Guild Wars 2

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

What’s done with these botting reports? Because I’ve reported it multiple times in game, but I’m not sure how the process works?

Evan Lesh.3295:

The reports go directly to CS and they decide what actions to take against reported users. I believe GW1 would automatically add dishonor based on leeching reports:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dishonorable_Combatant_System

Is there any work being done to implement an automatic-dishonor system like GW1? I know you can’t give timeframes/specifics but just knowing you guys were working on it would be great.

Amaterasu.6280:

What’s done with these botting reports? Because I’ve reported it multiple times in game, but I’m not sure how the process works?

Nothing is done with them. I’ve tracked people who have been reported for teleport hacking (recorded them as well and provided). They were still doing it months later after the reports.

With the pacing of this game, don’t expect the report AFK feature any time soon:
It’s on the list.
It requires back end programming that takes alot of resources.
They’re having discussions about having discussions about it
They want to let the meta settle
They want the “BIG” tool tip changes to settle
They’ve known about the issue but don’t want to hurt the players afking too harshly so they are being very careful with potential fixes
It’s part of the glory rewards update, but first they needed to fix how glory was distributed within game modes they they are hypothetically testing which may or may not be released with the next 2 or 3 years.

I’m sure I missed a few more reasons, maybe someone can help me out.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

So should players have to tolerate being undermanned? Why not add a /resign command like there was in gw1?

Pyriall.5027:

Amaterasu.6280:

What’s done with these botting reports? Because I’ve reported it multiple times in game, but I’m not sure how the process works?

Nothing is done with them. I’ve tracked people who have been reported for teleport hacking (recorded them as well and provided). They were still doing it months later after the reports.

With the pacing of this game, don’t expect the report AFK feature any time soon:
It’s on the list.
It requires back end programming that takes alot of resources.
They’re having discussions about having discussions about it
They want to let the meta settle
They want the “BIG” tool tip changes to settle
They’ve known about the issue but don’t want to hurt the players afking too harshly so they are being very careful with potential fixes
It’s part of the glory rewards update, but first they needed to fix how glory was distributed within game modes they they are hypothetically testing which may or may not be released with the next 2 or 3 years.

I’m sure I missed a few more reasons, maybe someone can help me out.

lmfao everytime a dev makes an excuse like that kitten es me off so hard.

Aza.2105:

Why not add a /resign command like there was in gw1?

Red Resign

While I’d really like folks to be able to concede defeat, resign command would be very hard to do right. You have to reward the winning team with sufficient glory and rank, but you don’t want folks to be able to go into an arena and resign at each other all day, gaining zero-effort ranks.

Limiting resign to ranked matches might be possible, but I can see it frustrating people who come up against, say, an organised guild team - some players want to give up straight away and others want to fight it out, so you’ll get more AFKers and quitters who selfishly ignore the fight when their whole team doesn’t also resign.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Should this be the m.o. for reporting hacking as well?

can we get a report function for syncing in soloq too?

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

So it’s coming soon?

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

So it’s coming soon?

depends what u mean with soon… soon it will be discussed or mentioned in a discussion i think would be the exact state

Pyriall.5027:

Amaterasu.6280:

What’s done with these botting reports? Because I’ve reported it multiple times in game, but I’m not sure how the process works?

Nothing is done with them. I’ve tracked people who have been reported for teleport hacking (recorded them as well and provided). They were still doing it months later after the reports.

With the pacing of this game, don’t expect the report AFK feature any time soon:
It’s on the list.
It requires back end programming that takes alot of resources.
They’re having discussions about having discussions about it
They want to let the meta settle
They want the “BIG” tool tip changes to settle
They’ve known about the issue but don’t want to hurt the players afking too harshly so they are being very careful with potential fixes
It’s part of the glory rewards update, but first they needed to fix how glory was distributed within game modes they they are hypothetically testing which may or may not be released with the next 2 or 3 years.

I’m sure I missed a few more reasons, maybe someone can help me out.

This was actually funny…

It’s on the horizon though.. no really.. it is.

PlagueParade.7942:

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Evan Lesh, are you serious??? I cannot believe this.
So ANet will take action against someone who chooses to AFK due to being on the losing end of a 4v5 (or 3v5) scenario? It’s a waste of time if they play, there is NO OPTION TO RESIGN/LEAVE and the outcome of the match has already been DECIDED. In a 5v5 I always try my absolute best to win, but in a 4v5 I have zero motivation to leave the starting area.

To someone who has faced countless 4v5’s and is completely sick of it, it’s a very tall order to tell them to play that round just for a tiny bit of glory. You know, putting aside the fact how difficult it is to score any points because whenever they try to kill someone (or cap a point), multiple enemies show up and they’re quickly outnumbered.

After facing endless 4v5 scenarios it’s incredibly infuriating at this point that ArenaNet still hasn’t done anything about it…and if you really accept “reports” of people who AFK just because the battle was already lost to begin with, then frankly I am left speechless. Treating them on the same level as botters…unbelievable.

That’s about as polite as I can get in my response to both you and PlagueParade.

Simply unbelievable.

Wintel.4873:

PlagueParade.7942:

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Evan Lesh, are you serious??? I cannot believe this.
So ANet will take action against someone who chooses to AFK due to being on the losing end of a 4v5 (or 3v5) scenario? It’s a waste of time if they play, there is NO OPTION TO RESIGN/LEAVE and the outcome of the match has already been DECIDED. In a 5v5 I always try my absolute best to win, but in a 4v5 I have zero motivation to leave the starting area.

To someone who has faced countless 4v5’s and is completely sick of it, it’s a very tall order to tell them to play that round just for a tiny bit of glory. You know, putting aside the fact how difficult it is to score any points because whenever they try to kill someone (or cap a point), multiple enemies show up and they’re quickly outnumbered.

After facing endless 4v5 scenarios it’s incredibly infuriating at this point that ArenaNet still hasn’t done anything about it…and if you really accept “reports” of people who AFK just because the battle was already lost to begin with, then frankly I am left speechless. Treating them on the same level as botters…unbelievable.

That’s about as polite as I can get in my response to both you and PlagueParade.

Simply unbelievable.

What’s “simply unbelievable” is that you won’t even try. I’ve been in the same boat as you plenty of times but, hey, I’m no quitter and I’ve even won a couple times in a 4v5. It’s called learning tactics. Coordinate with your teammates. Stick in groups of 2 or zerg it. Have a 3 man group cap areas to draw people in and the 4th cap another area or vice versa. I’ll play to gain even a small amount of glory rather than nothing at all. At the very least I can try and gain some experience with multiple people attacking me and I occasionally take one down before being taken out myself. In almost every case, yea the four man group will lose but like I said, I’ve won a handful of times too. How do you think you’re going to get better sitting up there or staying dead on the ground? You think you don’t get killed by multiple people in a 5v5 while your by your lonesome capping an area or taking an orb?

What I do not need are defeatist people like you who whine about it and decide to quit making it worse for the rest of us who TRY to win even if the chances are small. So if someone in my group acts like you I’ll report you as a bot as the dev suggested. I’m here to play pvp not sit on the sidelines bemoaning my bad situation.

PlagueParade.7942:

Wintel.4873:

PlagueParade.7942:

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Evan Lesh, are you serious??? I cannot believe this.
So ANet will take action against someone who chooses to AFK due to being on the losing end of a 4v5 (or 3v5) scenario? It’s a waste of time if they play, there is NO OPTION TO RESIGN/LEAVE and the outcome of the match has already been DECIDED. In a 5v5 I always try my absolute best to win, but in a 4v5 I have zero motivation to leave the starting area.

To someone who has faced countless 4v5’s and is completely sick of it, it’s a very tall order to tell them to play that round just for a tiny bit of glory. You know, putting aside the fact how difficult it is to score any points because whenever they try to kill someone (or cap a point), multiple enemies show up and they’re quickly outnumbered.

After facing endless 4v5 scenarios it’s incredibly infuriating at this point that ArenaNet still hasn’t done anything about it…and if you really accept “reports” of people who AFK just because the battle was already lost to begin with, then frankly I am left speechless. Treating them on the same level as botters…unbelievable.

That’s about as polite as I can get in my response to both you and PlagueParade.

Simply unbelievable.

What’s “simply unbelievable” is that you won’t even try. I’ve been in the same boat as you plenty of times but, hey, I’m no quitter and I’ve even won a couple times in a 4v5. It’s called learning tactics. Coordinate with your teammates. Stick in groups of 2 or zerg it. Have a 3 man group cap areas to draw people in and the 4th cap another area or vice versa. I’ll play to gain even a small amount of glory rather than nothing at all. At the very least I can try and gain some experience with multiple people attacking me and I occasionally take one down before being taken out myself. In almost every case, yea the four man group will lose but like I said, I’ve won a handful of times too. How do you think you’re going to get better sitting up there or staying dead on the ground? You think you don’t get killed by multiple people in a 5v5 while your by your lonesome capping an area or taking an orb?

What I do not need are defeatist people like you who whine about it and decide to quit making it worse for the rest of us who TRY to win even if the chances are small. So if someone in my group acts like you I’ll report you as a bot as the dev suggested. I’m here to play pvp not sit on the sidelines bemoaning my bad situation.

u hasnt noticed the last change? u did not get more glory if u loose 0-500 or 498-500. u will always only get the looseramount. + being best in something. but theyre is no category for being the most stomped person in a game.

PlagueParade.7942:

Wintel.4873:

PlagueParade.7942:

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Evan Lesh, are you serious??? I cannot believe this.
So ANet will take action against someone who chooses to AFK due to being on the losing end of a 4v5 (or 3v5) scenario? It’s a waste of time if they play, there is NO OPTION TO RESIGN/LEAVE and the outcome of the match has already been DECIDED. In a 5v5 I always try my absolute best to win, but in a 4v5 I have zero motivation to leave the starting area.

To someone who has faced countless 4v5’s and is completely sick of it, it’s a very tall order to tell them to play that round just for a tiny bit of glory. You know, putting aside the fact how difficult it is to score any points because whenever they try to kill someone (or cap a point), multiple enemies show up and they’re quickly outnumbered.

After facing endless 4v5 scenarios it’s incredibly infuriating at this point that ArenaNet still hasn’t done anything about it…and if you really accept “reports” of people who AFK just because the battle was already lost to begin with, then frankly I am left speechless. Treating them on the same level as botters…unbelievable.

That’s about as polite as I can get in my response to both you and PlagueParade.

Simply unbelievable.

What’s “simply unbelievable” is that you won’t even try. I’ve been in the same boat as you plenty of times but, hey, I’m no quitter and I’ve even won a couple times in a 4v5. It’s called learning tactics. Coordinate with your teammates. Stick in groups of 2 or zerg it. Have a 3 man group cap areas to draw people in and the 4th cap another area or vice versa. I’ll play to gain even a small amount of glory rather than nothing at all. At the very least I can try and gain some experience with multiple people attacking me and I occasionally take one down before being taken out myself. In almost every case, yea the four man group will lose but like I said, I’ve won a handful of times too. How do you think you’re going to get better sitting up there or staying dead on the ground? You think you don’t get killed by multiple people in a 5v5 while your by your lonesome capping an area or taking an orb?

What I do not need are defeatist people like you who whine about it and decide to quit making it worse for the rest of us who TRY to win even if the chances are small. So if someone in my group acts like you I’ll report you as a bot as the dev suggested. I’m here to play pvp not sit on the sidelines bemoaning my bad situation.

+1 To this. Its great to hear that not everyone just bends over and spreads their cheeks to accept the ramming. If I know I’m gonna lose either way, I go down effin’ fighting; not crying like a wet girl.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

PlagueParade.7942:

Wintel.4873:

PlagueParade.7942:

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Evan Lesh, are you serious??? I cannot believe this.
So ANet will take action against someone who chooses to AFK due to being on the losing end of a 4v5 (or 3v5) scenario? It’s a waste of time if they play, there is NO OPTION TO RESIGN/LEAVE and the outcome of the match has already been DECIDED. In a 5v5 I always try my absolute best to win, but in a 4v5 I have zero motivation to leave the starting area.

To someone who has faced countless 4v5’s and is completely sick of it, it’s a very tall order to tell them to play that round just for a tiny bit of glory. You know, putting aside the fact how difficult it is to score any points because whenever they try to kill someone (or cap a point), multiple enemies show up and they’re quickly outnumbered.

After facing endless 4v5 scenarios it’s incredibly infuriating at this point that ArenaNet still hasn’t done anything about it…and if you really accept “reports” of people who AFK just because the battle was already lost to begin with, then frankly I am left speechless. Treating them on the same level as botters…unbelievable.

That’s about as polite as I can get in my response to both you and PlagueParade.

Simply unbelievable.

What’s “simply unbelievable” is that you won’t even try. I’ve been in the same boat as you plenty of times but, hey, I’m no quitter and I’ve even won a couple times in a 4v5. It’s called learning tactics. Coordinate with your teammates. Stick in groups of 2 or zerg it. Have a 3 man group cap areas to draw people in and the 4th cap another area or vice versa. I’ll play to gain even a small amount of glory rather than nothing at all. At the very least I can try and gain some experience with multiple people attacking me and I occasionally take one down before being taken out myself. In almost every case, yea the four man group will lose but like I said, I’ve won a handful of times too. How do you think you’re going to get better sitting up there or staying dead on the ground? You think you don’t get killed by multiple people in a 5v5 while your by your lonesome capping an area or taking an orb?

What I do not need are defeatist people like you who whine about it and decide to quit making it worse for the rest of us who TRY to win even if the chances are small. So if someone in my group acts like you I’ll report you as a bot as the dev suggested. I’m here to play pvp not sit on the sidelines bemoaning my bad situation.

+1 To this. Its great to hear that not everyone just bends over and spreads their cheeks to accept the ramming. If I know I’m gonna lose either way, I go down effin’ fighting; not crying like a wet girl.

then it doesnt matter if some in your team dont want die repeatly

hooma.9642:

u hasnt noticed the last change? u did not get more glory if u loose 0-500 or 498-500. u will always only get the looseramount. + being best in something. but theyre is no category for being the most stomped person in a game.

You are right I hadn’t noticed this change till after that posting. This does not change the fact that you can still win a 4v5 it is just rare and needs the team to cooperate and communicate with one another more and having one less person not helping the team does not make the situation better. Why do you play PvP? It’s not like you win every match? It’s because you get to fight against other players not sit on the sidelines feeling sorry for yourself. If you’re in a 4v5 zerg it at the least. You may as well go down fighting than moping about up top while the rest of your teammates go out swinging. At least you’ll have their respect. You are in PvP to fight so fight. It’s not like 4v5 matches happen once in a blue moon it happens a lot, more than I or most care for.

But you are right, you won’t get much out of it which is something that the Devs should be working on; to give an incentive for a 4v5 match to be worth fighting. (Edit): Maybe we should get extra glory/rank points if we at least reach 250-300 pts being so handicapped.

hooma.9642:

3132kittenaos Archangel.5071:

PlagueParade.7942:

Wintel.4873:

PlagueParade.7942:

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Evan Lesh, are you serious??? I cannot believe this.
So ANet will take action against someone who chooses to AFK due to being on the losing end of a 4v5 (or 3v5) scenario? It’s a waste of time if they play, there is NO OPTION TO RESIGN/LEAVE and the outcome of the match has already been DECIDED. In a 5v5 I always try my absolute best to win, but in a 4v5 I have zero motivation to leave the starting area.

To someone who has faced countless 4v5’s and is completely sick of it, it’s a very tall order to tell them to play that round just for a tiny bit of glory. You know, putting aside the fact how difficult it is to score any points because whenever they try to kill someone (or cap a point), multiple enemies show up and they’re quickly outnumbered.

After facing endless 4v5 scenarios it’s incredibly infuriating at this point that ArenaNet still hasn’t done anything about it…and if you really accept “reports” of people who AFK just because the battle was already lost to begin with, then frankly I am left speechless. Treating them on the same level as botters…unbelievable.

That’s about as polite as I can get in my response to both you and PlagueParade.

Simply unbelievable.

What’s “simply unbelievable” is that you won’t even try. I’ve been in the same boat as you plenty of times but, hey, I’m no quitter and I’ve even won a couple times in a 4v5. It’s called learning tactics. Coordinate with your teammates. Stick in groups of 2 or zerg it. Have a 3 man group cap areas to draw people in and the 4th cap another area or vice versa. I’ll play to gain even a small amount of glory rather than nothing at all. At the very least I can try and gain some experience with multiple people attacking me and I occasionally take one down before being taken out myself. In almost every case, yea the four man group will lose but like I said, I’ve won a handful of times too. How do you think you’re going to get better sitting up there or staying dead on the ground? You think you don’t get killed by multiple people in a 5v5 while your by your lonesome capping an area or taking an orb?

What I do not need are defeatist people like you who whine about it and decide to quit making it worse for the rest of us who TRY to win even if the chances are small. So if someone in my group acts like you I’ll report you as a bot as the dev suggested. I’m here to play pvp not sit on the sidelines bemoaning my bad situation.

+1 To this. Its great to hear that not everyone just bends over and spreads their cheeks to accept the ramming. If I know I’m gonna lose either way, I go down effin’ fighting; not crying like a wet girl.

then it doesnt matter if some in your team dont want to try repeatly

Fix’d for ya. Even in a 4v5 nothing is certain, giving up when the odds are stacked against you is weak IMO.

Krafty.9758:

3132kittenaos Archangel.5071:

PlagueParade.7942:

Wintel.4873:

PlagueParade.7942:

Is there a way to report people that intentionally do not play because their team is either losing or there’s an afker\ D/Cer (or other various reasons) in the team? Cause on occasion we have this and it gets rather annoying that they stop b/c they’re going to lose. I mean at the least they could fight for the extra glory points you can accumulate while fighting if anything else.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Until we get a report option for being AFK, I suggest just report them for botting.

Evan Lesh, are you serious??? I cannot believe this.
So ANet will take action against someone who chooses to AFK due to being on the losing end of a 4v5 (or 3v5) scenario? It’s a waste of time if they play, there is NO OPTION TO RESIGN/LEAVE and the outcome of the match has already been DECIDED. In a 5v5 I always try my absolute best to win, but in a 4v5 I have zero motivation to leave the starting area.

To someone who has faced countless 4v5’s and is completely sick of it, it’s a very tall order to tell them to play that round just for a tiny bit of glory. You know, putting aside the fact how difficult it is to score any points because whenever they try to kill someone (or cap a point), multiple enemies show up and they’re quickly outnumbered.

After facing endless 4v5 scenarios it’s incredibly infuriating at this point that ArenaNet still hasn’t done anything about it…and if you really accept “reports” of people who AFK just because the battle was already lost to begin with, then frankly I am left speechless. Treating them on the same level as botters…unbelievable.

That’s about as polite as I can get in my response to both you and PlagueParade.

Simply unbelievable.

What’s “simply unbelievable” is that you won’t even try. I’ve been in the same boat as you plenty of times but, hey, I’m no quitter and I’ve even won a couple times in a 4v5. It’s called learning tactics. Coordinate with your teammates. Stick in groups of 2 or zerg it. Have a 3 man group cap areas to draw people in and the 4th cap another area or vice versa. I’ll play to gain even a small amount of glory rather than nothing at all. At the very least I can try and gain some experience with multiple people attacking me and I occasionally take one down before being taken out myself. In almost every case, yea the four man group will lose but like I said, I’ve won a handful of times too. How do you think you’re going to get better sitting up there or staying dead on the ground? You think you don’t get killed by multiple people in a 5v5 while your by your lonesome capping an area or taking an orb?

What I do not need are defeatist people like you who whine about it and decide to quit making it worse for the rest of us who TRY to win even if the chances are small. So if someone in my group acts like you I’ll report you as a bot as the dev suggested. I’m here to play pvp not sit on the sidelines bemoaning my bad situation.

+1 To this. Its great to hear that not everyone just bends over and spreads their cheeks to accept the ramming. If I know I’m gonna lose either way, I go down effin’ fighting; not crying like a wet girl.

Depends…. 4v5 against bads? sure why not stay and have a go. But decent/high rank players? LOL yea buddy you keep reaching for that dream rainbow.

Baby Back Kitten lol.

Yea I will keep “reaching” for it. How else will you get better. And it’s still better than sitting there picking your nose.

Krafty.9758:

Depends…. how big is said finger? lol

But no really, you get better by being in FAIR matches (ie on the same level to eliminate bias from the analysis). This allows for a scenario where at the end of the match you can accurately reflect and analyze your performance. No reasonable analysis can be taken from a 4v5 other than “oh that team was just noobish”.

Show me a match where 4 noobs beat 5 high rated/ranked players… it just won’t ever happen unless the 5 players have gone afk and go down to the pub for a few beers. This may not reflect all 4v5’s or 3v5’s, but the point is people know that as soon as the numbers are not even then its downhill from there. Why not afk in that scenario?

And I’ve told you I’ve won several matches where it was 4v5 and it wasn’t just because the other team was “bad” they were close calls all. Numbers don’t always win it a good strategy will win out if done right. Your analysis doesn’t help you when you are in the thick of it. Your knowledge and experience does. Fighting 1v2 or 1v3 you learn who to kill first before trying the next one and you won’t get that experience sitting up top being bored anyhow. You fight you learn more about your class and others. You don’t learn much staring at the kills you got or points you scored. You learn more when you lose and what you did wrong than when you win and what you did right.

Krafty.9758:

PlagueParade.7942:

Krafty.9758:

Depends…. how big is said finger? lol

But no really, you get better by being in FAIR matches (ie on the same level to eliminate bias from the analysis). This allows for a scenario where at the end of the match you can accurately reflect and analyze your performance. No reasonable analysis can be taken from a 4v5 other than “oh that team was just noobish”.

Show me a match where 4 noobs beat 5 high rated/ranked players… it just won’t ever happen unless the 5 players have gone afk and go down to the pub for a few beers. This may not reflect all 4v5’s or 3v5’s, but the point is people know that as soon as the numbers are not even then its downhill from there. Why not afk in that scenario?

And I’ve told you I’ve won several matches where it was 4v5 and it wasn’t just because the other team was “bad” they were close calls all. Numbers don’t always win it a good strategy will win out if done right. Your analysis doesn’t help you when you are in the thick of it. Your knowledge and experience does. Fighting 1v2 or 1v3 you learn who to kill first before trying the next one and you won’t get that experience sitting up top being bored anyhow. You fight you learn more about your class and others. You don’t learn much staring at the kills you got or points you scored. You learn more when you lose and what you did wrong than when you win and what you did right.

And I’ve told you that you get better by being in FAIR matches. And yes analysis DOES help during a game…. as long as you have a pvp brain about you.

You get better for striving for more and not necessarily by striving for “FAIR.” PvP isn’t a 1v1 match you will tend to fight 1v2 often. That is not FAIR but it happens a lot. So keep hoping for FAIR I’ll live with REALITY, which usually is taking out one with a chunk of your life gone and several skills in cd while another pops in to try and finish what the other one couldn’t.

Krafty.9758:

Show me one part where i said “1v1 = fair”…. I simply claimed ‘fair’. Fair = 5v5 NOT 1v5, not 3v5 etc.

So yes, you stay in that “reality” as long as you want lol

Will do while you cower up top. How’d you put it? “lol”

Krafty.9758:

PlagueParade.7942:

Krafty.9758:

Show me one part where i said “1v1 = fair”…. I simply claimed ‘fair’. Fair = 5v5 NOT 1v5, not 3v5 etc.

So yes, you stay in that “reality” as long as you want lol

Will do while you cower up top. How’d you put it? “lol”

/yawn, come on surely you can do better than that? lol

Still waiting for you to point out where I said 1v1 was fair.

I’ll leave the cowering to you…. seeing as you are doing an awesome job at that.

And I simply stated that even in 5v5 you will most likely not be in a 1v1 situation. Being in a “FAIR” match as you put it will not necessarily make you a better player it could simply be that you are the weakest link of the group being carried by the other 4. The only thing that your supposed “FAIR” match up will be is a higher probability in a better ranking in the leaderboards, which is pretty much a joke. And you will more likely never be in a “FAIR” match up considering the fact that the whole match up system is broken, being stacked from highest to lowest found here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Solo-Arena-Que-Experience/first#post3132699

so your supposed FAIR match up is moot to begin with. I’ve already got the answer I wanted here which was if you are upset about being in a group of four versus one of five and decide to sit it out; well, like the dev suggested, I’ll simply report you for botting. Have a nice day.

So Anet decides to harm people who see that 4v5, 3v5 is pointless or who doesn’t care to continue playing if difference in score is too big. Instead of fixing it they will blame players.

Don’t kid yourself thinking that you will learn trough 4v5. If you win it’s because other people were horrible not because you outplayed them. Sure, I have won 4v5’s but I have never lied to myself that it was my great performance. If you assume both teams having similar skill you will never win uneven match up.

Competitive play is about having same odds at start. If it fails, there is really no reason to keep playing other than wishing your opponents will also have dc/leaver/afker or them just playing horribly.

I’ve been reporting them for scamming because they’ve scammed me out of a game hah, but i’ll start reporting for botting.

PlagueParade.7942:

What’s “simply unbelievable” is that you won’t even try. I’ve been in the same boat as you plenty of times but, hey, I’m no quitter and I’ve even won a couple times in a 4v5. It’s called learning tactics. Coordinate with your teammates. Stick in groups of 2 or zerg it. Have a 3 man group cap areas to draw people in and the 4th cap another area or vice versa. I’ll play to gain even a small amount of glory rather than nothing at all. At the very least I can try and gain some experience with multiple people attacking me and I occasionally take one down before being taken out myself. In almost every case, yea the four man group will lose but like I said, I’ve won a handful of times too. How do you think you’re going to get better sitting up there or staying dead on the ground? You think you don’t get killed by multiple people in a 5v5 while your by your lonesome capping an area or taking an orb?

What I do not need are defeatist people like you who whine about it and decide to quit making it worse for the rest of us who TRY to win even if the chances are small. So if someone in my group acts like you I’ll report you as a bot as the dev suggested. I’m here to play pvp not sit on the sidelines bemoaning my bad situation.

The only one moaning here is you. I don’t moan in 4v5’s, I play another game.
Feel free to go crazy with your “tactics” and valiant bravery getting nowhere and repeatedly dying.

For me PvP is about fairness and balance first, all that other stuff later.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Fix’d for ya. Even in a 4v5 nothing is certain, giving up when the odds are stacked against you is weak IMO.

It’s not about weakness or strength, it’s about being logical. It’s true nothing is certain, but what IS certain is that ANet still hasn’t found a solution to 4v5’s.

You guys probably enjoy the “challenge” of being outnumbered, but I do not.