Guild Wars 2

Why? Because it is fun and that is the most important reason to have it. There are battles everywhere. I leave the capture point, I can always encounter a player running across a road. 5v5 makes it so that there is even less battles and I end up fighting only at three spots, the capture points. Less variety of place to fight is boring.

• If I want to play seriously, I would play solo queue.
• If players don’t like 8v8, there is always 5v5 for them to play their eyes out.
• There is no reason to remove 8v8.

This is the worst PvP update.

Actually another reason is when I join 5v5 I see say 5/10 ok so I try but by the time I load in it’s like full GG ~_~

yes, please bring back the anet hosted 8 vs 8 servers.

at least keep 10 of them open.

Add it to the list of things that went backward this patch..not forward.

1. Take away build diversity because it’s too hard for new players to understand
2. Take away under water combat and remove all those items, abilities, and strats developed over the years.
3. Remove the perfectly fine 8v8 option in hotjoin which actually was a perfect change of pace between mass zergs of WvW and the super small focus of 5v5 over large maps.

All of that stuff is now wasted programming.

It’s like they are only catering to new players who like FPS or the hardcore tournament players.

Even among those groups…How many ever really complained about build diversity, 8v8 hotjoin, or Raid on Capricorn?

All this game needed was a better reward system to keep people interested and some tweaks to certain professions here and there.

Yet…they have removed good programming and added programming for tons of 30 point traits that will never even be used by 10% of the players. You can tell these traits were contrived just to make sure each profession had a quota of 1 new trait per line.

This is unbelievable, sad and funny at the same time.

Agreed, the only thing I’ve liked from this patch so far is account bound wxp and account wide dyes. Other than that this patch has been a huge disapointment to me personally.

The other part about this change is that it makes it really hard for people to get in and learn the spvp maps and how the fights go. In a 8v8 match one newbie could be carried by a good team/players but now they are an extreme hindrance to your team. I see the potential for griefing here.

I don’t understand the reason for this change (not like Anet would ever give us a reason) it doesn’t do anything to help people play spvp. All you’re going to do is drive more people from the game as they get frustrated by the new smaller teams and refuse to take part.

A couple of other things I noticed that at the end of the match you can’t see a player’s rank and I absolutely hate having to swap weapons from pve to pvp. I liked the old way where I could set my build and weapons for pvp and it didn’t impact my pve/wvw play. I know it’s a minor thing but I take it as a serious setback to QoL.

You guys don’t understand the ANET logic here. 8v8 was the most popular of their hot join matches, so it had to be removed. Likewise, everyone says they hated skyhammer. So ANET removed raid on the capricorn. You need to understand the ANET mentality here. Think about a situation, and then do the exact opposite of what should happen.

I agree, 8v8 was a flustercuck and I’d never play it seriously, but it was fun! Don’t see why it was removed!

Also, due to the drop-in/drop-out nature of hotjoin, a 5v5 match can quickly fall apart by people leaving, whereas 8v8 you have a buffer.

Sorry, but I won’t miss it. I’d play 5v5s for testing builds and stuff and now I can play TDM for zergness/mindless battle.

now we have no choice but to resort to player owned custom arenas for 8 vs 8, hopefully, they have standard map rotation and standard settings.

best decision arena net made in years,now newbies when they come from hotjoin will probably do less anoying things like capping node when you are already there or zerging,this will help solo and in time team que,ty arena net keep up a good job.No more zergest and if u wanna test build no more running from a 8 man zerg

Paragon.5479:

best decision arena net made in years,now newbies when they come from hotjoin will probably do less anoying things like capping node when you are already there or zerging,this will help solo and in time team que,ty arena net keep up a good job.No more zergest and if u wanna test build no more running from a 8 man zerg

You blame Hotjoin for multi-capping?

Your accusation is most likely Wrong. There was dailies that require you to cap three points. I would blame that instead of 8v8.

If you don’t like the zerging in 8v8, why are you in the 8v8 room? 5v5 rooms still existed. As far as I know, they weren’t empty.

JoopFOX.9510:

Sorry, but I won’t miss it. I’d play 5v5s for testing builds and stuff and now I can play TDM for zergness/mindless battle.

That is great that you love 5v5 and that you dislike 8v8, but so what?

Having 8v8 can never do anything to hurt 5v5. Removing 8v8 will never add anything to 5v5.

runeblade.7514:

JoopFOX.9510:

Sorry, but I won’t miss it. I’d play 5v5s for testing builds and stuff and now I can play TDM for zergness/mindless battle.

That is great that you love 5v5 and that you dislike 8v8, but so what?

Having 8v8 can never do anything to hurt 5v5. Removing 8v8 will never add anything to 5v5.

I’m saying I liked both but for different reasons. And for the zerging (8v8) we have TDM now.

Lopez.7369:

This is probably the best change in the patch. Good job, ArenaNet.

Why?

GW2 is full of players who think they know best how other people should play. Their motivations, their preferences. And everyone else needs to just bow to their wisdom.

Removing the 8v8 was a bad ideea and I can’t see how it was necessary since nobody was forced into it. Please bring it back.

runeblade.7514:

Lopez.7369:

This is probably the best change in the patch. Good job, ArenaNet.

Why?

- Because its easier to teach noobs how to play the conquest game.
- Because it teaches that ZERG=BADDDDD.
- It’s a shoe in to Solo Q strategies and Team Q strategies.
- You can see better.
- Less team Stacking.
- Easier to fill 5v5 than 8v8.
- You actually can learn rotations (which is what matters really in PvP atm).
- Because getting steam rolled by team stacking makes people quit the game.
- Because it brings more people in with same skill level to go 5v5 with one another while actually doing something good rather than chase in circles.
- If you’re good, you can actually tell people : “hey do this, cap that, kill this, stay there…” (hard to do in 8v8)
- There’s plenty of other reasons why this change is good.

Irene Jane.9605:

runeblade.7514:

Lopez.7369:

This is probably the best change in the patch. Good job, ArenaNet.

Why?

- Because its easier to teach noobs how to play the conquest game.
- Because it teaches that ZERG=BADDDDD.
- It’s a shoe in to Solo Q strategies and Team Q strategies.
- You can see better.
- Less team Stacking.
- Easier to fill 5v5 than 8v8.
- You actually can learn rotations (which is what matters really in PvP atm).
- Because getting steam rolled by team stacking makes people quit the game.
- Because it brings more people in with same skill level to go 5v5 with one another while actually doing something good rather than chase in circles.
- If you’re good, you can actually tell people : “hey do this, cap that, kill this, stay there…” (hard to do in 8v8)
- There’s plenty of other reasons why this change is good.

And you were forced to play 8v8….how exactly?

Looking at your reasons, it’s clear to me that you bother too much with what other people are doing. Focus on what you want to do and then do it.

Even if 8v8 brought a lot of complaints this is no way to solve that problem.

Instead of actually solving the complaints they chose to eliminate the cause of the complaining. Which is easy fixing and also incredibly unfair to a big proportion of the PvP players.

We WANT 8v8 DESPITE it’s problems. If we really didn’t want to play it or really hated zergs or metabuilds the 8v8 servers would’ve been empty.

WHAT? they removed 8v8? O_O
why the hell…
thats just stupid, the 8v8 servers were always full.

oh wait its anet, “one step forwards, two steps back” is kinda there corporate motto.

Ezoria.1486:

Even if 8v8 brought a lot of complaints this is no way to solve that problem.

Instead of actually solving the complaints they chose to eliminate the cause of the complaining. Which is easy fixing and also incredibly unfair to a big proportion of the PvP players.

We WANT 8v8 DESPITE it’s problems. If we really didn’t want to play it or really hated zergs or metabuilds the 8v8 servers would’ve been empty.

Wait, what? So you’ve already admitted to 8v8’s issues are toxic to the community, yet you want to keep the issues in? What kind of logic is that? If I was a developer, when I see the cause of the issue, the best way to deal with is to take it out, which I’m glad they did.

I gotta admit, I hate team stacking in 8v8s that’s why my buddies and I try to even out the matches by joining the opposite side. Yet too often it happens that people don’t wanna pvp because they die to the Zerg too easily. Now that this change is in, it serves as a benchmark for future pvpers to learn and grow with out the crazy garbage zergs running around.

I really liked 8vs8. So yes bring it back please.

bhagwad.4281:

Irene Jane.9605:

runeblade.7514:

Lopez.7369:

This is probably the best change in the patch. Good job, ArenaNet.

Why?

- Because its easier to teach noobs how to play the conquest game.
- Because it teaches that ZERG=BADDDDD.
- It’s a shoe in to Solo Q strategies and Team Q strategies.
- You can see better.
- Less team Stacking.
- Easier to fill 5v5 than 8v8.
- You actually can learn rotations (which is what matters really in PvP atm).
- Because getting steam rolled by team stacking makes people quit the game.
- Because it brings more people in with same skill level to go 5v5 with one another while actually doing something good rather than chase in circles.
- If you’re good, you can actually tell people : “hey do this, cap that, kill this, stay there…” (hard to do in 8v8)
- There’s plenty of other reasons why this change is good.

And you were forced to play 8v8….how exactly?

Looking at your reasons, it’s clear to me that you bother too much with what other people are doing. Focus on what you want to do and then do it.

I don’t bother “that” much. Although I will admit I can go over board sometimes. I just really enjoy big communities of PvP players alike. If removing 8v8 solves the issue that is limiting the community from growing then so be it. Just because you dont care doesn’t mean other people have to be on the same boat as you. It’s clear to me you’re in this for your own gains, which is cool by me, I’m in this for the community (my 2 cents are in yo).

But you knOw, there’s still 8v8 servers out there, just gotta find them
I actually played on some of them today.

Irene Jane.9605:

bhagwad.4281:

Irene Jane.9605:

runeblade.7514:

Lopez.7369:

This is probably the best change in the patch. Good job, ArenaNet.

Why?

- Because its easier to teach noobs how to play the conquest game.
- Because it teaches that ZERG=BADDDDD.
- It’s a shoe in to Solo Q strategies and Team Q strategies.
- You can see better.
- Less team Stacking.
- Easier to fill 5v5 than 8v8.
- You actually can learn rotations (which is what matters really in PvP atm).
- Because getting steam rolled by team stacking makes people quit the game.
- Because it brings more people in with same skill level to go 5v5 with one another while actually doing something good rather than chase in circles.
- If you’re good, you can actually tell people : “hey do this, cap that, kill this, stay there…” (hard to do in 8v8)
- There’s plenty of other reasons why this change is good.

And you were forced to play 8v8….how exactly?

Looking at your reasons, it’s clear to me that you bother too much with what other people are doing. Focus on what you want to do and then do it.

I don’t bother “that” much. Although I will admit I can go over board sometimes. I just really enjoy big communities of PvP players alike. If removing 8v8 solves the issue that is limiting the community from growing then so be it. Just because you dont care doesn’t mean other people have to be on the same boat as you. It’s clear to me you’re in this for your own gains, which is cool by me, I’m in this for the community (my 2 cents are in yo).

The thing is people enjoy different things. The popularity of 8v8 showed that people were enjoying themselves there. Now you come along and say “No, you have to enjoy yourselves this way instead”. Don’t you think that’s wrong?

bhagwad.4281:

Irene Jane.9605:

bhagwad.4281:

Irene Jane.9605:

runeblade.7514:

Lopez.7369:

This is probably the best change in the patch. Good job, ArenaNet.

Why?

- Because its easier to teach noobs how to play the conquest game.
- Because it teaches that ZERG=BADDDDD.
- It’s a shoe in to Solo Q strategies and Team Q strategies.
- You can see better.
- Less team Stacking.
- Easier to fill 5v5 than 8v8.
- You actually can learn rotations (which is what matters really in PvP atm).
- Because getting steam rolled by team stacking makes people quit the game.
- Because it brings more people in with same skill level to go 5v5 with one another while actually doing something good rather than chase in circles.
- If you’re good, you can actually tell people : “hey do this, cap that, kill this, stay there…” (hard to do in 8v8)
- There’s plenty of other reasons why this change is good.

And you were forced to play 8v8….how exactly?

Looking at your reasons, it’s clear to me that you bother too much with what other people are doing. Focus on what you want to do and then do it.

I don’t bother “that” much. Although I will admit I can go over board sometimes. I just really enjoy big communities of PvP players alike. If removing 8v8 solves the issue that is limiting the community from growing then so be it. Just because you dont care doesn’t mean other people have to be on the same boat as you. It’s clear to me you’re in this for your own gains, which is cool by me, I’m in this for the community (my 2 cents are in yo).

The thing is people enjoy different things. The popularity of 8v8 showed that people were enjoying themselves there. Now you come along and say “No, you have to enjoy yourselves this way instead”. Don’t you think that’s wrong?

You’re putting word on my keyboard man, I’m not here to say enjoy the game this way or that way, you’re saying that. I’m saying, 8v8s never taught anyone how to play conquest and that’s how you lose player base. People not knowing what they are doing, then they get stomped forever in 500-low games. Well, anyway there’s really no end to the argument so fire away I guess.

Glad 8v8s are gone. If you don’t like it don’t play it… Just like you don’t like playing solo q or team q for that matter. Find a server that does 8v8… Go Zerg gg. Stomp newbs. Be satisfied.

Irene Jane.9605:

bhagwad.4281:

Irene Jane.9605:

bhagwad.4281:

Irene Jane.9605:

runeblade.7514:

Lopez.7369:

This is probably the best change in the patch. Good job, ArenaNet.

Why?

- Because its easier to teach noobs how to play the conquest game.
- Because it teaches that ZERG=BADDDDD.
- It’s a shoe in to Solo Q strategies and Team Q strategies.
- You can see better.
- Less team Stacking.
- Easier to fill 5v5 than 8v8.
- You actually can learn rotations (which is what matters really in PvP atm).
- Because getting steam rolled by team stacking makes people quit the game.
- Because it brings more people in with same skill level to go 5v5 with one another while actually doing something good rather than chase in circles.
- If you’re good, you can actually tell people : “hey do this, cap that, kill this, stay there…” (hard to do in 8v8)
- There’s plenty of other reasons why this change is good.

And you were forced to play 8v8….how exactly?

Looking at your reasons, it’s clear to me that you bother too much with what other people are doing. Focus on what you want to do and then do it.

I don’t bother “that” much. Although I will admit I can go over board sometimes. I just really enjoy big communities of PvP players alike. If removing 8v8 solves the issue that is limiting the community from growing then so be it. Just because you dont care doesn’t mean other people have to be on the same boat as you. It’s clear to me you’re in this for your own gains, which is cool by me, I’m in this for the community (my 2 cents are in yo).

The thing is people enjoy different things. The popularity of 8v8 showed that people were enjoying themselves there. Now you come along and say “No, you have to enjoy yourselves this way instead”. Don’t you think that’s wrong?

You’re putting word on my keyboard man, I’m not here to say enjoy the game this way or that way, you’re saying that. I’m saying, 8v8s never taught anyone how to play conquest and that’s how you lose player base. People not knowing what they are doing, then they get stomped forever in 500-low games. Well, anyway there’s really no end to the argument so fire away I guess.

Glad 8v8s are gone. If you don’t like it don’t play it… Just like you don’t like playing solo q or team q for that matter. Find a server that does 8v8… Go Zerg gg. Stomp newbs. Be satisfied.

Things that don’t teach players how to play Conquest:

• WvW
• PvE
• Dungeons
• Raids
• Dueling
• Capture the flag
• Deathmatch
• Free for all
• Escort
• GvG
• Storm the castle

If not teaching players is a valid reason, then why should ANet add these? You might say it is for fun.

8v8 is fun.