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Posted by: Drennon.7190

Drennon.7190

I know that there will be a level of toxicity in any competitive environment, but I also noticed that GW2’s gets worse the further up the ladder you go.

I don’t think that I’m a great player, but judging by the people I group with, my MMR is probably on the higher end of average.

On my second account, I have only done a small amount of matches. During those matches, there is occasional trash talk, but it’s all in competitive nature. The comments are mostly “playful” and typically not personal.

On my main account however, it’s a whole different story. Almost every match this is personal level trash talk. Sometimes directed at me, sometimes directed at others, sometimes you can’t even tell who they are talking to. Typically it’s the same kitten of players. The players who are in the top 50 or so and can’t seem to go a match without putting some one down. Comments such as, “are you a kittening kitten?”, “This guy is autistic”, “go kill yourself!”

“Yeah, but use your block feature!” I do and this does cut down on some of the drama.

“Well then, why do you care?”
It’s common knowledge right now, that queue times are a little bit long. I was wondering if this was due to a very strict match making system or due to not enough players queuing. I’ve had matches with first time ranked players and guys from Abjured, so the system can’t be too too strict. Because of this, I began to wonder if maybe it was due to a general lack of interest from casual players.

My guild is huge on WvW. We field anywhere from 20 to 50 guild members a night in WvW. However, only about 5 of my guildies even venture in conquest. I decided to figure out, why? The response from everyone was pretty uniform. The PvP community is too toxic! I heard story after story of how they just didn’t enjoy spending the whole match being verbally abused. People told me stories of how they loved PvP, but as they did more matches, they began queuing into upper tier players that would belittle them, trash talk them, and say some of the rudest things imaginable.

Solution? Hold people accountable! I remember when GW2 first come out, people were getting hit with suspensions left and right, for verbal abuse. Now? I know certain people that get reported daily and I still see them day after day raging in chat and calling people “kittens” and “autistic.” The fact that these players are not being punished is giving the impression that this behavior is acceptable. My fear is that it will only get worse from here.

Thoughts / Comments?

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Posted by: Shiyo.3578

Shiyo.3578

Report them, it’s what I do.

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

Drennon.7190

Report them, it’s what I do.

I do and so do my friends. However, I see the same players doing the same thing every day.
Where is the accountability?

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Posted by: SobeSoul.6910

SobeSoul.6910

Go back to WvW if you are not equipped to ignore chat, or find four other people to team with. I’m not trying to be mean to you. I see and read worse things in pvp almost on a daily basis. But I either turn off chat or don’t bother contemplating mapchat much.

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Posted by: Sube Dai.8496

Sube Dai.8496

I think ANET could definitely be harder on language.

24-48 hour bans would be good.

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

Drennon.7190

Go back to WvW if you are not equipped to ignore chat, or find four other people to team with. I’m not trying to be mean to you. I see and read worse things in pvp almost on a daily basis. But I either turn off chat or don’t bother contemplating mapchat much.

I enjoy pvp and will continue to do it, no matter what. I just dont know why this behavior has become not only tolerated, but considered acceptable.

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Posted by: Trey Enma.7851

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Go back to WvW if you are not equipped to ignore chat, or find four other people to team with. I’m not trying to be mean to you. I see and read worse things in pvp almost on a daily basis. But I either turn off chat or don’t bother contemplating mapchat much.

I enjoy pvp and will continue to do it, no matter what. I just dont know why this behavior has become not only tolerated, but considered acceptable.

The only reason that I could imagine that they tolerate what they once did not, would be that the game needs as many users that will spend money in the gem store as they can get. I base that purely on my own opinion though, so it’s massively subjective.

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

Drennon.7190

That does make sense unfortunately.

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Posted by: Vieux P.1238

Vieux P.1238

As mentioned.. either block or turn off chat.. problem solved!

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

Drennon.7190

I do block the players that to this, but the bigger issue is the fact that this behavior has become acceptable / expected. As a game that is trying to grow their pvp community, I feel that it would be in their best interest to have a certain standard and hold people to it. The fact that these people are repeatedly reported and still do the same thing, gives people that idea that this type of behavior is okay.

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Posted by: jportell.2197

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I do block the players that to this, but the bigger issue is the fact that this behavior has become acceptable / expected. As a game that is trying to grow their pvp community, I feel that it would be in their best interest to have a certain standard and hold people to it. The fact that these people are repeatedly reported and still do the same thing, gives people that idea that this type of behavior is okay.

This behavior is a stem of either players that “know” what they are doing and make some of the dumbest plays ever or the players that have become frustrated with teams that you would think know how to play a standard pvp match.

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Posted by: SobeSoul.6910

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Maybe there’s so much reporting that they cannot taking the report function seriously or have time to investigate it every time someone uses it. Did that occur to you?

People have been known to abuse report buttons for petty reasons.

I do think instances of people dropping the N bomb and certain other slurring should result in day bans. Some of the raging stuff probably doesn’t really deserve anything more than you ignoring the person.

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Posted by: Lorgus.6148

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I dunno, in my experience maybe one of every 10 games has legitimate rage in them. Also when I was starting out in pvp people raged a lot but not anymore. Maybe the attitudes get better along with the players?

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Posted by: Eyia Hellhide.7320

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My guild is huge on WvW. We field anywhere from 20 to 50 guild members a night in WvW. However, only about 5 of my guildies even venture in conquest. I decided to figure out, why? The response from everyone was pretty uniform. The PvP community is too toxic! I heard story after story of how they just didn’t enjoy spending the whole match being verbally abused. People told me stories of how they loved PvP, but as they did more matches, they began queuing into upper tier players that would belittle them, trash talk them, and say some of the rudest things imaginable.

Thoughts / Comments?

Sorry, I just can’t miss this. There is another point of view, just to let you know. I don’t go WvW exactly because of the community.

When I chose a server I didn’t know it’s a #1 WvW server I didn’t know much about the game at all. But since I’ve always been a PvP orientated player, one of the first things I did was to learn more about WvW, to register on the community server site and to say hey.

You can’t imagine the hostility I faced there, it turned out I have joined this server because I want to “jump on the bangwagon” (bandwagon? Something like this, can’t remember), like all the other noobs who fill up their heroic server, after they had fought day and night and had shed their blood in epic battles to win this rank for the server.

New players were trash talked by veterans, whenever they dared to share opinion. The veterans biting each other trying to prove who’s better commander and who’s useless kitten. Drama everywhere. Elitist GvG guilds, who carefully pick their members by trials. It’s okay of course. But just mention you’re PvPer and you’ll never be allowed to trials. “We’re sorry, you don’t have the skills we need”.

I was disgusted and just stopped going WvW. So please, don’t compare the communities in this way. In PvP I never faced such level of elitism. With my first post here I was warm welcomed and was given a bunch of good advices. It’s common thing top players to join new and inexperienced teams to help them out. And this “elitists” (omg nub team omg go back to PvE) you meet in game are mainly bad players who trying to divert attention of the fact how bad they are by blaming someone else. Nothing really that toxic.

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Posted by: SobeSoul.6910

SobeSoul.6910

GvGers are generally bad players anyways.

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Posted by: Pizz.3698

Pizz.3698

Ranked is usually fine. Unranked is really toxic. Just send the ragers some bags of salt and on to the next game. Dont let yourself get turned off of sPvP because of ragers.

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Posted by: mistsim.2748

mistsim.2748

yes, people are funny. they think by yelling at someone, the player will improve. that’s false. I used to rage at people in ranked, but no longer. I just mind my business and commend good plays. assume loss when match starts, have fun.

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Posted by: Ravenmoon.5318

Ravenmoon.5318

In countries like Germany its illegal to block access to paid service because of what you said AFAIK. Freedom of speech and whatnot. I guess you’re going to have to live with it.

Man up. ANet is not and should not act as a kindergarten supervisor.

If you are being verbally assaulted, block and/or “git gut”. Usually there is a reason for you to kitten people off.

I’ve never had a match with rank 50 players, but trust me, if I was in the top 50 and you screw up my team rotations, I will be sure to tell you how bad of a player you are (not saying you are, but verbal attacks are usually provoked)

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Posted by: mistsim.2748

mistsim.2748

^well again, if you really think about it, telling someone theyre a bad achieves absolutely nothing excepting for you to vent. and venting doesn’t help, because you’ll still be kittened the game was lost in a silly way. yelling at the bad wont make him improve. players are people, and if you want to improve IRL, you have to want it yourself.

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Posted by: Shiyo.3578

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Mists/SPVP is like the best place to go if you want to report people. I see constant verbal abuse and racist language all day. They need to hire someone to just monitor pvp areas like they do with forums and to clean it up

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Posted by: Bloodwort MacFangho.4638

Bloodwort MacFangho.4638

Ranked is usually fine. Unranked is really toxic. Just send the ragers some bags of salt and on to the next game. Dont let yourself get turned off of sPvP because of ragers.

Never been to ranked (I still feel like I have a lot to learn .. 40 matches in unranked is nothing really), so can’t comment on that.
Unranked has been a pleasant surprise. TBH, considering the competetive nature of PvP, I was expecting a lot more abuse towards me, but I’ve only experienced it maybe twice. Once directly which, the player was kind of justified [borderline .. he was downed in a 2 v 1 we were having against I think a turret engie, I managed to down the engie, then got downed as well. I think he expected me to rez him .. my bad]. The second time when one of my team broadcast to all of us that we were pants .. We were.

But, in both those cases, it was fairly mild abuse .. shrug shoulders, get on with it.

In unranked, if any thing, I think there isn’t enough communication between the team members. And by that, I don’t mean ausive comms .. I mean any comms!

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Posted by: Kako.1930

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Psh, you don’t even have to leave the forums to see how toxic our community is sometimes.

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Posted by: timmyf.1490

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Can we talk for a moment about how awful the suggestion “turn off chat” is? If the solution is “ignore your team and everybody else,” how are we supposed to communicate?

I ALWAYS try to chat quick with my team when I join up. Figure out our opening splits, make sure I know what builds people are running, if possible. Most of the time I get zero response.

I assume this is either because 1) it’s unranked and people are too busy doing something on their other monitor 2) nobody cares or 3) they have chat turned off.

Anyway, it’s really disappointing to see players say “turn off chat” instead of “maybe ArenaNet should take verbal abuse more seriously.”

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Posted by: irish.3578

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The problem is….

The toxic behavior starts at the top.

The bad people who are worried folks are going to point the finger at them figure I’ll be toxic first or its acceptable behavior.

You can block whoever you want but after a while but less people will queue due to this behavior. I think this probably effects the middle class of players the most.

With less people in the pool and the current matchmaking system… the spread of play in ranked queue is extreme. I think you need the middle class to be active in PvP whether your on the top, mid or bottom to act as the buffer to keep the game competitive.

So when someone comes on here trying to grow and encourage the community and is not just whining. Saying go back to WvW is pathetic.

I’ve been playing games since UO and in all my time I can’t remember a game being so absolutely frustrating. This game just has to much going for it to be where it is now.

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Posted by: Rym.1469

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Ban Asura and Human Female players.

Replace with Charr players. ;3

Problem solved, never seen any abusive comment from Charr players in PvP.

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Posted by: kdaddy.5431

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I know that there will be a level of toxicity in any competitive environment, but I also noticed that GW2’s gets worse the further up the ladder you go.

I don’t think that I’m a great player, but judging by the people I group with, my MMR is probably on the higher end of average.

On my second account, I have only done a small amount of matches. During those matches, there is occasional trash talk, but it’s all in competitive nature. The comments are mostly “playful” and typically not personal.

On my main account however, it’s a whole different story. Almost every match this is personal level trash talk. Sometimes directed at me, sometimes directed at others, sometimes you can’t even tell who they are talking to. Typically it’s the same kitten of players. The players who are in the top 50 or so and can’t seem to go a match without putting some one down. Comments such as, “are you a kittening kitten?”, “This guy is autistic”, “go kill yourself!”

“Yeah, but use your block feature!” I do and this does cut down on some of the drama.

“Well then, why do you care?”
It’s common knowledge right now, that queue times are a little bit long. I was wondering if this was due to a very strict match making system or due to not enough players queuing. I’ve had matches with first time ranked players and guys from Abjured, so the system can’t be too too strict. Because of this, I began to wonder if maybe it was due to a general lack of interest from casual players.

My guild is huge on WvW. We field anywhere from 20 to 50 guild members a night in WvW. However, only about 5 of my guildies even venture in conquest. I decided to figure out, why? The response from everyone was pretty uniform. The PvP community is too toxic! I heard story after story of how they just didn’t enjoy spending the whole match being verbally abused. People told me stories of how they loved PvP, but as they did more matches, they began queuing into upper tier players that would belittle them, trash talk them, and say some of the rudest things imaginable.

Solution? Hold people accountable! I remember when GW2 first come out, people were getting hit with suspensions left and right, for verbal abuse. Now? I know certain people that get reported daily and I still see them day after day raging in chat and calling people “kittens” and “autistic.” The fact that these players are not being punished is giving the impression that this behavior is acceptable. My fear is that it will only get worse from here.

Thoughts / Comments?

Im sorry i have to disagree, the majority of trash talkers are average players. The best players in the game tend to group up and run threw people that arent grouped up. For instance if you run threw the leader board youll see people with 65% + win rates and i can tell you there not toxic.

The people your talking about is the average player who blames other average players for losses. Also that happens in every competitive pvp area in any game. Also i would also question what your guild mates did. Like for instance coming up with a build and going into a ranked game is the most frustrating thing for veteran players.

Simply put when people come into the game and are new to pvp, you need to join a hotjoin and practice first. Do a few unranked games where its not as toxic and move on from there. Im not 100% sure where your coming from, ive gotten it both ways. For instance people who didnt know me would say p/p thiefs suck and then i drop them and still talk sheet. You get talked to about anything you do,

Omg your using the meta way to venure out the box, wow hambow you must be so skilled, cheese build turret engy, bear bow ranger L2P

No matter what you do trash talkers will talk trash but knowing how to rotate and will cause less friction in the higher end matches.

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Posted by: irish.3578

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lern2rotate… really?

He’s looking for way to improve and grow the community by holding people accountable for their actions. The only problem I have with his solution is that reporting does nothing… so maybe the community itself can stand up and instead of being quiet and tell these folks where to stick it. If from the top down you get berated for toxic behavior it would decrease the amount of it greatly and bring people back to PvP or even this game.

The top players who are 65% win rate or better group queue for the most part, only when they have a full team, or play new acct alts so you don’t know who they are. In addition, I think the worst offenders are the sour grape 50-200 ranked players or so who are a little better than average or those trying to hide on alts. It really is all a matter of perspective but….

This is “basically” a free to play game on the internet. You do not own it.

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Posted by: Penguin.7906

Penguin.7906

Guy i know got 72 hour ban for flaming in soloq, so just report them

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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This is definitely not true. The worst comment I have ever seen from top players, which I find pretty hilarious, is “thief (or [insert class]) please stop dying!”.

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Posted by: Brunners.7251

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It’s not exactly limited to guild wars 2 though, most competitive games have stuff like this.

LoL, for example, is awful community wise.

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

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OP:

It’s not a game issue, it’s more of a social/pychological issue than anything. Anet does what it can by putting in the report options, but they also don’t have unlimited resources to act on every report by every player right away.

Does it suck when you are seeing things in chat that are offensive, whether directed at you, or in general? Certainly. But welcome to the Internet. People are allowed to hid behind being anonymous. And thats fine, but while behind that shield, they tend to let their “true” colors show by how they respond to other people. But there isn’t much one can do about it. Sure they could get a ban, but that isn’t going to change them as a person. As soon as they get back on, they will continue to do the same things.

In the end though it’s all about how you handle it. Just like in RL there are people who are going to say horrible things to you, and there isn’t much you can do about it. How you handle it though is a very different matter. Are you going to let some jerk dictate how you feel? If so, then you’ve already lost.

Instead of trying to change them, try to change yourself. Instead of looking at such speech as an attack on you, look at it as coming from someone who has their own issues (and we all do) and is just lashing out because they don’t know how else to cope. Its a change of perception. And if you can make such a change, you’ll begin to see that all people are pretty much the same, and that we all are kittened up. But you don’t have to effected by someone elses kitten. Offense is a choice. Choose not to be offended and life will be so much easier.

Good luck!

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Posted by: timmyf.1490

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So the problem with players who consistently verbally abuse other players is… that we get offended by it?

“Sorry, it’s the internet!” is a poor excuse. If they do it, ban them. If they come back and do it again, ban them for longer. Start with a 24-hour ban and make it 24 hours longer each time. Once they start getting week-long and two-week-long bans, maybe it’ll change their mind.

Until they buy the game on sale and get a fresh account, of course. But I guess there’s not much you can do about that.

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

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So the problem with players who consistently verbally abuse other players is… that we get offended by it?

“Sorry, it’s the internet!” is a poor excuse. If they do it, ban them. If they come back and do it again, ban them for longer. Start with a 24-hour ban and make it 24 hours longer each time. Once they start getting week-long and two-week-long bans, maybe it’ll change their mind.

Until they buy the game on sale and get a fresh account, of course. But I guess there’s not much you can do about that.

No the problem with verbally abusive players is that they themselves are often acting out based on something else. And the very nature of the internet allows them to do that “safely” (In their minds, because at worst they get banned, but they aren’t going to get physically injured or anything.)

And yes….
How we respond to and react to such things defines us as people. You could choose to be offended, and let them dictate how you feel, how you will react. Allow them to control your emotions and actions. Or you can choose to not take offense, and not them them control you.

When you allow them to control you, you give them more power. You are essentially saying, “I am giving you control over my feelings, and letting you choose how I react to your words.” If you don’t give them that control, then they have no power. Is that going to stop them? Probably not. But it will certainly make your life easier by refusing to let them control you. But there is nothing Anet, nor anyone else, can do to stop them. Becuase the problem lies within themselves. They could be banned, sure. But will that stop them? Not really. Because banning people is only putting a bandaid on and not addressing the real problem of why they are behaving in such a manner in the first place. And that is something that Anet is not responsible for in any way shape or form.

Look at bullying in schools. There are campaigns against bullying, and people standing up and speaking out, and yet bullying still happens? Why is that? Because the reason for why people are bullys is not addressed. It’s the same thing here. We stand up and speak out against kittens in PvP, report and ban them, but the reasons why are not addressed. So it’s still going to happen. If you want it to stop, then get to the bottom of why they are doing it. But again that is not something Anet can, or should, do. However the players can certainly make a step in that direction. But even then it’s up to the indiviual to decide to look into themselves, and make the changes needed to be a better person over all.

So until that happens, the only thing we can do is continue to report, and take a stand and choose not to let such things control us, or dictate how we feel or play the game.

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Posted by: Lictor Alpha.3724

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Report them, it’s what I do.

You can do this? How?

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Posted by: Mysticjedi.6053

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I have found that most toxic community are those players who are high enough to be almost top players. Those who are learning are supportive and I have occasionally been grouped with high end players and found them to be silent or very nice. The worst are those who are almost really good and frustrated that they aren’t and can’t figure out why so they blame matchmaking and others.

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Posted by: Donut.6914

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Who cares man just let them be miserable jerks. If I join a team of really good players and they start to get mad at me for not being as good, I just hit them with a /laugh and a /dance and then I dance at spawn for the rest of the match and laugh as the jerks on my team get mad and lose.

Reporting or trying to change their behavior is pointless, you gotta either ignore them or fight fire with fire. Just hit them with that block button, and if you got thick enough skin, throw some trash talk back at them.

As for your guildies who don’t want to PvP because of trash talk, give them the same advice. I use my block button all the time, in fact I think I’ve blocked about half of the PvP community at this point. It’s there for a reason.

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

Drennon.7190

I have found that most toxic community are those players who are high enough to be almost top players. Those who are learning are supportive and I have occasionally been grouped with high end players and found them to be silent or very nice. The worst are those who are almost really good and frustrated that they aren’t and can’t figure out why so they blame matchmaking and others.

Funny enough, this perfectly describes the main person I was thinking of when I made this thread.

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Posted by: timmyf.1490

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You could choose to be offended, and let them dictate how you feel, how you will react. Allow them to control your emotions and actions. Or you can choose to not take offense, and not them them control you.

When you allow them to control you, you give them more power. You are essentially saying, “I am giving you control over my feelings, and letting you choose how I react to your words.” If you don’t give them that control, then they have no power. Is that going to stop them? Probably not. But it will certainly make your life easier by refusing to let them control you.

A “control” metaphor is useful, but so is a “power” metaphor. I’d prefer to have the power to take action rather than be powerless against them with my only recourse being to hide.

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

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A “control” metaphor is useful, but so is a “power” metaphor. I’d prefer to have the power to take action rather than be powerless against them with my only recourse being to hide.

exactly.

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Posted by: irish.3578

irish.3578

OK here is what everyone is not understanding…..

The OP wants more people to queue to decrease queue times and increase competition. The constant whining in map chat makes his guild friends not play. He thinks the solution to getting more players is to “hold people accountable” through the report feature.

Here is what I think…

The more people that queue for ranked the easier it is to put together good match-ups with lower queue times. It does not matter if someone has high or low MMR all you want is volume.. The toxic behavior, regardless of who does it and why, does make less people queue.

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Posted by: Shylock.4653

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I have found that most toxic community are those players who are high enough to be almost top players. Those who are learning are supportive and I have occasionally been grouped with high end players and found them to be silent or very nice. The worst are those who are almost really good and frustrated that they aren’t and can’t figure out why so they blame matchmaking and others.

In my experience the most toxic players are those who are below average but think they are good. Because they think they are good they blame their team for the lose and even for their own failures.

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

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OK here is what everyone is not understanding…..

The OP wants more people to queue to decrease queue times and increase competition. The constant whining in map chat makes his guild friends not play. He thinks the solution to getting more players is to “hold people accountable” through the report feature.

Here is what I think…

The more people that queue for ranked the easier it is to put together good match-ups with lower queue times. It does not matter if someone has high or low MMR all you want is volume.. The toxic behavior, regardless of who does it and why, does make less people queue.

This. People are skimming the post and think that I don’t want to PvP because of ragers. That’s not the point I was trying to make at all.

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Posted by: Albaraa.1635

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They are just words…teach yourself to not be affected by it, you will live a happier life.

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Posted by: kirito.4138

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They are just words…teach yourself to not be affected by it, you will live a happier life.

NO.. please no. Then I can’t troll people.

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

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You could choose to be offended, and let them dictate how you feel, how you will react. Allow them to control your emotions and actions. Or you can choose to not take offense, and not them them control you.

When you allow them to control you, you give them more power. You are essentially saying, “I am giving you control over my feelings, and letting you choose how I react to your words.” If you don’t give them that control, then they have no power. Is that going to stop them? Probably not. But it will certainly make your life easier by refusing to let them control you.

A “control” metaphor is useful, but so is a “power” metaphor. I’d prefer to have the power to take action rather than be powerless against them with my only recourse being to hide.

It’s not hiding by not letting them bother you. It is in fact taking action. And in doing so you take the power from them.

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Posted by: timmyf.1490

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You could choose to be offended, and let them dictate how you feel, how you will react. Allow them to control your emotions and actions. Or you can choose to not take offense, and not them them control you.

When you allow them to control you, you give them more power. You are essentially saying, “I am giving you control over my feelings, and letting you choose how I react to your words.” If you don’t give them that control, then they have no power. Is that going to stop them? Probably not. But it will certainly make your life easier by refusing to let them control you.

A “control” metaphor is useful, but so is a “power” metaphor. I’d prefer to have the power to take action rather than be powerless against them with my only recourse being to hide.

It’s not hiding by not letting them bother you. It is in fact taking action. And in doing so you take the power from them.

Oh, I don’t let them “bother” me. I just report and move on. I just wish they got banned harder because of those reports.

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Posted by: pdavis.8031

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You could choose to be offended, and let them dictate how you feel, how you will react. Allow them to control your emotions and actions. Or you can choose to not take offense, and not them them control you.

When you allow them to control you, you give them more power. You are essentially saying, “I am giving you control over my feelings, and letting you choose how I react to your words.” If you don’t give them that control, then they have no power. Is that going to stop them? Probably not. But it will certainly make your life easier by refusing to let them control you.

A “control” metaphor is useful, but so is a “power” metaphor. I’d prefer to have the power to take action rather than be powerless against them with my only recourse being to hide.

It’s not hiding by not letting them bother you. It is in fact taking action. And in doing so you take the power from them.

Oh, I don’t let them “bother” me. I just report and move on. I just wish they got banned harder because of those reports.

I can see that, but there are times when action is taken against those people by Anet. Again, they have limited resources available to do that to every report every time, as well as respond to and review WvW reports, PvE/dungeon griefing reports, botting/hacking reports, etc.

I would assume there are thousands of reports each day, and not all of them can instantly be reviewed and acted upon. Plus I am sure that reports are dealt with on a “first come first served” basis, and not so much on the nature of the report.

Thats not to say that nothing is being done. But it’s silly to expect immediate action whenever a report is made.

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Posted by: timmyf.1490

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Thats not to say that nothing is being done. But it’s silly to expect immediate action whenever a report is made.

You could have meant that as a generalized comment, but to clarify: I certainly don’t expect immediate action. But players who are reported repeatedly, day-by-day, over-and-over, those are the ones who should face bans.

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Posted by: Wolfey.3407

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For the most part, I tend to find Ranked to be way more toxic then unranked. With that being said, there is some grain of reason for the toxicity. When ever you introduce a reward(s) for something that is exclusive to a certain ladder, you will have some toxic elements to deal with. For most people, it would seem rather silly to be toxic over a mini or armor pieces but you do have some people who legit want to obtain them.

A lot of the toxic players I’ve ran into seem to be from other games. I’m not going to give those names but I assume it’s easy to guess which games they do come from.

The actual veteran loyal Guild Wars player base (guild wars prophecies – now) is actually very friendly and chill.

The best way to deal with it, as said above is to simply block or report them
(verbal abuse or spamming)

I do find it interesting with the idea on punishing overly toxic players, what are peoples thoughts and opinion on how it should and if it should be done?

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Posted by: Drennon.7190

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For the most part, I tend to find Ranked to be way more toxic then unranked. With that being said, there is some grain of reason for the toxicity. When ever you introduce a reward(s) for something that is exclusive to a certain ladder, you will have some toxic elements to deal with. For most people, it would seem rather silly to be toxic over a mini or armor pieces but you do have some people who legit want to obtain them.

A lot of the toxic players I’ve ran into seem to be from other games. I’m not going to give those names but I assume it’s easy to guess which games they do come from.

The actual veteran loyal Guild Wars player base (guild wars prophecies – now) is actually very friendly and chill.

The best way to deal with it, as said above is to simply block or report them
(verbal abuse or spamming)

I do find it interesting with the idea on punishing overly toxic players, what are peoples thoughts and opinion on how it should and if it should be done?

Maybe an idea along the lines of the dishonor system. 24 hour pvp suspension for first timers / 48 for repeated / and a full game suspension for the ones who just don’t get it.

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