and just learning by experience is a hard lesson indeed. As for saying get a higher MMR and you will have a better experience I question that as well at least for solo queuers. People should know by now that if you solo queue it doesn’t really matter you will often get matches with inexperienced players just due to population factors and the game rather quickly pushing out the range of skills levels in order to make a match also complete beginners start out with an average MMR I believe even though in reality they are complete newbs.
The most simple solution to this is queue with other players. And judging by the amount of games you’ve put in, it’s not like you don’t have the time. We all know, as you do, that leaderboards is just a grind so there was really no reason to link all that as it is irrelevant to this topic. There should never be restrictions to play ranked arenas. Instead what this shows is either you have a lower mmr than you think, or there just isn’t enough people around your mmr to queue with. In the case of the latter, placing restrictions on entering ranked queue will solve none of that.
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The most simple solution to this is queue with other players. And judging by the amount of games you’ve put in, it’s not like you don’t have the time. We all know, as you do, that leaderboards is just a grind so there was really no reason to link all that as it is irrelevant to this topic. There should never be restrictions to play ranked arenas. Instead what this shows is either you have a lower mmr than you think, or there just isn’t enough people around your mmr to queue with. In the case of the latter, placing restrictions on entering ranked queue will solve none of that.
It’s a double edged sword.
If he ques with his team only, he will no longer be #1 on the leaderboards due to lack of games. His mmr will improve however.
If he continues to play solo que to get games in, he will continue to be #1 as well as have low mmr.
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The most simple solution to this is queue with other players. And judging by the amount of games you’ve put in, it’s not like you don’t have the time. We all know, as you do, that leaderboards is just a grind so there was really no reason to link all that as it is irrelevant to this topic. There should never be restrictions to play ranked arenas. Instead what this shows is either you have a lower mmr than you think, or there just isn’t enough people around your mmr to queue with. In the case of the latter, placing restrictions on entering ranked queue will solve none of that.
It’s a double edged sword.
If he ques with his team only, he will no longer be #1 on the leaderboards due to lack of games. His mmr will improve however.
If he continues to play solo que to get games in, he will continue to be #1 as well as have low mmr.
Depends on what is more important to him. Recognition on a meangingless leaderboard or more interesting matches.
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Being top of this leaderboard does mean something. Those players at the top have put the work in and deserve to be there. Maybe they aren’t the “best” players but I expect most of them are very good and under-rated. So I respect OP and his achievement honestly. This whole top tier pvp BS is boring. I have played against most people and I don’t think there is a massive gap between the supposed best players in pvp, good wvw players and just regular pvp grinders. Everyone is kind of similar and those like OP, who play alot of tournies, will increase their skill overtime. I think the terrible matchmaking has meant previous “best” players dont play so much anymore and so have been caught up by previously unknown players.
I find in solo q the best players now are often people I dont recognise from 6 months ago.
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They need to redesign their ranked play to include visible MMR and set a +- variable as to who you are matched up against.
It baffles me that they created this system when they really could have used other reliable MMR/ladder/ranked systems. They tried to create a better wheel but fell well short of the desired outcome.
I have very little faith in Josh Davis and his team to rectify this without a complete overhaul and start making PvP an eSport.
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I wouldn’t mind having a requirement for entering rank, if they also implemented a true solo queue with no premade-stomps in the nonranked matches.
If solo was separated and had its own leaderboards again, we wouldn’t need a requirement in ranked que as much as we do now. Mainly due to the fact we have one leaderboard that everyone wants to be on… cause it’s a leaderboard.
I don’t remember this many QQs about matchmaking and premades on the old system, but then again I rarely viewed the forums back then.
Regardless, if I was Anet I wouldn’t revert back, but continue to move forward. Add requirements for Ranked, brackets, etc. Do what needs to be done to better the current system.
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Played against an EU team of Melank, Jun, and the Necro who is high ranked on foefire, crushed them like 500-100. Pretty mediocre players.
You can spot the esports people as they’re like 70%+ win rate even when playing solo. Sad that there is nothing to recognise or reward such good play, even when having to carry us regular noobs.
How do you think you are carrying noobs with a 51% winrate? Honest question. I have closer to 60% and I don’t think I’m carrying noobs.
Honest answer, I’m stuck in 2 situations, I could either full team only for higher mmr to get to 60% but play less games and not gather points. Or as I’ve done play more games over time and drastically reduce mmr because i have less control over who’s on my team but it gains points overall. I’m proposing a way to have some quality control when I do that latter so that there is a better chance to accurately perform on mmr. cause right now its a cluster of back and forth arguments on how good someone is that can’t be supported in way direction or another, other then that top spot is guaranteed by more playing.
People just like to complain… in the past people complained to go against team like mini ken, caed, tammy pre-made teams and got smashed by them, they in the primary leadboard positions and you in 200, 300+. Because didnt have enough people to play.
I suppose now that mmr works well, if you are going solo you are playing with people in your skill play level… if you are playing in the group the other team will have mmr to compete. I’m not in a leaderboard, but i have like 80%+ win rate, and i got some cool battles and other good names in the opposite team.
People who cares about the competitive, in the moment don’t look into the leader board.
Rank means nothing, it doesn’t make you the #1 player. My friends and I had an undefeated record for a long time after the leaderboards came out, and the people we literally 500-0’d in ranked ques 24/7 were ranked higher than us because they simply played more games. You being #1 on the leader board doesn’t make you the #1 player na or eu, it just means the leaderboards are horrible. In reality the top 5 on the leaderboard should be Phanta, Nos, Chaith, Wakkey, and Toker. If anyone thinks otherwise they are just not very smart.
People just like to complain… in the past people complained to go against team like mini ken, caed, tammy pre-made teams and got smashed by them, they in the primary leadboard positions and you in 200, 300+. Because didnt have enough people to play.
I suppose now that mmr works well, if you are going solo you are playing with people in your skill play level… if you are playing in the group the other team will have mmr to compete. I’m not in a leaderboard, but i have like 80%+ win rate, and i got some cool battles and other good names in the opposite team.
People who cares about the competitive, in the moment don’t look into the leader board.
People just like to complain… in the past people complained to go against team like mini ken, caed, tammy pre-made teams and got smashed by them, they in the primary leadboard positions and you in 200, 300+. Because didnt have enough people to play.
I suppose now that mmr works well, if you are going solo you are playing with people in your skill play level… if you are playing in the group the other team will have mmr to compete. I’m not in a leaderboard, but i have like 80%+ win rate, and i got some cool battles and other good names in the opposite team.
People who cares about the competitive, in the moment don’t look into the leader board.
