Guild Wars 2

Am I the only one that can judge whether a game is lost or won in the first few minutes? Well maybe that’s a bit hyperbolic, but a good 80% of games it’s pretty clear whose going to win. There really is no swing in the momentum in pvp, the team that start out well is pretty much set to win. Even legacy of the foe fire sees the same issue.
The problem here is that, if you already know you’re going to lose a game in the first few minutes, it really really becomes a chore to drag yourself through the next 5-10 minutes when there is little to no hope of winning.
Maybe it’s because the matching algorithm is kinda bad, or maybe it’s because of the conquest game type, but whatever reason it really sucks the fun out of PvP.

if you play on the same level as your opponents it wont be clear, if you can see that tehy are vastly better than your team ye sure, its looking rather bleak. But you would be surprised how much you can come back from on any map, and being all emo because the firts fight didnt go too well for you doent realy help.

https://youtu.be/FIkJmb7PeyM?t=25m
Look at the score at the 25:00 mark. By that point, there was really no swing in momentum, the team that started out well was pretty much set to win. Except no, they weren’t.

Never give up if you want to success. I do not understand people expecting to go everything smoothly from the start till end and if something messes up, say gg and go afk. The comeback is possible in any situation at any time, until the score for one team is not 500 or above. Sometimes even with 4 people, i saw such situations. For solo queueing, i understand it is less possible, as you will encounter lot of people with wrong thinking and behavior. You just have to ignore them and play your best, hope for enemy mistakes and luck for yourself. Sometimes it is not fun, it makes you rage. It is ok, just queue again, hope to see them in enemy team and kick their kitten, look them go afk again, win the match. That is what solo PvP is mostly like. Enjoy!

In LoL they even show players the statistics – possitive talking ppl who work with others have most chances of winning. In any pvp game you meet many negative ppl etc. but those matches with optimists who can win a lost match are imo the best ones. Like one of mine where SUPER RARE thing happened. In all solo q team we went and killed the lord to secure the win 500:470 or so. They expected us to give up as the game seemed over for us. Well, it wasnt. Shame therr is no voice chat so I could help the team spirit some more.

I simply don’t agree with you. There were many matches where my team started bad, losing first mid fight, close decapped just after that, but if you play it smart and doing few good rotations you can turn around that match if people are willing to listen.
I hate when people start typing in chat that the game is lost and that there’s no point in fighting, when there’s always chance to turn things over…

This has nothing to do with positive mindsets. It’s just obvious within the first few minutes whose going to win, the one team simply scores more, kills more of your teammates too easily you know the game is lost. I’ve been playing all day and I experience 2 types of games: either we win by a landslide or they win by a landslide. No close game, no excitement, no real feeling of victory. Only a single game all day was even remotely close and that one was predictable too.
No there’s a fatalism in pvp I find.

Last two matches, just played. Less than 3 minutes in it’s already obvious which team is going to win. Lost both matches, so that was not fun at all in any way shape or form and totally not worth the 4 minute queue. Maybe it’s just the bad match making. I think I’ll leave match making for another month or three… hopefully ANet can fix match-making or whatever.

Stop voting for Foefire or Niflhel, if you complain about a lack of comeback potential.

There’s two things, that totally kill comeback potential:
First, a middle point, which is right in between the two side points, with no way to assault the other side point by going around the contested mid point in a reasonable time(barely dodged the bullet there, Khylo.)
Second, extremely short distances between the points and side points sitting right next to the spawn. If you want to know the problem of Niflhel: The map is simply too compact.

It all boils down to the dominant team’s possibilities to clamp down two points and the weaker team’s possibilities to snatch the enemy’s home point.
Temple has excellent comeback possibilities. People always name the buffs, but even without all those buffs, temple just has a great map layout, where you can just let a dominant AoE composition rot in the pit at the gate and just focus on holding the side points in the upper area.
Temple already has the map layout which allows you to bounce back by playing it smart. Most of the other maps don’t even have proper map layout for comebacks, so tweaking secondary objectives would probably just make the dominant team win even more.

I also really like the map layout of Skyhammer, but the existence of the Skillhammer kind of turns it into a joke.

CureForLiving.5360:

Am I the only one that can judge whether a game is lost or won in the first few minutes?

You cant don’t fool yourself. People quitting/giving up on a 10 minute match, 3 minutes in, when the majority of the match is still to be played is ridiculously stupid.

Your probably tilted in your matches after the first 3 minutes and causing your own results.

I have had several matches we were leading at start (sometimes with 300+ lead) because we did well in duels, then messed up because other team was outrotating us. Similarly I have had many matches where we were losing really bad at start, and then we proceeded to bash some skulls.

First match of the day, and it’s over within the first 3 minutes. 3 capped and down by 200 points right off the bat. The other team wasn’t even good. My team just had no idea what to do. GG ANet

I learned long ago to never give up.

About a year ago I had amazing soloq match where we were getting wiped a lot, got tricapped and were losing 250-0 until we started slowly picking up our first points. Was on temple map. Due to buffs and simply stepping it up and playing better we managed to win 500-496. Since that day I always give my best until the very end.

this is ridiculous.
tonight i’ve had both sides, i’ve had a guy who claimed “we can’t win” (but stuck with it) when the enemy had more points and a higher score early on…we won. and he said he was happily wrong.
and on the other side, i had a guy called Daeg simply say “we’ve lost gl guys!” who leached for the rest of the match, we obviously lost the 4v5.
the first 3 minutes of a 10 minute game only determine the outcome if you let them.

There are two sides to the first 3 minutes. Don’t assume yours is the only one going down the drain. If you fail to win the mid fight and get wiped, it’s not instantly over. Half the time, the other team that won mid will get kitteny and automatically assume they’ve won, reducing their try-hard by a certain amount.

They’ll begin to zerg your home if they’re stupid. This point is what truly determines the match. Will you run to home and go straight in to a 1 vs 3? Or will you wait for the rest of your team to spawn and then zerg home 4/5 vs 3.

Most of the time those zergers on the other side get way in over their head and attempt to run if they don’t have solid footing (especially since if they won mid, it was most likely due to some type of bunker, which they no longer have because they left their bunker to try to zerg your home.

Now if you actually trump those home rushers in that 4 or 5 vs 3, then you effectively reduce the enemy team to 2 vs 5 for about 5~10 seconds. At which point you should zerg mid while one person holds home.

These are scenarios in which you or your team can actually kill someone on the other team. It’s about a 50/50. If you know tactics, then you can tell your team. If your team actually takes your advice to heart instead of taking it as an insult and replying with “kitten, it’s already over,” then you stand a greater chance at succeeding.

Learn these tactics and don’t die within 3 minutes and then give up. There have been quite a few matches where we were 200 points to 400, but the other team got extremely kitteny and were zerging around — until we zerged them back and wiped their team outside of our spawn gate. At which point one capped home, one uncapped far, and the rest solidified mid.

They were caught off guard and too stupid to realize what mistake they’d just made, and were never able to regroup properly and ended up splitting up to no avail because a triple decap was going on.

Like I said, don’t assume you’re losing just because you died. If you get a bad team that literally can’t win a group fight nor a 1 vs 1 and are at 50pts to 350pts, then sure, give up if you want. Just know that half of matches are mind games and a lot of people don’t know how to play them, especially when the moment a team gets knocked off balance, they begin to blame the rest of their team and start arguing for the duration of the match.

Don’t ever assume the team you’re going against is all peachy and coordinated because that’s just setting yourself up to fail.

-Also, and this is important. When you see that you aren’t winning a fight – RUN AWAY. Don’t stay there and die because you’ll just give the other team 5 points and reduce our team to 4 vs 5 for 12 secs. If you see everyone is going down in mid and you have no way to res or the other team is still at max hp, be the smart one and RUN AWAY from the fight and go uncap far. Don’t just stand there and get wiped while the person at home has to be 1 vs 5 for 10 seconds.

hahahaha its funny reading this after the day i had,

1st match we went for 3 caps and guess what we got it. We won far mid and home fight. We start off with a 100-0 lead, the 2 who went far went for lord and loss so we lost far, mid then turned into a 4 vs 3 and 1 capped our home. We then never recovered and lost 500-to like 220.

Another match my team was losing by alot. it was 225-45 and we came back to win.

Both of these matches were over 11 minutes long and when we lost i couldnt believe how fast we crumbled and when we won i couldnt believe we came back but thats why you play the whole thing.

Assuming a match is over within the for 300 points just shows a quitters mentality because ive been part of some epic comebacks and fails

Random Weird Guy.3528:

https://youtu.be/FIkJmb7PeyM?t=25m
Look at the score at the 25:00 mark. By that point, there was really no swing in momentum, the team that started out well was pretty much set to win. Except no, they weren’t.

To be fair, Orange Logo REALLY sharped up there game at that point. They played AMAZINGLY well.

Poor Jeb is freaking out!

Whether you think you can or you think you can’t… you are right.

3 minutes? Lol the round is already over then. Probably 2/3rds of the matches are decided in less than a minute, with the outcome the first center point fight.

Some teams can adapt and turn it around – I have seen amazing wins that was sure losses at the start. But thats rare and far between. Most teams keep butting their heads into an immovable obstacle, getting no points.