Guild Wars 2

Atm. with every Tournament I see, I always am a bit disappointed to not see more new and exciting builds and strategies, thats why I thought about a Game-Mode that would encourage this. It’s just an Idea for maybe some Tournaments and maybe even a Game-Mode for Custom Arenas and I think it could be pretty cool.

The Mode is inspired by MOBA’s and it has a phase before the Game starts, where classes can be picked and banned (maybe even Skills, Weapon-Sets etc., but lets start a bit smaller).

First-Picking
At first, both Teams can Pick one Class they want to have in their Team. This alone could be very interesting:

Take Team Paradigm for example: Do they go with the obvious choice and pick the Guard, because its such an important Class, or do they want to secure Teldo his Engineer, because they know that the opposing Team might simply ban it, because Teldo is so known for his Engineer and plays it so well. But then what about Phanta and his beloved Ele?
It could also give newer Teams a small Bonus (that they’ll probably need), because the opposing Team won’t know what to ban/pick.

Banning
In the second Stage, each Team bans one Class that the other Team can’t choose. This can also include the Pick of the first Round, because it was simply that; a Pick, it didn’t make the Pick safe from being banned, it just gave the Team the Option to have one Char already in their Team before the Bans.

Second Round of Picks
Now each Team picks two more Classes. It’s important to note at this Point, that you can Pick the same class multiple Times, as long as it hasn’t been banned by the opposing Team. So you have to think about stuff like: This Team has an incredible Warrior (relax, it’s just an example), but they are also known for running two Eles. Do I now wanna ban their Warrior, which carries them like crazy, or do I wanna mess up their Strategy by banning the Ele.

Second Round of Bans
Now that the Strategy seems to be forming, each Team can again ban 1 class, which then makes 2 banned classes for the last Phase of Picking.

Third Round of Picks
Each Team picks a fourth Class out of all but the two that got banned by the other Team.

So, now each Team has 4 Picks in their Pocket.

Now it gets interesting, because now Teams can force one Class upon the other Team, but before that comes another Stage:

Banning forced Picks
Every previous ban is lifted in this Phase!
Each Team can ban one Class they don’t want to be forced to play (it could also be 2 or 3, whatever ^^‘). This also includes any Class that was picked in the first round (so if one Team safe-picked a Guard, they can now ban the Guard as a forced-pick, because they don’t want two Guards).

forcing Picks
Now each Team forces one Pick that hasn’t been banned from being forced-picked by the Team they are picking the Class for.

Now as far as Priority of Picking and banning goes, since there is no overlap in choosing Heroes like in the MOBAs (where one Hero could only be picked once), I don’t think it really matters. Maybe in terms of countering and figuring out the opposing Teams Strategy, there would have to be sth. done about the Priority with which one Team picks their 2 picks of the second picking Stage and the 1 ban plus the last Pick or sth.

I think Guardian would be the banning-choice of the year by a 99% rate.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

I think Guardian would be the banning-choice of the year by a 99% rate.

Likely so, but you can pick one before the ban and it creates a nice tension between the obvious Choice and the fact that a lot of Players have one Class they are really comfortable with and that is important for the Team.

Take those Examples:

Team Paradigm: Teldo actually is an Engineer, even in real Life he walks around with a Bomb-k….. nevermind. ^^’

The Civilized Gentlemen: They run two Eles atm. wouldn’t it be a difficult choice to choose between 2 Eles and 1 Guard?

PowerBottom.5796:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

I think Guardian would be the banning-choice of the year by a 99% rate.

Likely so, but you can pick one before the ban and it creates a nice tension between the obvious Choice and the fact that a lot of Players have one Class they are really comfortable with and that is important for the Team.

Oh well, I didnt’ take that into consideration. Still it would be the guardian ppl will pick, just because he is so necessary in the beta.

My Edit was too late. ^^’

Take those Examples:

Team Paradigm: Teldo actually is an Engineer, even in real Life he walks around with a Bomb-k….. nevermind. His role as an offensive Roamer is extremely crucial for the Team-Strategy, does TP really want him to be forced to play sth. else?

The Civilized Gentlemen: They run two Eles atm. wouldn’t it be a difficult choice to choose between 2 Eles and 1 Guard?

Also, you could totally Mindgame sm1 by banning Mesmer and then Picking two Mesmer or sth. and run circles around them with dual-Portal vs. none.

I really don’t think this will go over very well in this game. What we need is more maps in tournaments. Temple, and maybe Spirit Watch? And if they can tune Skyhammer to be competitive, that map to.

Then they should start picking and banning maps. That is a much better way to get player to get playing different classes.

So I thought you was talking about solo que, but it seems you want some GW2 draft for teams.

All I gotta say is this isn’t going to happen because people are going to play with who they want to play with, nobody wants to get drafted to some random team. In this game some people play multiple professions so if they change there profession buildup they don’t have to look for some new person. It aint hard to master 2 or more professions.

But if you did this with solo que, like you could see the people in your roster profession and if its some 5 team bullkitten thieves I wouldn’t mind kicking thieves out and asking for new profession to be on my solo que team. I’d love this for solo que option.

Ohhh yahhh I got r59 on my r10 team, I smell lots of winning coming!!!

This isn’t League of Legends.

When I did smash tournies, each team got to ban one map and losers get to pick the map after each game. You also get 2nd character pick, but that wouldn’t work so well due to hard counters in this game. If we had more maps, we could probably specialize in them and then have varying teams play a random map at first, then the losing team chooses next map from then on out.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

When I did smash tournies, each team got to ban one map and losers get to pick the map after each game. You also get 2nd character pick, but that wouldn’t work so well due to hard counters in this game. If we had more maps, we could probably specialize in them and then have varying teams play a random map at first, then the losing team chooses next map from then on out.

Yeah, IMO basic rotation is kind of stale. You can predict everything or counter-predictions.

Would be better if the following maps were tuned for tournaments: Spirit Watch, Temple of the Silent Storm, and Skyhammer(when ready not released).

Character select is right after login…

My idea for a draftpick system would be that you dont pick classes, but utility/elite skills.
Each team may ban 3 utility/elite skills at the start(no team may use them) and then teh teams take turns in chosing their classes. Each skill may only be used once and if not enough skills would be availabe teh class cant be picked anymore (giving teams the possibility of banning a class by banning all 3 elites of that class).
After that the players of teh same classes owuld draft their utilitys.
But something liek this would take a long time to do before the tournament even starts, and there is no software available to do this atm.
Also skills liek portal are so strong that they might be always banned or the team that gets them is at a huge advantage, so maybe the system needs some tweeks, but as it is somethign i came up with in like 10 minutes that is to be expected.

Jax.5261:

This isn’t League of Legends.

Of course it’s not, it’s just an Idea to force a little bit of diversity in maybe some Fun Tournaments or as an alternative Game-Mode for Custom Arenas.

I mean, there are Tournaments with a Team of 5 of 1 Class only, which just goes like 10 steps too far in terms of forcing Teams to play sth. different, but this Game-Mode combines strategic Aspects of a Banning-Pick Mode with the excitement of constantly being able to see new Builds and what Top-Teams can come up with on the Spot. It forces them to prepare new builds and strategies and Experiment.

Really, we’ll never see 80% of the Players in Top-Teams running anything else but their Favourite Builds in the forseeable future, so why not by pure evil and simply force them to? ^^’

PowerBottom.5796:

Jax.5261:

This isn’t League of Legends.

Of course it’s not, it’s just an Idea to force a little bit of diversity in maybe some Fun Tournaments or as an alternative Game-Mode for Custom Arenas.

I mean, there are Tournaments with a Team of 5 of 1 Class only, which just goes like 10 steps too far in terms of forcing Teams to play sth. different, but this Game-Mode combines strategic Aspects of a Banning-Pick Mode with the excitement of constantly being able to see new Builds and what Top-Teams can come up with on the Spot. It forces them to prepare new builds and strategies and Experiment.

Really, we’ll never see 80% of the Players in Top-Teams running anything else but their Favourite Builds in the forseeable future, so why not by pure evil and simply force them to? ^^’

I’m saying more along the lines of it won’t work. For example nothing is like a Guardian, if I got pushed to another class I’m going to be at a big disadvantage. In LoL people can play a lot of characters very similar to their best one.

This is cute and everything but I don’t think you have actually thought about this at all. What if I only play one class and it got banned? What if I literally don’t have X class on my account and I’m being forced to play it? GW2 doesn’t run on a “set character given to you” system like DotA2 or LoL do. Your character and builds are all up to you.

excellent idea, but you have a flaw.

GW2 dev team seems to envision a game where people bring their role playing character into pvp, where they continue to identify with and take pride in their character.

now you and I may know that most higher end players are open to playing multiple classes, and attatch themselves to individual characters for branding as much as ego, but the devs… they seem to ignore this fact whenever possible. instead izzy mains a warrior and iway goes unfixed for a couple years.

lol see? gw2 is worried about the poster before me. thats their target audience, he only plays necro, because it reflects the twisted darkness of his soul.

ryston.7640:

lol see? gw2 is worried about the poster before me. thats their target audience, he only plays necro, because it reflects the twisted darkness of his soul.

Actually this suggestion has a 0% chance of affecting me

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, there ARE going to be people with this problem, not only the Roleplayers but even just normal people who haven’t bought 8 character slots and are not familiar with every single class. Just trying to completely dismiss people’s opinions by discrediting them is a pretty stupid way to represent yourself on forums.

posting on the guild wars 2 forum is, in it’s self, embarassing and stupid.

go ahead and list the times anet has implemented changes discussed on this forum.

our feedback is clearly appreciated.

I thought about this in the past and decided banning classes was taking it too far. Utilities and elites would be the way to go. So maybe it goes something like this.

Team1 – 1 utility ban
Team 2 – 1 utility ban
Team 1 – 1 Elite ban
Team 2 – 1 Elite ban

1st Picking phase – each team cycles through 3 class picks

Team 1 – 1 utility ban
team 2 – 1 utility ban

2nd picking phase – each team cycles through 2 class picks

You could say the picking phase is pointless because teams will just pick all the classes they like but I don’t think it will be like that in the future. Teams will have multiple comps they can run and people will be knowledgeable about counters and the such so picking order will actually matter.

It could have some limitations like stun breakers can’t be banned.

Anyways, just something to think about. The games fine as is but a draft mode would be interesting.

definitely, the game though needs a bit more variety before this draft-mode could be interesting.
As now I think of possibly Moa Morph to ban and shadow-refuge or stand your ground as utilities.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

definitely, the game though needs a bit more variety before this draft-mode could be interesting.
As now I think of possibly Moa Morph to ban and shadow-refuge or stand your ground as utilities.

But a mode like mine or Phanta’s Idea could also force this variety, which is what I intended with it.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

definitely, the game though needs a bit more variety before this draft-mode could be interesting.
As now I think of possibly Moa Morph to ban and shadow-refuge or stand your ground as utilities.

Definitely, and some classes only have 1 or 2 reliable stun breakers and banning them would make the classes really nerfed, everything needs to be strong before something like this can go in. But, this is also why a game mode like this maybe can’t work. Maybe each stunbreaker on a class is only good for 1 build so if you ban 1 utility you essentially ban a whole build and with it maybe the whole class. (cause there’s only 1 viable build)

PowerBottom.5796:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

definitely, the game though needs a bit more variety before this draft-mode could be interesting.
As now I think of possibly Moa Morph to ban and shadow-refuge or stand your ground as utilities.

But a mode like mine or Phanta’s Idea could also force this variety, which is what I intended with it.

I think that too. But still there are many utilities which are completely not used, not even in PvE or WvW. I want to see this happen first.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

PowerBottom.5796:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

definitely, the game though needs a bit more variety before this draft-mode could be interesting.
As now I think of possibly Moa Morph to ban and shadow-refuge or stand your ground as utilities.

But a mode like mine or Phanta’s Idea could also force this variety, which is what I intended with it.

I think that too. But still there are many utilities which are completely not used, not even in PvE or WvW. I want to see this happen first.

Sure, but who knows how long it’ll take ANet to accomplish that?