Guild Wars 2

I really find this game has nothing to offer me and this is something I’m looking for.

PVE: I dislike all aspects of PvE in gw2 because I cannot play the healing role (doesn’t exist). As such, PvE has been nothing but extremely disappointing.

WvW: I dislike this because you as an individual make up much less than 1% of all the people participating. Your role, contributions and “accomplishments” are negligible. There are simply so many people beating their heads off each other in here that I get no feeling of being important or making great plays. At the end of the day, you’re just as useful as the automated guards.

sPvP: I dislike this for the sole reason that I can’t utilize my own characters. I’ve worked hard to build up my level 80, get him exotic gear and nice weapons. This is the character that I am in the game, I don’t want to play randomly generated characters for the purpose of PvPing. It’s great if I’m participating in a competitive tournament or LAN, but I’m not. I, like many people, have an attachment to their character(s), and when I’m playing the game this is the one I want to be using.

As such, finding things to do in this game have been largely impossible. All of my friends have quit, my girlfriend is nearing 100% map completion and quickly growing bored and we’re both looking back to WoW at this point. I don’t mean to make this a WoW v GW2 thing, but for us, WoW is a game we enjoy playing more because it offers us the option to play with friends, in a team, in pvp, where our contributions actually can make or break the game (10v10, 15v15 battlegrounds).

I have been unable to find any blogs on if this feature is coming to guild wars 2, and I sincerely hope it is. I promise when it’s added, I’ll be back to give the game another chance. Until then however, I’ll continue to read /r/guildwars2 looking for battleground news.

EDIT:

Seems to be quite a bit of activity in here, and perhaps some misunderstanding in some cases. To be clear, I’m not looking to transform PvP from what it is now to some endless grind. I’m completely ok with the systems being entirely independent. With that being said, I would like a system where by:

• Battleground sizes of 10v10 and 15v15.
• Characters use their PvE/Crafted/Purchased/Obtained gear.
• Various game modes such as CTF, Domination, Team Deathmatch etc.
• Much like their other business model, renting out battleground servers could be possible.

I’m not asking to make GW2 pvp not based on skill or tactics. Both will still apply, and sPvP can remain the way it exists right now.

The primary reasons I’m not engaging in PvP right now:

• WvWvW: Too many people as mentioned above. In addition, my server is outnumbered, we are losing in the range of 400,000 – 10,000 – 10,000
• sPvP: Character detachment. I want to be able to use the character I play everyday. Even if that means buying a PvP-only set of gear from a vendor in the “PvE Realm” of the game before engaging in it.

Have you tried every profession? As you’re saying “healer” is the only thing you like. But Anet has stated quite a while ago that there wouldn’t be a bealer class in GW2.

A small group (your gf, and other friends) could form quite a resistance in WvW. Its all about battlefield tactics and movement. Predicting your enemy and knowing choke points.

As for SPvP (what this forum is about), you will have to unlock your looks. Otherwise complete beginners would be running around in epic looking gear. While pvp’ers have spent a lot of time trying to unlock it. Totally removes the feeling of reward for pvp players who don’t like to play PvE.

Well and theres still WoW

Oh and: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/structured-pvp-iceberg/

The only way you can play as a team in GW2 is tournys, have you tried free tournies?

But, i think its a popular request for more variety in pvp.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

Have you tried every profession? As you’re saying “healer” is the only thing you like. But Anet has stated quite a while ago that there wouldn’t be a bealer class in GW2.

A small group (your gf, and other friends) could form quite a resistance in WvW. Its all about battlefield tactics and movement. Predicting your enemy and knowing choke points.

As for SPvP (what this forum is about), you will have to unlock your looks. Otherwise complete beginners would be running around in epic looking gear. While pvp’ers have spent a lot of time trying to unlock it. Totally removes the feeling of reward for pvp players who don’t like to play PvE.

Well and theres still WoW

Oh and: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/structured-pvp-iceberg/

I haven’t tried every profession up to level 80. I have played them all to the point where most weapon skills have been unlocked however. With the most time spent on Warrior, Elementalist, Necro, Guardian and Ranger. Admittedly, I haven’t put as much time into Engineer, Thief or Mesmer.

I do realize that coming into this game there wouldn’t be a specific healing class, and I’ve come to accept that. Most of my time in WoW was spent on a warrior and a priest, so I knew what to expect. However I will throw this out there and say that melee combat in this game feels substantially more clunky than any other MMO I’ve played one in. Not being able to move while executing certain attacks makes me feel like a caster… except in this game they can run and cast freely! It hasn’t been a good experience overall.

I’ve seen videos of people, namely 1 person, forming a group of 4-5 people who can hold off a zerg on a choke point. However, this is far from the norm and very rarely happens. The fact of the matter is, I don’t have the 50 or 60 close friends I’d need to make up a significant portion of the team. Compared to a potential 10v10, or 15v15 battleground, where 4-5 of us could play, the odds and ratio’s are much more favourable and as a result, in my opinion, a lot more fun.

As for sPvP, I see what you’re saying. But those are not the mechanics that bother me. The main issue is that I can’t use my own character in sPvP to compete. I can’t earn gear in fractals or smithing and use them in pvp like I can in other MMO’s such as WoW or Rift. I’m gifted a baseline character to use and every player is on a fair playing field. This works great for some games like Counter Strike (which I love) but I don’t like the way it’s implemented in MMO’s. I do tend to have an attachment to my character after putting so much time into him, I’d really like to be able to use it in a battleground.

Yeah there is WoW, you’re right. But it’s not perfect, as there’s obviously a reason we stopped playing it to come to this game! However, we really were looking for greener pastures on the other side, and needless to say we both feel pretty let down. I can certainly see that there are various game modes and things available for a wide range of target audiences, however we’re not in the group and are having a real difficult time trying to find reasons to log in, that’s all.

daydream.2938:

The only way you can play as a team in GW2 is tournys, have you tried free tournies?

But, i think its a popular request for more variety in pvp.

If I’m not mistaken tournaments still use “fake” or gifted characters. That entire implementation in an MMO just seems out of place to me. As I mentioned in another reply, I really like the idea of being able to use my own character geared out the way I’ve worked towards obtaining.

Being given free gear on a random character could be great for LANs and actual tournaments, but it isn’t something I agree with or enjoy on a casual basis.

I hope people continue to request more PvP concepts then, specifically of course, traditional battlegrounds.

These are some good points, I love fighting people but I dislike spvp in GW2 because I feel detached from my character, I worked hard and fair to get my exotics and skins but all that goes away when I join the mists….

Which is why I prefer WvWvW.. but it still limits my options, I wish there were indeed battlegrounds where you play your ACTUAL character.

The idea is that by elemating gear as a variable, the results expressed reflect skill and tactics, not gear.
I play four toons in spvp, but have only one 80 in the overworld.
so thank goodness it uses ‘fake’ toons.

aaron.7850:

These are some good points, I love fighting people but I dislike spvp in GW2 because I feel detached from my character, I worked hard and fair to get my exotics and skins but all that goes away when I join the mists….

Which is why I prefer WvWvW.. but it still limits my options, I wish there were indeed battlegrounds where you play your ACTUAL character.

Or do you mean you get your kitten owned when you pvp against people with equal gear footing?

Klassic.8057:

aaron.7850:

These are some good points, I love fighting people but I dislike spvp in GW2 because I feel detached from my character, I worked hard and fair to get my exotics and skins but all that goes away when I join the mists….

Which is why I prefer WvWvW.. but it still limits my options, I wish there were indeed battlegrounds where you play your ACTUAL character.

Or do you mean you get your kitten owned when you pvp against people with equal gear footing?

Not at all really, It’s more of a character things. If they put the PvP gear on my character as a set of gear I could equip before going into it, I’d honestly like it more.

That sounds like an obscure problem. Cause you can spec to match your toon, after doing enough spvp you can even unlock apearence items to match your exotics, so the only difference would be the behind the scences math.

Definately more of a mental block than a real issue there.

I wish people could earn gold/experience doing spvp, even though it applies only to the overworld and not to the SPVP environment.

So by coming into the game from the given gw2 info you would have known:

A) There are no healer classes
B) In spvp everyone has the same gear

So you have created a topic stating, that you do not like pve since you cannot play a healer, and you do not like pvp since you cant have gear that gives you an advantage over other players. Interesting…

staff / mace guardians make pretty yummy healers, i play one both pve and pvp,
sure its not like in wow where you can spam heals equal to 70% of your hp,
but it’s certainly nice healing and not so cooldown crazy,
you can pretty much keep healing.

Lukin.4061:

you do not like pvp since you cant have gear that gives you an advantage over other players. Interesting…

Not what I said. I’m quite ok with everyone having equal gear.

Give me a set of gear on my character that I can equip to PvP with and I’d be fine with it.

Sky.3519:

Lukin.4061:

you do not like pvp since you cant have gear that gives you an advantage over other players. Interesting…

Not what I said. I’m quite ok with everyone having equal gear.

Give me a set of gear on my character that I can equip to PvP with and I’d be fine with it.

You are ok with everyone having equal gear but still you want to have some special gear for yourself? I don’t understand.

I actually like the seperation. PvE bores me to hell and having to farm PvE to get proper gear for PvP would repell me from any game. I hated that so much. Just because some kiddies have all day to farm stuff would mean they could kick my kitten no matter who is the better player. I do like the competetive aspect a lot, being able to take your PvE gear to PvP would ruin this.

If you would like to have nicer looking gear, do more PvP and the higher your rank the better the gear looks you can acquire.

Azadoras.2790:

Sky.3519:

Lukin.4061:

you do not like pvp since you cant have gear that gives you an advantage over other players. Interesting…

Not what I said. I’m quite ok with everyone having equal gear.

Give me a set of gear on my character that I can equip to PvP with and I’d be fine with it.

You are ok with everyone having equal gear but still you want to have some special gear for yourself? I don’t understand.

I actually like the seperation. PvE bores me to hell and having to farm PvE to get proper gear for PvP would repell me from any game. I hated that so much. Just because some kiddies have all day to farm stuff would mean they could kick my kitten no matter who is the better player. I do like the competetive aspect a lot, being able to take your PvE gear to PvP would ruin this.

If you would like to have nicer looking gear, do more PvP and the higher your rank the better the gear looks you can acquire.

Totally agree – there is nothing more boring than killing same programmed mobs that always act the same and more infuriating to have to do that because otherwise you have a huge disadvantage in fighting people.

Dear Sky, It seems your understanding of the sPVP mode is flawed as far as I can tell from the things you say, there are no “random” characters or “gift” characters you use your own character, which you design, equip build and use in any way you like from Gear to traits to strategy, if you are refering to the build each character starts out with that’s merely to get people who’ve never played pvp into pvp quicker, you don’t have to actually use the presets.

As others already told you, the character you use in spvp is the same you use in pve and wvw. Believe me, I’m one of those who loves his characters and if I had to play a random characters instead of my own I wouldn’t be playing spvp.
You say you dislike pve, but then you say you also dislike spvp which gives you the possibility to completely avoid the pve since you can do spvp from level 1.. I don’t get it.
I hate pve on every game. If, in order to do spvp, I had to farm gear in pve I wouldn’t be playing gw2.

Sky.3519:

Lukin.4061:

you do not like pvp since you cant have gear that gives you an advantage over other players. Interesting…

Not what I said. I’m quite ok with everyone having equal gear.

Give me a set of gear on my character that I can equip to PvP with and I’d be fine with it.

just see it as you have to start getting your gear looks by grinding spvp.
Actually i wouldnt want it any other way to be fair.If you wanna look cool then you should deserve it and we all know that doing fractals has nothing to do with winning a pvp match.So just take it as your char doing a fresh start in a new world!
But as you said id like some pve-spvp interaction as well but mostly things that can go from spvp to pve and not the other way around.
So far the only thing you can earn in spvp is gems in paids.Actually if you were playing in a top pvp team and were farming paids you would have much more gems now that you would ever need so you could exchange them for gold :P

Sounds like this is not the game for u, just realise that and stop try to make it another wowclone:)

Sky has some good points. Sky is an ex WoW player like myself and i’ll try to explain what i miss in GW2.
The gear system in GW2 is quite diffrent from WoW, in wow you worked for your PvP gear (which i liked) and you also had fun during the time in Arenas, battlegrounds etc. But in Gw2 you get everything handed to you (It’s a nice thougt) but the character doesn’t feel as personal as a MMORPG should do. In WoW you worked for you PvP gear and you were able to use it in open world PvP (i miss this alot in Gw2), Battlegrounds, Arenas etc.. It felt like you accomplished something and the character felt really personal. While in Gw2 you farm your exotics and it feels like the gear you worked hard for is excluded from all the fun content. I think that some personal PvP gear should be implented and you should be able to use the same gear in WvW and Spvp. While the people that ONLY do spvp should actually take an effort to farm their PvP gear, but it should also be fairly easy to obtain this gear because we don’t want a game that sucks out your life during the farming of your gear.

But don’t get me wrong, i love the way Gw2 is made. It doesn’t suck your life out like WoW does (One of the biggest reasons why i quit WoW is the gear progression)

The things I’m trying to explain is that we’re all playing an MMORPG here, and i miss the magical moments ingame that words can’t explain. The personal feeling you have with your character in WoW, and not in Gw2 (as much as i wanted to)

Sky is also talking about the clunky & slow combat system. I kinda agree on this but it also depends on what classes you play. The things i like to change in combat is the slow casting of utility skills and interruptions. Also the camera distance feels way to short and should be longer, because it feels like you have no idea whats going on around you with big charrs and norns.

Eviscera.9703:

ONLY do spvp should actually take an effort to farm their PvP gear, but it should also be fairly easy to obtain this gear because we don’t want a game that sucks out your life during the farming of your gear.

Or alternatively people should have taken the effort to research the game before buying it and read that Anet wanted the sPvP skill based, not who has the best gear and that the gear differences just make balancing even harder.

Sylosi.6503:

Eviscera.9703:

ONLY do spvp should actually take an effort to farm their PvP gear, but it should also be fairly easy to obtain this gear because we don’t want a game that sucks out your life during the farming of your gear.

Or alternatively people should have taken the effort to research the game before buying it and read that Anet wanted the sPvP skill based, not who has the best gear and that the gear differences just make balancing even harder.

Yea it was a nice thougt of Anet to make it skillbased and i support that. But lets get real, You’re playing an MMORPG! You can’t just jump into a game and think you’re going to wipe the floor with your so called ‘’skills’ I’m saying that the farming of the PvP should be easy to obtain and it should be useable in WvW and it will also make you want to play this game even more

Also the spvp ain’t that successful, because the lack of progression, laddersystem etc… People want to work hard to prove that they’re the best, and people want to farm for their gear as long as it’s fun to do. The filosofy Anet is talking about is not going to make this game successful. It’s like they’re living in a dream world where everyone is equal and plays for fun… GET REAL!

Eviscera.9703:

Yea it was a nice thougt of Anet to make it skillbased and i support that.

You clearly don’t support that if you want to bring gear (non-cosmetic) into things.

Eviscera.9703:

But lets get real, You’re playing an MMORPG! You can’t just jump into a game and think you’re going to wipe the floor with your so called ‘’skills’

Actually you can, it is a bit like saying you can’t have an MMO with instanced dungeons, just because EQ had public dungeons.

Eviscera.9703:

public I’m saying that the gear should be easy to obtain and it should be useable in WvW also.
I’m saying that the farming of the PvP gear should be easy and make you want to play this game even more

It makes me want to play the game less, you can farm gear for WvW or PvE if you wish.

Eviscera.9703:

Also the spvp ain’t that successful, because the lack of progression, laddersystem etc… People want to work hard to prove that they’re the best, and people want to farm for their gear as long as it’s fun to do. The filosofy Anet is talking about is not going to make this game successful. It’s like they’re living in a dream world where everyone is equal and plays for fun… GET REAL!

The lack of a laddersystem, differnet modes, etc are an entirely different issue from adding idiotic PvE gear “progression” to PvP, in case you haven’t noticed PvP tends to die off in most MMORPGs, one of the reasons being gear differences, it makes for crappy PvP.

No need for GW2 to repeat the mistakes of other games.

First of all, WvW is not spvp (would not call it pvp at all, since hitting doors and killing mob lords are more of a pve trait) – you can notice that for example thief cloak and dagger skill when it got 33% reduce in spvp it did not effect wvw at all, thus even in developers opinion wvw =/ spvp.

Farming gear in wow was implemented so you had to pay a lot of money for blizzard, and blizzard likes their $$$. It was not there to make your character feel your own, only to waste time and reward you for doing it by giving an advantage towards people who do not waste time.

“You can’t just jump into a game and think you’re going to wipe the floor with your so called ‘’skills’” Why not? For example if I researched the game, learnt everything about my class and other classes via youtube, guides, forum etc., and I had experience in this type of combat mechanic and controls why shouldn’t I wipe floor with someone who has no similar knowledge, but grinded PvE mobs all month or banged doors in wvw?

“… and people want to farm for their gear as long as it’s fun to do.” Speak for yourself – farming gear is a waste of time and is always boring, it is infuriating when farming gives you an advantage so you have to do that to have equal grounds where only skill wins. In gw2 thank god they understood that and left the boring part out at least in spvp, only skill part is left.

Also don’t put ladder system in this argument, it has nothing to do with gear progression – if done correctly it actually shows the opposite, how your skill is progressing in comparison to other players.

No.

You’re asking for us to need to grind gear to be viable in sPVP. You’re asking for dedicated healers. You’re asking for specifically the things to make the game worse, to make it like old boring games like WoW.

The reasons you liked those things in WoW are nostalgia, because it was your first MMO, your first high. It will never be like that again, even WoW is not like that now. It’s a bot-infested, unbalanced, unplayable mess.

Just no. You’ve heard the explanation a million times. Just no.

Go play something else if you want those things, or adapt to the new in GW2. It’s your choice.

i wouldnt mind seeing an AV type match or play with like a mini WvW map in pvp could be interesting definately a new game mode.

oh new game modes sure

wouldn’t mind one Team DM map, one CTF map and one Demolition map. Just for variety’s sake xD

Oh another pve’er that wants to use his “hard earned” gear to pwn people in pvp instead of outplaying them. Move along.

xiv.7136:

No.

You’re asking for us to need to grind gear to be viable in sPVP. You’re asking for dedicated healers. You’re asking for specifically the things to make the game worse, to make it like old boring games like WoW.

The reasons you liked those things in WoW are nostalgia, because it was your first MMO, your first high. It will never be like that again, even WoW is not like that now. It’s a bot-infested, unbalanced, unplayable mess.

Just no. You’ve heard the explanation a million times. Just no.

Go play something else if you want those things, or adapt to the new in GW2. It’s your choice.

My first MMO was actually GW1, and I played a monk healer I didn’t start playing WoW until Burning Crusade.

Aether McLoud.1975:

Oh another pve’er that wants to use his “hard earned” gear to pwn people in pvp instead of outplaying them. Move along.

I’m simply asking for forms of PvP that are scaled down WvWvW.

IE: 10v10, or 15v15. It can still remain completely independent from any sPvP that exists in the game.

xiv.7136:

oh new game modes sure

wouldn’t mind one Team DM map, one CTF map and one Demolition map. Just for variety’s sake xD

This is what I would like to see implemented. Independent of WvWvW, not a form of sPvP, just a place where level 80’s with their crafted/found/purchased gear can PvP on a smaller scale (ie: 10v10, 15v15).

So having been a WoW player before, have you ever gone up against a person in full conquest gear with a T2 weapon while you were in PVE gear with zero resilience? It was pretty ugly because the person in conquest gear would almost 2 shot you.

If you wanted to grind the gear to eliminate this gear deficit you would then need to grind for honour gear then to conquest gear which would take about 10 weeks at the minimum weekly conquest (not accounting if you got over 1500 MMR to increase this). After this, you would finally need to grind to 2200 MMR for a weapon. Do you know how long this actually takes for just wanting to be competitive in PVP?

So what you’re proposing is implementing a gear deficit which people would have to grind, rather than the current system where you’re put on equal footing in terms of gear and there’s only a cosmetic grind. I for one am fine with the current system because we aren’t instantly killing people that aren’t in equal gear.

Klassic.8057:

aaron.7850:

These are some good points, I love fighting people but I dislike spvp in GW2 because I feel detached from my character, I worked hard and fair to get my exotics and skins but all that goes away when I join the mists….

Which is why I prefer WvWvW.. but it still limits my options, I wish there were indeed battlegrounds where you play your ACTUAL character.

Or do you mean you get your kitten owned when you pvp against people with equal gear footing?

Getting exotics is pretty easy, and significantly compared to other games, here you can get all your exotics in really a few hours of work.

Most people who are lvl 80 in wvwvw are pretty much decked out already, i call that equal footing.

Riva.1753:

So having been a WoW player before, have you ever gone up against a person in full conquest gear with a T2 weapon while you were in PVE gear with zero resilience? It was pretty ugly because the person in conquest gear would almost 2 shot you.

If you wanted to grind the gear to eliminate this gear deficit you would then need to grind for honour gear then to conquest gear which would take about 10 weeks at the minimum weekly conquest (not accounting if you got over 1500 MMR to increase this). After this, you would finally need to grind to 2200 MMR for a weapon. Do you know how long this actually takes for just wanting to be competitive in PVP?

So what you’re proposing is implementing a gear deficit which people would have to grind, rather than the current system where you’re put on equal footing in terms of gear and there’s only a cosmetic grind. I for one am fine with the current system because we aren’t instantly killing people that aren’t in equal gear.

While largely true, there are still some very big differences here.

• PvE gear has the same “resilience” stat available, known as Toughness which is also useful in PvE content to an extent.
• Duration. I acquired my full set of exotic gear in about 6 hours played, this is (I’m sure we can both agree) substantially less than traditional MMO’s.

Also I’m not implying that the people who already participate in, and love sPvP are going to like or engage in this system. This is for the rest of us, and I’m sure we exist, that don’t like the current implementation and would rather see the system being discussed in the thread (I’ve edited my OP).

Gear doesn’t have a place in pvp. That’s one of the things GW2 got absolutely right from the very start.

Aether McLoud.1975:

Gear doesn’t have a place in pvp. That’s one of the things GW2 got absolutely right from the very start.

I’d love to see their PvP participation numbers. Not the numbers that say “this player has tried this once” but rather the ones that show of those who log in daily, the percentage that actually do structured PvP regularly.

I have a hunch at what they might look like.

While I agree that gear should be differentiated from tournament and competitive environments, I don’t think it should be for casual play on a daily basis or the only option to players.

Sky.3519:

While largely true, there are still some very big differences here.

• PvE gear has the same “resilience” stat available, known as Toughness which is also useful in PvE content to an extent.
• Duration. I acquired my full set of exotic gear in about 6 hours played, this is (I’m sure we can both agree) substantially less than traditional MMO’s.

Also I’m not implying that the people who already participate in, and love sPvP are going to like or engage in this system. This is for the rest of us, and I’m sure we exist, that don’t like the current implementation and would rather see the system being discussed in the thread (I’ve edited my OP).

Please go to pve forum and ask for some seasonal game modes, no one here want to farm X days in pve just to change spec/build.

Sky.3519:

Aether McLoud.1975:

Gear doesn’t have a place in pvp. That’s one of the things GW2 got absolutely right from the very start.

I’d love to see their PvP participation numbers. Not the numbers that say “this player has tried this once” but rather the ones that show of those who log in daily, the percentage that actually do structured PvP regularly.

I have a hunch at what they might look like.

While I agree that gear should be differentiated from tournament and competitive environments, I don’t think it should be for casual play on a daily basis or the only option to players.

Casual players are the ones who benefit most from not having to grind pvp gear dude.
Try to go back to WoW right now, you’ll get farmed for 2+ month until you have enough pvp gear to be competitive. You’ll probably quit right after the first few battlegrounds where you get oneshot all the time by people who farm gear daily for month.

Also seeing as there are always like 50+ hotjoin servers open + tournaments are firing every few minutes (in EU) I’d say participation is good.

The ONLY thing I could see is that you automatically unlock the skins of the gear you have in PVE.

Aether McLoud.1975:

The ONLY thing I could see is that you automatically unlock the skins of the gear you have in PVE.

That’s not a bad idea either, although getting gear in PvE in this game is extremely easy and takes almost no time.

2014 or 2015 lets wait a bit

Sky.3519:

Aether McLoud.1975:

Gear doesn’t have a place in pvp. That’s one of the things GW2 got absolutely right from the very start.

I’d love to see their PvP participation numbers. Not the numbers that say “this player has tried this once” but rather the ones that show of those who log in daily, the percentage that actually do structured PvP regularly.

I have a hunch at what they might look like.

Your hunch as to what it may look like could be correct, but then putting that down to not having to farm gear would be wrong. The MMORPG world is littered with games that have gear “progression” in PvP (like my previous MMO Rift) where the PvP population has died, because guess what, uneven gear advantage based PvP makes for crappy PvP.

The biggest complaints on this forum are things like lack of game modes, lack of matching, etc, not ‘oh please I’m desperate to level each class I play in sPvP to 80, then farm multiple sets of exotic gear for each one and pay a fortune in sigils / runes each time I want to change things’

With some of the issues you have listed I am not sure what to tell you. sPvP is the way it is so that PvE players do not have gear advantages over PvP players. Which is currently an issue in WvW due to ascended gear.

I have also never seen them mention they are bringing in new formats for sPvP or increasing the size of players. That means at least two of your issues were intentional design decisions and they are unlikely to change.

As for the feeling of wanting to play with friends I completely understand. GW2 is a very solo-able game. Take sPvP as an example. There are probably a number of reasons why the population is so low, but the number one complaint I heard from my guildies was they couldn’t do sPvP together. People want to play together. I imagine new players trying sPvP for the first time want to jump into a sPvP server with their friends. Slowly learn the ropes. But in reality they end up facing against each other instead of working together.

Arenanet really needs to work on incentivizing the casual player to play sPvP. Part of that, in my opinion, will need to include more group play.

For various reasons most of my guild has also drifted away from GW2. They briefly tried sPvP but did not like it, and they are focused PvPers. They spent most of their time in WvW working at a cohesive unit.

I think you’re playing the wrong game.

I’ve been playing the secret world as a side game . Gear grind, need gear for pvp.
Result?
I have not touched Pvp.

GW2 got it right.

Actually I remember back in GW2 Beta.
I believe it was Sharp but it could’ve been Peters (2 much Johns for 1 poster to handle).
Anyways, there was this Hunger game event, and I was feeling it, though it obviously needed some work..
They said it got whipped up last minute (and it showed), but the idea might live on as a future activity or something…possibly.

What I took from that, is they have no qualm adding other types of pvp interactions they may not be official (keg brawl) but they will eventually come.
That game…I think it was Asura Hunger Royal or Royal something, needed a lot of kinks worked out but…eh stay tune.

Stuff will be coming :o. I foresee it with my crystal ball.

Why bash on GW like this just for the gear aspect… As for the gear, that it takes almost no time to achieve a full exotic set, that’s absolutely not true. That is only true when you have reached your max level and it would also mean only level 80 characters can play pvp. It’s also not true if you want a decent looking armour set. You don’t get a full dungeon set by playing 6 hours. It takes several days to get enough tokens. Also, crafted gear requires more time and costs way more.

If you would like this feature added, go back to playing WoW. This was one of the things that I liked most about Gw2, being a Quake player where everyone has the same stuff and winning is actual skill and also very rewarding.

It means that nobody gets discriminated in any way, that you can try out a new profession at max level without having to level it, and that PvP is skill-based, not gear based. That’s why higher ranked people usually have more skill in this game. People who like grinding (like the typical WoW player) don’t have any advantage.

We don’t need battlegrounds the way you say we need them. We need a tournament upgrade which will come soon and we need new game modes, like CTF and TDM that are team based.

And also maybe a GvG like in the former GW. I’ve heard it was really nice.

But we do not need another WoW copy. Guild wars has more potential.

Sounds like you might like tera online…..it goes f2p next month, I would check it out. OWPVP, 15v15, and they are adding 3v3 soon

Sky.3519:

sPvP: I dislike this for the sole reason that I can’t utilize my own characters. I’ve worked hard to build up my level 80, get him exotic gear and nice weapons. This is the character that I am in the game, I don’t want to play randomly generated characters for the purpose of PvPing. It’s great if I’m participating in a competitive tournament or LAN, but I’m not. I, like many people, have an attachment to their character(s), and when I’m playing the game this is the one I want to be using.

lol. go back to wow plz ^^