Guild Wars 2

First match I had:

• Xeph from Team Paradigm, if you played the game during 2012-13 you would recognize the name.
• Phantaram
• Tron Jeremy, who all tho runs some trolly builds, is a great thief player, and knows where to be and when to be there.
• A warrior who’s name escapes me but once again was on point with everything.
• And myself on standard shatter mes.

That game was great, rotations were on it, Xeph and I combined could shut down the enemy thief, Phanta 2v1’d far and knew when to leave the fight. It was great all the way around. The match wasn’t a complete steam roll, but it was fun.

Next match: I get

• What I think is a DPS guard, he was running mace focus+GS, can’t be sure but I don’t remember hearing any shouts from him.
• D/P thief running signet of malice (enough said there.)
• A power necro that I don’t think had any wells
• And a pew pew ranger.
  The first mid fight the whole team wiped while i capped home alone. So I said screw it I’m going far. I went far full capped it and portaled back across near home, this was on foe fire.

The rest of the match was just a mud slinging contest of our guardian yelling at our thief and ranger, and me just shaking my head at the entire teams inability to know when it’s time to leave a fight.

So tell me again how matchmaking is working? I don’t mind if i get placed in group one, i honestly don’t mind being placed in group two. But to go directly from group one to group two after winning a match with group one, something isn’t working right. This was not the system just throwing me in with people because the que was taking so long and it prioritized fast matches over appropriately paired ones, both ques popped almost instantly.

You’re queuing solo with what I would guess would be hundreds of players. What do you expect?

SobeSoul.6910:

You’re queuing solo with what I would guess would be hundreds of players. What do you expect?

A little more consistency. I’m not talking about wanting to be paired up with those specific players all the time. But going from players that have a clear knowledge and understanding of the game, rotations, mechanics, focus fire, peeling etc., to group two right after group one, that does not make sense. You are saying hundreds of players okay, well there should be players at both ends of the spectrum and those in the middle. If MMR is working, I should not go straight from being teamed up with players in group one, to being teamed up with players in group 2.

jportell.2197:

SobeSoul.6910:

You’re queuing solo with what I would guess would be hundreds of players. What do you expect?

A little more consistency. I’m not talking about wanting to be paired up with those specific players all the time. But going from players that have a clear knowledge and understanding of the game, rotations, mechanics, focus fire, peeling etc., to group two right after group one, that does not make sense. You are saying hundreds of players okay, well there should be players at both ends of the spectrum and those in the middle. If MMR is working, I should not go straight from being teamed up with players in group one, to being teamed up with players in group 2.

I’m guessing you have the same “between” MMR as me. I have similar stuff occur frequently.

SobeSoul.6910:

jportell.2197:

SobeSoul.6910:

You’re queuing solo with what I would guess would be hundreds of players. What do you expect?

A little more consistency. I’m not talking about wanting to be paired up with those specific players all the time. But going from players that have a clear knowledge and understanding of the game, rotations, mechanics, focus fire, peeling etc., to group two right after group one, that does not make sense. You are saying hundreds of players okay, well there should be players at both ends of the spectrum and those in the middle. If MMR is working, I should not go straight from being teamed up with players in group one, to being teamed up with players in group 2.

I’m guessing you have the same “between” MMR as me. I have similar stuff occur frequently.

But even the “between” MMR, going straight from group one to group two. Just shouldn’t happen there are enough players where the game can group similar MMR players together more often than not, especially right now which most would say is primetime NA.

If the system is trying to equalize the entire team’s MMR and you have “between” MMR, you are probably going to have the most variation in team quality.

Not sure how accurate this is to how the system is actually working but if you’re MMR is in the middle of the pack, you are placed in to team as the A) Highest MMR B ) Middle MMR C) Lowest MMR.

If you have low or high MMR than you only have really one or possibly two of those categories available to you.

You also have to figure that even if hundreds to low thousands are queuing at this time that the number hitting the queue button at any given time is much lower as people are already in games.

It just started me into a 4 v 5 where no 5th guy ever showed for my team.

Been awhile since that’s happened.

jportell.2197:

First match I had:

• Xeph from Team Paradigm, if you played the game during 2012-13 you would recognize the name.
• Phantaram
• Tron Jeremy, who all tho runs some trolly builds, is a great thief player, and knows where to be and when to be there.
• A warrior who’s name escapes me but once again was on point with everything.
• And myself on standard shatter mes.

That game was great, rotations were on it, Xeph and I combined could shut down the enemy thief, Phanta 2v1’d far and knew when to leave the fight. It was great all the way around. The match wasn’t a complete steam roll, but it was fun.

Next match: I get

• What I think is a DPS guard, he was running mace focus+GS, can’t be sure but I don’t remember hearing any shouts from him.
• D/P thief running signet of malice (enough said there.)
• A power necro that I don’t think had any wells
• And a pew pew ranger.
  The first mid fight the whole team wiped while i capped home alone. So I said screw it I’m going far. I went far full capped it and portaled back across near home, this was on foe fire.

The rest of the match was just a mud slinging contest of our guardian yelling at our thief and ranger, and me just shaking my head at the entire teams inability to know when it’s time to leave a fight.

So tell me again how matchmaking is working? I don’t mind if i get placed in group one, i honestly don’t mind being placed in group two. But to go directly from group one to group two after winning a match with group one, something isn’t working right. This was not the system just throwing me in with people because the que was taking so long and it prioritized fast matches over appropriately paired ones, both ques popped almost instantly.

Dude, the ladder was reset today what did you expect? everyone is at same MMR

Marcos.3690:

jportell.2197:

First match I had:

• Xeph from Team Paradigm, if you played the game during 2012-13 you would recognize the name.
• Phantaram
• Tron Jeremy, who all tho runs some trolly builds, is a great thief player, and knows where to be and when to be there.
• A warrior who’s name escapes me but once again was on point with everything.
• And myself on standard shatter mes.

That game was great, rotations were on it, Xeph and I combined could shut down the enemy thief, Phanta 2v1’d far and knew when to leave the fight. It was great all the way around. The match wasn’t a complete steam roll, but it was fun.

Next match: I get

• What I think is a DPS guard, he was running mace focus+GS, can’t be sure but I don’t remember hearing any shouts from him.
• D/P thief running signet of malice (enough said there.)
• A power necro that I don’t think had any wells
• And a pew pew ranger.
  The first mid fight the whole team wiped while i capped home alone. So I said screw it I’m going far. I went far full capped it and portaled back across near home, this was on foe fire.

The rest of the match was just a mud slinging contest of our guardian yelling at our thief and ranger, and me just shaking my head at the entire teams inability to know when it’s time to leave a fight.

So tell me again how matchmaking is working? I don’t mind if i get placed in group one, i honestly don’t mind being placed in group two. But to go directly from group one to group two after winning a match with group one, something isn’t working right. This was not the system just throwing me in with people because the que was taking so long and it prioritized fast matches over appropriately paired ones, both ques popped almost instantly.

Dude, the ladder was reset today what did you expect? everyone is at same MMR

Nope. They only reset standings not MMR.

Yes…because the quality of all matchmaking should be judged by two matches…

I think it’s the same algorithm as for salvaging ectos from rares. They aim for 50/50 split even, and sometimes there’s a streak of 3-5 duds or 2-3 lucky ones to make it seem more random.

I think it’s people blaming the matchmaking for not putting them where they think they deserve to be on the leaderboard. =P

Dahkeus.8243:

I think it’s people blaming the matchmaking for not putting them where they think they deserve to be on the leaderboard. =P

Not at all. The system is placing new players or inexperienced players who do silly stuff with experienced player who haven’t reached god tier. Thus you don’t get better competition and it’s hard to get better that way.

SobeSoul.6910:

If the system is trying to equalize the entire team’s MMR and you have “between” MMR, you are probably going to have the most variation in team quality.

Not sure how accurate this is to how the system is actually working but if you’re MMR is in the middle of the pack, you are placed in to team as the A) Highest MMR B ) Middle MMR C) Lowest MMR.

If you have low or high MMR than you only have really one or possibly two of those categories available to you.

You also have to figure that even if hundreds to low thousands are queuing at this time that the number hitting the queue button at any given time is much lower as people are already in games.

I’m not sure how the system exactly works but I was wondering if it tries to place players with the same mmr into a match or if it puts players with different mmr’s into team so both teams have similar mmr combined. Because if it’s the second case, it really answers a lot of questions I’ve been asking myself.

Laraley.7695:

SobeSoul.6910:

If the system is trying to equalize the entire team’s MMR and you have “between” MMR, you are probably going to have the most variation in team quality.

Not sure how accurate this is to how the system is actually working but if you’re MMR is in the middle of the pack, you are placed in to team as the A) Highest MMR B ) Middle MMR C) Lowest MMR.

If you have low or high MMR than you only have really one or possibly two of those categories available to you.

You also have to figure that even if hundreds to low thousands are queuing at this time that the number hitting the queue button at any given time is much lower as people are already in games.

I’m not sure how the system exactly works but I was wondering if it tries to place players with the same mmr into a match or if it puts players with different mmr’s into team so both teams have similar mmr combined. Because if it’s the second case, it really answers a lot of questions I’ve been asking myself.

It tries to equalize the two team’s MMR to match up players. I believe if the playerbase was larger it would do the former, but since the pool of players queuing at one time is not large enough for that, it does the latter.

SobeSoul.6910:

Laraley.7695:

SobeSoul.6910:

If the system is trying to equalize the entire team’s MMR and you have “between” MMR, you are probably going to have the most variation in team quality.

Not sure how accurate this is to how the system is actually working but if you’re MMR is in the middle of the pack, you are placed in to team as the A) Highest MMR B ) Middle MMR C) Lowest MMR.

If you have low or high MMR than you only have really one or possibly two of those categories available to you.

You also have to figure that even if hundreds to low thousands are queuing at this time that the number hitting the queue button at any given time is much lower as people are already in games.

I’m not sure how the system exactly works but I was wondering if it tries to place players with the same mmr into a match or if it puts players with different mmr’s into team so both teams have similar mmr combined. Because if it’s the second case, it really answers a lot of questions I’ve been asking myself.

It tries to equalize the two team’s MMR to match up players. I believe if the playerbase was larger it would do the former, but since the pool of players queuing at one time is not large enough for that, it does the latter.

I feel like that’s a quite unfair system, though. If it places a high mmr player with players whose mmr is significantly lower to equalize mmr’s of both teams, then it just assumes this one player can carry. I guess it explains why we have been matched with players who really don’t even know the basics. I don’t know if it’s just me but lately it’s been getting worse and worse.

Dahkeus.8243:

Yes…because the quality of all matchmaking should be judged by two matches…

This is a regular flipping occurence and it’s really kitten annoying. I’m just highlighting these two matches because they show the severity of the problem more than any other set. You cannot not think there is any good freaking reason to go from playing with god tier players, to suddenly players that were in the second set. The ques popped too fast for it to be the excuse of the system just wanted to make sure the que time wasn’t stupid long.

Dahkeus.8243:

I think it’s people blaming the matchmaking for not putting them where they think they deserve to be on the leaderboard. =P

I really don’t care where the hell I wind up on the leaderboard. For all i give a rip about I could have a 20% win rate. As long as all the matches are close and showing that the players playing have a similar MMR, and either team has a decent shot at winning. I don’t like having constant kittening blow outs in the winning or losing side, it’s not fun for anyone that way.

I could be wrong, but afaik the matchmaking isn’t going to place you with players around your mmr into a team. Its setting up two teams with similar average mmr.
Which is a HUGE difference!
This is causing this “jumps”, where you have one mach with decent ppl and the oher one with not so decent ppl.

The problem, And the thing i worry about, is the fact that they would aim to 50/50 win rate… That to an inexpert like me seems a big mistake, basically solo queueing the system give you a good team, AND if you win the next Match you have an horrible team to give you that 50/50… This is the problem, it is stale!
Only team premade can get out of this AND solo player have no chance… I think or should have been: you won a Match? Ok you are good , the next match you will have a stronger team AND stronger adversary trying to push you up with the wins, Not to a stale point like now, when you lose in the other AND you should face easier adversary AND other people that losed their match, in order to push them to learn to play, Not giving them stronger teammate where they dont belong only to be carried…

jportell.2197:

First match I had:

• Xeph from Team Paradigm, if you played the game during 2012-13 you would recognize the name.
• Phantaram
• Tron Jeremy, who all tho runs some trolly builds, is a great thief player, and knows where to be and when to be there.
• A warrior who’s name escapes me but once again was on point with everything.
• And myself on standard shatter mes.

That game was great, rotations were on it, Xeph and I combined could shut down the enemy thief, Phanta 2v1’d far and knew when to leave the fight. It was great all the way around. The match wasn’t a complete steam roll, but it was fun.

Next match: I get

• What I think is a DPS guard, he was running mace focus+GS, can’t be sure but I don’t remember hearing any shouts from him.
• D/P thief running signet of malice (enough said there.)
• A power necro that I don’t think had any wells
• And a pew pew ranger.
  The first mid fight the whole team wiped while i capped home alone. So I said screw it I’m going far. I went far full capped it and portaled back across near home, this was on foe fire.

The rest of the match was just a mud slinging contest of our guardian yelling at our thief and ranger, and me just shaking my head at the entire teams inability to know when it’s time to leave a fight.

So tell me again how matchmaking is working? I don’t mind if i get placed in group one, i honestly don’t mind being placed in group two. But to go directly from group one to group two after winning a match with group one, something isn’t working right. This was not the system just throwing me in with people because the que was taking so long and it prioritized fast matches over appropriately paired ones, both ques popped almost instantly.

I guess you forgot that it’s a new PvP season?

This story sounds about right. It takes a lot of stomach to solo queue right now. xD

Dirame.8521:

jportell.2197:

First match I had:

• Xeph from Team Paradigm, if you played the game during 2012-13 you would recognize the name.
• Phantaram
• Tron Jeremy, who all tho runs some trolly builds, is a great thief player, and knows where to be and when to be there.
• A warrior who’s name escapes me but once again was on point with everything.
• And myself on standard shatter mes.

That game was great, rotations were on it, Xeph and I combined could shut down the enemy thief, Phanta 2v1’d far and knew when to leave the fight. It was great all the way around. The match wasn’t a complete steam roll, but it was fun.

Next match: I get

• What I think is a DPS guard, he was running mace focus+GS, can’t be sure but I don’t remember hearing any shouts from him.
• D/P thief running signet of malice (enough said there.)
• A power necro that I don’t think had any wells
• And a pew pew ranger.
  The first mid fight the whole team wiped while i capped home alone. So I said screw it I’m going far. I went far full capped it and portaled back across near home, this was on foe fire.

The rest of the match was just a mud slinging contest of our guardian yelling at our thief and ranger, and me just shaking my head at the entire teams inability to know when it’s time to leave a fight.

So tell me again how matchmaking is working? I don’t mind if i get placed in group one, i honestly don’t mind being placed in group two. But to go directly from group one to group two after winning a match with group one, something isn’t working right. This was not the system just throwing me in with people because the que was taking so long and it prioritized fast matches over appropriately paired ones, both ques popped almost instantly.

I guess you forgot that it’s a new PvP season?

The leaderboard reset did not reset the MMR

This happens all the time.

It’s almost like “Hey, don’t feel so good about yourself, you had a great match, but you’re going to be in a 0-500’d next round.” There is just nothing you can do to carry 3-4 teammates who simply have no clue how to rotate/play.

I’m not convinced MMR works at all. I always get 1 good match and 3 horrible ones. It’s completely random.