Guild Wars 2

Appreciate the thread. Plat2/3 NA.
My question is: What is a good profession to turn to when you have dual thief who will not switch?

Hello not so Helseth, Kittymeowmeowmeowmeow!

I am in plat, playing thief/necro/scrapper, what do i do when enemy team has Misha(mes), Sindrener(thief), Zan(scrapper), Fraelina (insert any class here) and my team doesn’t have amazing Lord Helseth (or any top players for that matter)!? The Misha/Sind duo always push for our home and tend to camp it all match. What do, oh amazing not so Helseth Kittykittymeowmeow?

Vicariuz.1605:

Appreciate the thread. Plat2/3 NA.
My question is: What is a good profession to turn to when you have dual thief who will not switch?

Good classes when your team is very squishy:
Ranger, Engi, Warrior(Best pick, can get +1 from either thief to get great value)

Double thief isnt a bad comp to have unless the enemy team directly counter comps it. For instance

Thief thief druid warrior ele
is an amazing comp, especially if enemy team has one thief who has to fear facing both the enemy thieves bopping him.

Question: How to deal power mesmers as a warrior? Ive been facing them so much times since 2 or 3 days and i dont rly have any specific strat. Should i try to kill him in teamfight? Its so hard to kill them and they often scape. Thanks

Note: Im not so good at this game thats means im playing with also bad players in my team, but this 2 weeks i could go from silver1 to silver3 so iguess im improving.

Thank you in advance for the help.

NA server player recently crossed into plat. I’ve been hovering between this and Gold 3 with very close game scores (4xx-500) and ~55% winrate so I feel this is my current skill level and hope to improve.

1. At higher level, is there a difference between druid and engi in terms of roles? I think these 2 profession suit my temperament because even as a necro I frequently end up with top stats for revives and I’ve been thinking of maining one or the other.

2. How do you win if your team comp has no support vs a normal team comp? Today, I had condi engi, double necro (one was me) and double DH vs meta ele, engi, necro, thief and DH on temple. Outside of situations where we managed to get an outnumber we never managed to kill (stomp) anything. Thief was freely decapping and farming us (necros) when we tried to rotate and trying to teamfight into ele, engi and necro didn’t end well.

Any tip for condi/power necro against rifle warriors 1v1?
And is it possible to win 2v2 as necromancer against ele/druid and war with ele on your side?

As a boon corrupter reaper what order should I target enemy classes in general.

Hi, I play condi mes (sw+s/sc+p or t), right now in tier3 silver (down from gold).

My question is what is my role in team now? And really if there’s no thief I know close is mine on start. But after the open, what should I do? And do as mes I should always win every 1v1 fights? Tnx for any advice Kittykiettymeowmew.

What with players that main only one class. In my case elementalist. I won´t have an apropriate manual skill with another classes. Maybe i am good enough for gold or even platin but can´t carry with elemetalist 50% of the games. I might 1:3 (had it two minutes pointholding 1:3 then two come helping and both die in 10s to the same i stalled …) and still loose the match due to team suiciding and not listening constantly or not rotating ….
I am to old and have not time to train multiple classes to a high level. I trained warrior so i have a mobile option but i played ele WvW and over 1k PvP matches warrior is not even 10% of that. With anny other class my skill is abyssal. OK i can play annything and instapop newbies but can only stand my ground against average or beyond on ele and war and ele is far superieor for me.

Thanks for the thread. I’m silver 2 ATM. I play shoutbow druid (basically ROM’s build – I have watched some of his streams too).

At the start of the match, I’m not sure whether I should go to mid to help with the team fight there, or push far. Pushing far seems useful since it slows down the enemy team. I seem to win more matches when I do this, rather than fight on mid the whole time. But if I do it up front then my team might be undermanned in the mid fight.

This is a side comment,

You should post more videos onto youtube, the carry games and the duo que arah path 2 were hilarious clips.

question here re ELE (dagger/focus typical meta build)

I find im doing ok until I become the focus of the attack ( I focus on rotation and not ending up 1v1), so my question is, how do you deal with this in terms of spell selection etc, for example i’m along the lines of the following, but i dont feel i have control yet:

1. Identify im under focus
2. If I start dropping a lot of health I switch to stone, pop invuln then run, switching to ice to cast cc as i run to slow them down then air for speed boost
3. hope they give up and drop off me (i run through the main fight if i can) sometimes i turn and face them down, but at that point they know I have felt the need to run and have blown cool downs.

Is Stone – water – air good? should i be facing opponent down more? What would you do?

Starlett.9087:

Question: How to deal power mesmers as a warrior? Ive been facing them so much times since 2 or 3 days and i dont rly have any specific strat. Should i try to kill him in teamfight? Its so hard to kill them and they often scape. Thanks

Note: Im not so good at this game thats means im playing with also bad players in my team, but this 2 weeks i could go from silver1 to silver3 so iguess im improving.

as condi warrior (rabid, wanderer) make sure to spam your f1s endlessly to give you enough regen to outsustain the mes.

as zerk warrior you have to be careful and time your endure pain according to his burst

The mesmer burst works like this:

greatsword 2, blink, stun burst

so when you see gs2 be cast prepare yourself.

Honestly, just find a mes to do this MU with for 1 hour and u’ll be good forever.

‘’Hi, I play condi mes (sw+s/sc+p or t), right now in tier3 silver (down from gold).’’

ur job is to go the standard condi mes build for starters. You gain nothing from playing the weaponsets you pick

‘’At the start of the match, I’m not sure whether I should go to mid to help with the team fight there, or push far. Pushing far seems useful since it slows down the enemy team. I seem to win more matches when I do this, rather than fight on mid the whole time. But if I do it up front then my team might be undermanned in the mid fight.
’’

If you wanna carry try to place yourself in as many teamfights as possible. If you’re looking for a stable decent role cap close and support allies while making sure you guys always have the sidecaps. For instance, if you’re losing middle then be sure to rotate far to decap before you die.

‘’whats diff between ranger and engi rolewise’’

Engi is better in larger fights, ranger has the ability to decap far+close easier. Example: if you’re ranger on clocktower you have the ability to sit on the ledge and support while also being able to go close before anyone decaps. Engi has to go on node.

Sure, I’ll bite. D/P meta Daredevil.

Silver 3/Gold1. The below scenario seems to consist of around 30% of the games I play. With just one or two competent players in mid it’s pretty much a steamroll as I usually don’t let the enemy hold more than point at a time.

How, on a thief, do I carry a game where my team cannot fight 4v1/2 against someone in mid and consistently wipes to one/two people, while the rest of the opposing team can split 2-2/2-1/1-2 far/home making decapping not very feasible for me without a very extended fight, and my team can’t take any others, either, unless I’m there to win it for them? If they also refuse to rotate into fights I start on sides, what do?

Is 50-70% of team damage considered okay? How do I get the top reviver as a thief since it’s typically the only top-player bonus I don’t have?

D/P daredevil
Plat 1 and 2. I’ve encountered this situation quite a bit and it’s mostly just lack of experience for me but I am not ever sure what to do in this case.

As a thief, a ton of my rotation is decapping far and then rotating to +1 the fights after someone has left them in order to snowball the match. But I’ve seen an increasing number of people who want to try and solo carry by going far and holding against whoever comes to them while we try to hold other points. In that situation my rotations are messed up as decapping far is no longer a strat and the other team more often than not just takes the 4v5 to the other two points. What should I do in that situation? Cause I don’t 1v1 efficiently in this meta and most of the fights will be even, if not outnumbered.

As I said there’s probably an easy answer but I just don’t have rotations perfected yet so I could use some help for situations where I go out of my norm.

Oh and most of these matches the enemy has an ele, druid, DH, and scrapper with the last one varying between thief, war, and necro most often.

Ario.8964:

D/P daredevil
Plat 1 and 2. I’ve encountered this situation quite a bit and it’s mostly just lack of experience for me but I am not ever sure what to do in this case.

As a thief, a ton of my rotation is decapping far and then rotating to +1 the fights after someone has left them in order to snowball the match. But I’ve seen an increasing number of people who want to try and solo carry by going far and holding against whoever comes to them while we try to hold other points. In that situation my rotations are messed up as decapping far is no longer a strat and the other team more often than not just takes the 4v5 to the other two points. What should I do in that situation? Cause I don’t 1v1 efficiently in this meta and most of the fights will be even, if not outnumbered.

As I said there’s probably an easy answer but I just don’t have rotations perfected yet so I could use some help for situations where I go out of my norm.

Oh and most of these matches the enemy has an ele, druid, DH, and scrapper with the last one varying between thief, war, and necro most often.

This is a good question.

Someone wants to carry by pushing far: What class is this certain someone?

Let’s say its a mesmer:

If hes 1v1 then you have an excellent +1 chance to outnumber for him. You still outnumber, that’s your job as a thief.

Generally, the idea behind carrying for pushing far is the following: I push far. If I’m 1v1 I win it, if I’m 2v1 my team is not to make a slow rotation to me and create a 2v2 after I’ve been 2v1 for 30s because that just means you’re starting a 2v2 where I have 0 cds and hp. So if I’m 2v1, you outnumber mid/close and snowball the map that way.

If however you have a matchup you want to +1 (which really is any matchup where you as a thief can realistically get a kill when outnumbering, almost any tbh) then take it. Ignore plebs telling you not to go. You’re just doing your job.

nothelseth.4621:

Ario.8964:

D/P daredevil
Plat 1 and 2. I’ve encountered this situation quite a bit and it’s mostly just lack of experience for me but I am not ever sure what to do in this case.

As a thief, a ton of my rotation is decapping far and then rotating to +1 the fights after someone has left them in order to snowball the match. But I’ve seen an increasing number of people who want to try and solo carry by going far and holding against whoever comes to them while we try to hold other points. In that situation my rotations are messed up as decapping far is no longer a strat and the other team more often than not just takes the 4v5 to the other two points. What should I do in that situation? Cause I don’t 1v1 efficiently in this meta and most of the fights will be even, if not outnumbered.

As I said there’s probably an easy answer but I just don’t have rotations perfected yet so I could use some help for situations where I go out of my norm.

Oh and most of these matches the enemy has an ele, druid, DH, and scrapper with the last one varying between thief, war, and necro most often.

This is a good question.

Someone wants to carry by pushing far: What class is this certain someone?

Let’s say its a mesmer:

If hes 1v1 then you have an excellent +1 chance to outnumber for him. You still outnumber, that’s your job as a thief.

Generally, the idea behind carrying for pushing far is the following: I push far. If I’m 1v1 I win it, if I’m 2v1 my team is not to make a slow rotation to me and create a 2v2 after I’ve been 2v1 for 30s because that just means you’re starting a 2v2 where I have 0 cds and hp. So if I’m 2v1, you outnumber mid/close and snowball the map that way.

If however you have a matchup you want to +1 (which really is any matchup where you as a thief can realistically get a kill when outnumbering, almost any tbh) then take it. Ignore plebs telling you not to go. You’re just doing your job.

Does the rotation change at all if they refuse to leave far and the enemy decides to play my team’s close and mid 4v5?

Appreciate the thread and your willingness to help the pvp community. I cannot stress enough how important it is to have knowledge of all classes even if you don’t play them. I’m still trying to crack the rubik’s cube of condi mesmer lol.

Currently playing D/P Thief in low Bronze (792 atm, climbing slowly).
Most matches are fairly good. I end up out-rotating the team, or holding well 1v1 or 1v2 for a bit before disengaging.

For the start of the match, I normally aim to do 1-4-0. If someone claims home, I go mid and try to do as much as possible to ensure the mid fight wins before leaving to decap far or +1 home if need be. If nobody claims home, I try to cap it quickly and hope that the enemy team doesn’t send anyone there (can’t hold it for too long when that happens).

I’ve had other matches though, where instead of 4 going mid, only 2 did. The other 2 casually walked away from mid and started making their way far (Skyhammer, after far had been capped). Of course, in that same match, 2 of the enemy team came to home and I couldn’t hold it (either die or forced to disengage). Far was basically unguarded, and mid was bunkered in that match, so I wasn’t entirely sure what to do (team didn’t regroup to take back home or mid).

As a D/P Thief, I generally know what I should be doing: +1 a 1v1, decap far, or put some pressure on a team fight. The results aren’t exactly the most consistent, but seems to work well most of the time.

I suppose the question is, should I keep playing D/P Thief, or play something that’s probably a bit more consistent? Like staff Thief for instance, which could work better in lower divisions.

Hello nothelseth!

I main and primarily play guardian/DH and currently am in low tier platinum though probably belong in high tier gold. While I am very confident in my mechanical skills, I think I lack when it comes to actually “playing” the game mode. My question is: Can you offer some general advice on rotations (for power-based guard/DH) and how they might differ for specific maps? Should I focus on side points, bunkering one specific point, avoid certain classes, try to isolate certain classes 1v1, +1 or not +1 certain scenarios?

Thanks in advance for your insight!

Can you tell me the current meta, or direct me to a good place to read it?.
Me and my friend duo. A year ago we got up to sapphire I think, or whatever the 3rd rank was. I always played a bunker Guardian and he played a reaper. I’d give him my feel my wrathe ult, and he’d tear them down with his fast reaper abilities. I’d use M/Shield and Staff and just give out boons and heal myself. I could hold for a pretty long time in a 1v2 or 1v3 scenario, and based on how many people were on me my friend could either come help me kill them or take advantage of the opportunity to go somewhere else while they were distracte, and we carried games pretty well. We’re interested in getting back in to pvp but we wanna know what the current Meta looks like, and if our play style fits in currently

Oh great meowseth. How does one climb as ventari rev? JK idk who in their right mind would do that…

I am a bit of a standstill atm, I originally placed gold climbed to plat, then real life cough up and degraded to bronze. Now I cant get out of higher silver. I am primarily playing daredevil and power druid.

I run into this issue very frequently where our team fragments and two people repeatedly go mid to die, one attempts far and one attempts to hold home. What ends up happening is we get steamrolled everywhere else but where I go. 9/10 the result is we get rolled and never catch up afterwards.

What should I be doing in this situation? I’ve tried telling people buddy system… but no one listens at this range (1250-1350)

Also what other classes than mesmer do you see as easy to carry games.

Question about opening splits. In Silver – Gold Meta, Thieves or Mes are relegated to capping home and then rotating out to far or join into the team fight at mid. Watching your/Sindrener’s streams though, you often are either going to mid for a stealth opener attack, or if both of you are together, a quick gank on the enemy at far. Is this something you only recommend to high tier players? or something that plebians should pick up?

alemfi.5107:

Question about opening splits. In Silver – Gold Meta, Thieves or Mes are relegated to capping home and then rotating out to far or join into the team fight at mid. Watching your/Sindrener’s streams though, you often are either going to mid for a stealth opener attack, or if both of you are together, a quick gank on the enemy at far. Is this something you only recommend to high tier players? or something that plebians should pick up?

The offensive opening is by far the best to do. However, it’s just a problem that your team wont be able to handle the coordination. At high level stealth spiking far means that we’ll most likely get a 2cap at the open if the enemy does a standard split (4-1). this means that our teammates disengage middle and cover sides, mesmer thief attacks middle and we try to constantly win a 2nd cap.

However, plebs wont do this. They’ll go middle 2v4 and get wiped. Then the guy who capped close will go middle and die. Because of this I went far and tried to get as many people as possible to attack me by distrupting their movement to middle. This means MY team is outnumbering middle instead, giving the plebs a better chance of winning

tl;dr its adapting to ur teammates

In lower levels, always try to have the mentality of ‘’nobody ever disengages’‘. This means that whatever side that outnumbers with more player generally always wins. If YOU can disengage a 2v1 you’re doing a huge boon for your team because you can put your money that the plebs in silver etc will not be disengaging the 3v4.

@Arcaedus you want to follow targets that you can deliver pain to generally. DH is an extremely matchup dependant class, meaning it can be completely useless vs certain things and insane vs others.

Things you love chasing:

Mesmer, thief, warrior, necro, rev

Things you hate being up against;
Ele, engi, druid

Even if you’re in a happy matchup like necro if that necro is with an ele it suddenly turns into a bad one.

@ario if someone is camping a node and refusing to leave it then you’re always in trouble no matter what node that is. This is a problem at all levels and it really sucks when people do this. You’ll have to communicate and get them out of there, be persuasive, not rude.

Once I just ran to the node the guy was afking on and stood there until he realized I wouldnt leave. When he did , I left the node too and now it’s a 5v5 again. We won that game.

@kdaddy You’re confused. You’re talking to nothelseth.4621. I’m not helseth, the guy posting those videos.

I know the extremely handsome guy though and he said that he is uploading a new carry video this week.

@torvis

a great website is metabattle.com

All this stuff you are posting is well and good but you know it is very dependent on getting the plebs to listen. Everyone cant win far point duels at a 100% clip or every 2v2 there in at 100% clip like you can. You cant believe how many matches Im in where I hold far for extended periods of time and your average pug can’t take home or middle with 3 or 4. To me the only way you can carry is to be the type of player that literally can take far at will 1v1. Its not even good enough to be able to rush far with a another person and hold it for an extended period of time the other team will just avoid you and focus on the weak players. I guess what Im saying is what your saying makes a lot of sense but in actuality what allows you to win is your very high level of twitch skills not these strategies. These strategies are actually easily apparent to anyone with hundreds of hours of playing conquest. Your skill level is what is not easily copied.

How to 1v1 a Mesmer with a necro.

Crinn.7864:

How to 1v1 a Mesmer with a necro.

Peck, Squawk, and Flap are your best tools to fight a mes 1v1 as a necro.
It’s a tough matchup, but if you believe in the moa that believes in you, you’ll pull through.

alemfi.5107:

Crinn.7864:

How to 1v1 a Mesmer with a necro.

Peck, Squawk, and Flap are your best tools to fight a mes 1v1 as a necro.
It’s a tough matchup, but if you believe in the moa that believes in you, you’ll pull through.

I’m one with the moa and the moa is with me. I’m one with the moa and the moa is with me. I’m one with the moa and the moa is with me….

Oh glorious kittykittymeowmew — We Are Not Worthy!

Hi (not)helseth!

I’m really thankful for all the effort you put in your streams and here on the forum to give us “people who don’t even deserve to be carried” a help to improve our gameplay.

I main engi and I’m low platinum /high gold atm (down from plat 2). There are many many many questions that I would like to ask, but due to time issues I’ll just ask a few of them:

1) How can you improve your rotations? ESL matches don’t seem similar to usual ranked matches, streamers choses aren’t often simple to understand and just playing in solo Q without having advices doesn’t seem much helpful.

2) Do you think that starting a match by going far as an engi is good (I mean in the smallest maps, like Forest)? I saw Zan and other in legendary do that but I’m not sure if it’s good for a lower tier player. If yes, which are the enemy team comps that you would prefer to do that?

3) When should you Toss Elixir X and Signet of Humility? How differently would you play one from the other? Should you play them differently if you’re duo queuing with a thief?

4) How should you fight mesmers as an engi (a part from not attacking during shield 4 and blocking/dodging shatters and cleanse confusion stacks)? From the duels between Zan Yarr and Lord Helseth mesmers seems quite a simple match for engis, but I still have many problems with them.

5) How would you approach to a dh whose build is unknown (burning? meditrapper?)? Would you run offensive to make him finish his blocks/invulnerabilities? Or staying defensive and focus on retaliation/healing while spamming damaging fields? Or how?

Thank you for your important help!

Helseth, you do not understand the reason players like myself regularly QQ on the forums. It’s not because we’re bad, it’s not because we want to get better, it’s because the enjoyment we get out of this game is dwindling to nothing at this point. We don’t just want to be able to beat condi wars, for example, we want to have fun while doing it. We’re tired of getting farmed by easy and spammy builds that carry people because we just want to play a class how we want to play it. We’re bored of playing support ele, but we love ele and we see the potential in it. We’re tired of playing condi necro and we just want to be able to burst. We’re tired of power scrapper, we’re tired of how the game is going in the wrong direction, in our opinions, and the creators of this game deserves to know customers’ feedback.

Poelala.2830:

Helseth, you do not understand the reason players like myself regularly QQ on the forums. It’s not because we’re bad, it’s not because we want to get better, it’s because the enjoyment we get out of this game is dwindling to nothing at this point. We don’t just want to be able to beat condi wars, for example, we want to have fun while doing it. We’re tired of getting farmed by easy and spammy builds that carry people because we just want to play a class how we want to play it. We’re bored of playing support ele, but we love ele and we see the potential in it. We’re tired of playing condi necro and we just want to be able to burst. We’re tired of power scrapper, we’re tired of how the game is going in the wrong direction, in our opinions, and the creators of this game deserves to know customers’ feedback.

If you want to play power necro then I suggest you try out the meta power necro that 99% of the high ranking necros use now. You know, the build with some of the highest burst in the game..

Condi war is a rare sidespec compared to ZERKER war right now. I should also add that both condi war and zerker war are some of the highest possible skillcap specs.

In general, all the balance forum complaints are completely misinformed and based on a lack of knowledge on how to fight these builds which is very ironic considering that the complaint is usually ’’they’re unskilled’’. A personal pet peeve is people complaining about condi mes being ’’unskilled’’ and wishing for power mesmer to return, a build which didnt even require close to as much mechanical ability as the chronophantasma build does.

This is the one and only response I’ll give to someone trying to sidetrack this thread with useless complaints. If you want to enjoy such a thread, go ahead and join one of the many others on the forums or make another one yourself. I’ll use this space to help people who want to improve get better at the game. If you want to enjoy that offer I suggest you ask a question.

@vander

1. The best way to improve your rotations is to record your matches. You don’t need a beautiful high quality recording or anything since all you need to know is the rotations, set up a cellphone on the side and have it record your monitor if you have no options at all. After that, look at the match and try to find every single time you were not useful. For instance, did you have a time in this match where you were AFK on a point, ’’guarding’’ it for 30s while your team was fighting 4v5 on the map? This is a very common one.

Set up goals for how you want to rotate. You plya engi yea? What classes do you like facing?

Well in 1v1 you like facing mesmer, DH and condi war (run to the other side of the planet vs zerk war tho). In 2v2 you like having a necro companion. In 3v3 You like having a necro companion along with another dps. In 4v4 you like having at least one ele by your side.

Learn to disengage matchups. Once you’re in a matchup you know isnt good try to see if you can make a play. For instance, lets say you have an engi friend with you and you’re facing an engi necro. You guys will never be able to stomp the necro and once one of you go down the necro is going to outcleave you. Time to rotate out and see if you can pick a better MU.

Every single lost fight is a potential misrotation from your end. If you look at it this way, even if it’s not true every time, you’ll find improvement.

2. Starting far in lower level is a great idea because people like sending multiple attackers to try to outnumber you. When that happens you’re indirectly carrying middle by having it be outnumbered.

3. The ultimate time to use elixir x is on a necro after hes being forced into deathshroud for the first time in the fight. Most of the time this is after they dont have a heal ready and they’re on 50% so they’re relying on the DS to wait for cds. If you moa them there you can have a perfect kill chance.

4. https://www.twitch.tv/zananananan/v/112380011 this past broadcast contains plenty of zan gameplay which also includes duels vs me. Learn from the best engi.

5.Always go ham and force cds. it’s a winning matchup either way so no need to be scared. The only way you can really lose as a scrapper vs a dh is if you’re too defensive.

‘’how to 1v1 a mesmer with a necro’’
If you counterbuild with double plauge signet (1 trait, 1 util), possibly add unblockable shout then yo uactually have a possible matchup vs the mesmer. You’re kind of leaving the role of a meta necro build then though. If you play the meta build, mesmer is your poison so avoid it.

Had a huge post deleted and infracted so hopefully some of you guys who posted the questions earlier caught that before it happened. If you didnt, repeat your question.

Ive also sent a mail asking why it got infracted since I wrote absolutely nothing offensive in it, maybe it’ll be restored.

Hi nothelseth,
Scrapper power hammy plat t2/3.
My question to repair myself if am I wrong: I was have game, where I rush far and engage another scrappy. After around half minute I cap point (thanks blasty gyro) and still dueling with scrappy. Then from nowhere, our revenant come to " help me"… enemy engi run away and he chasing him. I was stay on point (enemy thief is somewhere near) then our rev run to me, with angry full hp scrapper in tornado and thief finish him. My thief fast help me and we secure point, BUT this rev send me many pms how bad I am and other rude words(something that I not heal him, support him) is that really nessesary for engi to be a healer or support? Sneaky on CD and thief use shadowstep stomp. So it was my fail that he die? This happen to me more times. And I dont know ehat more i must doo. I ress around 4 times ppl per game, removing condis on CD from them but healing i didn’t expect.

Thanks for answer, I need to clear it!

“not” helseth can you please tell me what is the optimal moa combo. I know you set it up with shield 5 but after that i sometimes mess it up.

Poelala.2830:

Helseth, you do not understand the reason players like myself regularly QQ on the forums. It’s not because we’re bad, it’s not because we want to get better, it’s because the enjoyment we get out of this game is dwindling to nothing at this point. We don’t just want to be able to beat condi wars, for example, we want to have fun while doing it. We’re tired of getting farmed by easy and spammy builds that carry people because we just want to play a class how we want to play it. We’re bored of playing support ele, but we love ele and we see the potential in it. We’re tired of playing condi necro and we just want to be able to burst. We’re tired of power scrapper, we’re tired of how the game is going in the wrong direction, in our opinions, and the creators of this game deserves to know customers’ feedback.

you wont be able to win this argument like that because alot of builds have counters which is why at high level plays 1 vs 1 go on for ever.

What i will agree with is that games speed has gone up 20 times, warriors use to set up bursts in 45 sec. Now in 45sec they need to land 3-5 bursts to stay alive.

Also build diversity is weak, its not about the skill it takes to play condi or power mesmer but the ability to play either at a high level.

I understand what you are saying though.

you wont be able to win this argument like that because alot of builds have counters which is why at high level plays 1 vs 1 go on for ever.

What i will agree with is that games speed has gone up 20 times, warriors use to set up bursts in 45 sec. Now in 45sec they need to land 3-5 bursts to stay alive.

Also build diversity is weak, its not about the skill it takes to play condi or power mesmer but the ability to play either at a high level.

I understand what you are saying though.
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>A lot of builds have counters which is why 1v1s involving skilled players last forever
That doesn’t make sense. Yes, builds have counters, duh. What does that have to do with the false assumption that 1v1s involving skilled players last forever? That’s false, and that is easily proven false. Look at the esl pro leagues, watch the entire streams, you’ll see that 1v1s happen quickly. Look at very skilled players like Min Scherzo, his 1v1s are relatively fast. Look at 1v1s with Drazeh against Helseth. Those don’t take more than 3 minutes. You’re confusing skill with bunker builds.

The second part of your response is unintelligible. Also, wars are considered tanky bursters by EVERYONE, look at Sindrener, he speaks about them all the time that way, you’re wrong again.

And the idea that “build diversity is weak” makes no sense whatsoever. How does that make any sense at all? Like actually take your time and explain it to me thoroughly because it just seems as though you want to disagree with people without using any critical thinking faculties at all. Also, power mes is not viable in legendary EU play. Ask anyone, even the best of the best players, they’ll agree.

Not so helseth, i am being serious: how do you deal with Sind/Misha combo camping your home/mid 24/7?

nothelseth.4621:

Poelala.2830:

Helseth, you do not understand the reason players like myself regularly QQ on the forums. It’s not because we’re bad, it’s not because we want to get better, it’s because the enjoyment we get out of this game is dwindling to nothing at this point. We don’t just want to be able to beat condi wars, for example, we want to have fun while doing it. We’re tired of getting farmed by easy and spammy builds that carry people because we just want to play a class how we want to play it. We’re bored of playing support ele, but we love ele and we see the potential in it. We’re tired of playing condi necro and we just want to be able to burst. We’re tired of power scrapper, we’re tired of how the game is going in the wrong direction, in our opinions, and the creators of this game deserves to know customers’ feedback.

If you want to play power necro then I suggest you try out the meta power necro that 99% of the high ranking necros use now. You know, the build with some of the highest burst in the game..

Condi war is a rare sidespec compared to ZERKER war right now. I should also add that both condi war and zerker war are some of the highest possible skillcap specs.

In general, all the balance forum complaints are completely misinformed and based on a lack of knowledge on how to fight these builds which is very ironic considering that the complaint is usually ’’they’re unskilled’’. A personal pet peeve is people complaining about condi mes being ’’unskilled’’ and wishing for power mesmer to return, a build which didnt even require close to as much mechanical ability as the chronophantasma build does.

This is the one and only response I’ll give to someone trying to sidetrack this thread with useless complaints. If you want to enjoy such a thread, go ahead and join one of the many others on the forums or make another one yourself. I’ll use this space to help people who want to improve get better at the game. If you want to enjoy that offer I suggest you ask a question.

Again, you’re missing the argument. The heart of our complaints isn’t that something is “too hard”, that’s the face of it. The heart of our complaints is that playing the meta and fighting the meta is unfun.

Poelala.2830:

nothelseth.4621:

Poelala.2830:

Helseth, you do not understand the reason players like myself regularly QQ on the forums. It’s not because we’re bad, it’s not because we want to get better, it’s because the enjoyment we get out of this game is dwindling to nothing at this point. We don’t just want to be able to beat condi wars, for example, we want to have fun while doing it. We’re tired of getting farmed by easy and spammy builds that carry people because we just want to play a class how we want to play it. We’re bored of playing support ele, but we love ele and we see the potential in it. We’re tired of playing condi necro and we just want to be able to burst. We’re tired of power scrapper, we’re tired of how the game is going in the wrong direction, in our opinions, and the creators of this game deserves to know customers’ feedback.

If you want to play power necro then I suggest you try out the meta power necro that 99% of the high ranking necros use now. You know, the build with some of the highest burst in the game..

Condi war is a rare sidespec compared to ZERKER war right now. I should also add that both condi war and zerker war are some of the highest possible skillcap specs.

In general, all the balance forum complaints are completely misinformed and based on a lack of knowledge on how to fight these builds which is very ironic considering that the complaint is usually ’’they’re unskilled’’. A personal pet peeve is people complaining about condi mes being ’’unskilled’’ and wishing for power mesmer to return, a build which didnt even require close to as much mechanical ability as the chronophantasma build does.

This is the one and only response I’ll give to someone trying to sidetrack this thread with useless complaints. If you want to enjoy such a thread, go ahead and join one of the many others on the forums or make another one yourself. I’ll use this space to help people who want to improve get better at the game. If you want to enjoy that offer I suggest you ask a question.

Again, you’re missing the argument. The heart of our complaints isn’t that something is “too hard”, that’s the face of it. The heart of our complaints is that playing the meta and fighting the meta is unfun.

What is your argument? Playing against the same builds is boring? There will ALWAYS be a meta. People will always play what is best. We actually have a reasonably diverse meta, with revenant unfortunately being a bit underperforming. Necro can actually do reasonably well with condi/power, with power being slightly stronger, and thus more represented by the meta.

If you don’t want to fight against meta builds, you probably need to go play in unranked or let your rank fall to an area where people don’t care about winning (bronze/silver). In a competitive environment, people will play to win, and playing the strongest builds increase your chances of winning.

If you are skilled enough you can perform reasonably well on builds that are NOT meta. I think sizer, for example, is still running sword/dagger. I’d rather not try to attack you personally with the “special snowflake” argument, so I won’t push it further. My suggestion, if you want to play a build that is off-meta, understand what makes the meta builds strong, look at what might be over-statted but that is not represented in the current meta, but fits in your current play style, and see what you can adapt in.

edit: If instead, you are stating that you are not enjoying playing the game the meta doesn’t change frequently enough, I think that is valuable feedback that anet should consider. However this type of statement isn’t well represented by complaints about stuff being too strong etc. I personally think that anet needs to provide more casual/diverse outlets for players to play in. Stronghold unfortunately wasn’t very successful at that, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try to find other ways to provide other ways to play. A lot of games, ones done by blizzard for example, offer rotating “brawls”. I think that anet could benefit from looking at what makes people want to participate in an activity. For example, they chose to pin their beta map coliseum and it far overstayed its welcome. Leaving the availability of stronghold as it is, likewise is letting it stagnate as a mode. If, let’s just say, there was a 3v3 courtyard arena rotating weekly with stronghold 8v8 mode, I feel like different types of people might be inclined to try to play those modes while they are available.

Arcaedus.7290:

Hello nothelseth!

I main and primarily play guardian/DH and currently am in low tier platinum though probably belong in high tier gold. While I am very confident in my mechanical skills, I think I lack when it comes to actually “playing” the game mode. My question is: Can you offer some general advice on rotations (for power-based guard/DH) and how they might differ for specific maps? Should I focus on side points, bunkering one specific point, avoid certain classes, try to isolate certain classes 1v1, +1 or not +1 certain scenarios?

Thanks in advance for your insight!

I can answer this question, others can offer insight as well.

I hope you’re willing to answer this;

Mesmer, bronze 2, NA

What is the process for making a hard hitting power shatter? I have been running GS and Sword Shield and my shatters hit like kitten paws despite traiting and runes etc.

Hello helseth, is there any special trick/strat when there is a condi or staff thief 1v1ing you when you have the standard thief D/P build (with smoke, agility and shadowstep)? Or i should just try to skip that fight?

Starlett.9087:

Hello helseth, is there any special trick/strat when there is a condi or staff thief 1v1ing you when you have the standard thief D/P build (with smoke, agility and shadowstep)? Or i should just try to skip that fight?

Vs staff thief stealing/blinding them during the vault (they’re vulnerable at end of vault cast) is really good

In general though, even if you win, you have no business 1v1ing these builds. They’re specificly tailored to be more useful in 1v1 while they’re rubbish at roaming. Outplay them by being more useful on the map rather than wasting your time 1v1ing them.

‘’What is the process for making a hard hitting power shatter? I have been running GS and Sword Shield and my shatters hit like kitten paws despite traiting and runes etc.
’’

Hitting mirror blade → shatter is always gonna be a really high damage burst. Set it up with diversion stun or shield 5 → weapon swap → gs2 → shatter

@nothelseth: what qualities should some one who is multi classing look for in a person for a duo? I’m having a pretty difficult time getting above 1850 and staying there solo.

Situation: How to finish off an actually good mesmer as condi war. Tier: Mesmer who plays with competence and awareness in a 1v1 situation.

Required: teach me what do in the window where I am not at advantage or how to get the kill very fast when the mesmer panic kites

Scenario: How to force kill a mesmer (that actually knows how to play) as condi war after forcing skull grinder after blurred frenzy ending. Mesmer will panic and die (bad mes) or kite and do mini jumping puzzle long enough to stabilize. Swapping great sword and chasing does not gib a good mesmer and staying on mace I can not catch up. Good mesmer recovers and comes back with cooldowns, before mine are back and has advantage for 30 sec provided the mesmer does not make big mistakes he has a good chance of beating me in this time period.

Gaile Gray.6029:

“Your socks carry the unmistakable odor of plebism.”

hahaha love this one….. ^

Vlad.1739:

Situation: How to finish off an actually good mesmer as condi war. Tier: Mesmer who plays with competence and awareness in a 1v1 situation.

Required: teach me what do in the window where I am not at advantage or how to get the kill very fast when the mesmer panic kites

Scenario: How to force kill a mesmer (that actually knows how to play) as condi war after forcing skull grinder after blurred frenzy ending. Mesmer will panic and die (bad mes) or kite and do mini jumping puzzle long enough to stabilize. Swapping great sword and chasing does not gib a good mesmer and staying on mace I can not catch up. Good mesmer recovers and comes back with cooldowns, before mine are back and has advantage for 30 sec provided the mesmer does not make big mistakes he has a good chance of beating me in this time period.

Swapping greatsword and timing your arcing slice is while mesmer is kiting is how you finish mes off.

Dont underestimate how useful your autoattacks are. Just follow and hit arcing slice for the finisher. If you’re not confident in finishing them off stay on node and get decap/fullcap tics which you can later use to kite.

I have no idea about the situation you’re giving because it’s too vauge. You don’t auto win the duel just because you hit 1 skullgrinder. Hes on sword/shield set and you hit a mace f1, this tells me that the mesmer has been on staff, swapped to sword/shield, used blurred frenzy. usually, most mesmers use blurred frenzy before block due to being afraid of signet of might. If this is the case, chasing the mesmer and forcing out his block so that you can dodge the phantasms will put you at a massive advantage. After this the mesmer has no offense and has no realistic way to go on node.

Does this sound applicable to your scenario?

‘’@nothelseth: what qualities should some one who is multi classing look for in a person for a duo? I’m having a pretty difficult time getting above 1850 and staying there solo.’’

Better question is what someone should be duoing for what class you play. You multiclassing is great but it doesnt tell me anything. The only answer I can really give is ‘’another multiclasser’’.

Now if you were to say ‘’I multiclass but I mainly play necro’’ then I could suggest an ele or engi partner.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Ok, let’s get a few things out there. This thread is ok — it could actually be really valuable to those who participate in it on a reasonable level. I see it as an honest attempt by a good player to offer help to other players. Having said that, let’s keep the tone relatively respectful and — as I’ve said before — save the overt aggression for the battleground.

A few of you were concerned about the use of the term “pleb.” It’s not the greatest term, but I seem to remember when newbie/noob/n00b was considered the height of insult and it’s now commonplace and pretty acceptable across the board.

The ground rule is this:

• A generic reference = ok. Example: “The average pleb will…”
• A direct referral to another player as a pleb = not ok. “You’re a pleb.” “You play like a pleb.” “Your socks carry the unmistakable odor of plebism.”
• Other types of insults aren’t good, either.

If you’re going to report, look at what’s being said. If you’re going to try an attack or a counter attack, may I politely introduce you to your choice of PvP modes rather than doing it on the forums?

I’ve whipped up a visual example of your explanation of what’s A-ok!