Guild Wars 2

ArthurDent.9538:

Tao.1234:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

LOL at people thinking double ele won abjured. They won because they were simply outplaying and outrotating everyone else. Especially ORNG was extremely bad at rotating and even capturing or holding free points.

Also, there was a moment where those two eles downed 4 ORNG people.

I don’t recall the exact circumstances of this scenario, but let’s be honest this would have to be a combination of both a massive misplay on oRNG and a massive amount of luck for the eles. Or the eles just jumped them while they were around 20% hp each
and all stacked up to be aoe’d down.

Eh, I think it was the moment which turned from an even fight into an outnumbered one for the Abjured. Toker died, but the fight wen’t on and it turned in several people downing. They all got ressed and forced Abjured to leave the point, though.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Shadowrainer.8321:

TheFamster.7806:

Wait if cele eles were so op then why not run with 5 cele eles and just face roll? Oh yeah the abjured only won because of the build, then you should be beating them with even more op/cheesy builds right?

The “well if X class is so OP why don’t peope run 5 of them?!” comments shows peoples low understanding and knowledge of this game. It doesn’t work like that what so ever.

pls..

Exactly the same can be said for people who whine “of course the team with 2 eles won”. No, they won because they clearly had the better tactics and rotations, plus their thief was simply beyond amazing.

ORNG used 2 guardians an won over everyone besides Abjured, so Guardians OP?

pls…

The double ele 100% contributed to winning, it’s not the reason they won, but it probably played more of a role than people like to admit.

Watch how long they simply tanked outnumbered fights, consitantly through out.

That is just huge.

And 2 guardians won so it’s op? I know you’re not saying that it is, but the difference is 2 eles IS stupidly strong. You just can’t compare.

The real resaon oRNG lost though is because they played very poorly.

There is a difference between being outplayed and just playing bad, which no one understands.

Tao.1234:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

LOL at people thinking double ele won abjured. They won because they were simply outplaying and outrotating everyone else. Especially ORNG was extremely bad at rotating and even capturing or holding free points.

ROM personally said after first Temple map, that they’re really bad on it and their team setup is bad for it also.
But, he also mentioned that they’re aware of that problem and they will work on it, to improve their skill on the maps they perform really badly.

Also, there was a moment where those two eles downed 4 ORNG people.

Let’s face it:
- With current Burn condition design and the way D/D ele can AoE Fire fields, it takes simply just 2 Elementalists to kill a whole team in couple of seconds if they’ll place and time their Fire AoE Field skills on specific area.

Is it OP?
Well, tactic wise, it’s a great thing and effect is stunning.
But overall, this system favor D/D build too much and reward is too great for random placement in PvP mode.

As has been mentioned in many threads already, Burn has to be toned down, and the best way would be to bring it back to it’s old design and in the meantime, adjust the new design to be balanced.

Bah…the only thing keeping eles in pvp is the fire build, once you nerf the burning, strategically an ele won’t be able to win any 1vs1 against any decent player.
The profession itself is quite garbage from a design point of view, everything is balanced around water/arcana and the profession is forced into this sustain tank role to be playable, not just usable.

Once you nerf the burning, no decent player would ever die to an ele, the direct damage is far inferior to even rangers and by a mile and…yeah same old story, same actors , really people should use some logic :what’s stopping players from switching classes?.

I mean you nerf something to the ground today..tomorrow people will play something else that has been recently buffed and the same people who whine today against eles, will then whine against the next “hot” thing…a never ending cycle.

Check this article:
http://www.vrworld.com/2009/03/24/mmo-industry-or-the-plague-of-nerfs/

Really..in the end the result remain the same : the best player wins..the bad player complain, so whatever nerf eles, delete them for all I care; ascended gear is account bound and map exploring takes one day.

Just think about it..would a smart player even bother with an UP profession when there are money to be made?, @Phanta would just go back to guardian, @Wakkey maybe war dunno, smart players adapt so..why even bother with asking for nerfs?

Who lose today..will lose tomorrow too lol

Shadowrainer.8321:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Shadowrainer.8321:

TheFamster.7806:

Wait if cele eles were so op then why not run with 5 cele eles and just face roll? Oh yeah the abjured only won because of the build, then you should be beating them with even more op/cheesy builds right?

The “well if X class is so OP why don’t peope run 5 of them?!” comments shows peoples low understanding and knowledge of this game. It doesn’t work like that what so ever.

pls..

Exactly the same can be said for people who whine “of course the team with 2 eles won”. No, they won because they clearly had the better tactics and rotations, plus their thief was simply beyond amazing.

ORNG used 2 guardians an won over everyone besides Abjured, so Guardians OP?

pls…

The double ele 100% contributed to winning, it’s not the reason they won, but it probably played more of a role than people like to admit.

Watch how long they simply tanked outnumbered fights, consitantly through out.

That is just huge.

And 2 guardians won so it’s op? I know you’re not saying that it is, but the difference is 2 eles IS stupidly strong. You just can’t compare.

The real resaon oRNG lost though is because they played very poorly.

There is a difference between being outplayed and just playing bad, which no one understands.

Sure team comp plays some role, but usually not the defining one. And Abjured had a Necro – currently handled as one of the worst classes – that not only was one of their MVPs but also hardcounters eles.

oRNG lost to the Abjured both mechanically and rotation-wise.

Also, now people in EU can shut up saying “NA has no competitive scene and that’s why the Abjured keeps winning”

The fact is they are strong, and that’s why they win.

Also, the the complaint about Ele is getting old. Phantaram had been playing Ele when it was the bottom tier (and still won). They are just good players. oRNG played like pugs on front of the Abjured.

Sunshine.5014:

oRNG lost to the Abjured both mechanically and rotation-wise.

Also, now people in EU can shut up saying “NA has no competitive scene and that’s why the Abjured keeps winning”

The fact is they are strong, and that’s why they win.

Also, the the complaint about Ele is getting old. Phantaram had been playing Ele when it was the bottom tier (and still won). They are just good at their classes. oRNG played like pugs on front of the Abjured.

Abjured win because there is no one on NA to compete. How is that in any way hard to grasp, lol?

The Abjured ARE good, but the rest of NAs top scene is just terrible in comparison.

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

chibbi.3706:

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

I said something similar in that ele being so strong and having 2 gives such a large built in advantage is something people don’t understand, or don’t want to admit.

I wish more people would just open their fan boy eyes to see what you wrote as being pretty truthful. : /

Shadowrainer.8321:

Sunshine.5014:

oRNG lost to the Abjured both mechanically and rotation-wise.

Also, now people in EU can shut up saying “NA has no competitive scene and that’s why the Abjured keeps winning”

The fact is they are strong, and that’s why they win.

Also, the the complaint about Ele is getting old. Phantaram had been playing Ele when it was the bottom tier (and still won). They are just good at their classes. oRNG played like pugs on front of the Abjured.

Abjured win because there is no one on NA to compete. How is that in any way hard to grasp, lol?

The Abjured ARE good, but the rest of NAs top scene is just terrible in comparison.

Imo, having bad competition in your tournaments and therefore not very intensive practice that comes out of this actually gives them a disadvantage in tournies like WTS. Despite the fact they had no real opponents in the weeklies, they were able to beat both teams who have been forcing each other to get better every week, I think that’s quite good.

Collero.7963:

Not to take anything away from Abjured but ORNG were disgusting in those last games and apparently the ORNG Thief (I won’t name names…) has no idea about the importance of decapping – It was HORRIBLE. I’ve never witnessed a more painful watching experience in WTS.

Grats to Abjured also WELL DONE TO TOKER for playing Thief correctly.

I have to agree with you Collero.

chibbi.3706:

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

Dude, oRNG left their points unwatched all the time. They zerg around fighting +1 +2.

The rule is if you +1 for more than 15s and still can’t kill, gotta leave and check the points. That’s basic rotation for any semi-competitive team. They got lost in the zerg fights.

chibbi.3706:

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

Especially if you have 3 classes (warrior/burnguard/thief) who can’t handle any 1v1 against an ele and are supoptimal in 2v2s. But people don’t understand this somehow.

Sunshine.5014:

chibbi.3706:

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

Dude, oRNG left their points unwatched all the time. They zerg around fighting +1 +2.

The rule is if you +1 for more than 15s and still can’t kill, gotta leave and check the points. That’s basic rotation for any semi-competitive team. They got lost in the zerg fights.

Ok so who do you suggest watch the point ?

Tage has to be in teamfights to be effective.
Rom is a zerker warrior, he can’t and shouldn’t watch a point.
Frae is a dps guard, while it can be okayish to hold the point, he has no way to disengage a fight if he gets ganked, and dying leads to a lot of kitten.
Sindrener is a thief, in no way a point holder.
That leaves only denshee (the ele, what a surprise), but since he can’t be everywhere and there is 3 points, this leads to leaving some points unattended.

Sunshine.5014:

Dude, oRNG left their points unwatched all the time. They zerg around fighting +1 +2.

The rule is if you +1 for more than 15s and still can’t kill, gotta leave and check the points. That’s basic rotation for any semi-competitive team. They got lost in the zerg fights.

No wonder NA scene outside Abjured is so bad when this is the knowledge being displayed. Totally clueless.

I’m from EU and it’s hilarious how some people discredit The Abjured for using eles in their comp like some mysic ritual forbid the other teams from playing with 5 eles if they wanted to. Face it – oRNG’s rotations were bad in the grand final and TA took maximum advantage of that. Do I need to remind that oRNG were using a BURN guardian throughout most of the games? Stop crying and give these guys some cheers kitten .

Burn.5401:

I’m from EU and it’s hilarious how some people discredit The Abjured for using eles in their comp like some mysic ritual forbid the other teams from playing with 5 eles if they wanted to. Face it – oRNG’s rotations were bad in the grand final and TA took maximum advantage of that. Do I need to remind that oRNG were using a BURN guardian throughout most of the games? Stop crying and give these guys some cheers kitten .

+1 no one forbid the EU team to play 4 Ele or 5 Ele. It’s clear with the game they they got totally outrotated. Classes or what not doesn’t help oRNG to win if they rotate like that. Ele is just an excuse people try to pull out to explain for the poor performance.

I don’t give a kitten about Murica. You’re baddies

However, I counted on Abjured just because they allowed Necro into PvP, while EU has none.

GG, will watch later.

Burn.5401:

I’m from EU and it’s hilarious how some people discredit The Abjured for using eles in their comp like some mysic ritual forbid the other teams from playing with 5 eles if they wanted to. Face it – oRNG’s rotations were bad in the grand final and TA took maximum advantage of that. Do I need to remind that oRNG were using a BURN guardian throughout most of the games? Stop crying and give these guys some cheers kitten .

Again, it’s extremely hard to have good rotations with such a comp (mostly good at teamfighting) against double ele (and to a lesser extent engi).

Also I fail to see how is playing a burn guard relevant and comparable to having double ele. Ele is by far the best class in the game right now while burn guard is just okay.

Yeah some people are in denial if they’re saying double ele is THE reason Abjured won, Abjured won because oRNG played badly.

However likewise a lot of people also can’t see how the double eles being able to sustain contestion of a point also helped. Let’s also not discredit Nos’ part either, that plague form did its part too.

Again though, double ele is a reason they won but not the biggest reason which is oRNG turned up and played courtyard and just plain didn’t play for points.

Doesn’t matter if they nerf dd cele, tempest can bunker even harder. Watch.

apharma.3741:

Yeah some people are in denial if they’re saying double ele is THE reason Abjured won, Abjured won because oRNG played badly.

However likewise a lot of people also can’t see how the double eles being able to sustain contestion of a point also helped. Let’s also not discredit Nos’ part either, that plague form did its part too.

Again though, double ele is a reason they won but not the biggest reason which is oRNG turned up and played courtyard and just plain didn’t play for points.

oRNG just had a very bad comp that was very hard to work with (hence the terribad rotations), especially against quadruple bruisers (2 of them being broken eles).

Sunshine.5014:

Burn.5401:

I’m from EU and it’s hilarious how some people discredit The Abjured for using eles in their comp like some mysic ritual forbid the other teams from playing with 5 eles if they wanted to. Face it – oRNG’s rotations were bad in the grand final and TA took maximum advantage of that. Do I need to remind that oRNG were using a BURN guardian throughout most of the games? Stop crying and give these guys some cheers kitten .

+1 no one forbid the EU team to play 4 Ele or 5 Ele. It’s clear with the game they they got totally outrotated. Classes or what not doesn’t help oRNG to win if they rotate like that. Ele is just an excuse people try to pull out to explain for the poor performance.

Some people just need an excuse to discredit is all.

chibbi.3706:

apharma.3741:

Yeah some people are in denial if they’re saying double ele is THE reason Abjured won, Abjured won because oRNG played badly.

However likewise a lot of people also can’t see how the double eles being able to sustain contestion of a point also helped. Let’s also not discredit Nos’ part either, that plague form did its part too.

Again though, double ele is a reason they won but not the biggest reason which is oRNG turned up and played courtyard and just plain didn’t play for points.

oRNG just had a very bad comp that was very hard to work with (hence the terribad rotations), especially against quadruple bruisers (2 of them being broken eles).

So what was stopping oRNG from playing the same or even better comp? Enlighten us as you obviously know the gameplan of both teams better then they did.

Burn.5401:

chibbi.3706:

apharma.3741:

Yeah some people are in denial if they’re saying double ele is THE reason Abjured won, Abjured won because oRNG played badly.

However likewise a lot of people also can’t see how the double eles being able to sustain contestion of a point also helped. Let’s also not discredit Nos’ part either, that plague form did its part too.

Again though, double ele is a reason they won but not the biggest reason which is oRNG turned up and played courtyard and just plain didn’t play for points.

oRNG just had a very bad comp that was very hard to work with (hence the terribad rotations), especially against quadruple bruisers (2 of them being broken eles).

So what was stopping oRNG from playing the same or even better comp? Enlighten us as you obviously know the gameplan of both teams better then they did.

Where exactly did I say it was not their fault they had a bad comp ?
Although, most players only play one class, so you try to work with what you have.

good job abjured, specially toker did really alot of wise moves
chaith moa few times was deciding
cele eles…..u did good, phanta is a great guy, but it’s broken, let’s be honest.

was a blast watching some of the games today.

anet: add leagues to pvp? ok
add stronghold to pvp ? ok
team ladder? ok

prioritize class balance over all of this features.

5v5 death match on 1 map would have more players if the game was just balanced.
balance wil lbring back alot of people to competitive scene and tournaments will be more itneresting to watch.

to all the kitten high boiz: NA>EU, EU8=====>NA, colin>china etc…competition was healthy between teams, stop beeing pathetic.

chibbi.3706:

apharma.3741:

Yeah some people are in denial if they’re saying double ele is THE reason Abjured won, Abjured won because oRNG played badly.

However likewise a lot of people also can’t see how the double eles being able to sustain contestion of a point also helped. Let’s also not discredit Nos’ part either, that plague form did its part too.

Again though, double ele is a reason they won but not the biggest reason which is oRNG turned up and played courtyard and just plain didn’t play for points.

oRNG just had a very bad comp that was very hard to work with (hence the terribad rotations), especially against quadruple bruisers (2 of them being broken eles).

No, oRNG played badly. Their thief wasn’t getting decaps on unguarded nodes. Their bunker guard wasted time and potential support doing 1v1s. They ran off nodes constantly to fight instead of capping the node first.

Double ele made it harder and certainly is extremely strong but oRNG made a lot of mistakes which contributed more to the loss than double ele. However double ele did contribute to Abjured winning.

chibbi.3706:

Where exactly did I say it was not their fault they had a bad comp ?
Although, most players only play one class, so you try to work with what you have.

Did you not watch the pregame team captain interview? Both R O M and Five Gauge agreed that having two multi-classers is a minimum requirement.

If you just consider what happend when TCG had lost two players, what happend when oRNG had lost two players and what happend last WTS when Abjured had lost two players…. In all three cases it was nearly kind of match-winning or at least gave an amount of 100+ points. Now compare it with abjured this WTS after the ELE-buff. Chaith and Nos where taken out so many times and it didn’t really matter because duable ele handeled 5v3 meanwhile.

Nobody is denying that oRNG didn’t do any mistakes nor do I say Abjured doesn’t deserve the win but…..
even in a capture and hold system, killing players should be kind of match winning and not getting compensated by playing ele+ele.

apharma.3741:

chibbi.3706:

apharma.3741:

Yeah some people are in denial if they’re saying double ele is THE reason Abjured won, Abjured won because oRNG played badly.

However likewise a lot of people also can’t see how the double eles being able to sustain contestion of a point also helped. Let’s also not discredit Nos’ part either, that plague form did its part too.

Again though, double ele is a reason they won but not the biggest reason which is oRNG turned up and played courtyard and just plain didn’t play for points.

oRNG just had a very bad comp that was very hard to work with (hence the terribad rotations), especially against quadruple bruisers (2 of them being broken eles).

No, oRNG played badly. Their thief wasn’t getting decaps on unguarded nodes. Their bunker guard wasted time and potential support doing 1v1s. They ran off nodes constantly to fight instead of capping the node first.

I do not think they played badly, but Abjured was just better. I agree with the fact Sindrener was nowhere near to the level of Toker’s decaps and that Tage was oftenly left in a pointless fights. Heck, they even said that they played badly on temple. The games were great, though. People should just enjoy it and congratulation to the winners.

Laraley.7695:

I do not think they played badly, but Abjured was just better. I agree with the fact Sindrener was nowhere near to the level of Toker’s decaps

I was actually surprised to see Abjured’s Elementalists go down the most behind #Nostate. Then again, they lost a decent amount of Healing Power after the update.

Boring final double cele ele tanking everything, and Orng playing from what I could see very poorly.

Laraley.7695:

apharma.3741:

chibbi.3706:

apharma.3741:

Yeah some people are in denial if they’re saying double ele is THE reason Abjured won, Abjured won because oRNG played badly.

However likewise a lot of people also can’t see how the double eles being able to sustain contestion of a point also helped. Let’s also not discredit Nos’ part either, that plague form did its part too.

Again though, double ele is a reason they won but not the biggest reason which is oRNG turned up and played courtyard and just plain didn’t play for points.

oRNG just had a very bad comp that was very hard to work with (hence the terribad rotations), especially against quadruple bruisers (2 of them being broken eles).

No, oRNG played badly. Their thief wasn’t getting decaps on unguarded nodes. Their bunker guard wasted time and potential support doing 1v1s. They ran off nodes constantly to fight instead of capping the node first.

I do not think they played badly, but Abjured was just better. I agree with the fact Sindrener was nowhere near to the level of Toker’s decaps and that Tage was oftenly left in a pointless fights. Heck, they even said that they played badly on temple. The games were great, though. People should just enjoy it and congratulation to the winners.

I can maybe agree with that in the first 3 fights before Helseth learnt to be more humble but the final and reset bracket were not even close. Tower did outplay all other thieves though.

Congrats to the Abjured but I think we can say that all the teams are winners here! Receiving thousands of dollars for playing this tiny game is a victory in and of itself! Not to mention being flown out to Germany, a pretty sweet country!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

People forget the thief was able to do such amazing stuff because of the 2 eles being able to tank fights like champs and dominate offensively at the same time.

2 eles taking out 4 people at one point in the matches and they dominated pretty much the whole time. That pretty much was the theme all games, have 2 eles handle multiple fights where they’re outnumbered and setup thief to outcap consistently. It destroyed oRNG’s flow and their offensive prowess in teams due to having to adjust so much to the outcapping.

In short, Ele is broken and it clearly showed this WTS

Abjured came back awesome. But I must say, those first matches they lost to OL, that was more fun to watch than the final.

Yo guys what comps were being run? Many warriors in the top teams? What classes were played in the final

hihey.1075:

Toker is the epitome of carrying. Never seen something like that.

Please stop QQ’ing about double Cele Ele…. The Abjured has always played with 2 Cele Eles….why are you qq’ing now ? why you did not said anything for the past WTS ?

There is nothing to fix about the Cele Ele, but burning has to be fixed !

Abjured is a team playing to win. I think one of the biggest things about them was they were comfortable modifying builds to suit their opponents. We saw Chaith move from a Glass build to a tanky Soldiers build and there were also appearances of D/F ele as opposed to D/D.

Comp wise, oRNG was always at a disadvantage. Warrior is weak right now, and double Guardian is not ideal. Burn guardian in particular is weak vs Elementalist, Necro, and Thief. I have no idea why the casters were going on about it being a strong point for oRNG because it could kill Chaith. It’s a 1v1 build that was weak vs 4 members of the other team in 1v1. We even saw it lose 1v1 to Zan’s soldier Engineer earlier. ROM felt like he was constantly on the run for his life and was rarely a strong positive for his team. His build seemed a bit too ham, especially vs a hybrid sustain comp like the Abjured. oRNG had a comp well suited to play vs the EU meta but it seems like they put no thought at all into modifying it versus a completely different playstyle like Abjured’s.

Temple being a map also increased Abjured’s chances by a LOT. People saying that Abjured is carried by double Ele are absolutely correct: without the absurd amount of sustain, dps and support that an ele brings, their comp starts to fall apart. Since their inception they have been based around using Ele to create a 3 point push strat where they have good chances in all 1v1s and winning 2v2 matchups by pairing an ele with a necro or engineer. Yes, we saw them try playing a team fighting comp with DPS guardian and power necro for a few months, but we also never saw this comp vs WTS tier teams.

In the end, did Abjured deserve to win? I’d say so. Yes, double elementalist is extremely strong, but they also bring a necromancer and an engineer running unique builds, both of which are considered less meta than say, shatter mesmer. Toker was clearly the best thief in the tournament. I felt like their victory was also partially due to their willingness to adapt, and the enemy’s complete unwillingness to change comps or playstyles, and that’s also part of the game.

What were the team comps? Or better yet a link to the match

Of course they were outrotated with 2 guards versus 2 ele what you expect
The necro is a much better point holder than a guard, you don’t lose point capping capability with plague unlike renewed focus and their heal (shelter with smiter boon) don’t get interrupted by ele on full cooldown.
Having 2 ele made the Abjured much more flexible which was their strategy, making sure to decap while also surviving outnumbered fights and Orng sacrificed a lot of mobility taking 2 guards to be somewhat effective in full teamfights but it made little sense in conquest against opponents that can disengage anytime.

Basically the idea of winning by downing players into respawn cooldown of Orng didn’t work against a team full of mobile tanks and it made them all commit to mid and then forced them to decap side points, ending up getting ganked as their party comp was bad at 1v1 and not meant to split up but the Abjured had more versatile builds.

Krakatoa.1843:

Please stop QQ’ing about double Cele Ele…. The Abjured has always played with 2 Cele Eles….why are you qq’ing now ? why you did not said anything for the past WTS ?

There is nothing to fix about the Cele Ele, but burning has to be fixed !

Celestial d/d elementalist was brokenly good already before Jun 23 patch and a lot of players complained about it. I simply fail to understand WHY Arenanet buffed it even further.

The problem is the NOT the celestial amulet, but the high sustain, good dps, good mobility, ability to stack might and team support – all in one build! D/D ele simply has too much goodies and too little weaknesses. If you give the same celestial amulet to most other professions, the result is not going to be that super.

Gmtsai.6349:

Nothing to congratz. I felt shame as a NA player. Double DD Ele, such skill much wow… Even I’m from NA, I cannot feel happy about it. Sad game is sad.

Win may not be impressive.
But fault lies behind developer.

Congrats to the abjured, well played. Sure DD ele is strong, but that isn’t why the abjured won. They had superior tactics AND communication. In every NA Go4, the abjured easily beats everyone because they are 1 step ahead of their opponent and aware of the movement of every player on the map (so they don’t get decapped). At the same time, that same awareness allows them to score constant decaps, resulting in more points and more favorable fights.

Even in EU games, oRNG focuses too much on in-fight efficiency compared to winning the map, and often lose because of it. You can see it in the past when oRNG lost has lost to TCG despite having a ton of kills. The strategy of just getting lots of kills requires you to snowball hard, the abjured even recognized this BEFORE the tourney (see the interview with chaith) and brought a high-sustain brawler comp that can’t really be snowballed (due to how tanky it is and how easily it can push 3 points).

So sure, d/d ele is strong, but if oRNG are professionals they could have adapted to it (like they did during WTS #2, bringing a high-burst comp that countered them very well). Worse comes to worse, they could have easily run a second ele, it isn’t like it is that hard to learn. At the end of the day, their refusal to adapt is what did them in.

chibbi.3706:

Sunshine.5014:

chibbi.3706:

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

Dude, oRNG left their points unwatched all the time. They zerg around fighting +1 +2.

The rule is if you +1 for more than 15s and still can’t kill, gotta leave and check the points. That’s basic rotation for any semi-competitive team. They got lost in the zerg fights.

Ok so who do you suggest watch the point ?

Tage has to be in teamfights to be effective.
Rom is a zerker warrior, he can’t and shouldn’t watch a point.
Frae is a dps guard, while it can be okayish to hold the point, he has no way to disengage a fight if he gets ganked, and dying leads to a lot of kitten.
Sindrener is a thief, in no way a point holder.
That leaves only denshee (the ele, what a surprise), but since he can’t be everywhere and there is 3 points, this leads to leaving some points unattended.

Checking points doesnt mean holding points..
It means literally ‘checking’. Just let the thief or the ele go to the other points while watching minimap and counting the enemies while giving enemies’ location.

Mostly its thief/ele/ranger/mesmer (portal)/engi/warrior who can check points.
Atleast builds that got access to mobility.

Adjust.6903:

Yo guys what comps were being run? Many warriors in the top teams? What classes were played in the final

2 warriors, one shoutbow on TCG and one zerker Ham/GS by oRNG.

Both of them weren’t impressive. (Also I really think zerker war is way better with Longbow instead of Hammer. Was pretty sad to see rom miss like 75% of his hammer hits due to evades/blocks/blinds)

Krakatoa.1843:

why you did not said anything for the past WTS ?

Erm.. We’re actually complaining about Ele since prev meta, which means over half a year already.. So yes, we did ask for nerfs even before the previous WTS.

Terrorsquad.4802:

chibbi.3706:

Sunshine.5014:

chibbi.3706:

To everyone saying abjured didn’t win cuz double ele but cuz they outrotated etc.

The fact that they had double ele helps A LOT to outrotate the enemy team. When a class is so mobile, while being impossible to fight 1v1 and can sustain a 1v2 on point for a while and still disengage after that, and when you have 2 of that, of course you’re gonna outrotate the opponent.

Dude, oRNG left their points unwatched all the time. They zerg around fighting +1 +2.

The rule is if you +1 for more than 15s and still can’t kill, gotta leave and check the points. That’s basic rotation for any semi-competitive team. They got lost in the zerg fights.

Ok so who do you suggest watch the point ?

Tage has to be in teamfights to be effective.
Rom is a zerker warrior, he can’t and shouldn’t watch a point.
Frae is a dps guard, while it can be okayish to hold the point, he has no way to disengage a fight if he gets ganked, and dying leads to a lot of kitten.
Sindrener is a thief, in no way a point holder.
That leaves only denshee (the ele, what a surprise), but since he can’t be everywhere and there is 3 points, this leads to leaving some points unattended.

Checking points doesnt mean holding points..
It means literally ‘checking’. Just let the thief or the ele go to the other points while watching minimap and counting the enemies while giving enemies’ location.

Mostly its thief/ele/ranger/mesmer (portal)/engi/warrior who can check points.
Atleast builds that got access to mobility.

Knowing what TA was up too was not the problem, they just couldn’t answer because their comp was far less mobile and they didn’t have enough good 1v1ers.

I liked alll the matches between Abjured, TCG, and Orng as in all of them where extremely competitive. I’m no great PVP player, but i do pvp because i enjoy competition and love the great mechanics that gw2 brings, to add to this, i see a lot of people hating on double cele ele on The Abjured, i’m not trying to defend on them but imo i think they won not because of what classes they brought but on how great they played them and how well they used there strategies against other teams.

Alot of us watch the ESL matches weekly, it’s not like The Abjured pulled of a roster change or mastered different classes. From what i remember when watching WTS 2 they also brought the same class lineup with 2 eles, and guess what they lost, but they won WTS 3 just today, It’s not the class combo thats op but the people behind that computer who play them so well that makes it look like it. But none of that matters in TOP PVP games, I won’t know, you won’t know either because most of us has never been there because Abjured, TCG, and Orng have been the best consistently for quite some time.

These are all great players, they know coming in what the other teams probably gonna be playing, each of this teams had there own strengths and weaknesses, all 3 tems practiced alot and it was obvious on how good they play there classes. Abjured wasn’t the favorite coming in to this at all as people say that Abjured don’t have competition in NA so they don’t get the competition that TCG and Orng has, but none of that matters during the tournament.

In the end what matters is who brings there A game during the tournament. Orng brought it in WTS 2, and Abjured brought it in WTS 3, thats all there is to it, all the complaining of 2 cele eles are op or burning is op or w/e does not matter, This are great players they about all this. Abjured just played really well today after they lost 1st set against Orng, they turned the tables and played amazingly, you gotta give it to them, love or hate them, the recent patch worked better in there favor this time, just as it did not work on theirs in WTS 2 even when using the same classes( but no one was complaining of 2 cele ele then)….

I’m from NA, i watch mostly all top pvp twitch streamers and ESL, but you can’t blame me for wanting Abjured to win, i know this folks better than the EU teams since i’ve played with and against members of the Abjured in pvp daily. Anyway gratz abjured it, even with Nos getting stomped left n right, and people complaining and hating that 2 cele eles op, you guys sticked through it from last WTS and won it back with a similar lineup but had better strategies and outplayed this great EU teams.

The first matchup of orng vs. The Abjured was way more fun to watch than the finale. It’s like orng lost focus in those last games; they did so many blunders.