Guild Wars 2

Oni Link.4621:

Parisalchuk.9230:

Oni Link.4621:

Vena.8436:

Oni Link.4621:

Most online games with “arenas” or “rooms” give the possibility to create own room with no fee at all.
Why GW2 has a fee AND this fee is expensive too?

I can’t, for the life of me, think of a single MMO that has such a feature. Care to enlighten me of any MMO that offers the ability (without a subfee) for one to be able to host their own, custom rule arena? Otherwise we’re just saying other games offer hotjoins… but hotjoins offer hotjoins.

I was not talking about RPGs (if you are saying that with the MMO acronym). But 99% of online FPS, MOBA, RTS or whatever give you the possibility.

FPS – host on your own machine if you want a custom server and need fast enough upload speeds to properly host one, otherwise you pay
RTS – not really servers, one machine hosts or you connect to a central location… that how it HAS to work or you dont have any game at all
MOBA I dont have enough experience with to make a statement on.

Regardless, you basically said that because other unrelated genres have ‘servers’ without fees that this genre needs it too? Why exactly is that?

FPS – normal rooms are hosted on game server, not on player’s machine. And custom server, yes you’re right, but custom arenas on GW2 are not that “custom” to justify the price.
RTS – yes and so? Matches are hosted on the server, why can’t be here the same?

Basically ArenaNet is NOT providing a total customizable arena, it has only basic options. They are just trying to monetarize it somehow.

What FPS games are you talking about? Something like Killing Floor where the player population is tiny? What large FPS game along the lines of CoD/BF3 has free servers?

RTS – the point is the game is designed to connect to a peer and play. Thats what you paid money to do. RTS’s have very little substance outside of peer to peer matches. Compare that here… Last I knew there was a sprawling PvE world that was developed and is the main focus that you have access to with the purchase of your game.

Anet gave players the ability to join free servers at will, jumping in and out of matches without penalty. You want more customization then that? Then you pay, the exact same as if you play on someones FPS server and you dont like the rules. You dont just get a free server because of that.

I don’t have any problem to buy an arena and maintain it, in fact I have one for my guild and friends.
The point is that PvPers can NOT afford it in any way. And it is absurd too being forced to PvE for SPvP purposes.

Oni Link.4621:

I don’t have any problem to buy an arena and maintain it, in fact I have one for my guild and friends.
The point is that PvPers can NOT afford it in any way. And it is absurd too being forced to PvE for SPvP purposes.

I can agree with you, as I have previously in this post, about that. I think its absurd for a dev to come in here and basically say PvE for it if you dont want to use cash. That is very telling that Anet really does have the opinion that the PvP community is a second rate community and we are treated as such.

Thats gonna have to change if you want PvP longevity.

“1800 Gems? Des sin joa über 20 Euro! Des sind’s fast 40 Mark! Ihr hobts ja wohl den Oarsch offen!”

Actually, not the price of the Gems bothers me most (since it’s only the price you have to pay in the beginning – making your arena last longer costs much less). What bothers me most is the fact that gems and therefore the arenakit are completely split off the PvP… Something really sad.

So I totally agree with the idea of buying custom Arenas from Honor or some PvP currency a PvP Guild can achieve together…

Luthan.5236:

A normal player(like 99 percent of the players) that is not leader of a guild/group does not need CAs – he does need many other improvements they still have not made yet(cause we want to play all the maps in a tournament-like environment and not the hotjoin which sucks – we need queues for every map).

I’m a guild leader who bought the arena for the guild. Big problem is that now I’m the only one that can change the settings of it … My pvp team is always at my door to change them so they can play a different type.

Oni Link.4621:

I don’t have any problem to buy an arena and maintain it, in fact I have one for my guild and friends.
The point is that PvPers can NOT afford it in any way. And it is absurd too being forced to PvE for SPvP purposes.

Laurals → T6 crafting mats
and
Dyes → Sell on TP

and a single person can keep the server running. If you don’t pve/wvw at all you shouldn’t have any problem converting laurals into gold.

Anet will never add a ‘free’ way to add time to servers. They cost money to run.

Give us the option to make our friends admins. You can even put a cap on it if you think this will make your profits drop. 3 friends max…or charge us a small fee for each admin we put on. Just give us more options.

CA represent a collection of basic and advanced features for monthly gem payment.

• The BASIC FEATURES of selecting a map and some friends to play against should NEVER be a paid feature. How else can a player do this without someone having paid gems at some point? Completely unacceptable! (esport here we come)

We should have simple access to an arena that is spawned when we request it and disappears after we all leave. GW1 has this as the basis of all pvp in the entire game. (Which btw, is all free).

I will go through the “features” now anet wants us to pay for:

Custom Arena Name — Don’t care
Password — Wouldn’t be needed if arena was private to those that spawned instance
Message of the Day — Don’t care
Team Size — Basic Feature (Teams locked to those that entered together)
Score Limit — Don’t care
Time Limit — Don’t care
Respawn Time — Don’t care
Respawn Type: (Wave vs. individual) — Don’t care
Minimum players — Don’t care
Reserved Slots — Don’t care
Spectators: Y/N — Would be nice but don’t rlly care
Ready Button — Basic Feature if this is what I think it is, otherwise Don’t care
Auto Balance — Don’t care
Lock Gear — Don’t care (should be default to Yes)
Lock Skills — Don’t care (should be default to Yes)
No Stats — Don’t care
Map selection — Basic feature
Member players — Don’t care
Member Guilds — Don’t care
Banned Players — Don’t care

If you keep thinking about why these Custom Arenas are “always on” and you pay regardless whether someone is playing or not, it really seems like Anet wants you all to fund hotjoin. Now think about how many empty hotjoin servers there are and ask yourself: “wtf?”

They are making you pay for BASIC FEATURES like playing vs your friends. How is the world is that acceptable? Sure, sure, you say it is like a server that you pay monthly for like in other games — but WHY DO WE HAVE ALWAYS-ON SERVERS AND NOT TEMPORARY INSTANCES (like in gw1)?

Furthermore they hide behind saying “Oh it’s just gems so you don’t have to pay money” but as already discussed in this forum, PVPERS CAN’T MAKE GOLD OR GEMS. And to the people talking about laurels: no, I am not spending a unique currency that has interesting rewards for when I may want to do some pve on an overpriced basic feature.

Thank you and good day.

would be same when they do “custom fractals” or “custom dungeons” for PVEers – would you pay for it?

just wtf – this should be basic features and is NOT what arenanet wrote before they released guildwars2. To rent a custom arena is more stupid than a subscription fee – atleast there you know how much you have to pay for the game when you buy the game.

My guild does alot of ingame events and we´d like to host a tournament once a month. Problem is we´d only be willing to pay the initial cost of 1600gems and then only add tokens when we host these events. It´s ridiculous that our CA would be deleted if we don´t keep adding tokens to it. I´d much rather be able to re-activate it whenever I want instead of having to buy a new CA kit for 1600 gems once my old one gets deleted ( what were you thinking anet?)

We are a 500member guild on the Gandara server and imo Arena Net has made a big mistake as it would be guilds like us that introduce more /new players to spvp.

Rexxar.6928:

My guild does alot of ingame events and we´d like to host a tournament once a month. Problem is we´d only be willing to pay the initial cost of 1600gems and then only add tokens when we host these events. It´s ridiculous that our CA would be deleted if we don´t keep adding tokens to it. I´d much rather be able to re-activate it whenever I want instead of having to buy a new CA kit for 1600 gems once my old one gets deleted ( what were you thinking anet?)

We are a 500member guild on the Gandara server and imo Arena Net has made a big mistake as it would be guilds like us that introduce more /new players to spvp.

PvP = 0 gold, 0 gold = 0 gem

Still, PvP has the most expensive consumable non-permanent item in the gemstore.

For the money these unuseful custom arenas cost, i´d rather buy any other videogames like final fantasy xiv with 1-2 months subscription

Gandarel.5091:

Rexxar.6928:

My guild does alot of ingame events and we´d like to host a tournament once a month. Problem is we´d only be willing to pay the initial cost of 1600gems and then only add tokens when we host these events. It´s ridiculous that our CA would be deleted if we don´t keep adding tokens to it. I´d much rather be able to re-activate it whenever I want instead of having to buy a new CA kit for 1600 gems once my old one gets deleted ( what were you thinking anet?)

We are a 500member guild on the Gandara server and imo Arena Net has made a big mistake as it would be guilds like us that introduce more /new players to spvp.

PvP = 0 gold, 0 gold = 0 gem

Still, PvP has the most expensive consumable non-permanent item in the gemstore.

The idea is to get real $$$ from pvpers with those arenas. With 500 people in your guild, with less than 10cent/month each you could mantain a couple CA with no issues

Shar.3402:

Gandarel.5091:

Rexxar.6928:

My guild does alot of ingame events and we´d like to host a tournament once a month. Problem is we´d only be willing to pay the initial cost of 1600gems and then only add tokens when we host these events. It´s ridiculous that our CA would be deleted if we don´t keep adding tokens to it. I´d much rather be able to re-activate it whenever I want instead of having to buy a new CA kit for 1600 gems once my old one gets deleted ( what were you thinking anet?)

We are a 500member guild on the Gandara server and imo Arena Net has made a big mistake as it would be guilds like us that introduce more /new players to spvp.

PvP = 0 gold, 0 gold = 0 gem

Still, PvP has the most expensive consumable non-permanent item in the gemstore.

The idea is to get real $$$ from pvpers with those arenas. With 500 people in your guild, with less than 10cent/month each you could mantain a couple CA with no issues

what a great idea, i’m sure all their members will be excited for this tax

milo.6942:

Shar.3402:

Gandarel.5091:

Rexxar.6928:

My guild does alot of ingame events and we´d like to host a tournament once a month. Problem is we´d only be willing to pay the initial cost of 1600gems and then only add tokens when we host these events. It´s ridiculous that our CA would be deleted if we don´t keep adding tokens to it. I´d much rather be able to re-activate it whenever I want instead of having to buy a new CA kit for 1600 gems once my old one gets deleted ( what were you thinking anet?)

We are a 500member guild on the Gandara server and imo Arena Net has made a big mistake as it would be guilds like us that introduce more /new players to spvp.

PvP = 0 gold, 0 gold = 0 gem

Still, PvP has the most expensive consumable non-permanent item in the gemstore.

The idea is to get real $$$ from pvpers with those arenas. With 500 people in your guild, with less than 10cent/month each you could mantain a couple CA with no issues

what a great idea, i’m sure all their members will be excited for this tax

Yeah, those 10 cent/month are going to make you broke…

I still don’t understand price whining. If it’s too rich for you, don’t buy it. If not enough people are buying it, they’ll change the price.

This isn’t a negotiation. You’re not in a used car yard. The price won’t change based on forum whining, if it changes it will change based on a sales analysis.

One necromancer did a good job of digging up this thread

Shar.3402:

Gandarel.5091:

Rexxar.6928:

My guild does alot of ingame events and we´d like to host a tournament once a month. Problem is we´d only be willing to pay the initial cost of 1600gems and then only add tokens when we host these events. It´s ridiculous that our CA would be deleted if we don´t keep adding tokens to it. I´d much rather be able to re-activate it whenever I want instead of having to buy a new CA kit for 1600 gems once my old one gets deleted ( what were you thinking anet?)

We are a 500member guild on the Gandara server and imo Arena Net has made a big mistake as it would be guilds like us that introduce more /new players to spvp.

PvP = 0 gold, 0 gold = 0 gem

Still, PvP has the most expensive consumable non-permanent item in the gemstore.

The idea is to get real $$$ from pvpers with those arenas. With 500 people in your guild, with less than 10cent/month each you could mantain a couple CA with no issues

I know. But while their income from PvE is split into many many cheaper items, they want to make all the PvP income from one item, while we can’t even buy gems from gold.

are you serious?We are unable to have gold in PvP??

toad.8652:

are you serious?We are unable to have gold in PvP??

Well, once I made 200 dyes, and almost got 2 gold out of it, which is roughly 56 gems.

Or do you know any other methods? The daily gives 2 coppers, I know.

the laurels is op for gold.
i have 50 po with laurels,dyes and chest success