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Posted by: Sol.4310

Sol.4310

Not sure if anyone else is seeing this but almost every single game, the losing team seems to lose half there team so they don’t take rank hit…

This is going to unbalance the leaderboard in a big way…

Anet please make it so if you leave the game you get a loss or players will abuse it over and over.

There will be people with 100% wins.

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Posted by: HPLT.7132

HPLT.7132

As far as I noticed and due to the feedback I got leaving it is taken into account. You see for some people that w/l increases but their rank decreases.
But maybe their are other coincidences.

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Posted by: butch.8136

butch.8136

It’s still not proven that it works. It works ingame (W/L) but we don’t know if the rating takes a hit or not. I hope Anet can provide us some info on this matter.

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Posted by: gwawer.9805

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lolyes we need a “cheaterboard” for sure or “rage quits” stat

no wait just call it “Leaverboards”

Leaderboards vs Leaverboards !!!

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

Not sure if anyone else is seeing this but almost every single game, the losing team seems to lose half there team so they don’t take rank hit…

This is going to unbalance the leaderboard in a big way…

Anet please make it so if you leave the game you get a loss or players will abuse it over and over.

There will be people with 100% wins.

The ability to bounce out of a losing game is a plus for some, but a real pain for the rest who are still in that spvp instance…

So what’s the fix? Suggestions rather than just pointing out a flaw would be nice…

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Posted by: dejay.2598

dejay.2598

Not sure if anyone else is seeing this but almost every single game, the losing team seems to lose half there team so they don’t take rank hit…

This is going to unbalance the leaderboard in a big way…

Anet please make it so if you leave the game you get a loss or players will abuse it over and over.

There will be people with 100% wins.

not caring is a pretty good fix. doesn’t mean anything until they put in rewards and by that time they’ll need a fix for this + a reset will happen

so yeah, who cares

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Posted by: KarlaGrey.5903

KarlaGrey.5903

lolyes we need a “cheaterboard” for sure or “rage quits” stat

no wait just call it “Leaverboards”

Leaderboards vs Leaverboards !!!

What you need is an actual organized arena, instead of the current melting pot featuring solo queuers getting slain by super srs premades.

Replace hotjoin with solo free tournaments. Problem solved.

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Posted by: Hammerheart.1426

Hammerheart.1426

Would anyone look at someone with 100% ratio and not be suspicious? Its like the kid that cheats and gets 100% but he’s a dingus, it raises too many red flags.

Its the 98-99 percenters you gotta look at :P

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Posted by: Kwll.1468

Kwll.1468

It’s still not proven that it works. It works ingame (W/L) but we don’t know if the rating takes a hit or not. I hope Anet can provide us some info on this matter.

It is 100% proven it works and if you want to do a little digging you will find a post from an A-net dev from awhile back saying they know its a problem but fixing it is a lower priority then custom arenas.

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Posted by: Adaneshade.2409

Adaneshade.2409

Simple fix would be to have the results of any game you enter applied to your character whether or not you are there for the end of the match. If you leave you are only increasing the chance to have a loss on your record.

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Posted by: bhagwad.4281

bhagwad.4281

The ability to bounce out of a losing game is a plus for some

I think they should just suck it up. A losing game won’t last forever. Punish leavers in the same way that GW1 did.

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Posted by: XGhoul.7426

XGhoul.7426

I’m curious how rating works when these players leave since they take no loss “hit” does your rating not scale appropriately? (i.e you never really beat them because they never lost).

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Posted by: Archaon.6245

Archaon.6245

Oh…this explains many many things…seemed strange to me to see those hotjoin farmers in high places…..now i understand, bug abusing much? And i assume that leaving the match not only saves you from a rank drop but gives no reward to the other team either…

What can i say…leaderboards already were pretty much worthless…now they’re just stupid…

Start recording videos of those ppl leaving games…waiting for a ban for bug abusing or something…

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Posted by: Draedark.8193

Draedark.8193

From reading other posts, there may be other ways to leave a match before the end to avoid the loss that allow it to happen without counting as a loss on the hero panel/leader boards.

I do not want to detail the possible method for obvious reasons.

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Posted by: Thesilentflute.8761

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People are even using there second accounts to que and just afk. I had a guy make a group invited me the number 7 at the time and a few other then just afk though the match its sooo screwed up.

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Posted by: TheAngryLuddite.1834

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There should definitely be some sort of balance for leavers. Nothing like starting a pick-up tourney with 3 v. 5…

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Posted by: Allie Murdock

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We’re working on a Leaderboard F.A.Q. that might answer some questions/concerns here. Keep an eye out!

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Posted by: Luthan.5236

Luthan.5236

Leaving should count as loss and maybe a few “free deaths”.

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Posted by: Nilgoow.1037

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I guess the official word will be that it counts the loss, regardless of what’s already been said and tested.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

I wonder if they will implement a method so that the people left in a team after someone leaves won’t get punished for the one person leaving…

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Posted by: Arisal.9740

Arisal.9740

I wonder if they will implement a method so that the people left in a team after someone leaves won’t get punished for the one person leaving…

That could get exploited. Lets say you are a top rated player and you play with someone who has a not so hot rating they could always have the 1 low person bail out of the game so that his high rated friend doesn’t take a hard rating loss. Only way I see it working is if someone quits in an early time window (less than 1 minute maybe) because early on you have no idea how the outcome of the game could go.

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Posted by: Mash Hog.5672

Mash Hog.5672

I agree that would be an issue, I just hope they do come up with a system which may do it fairly cause it sucks having a no-show.

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Posted by: Nilgoow.1037

Nilgoow.1037

This is like complaining about the 2016 elections. They aren’t going to touch this any time soon.

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Posted by: Nunganok.4590

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We’re working on a Leaderboard F.A.Q. that might answer some questions/concerns here. Keep an eye out!

Thanks for the feedback

Does the FAQ stop people from dodging a loss of rank by alt + f4’ing out of the match before they lose?

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Posted by: JonathanSharp.7094

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We’re working on a Leaderboard F.A.Q. that might answer some questions/concerns here. Keep an eye out!

Thanks for the feedback

Does the FAQ stop people from dodging a loss of rank by alt + f4’ing out of the match before they lose?

They still take a loss, as well as a rating hit.

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Posted by: forrae.6708

forrae.6708

lolyes we need a “cheaterboard” for sure or “rage quits” stat

no wait just call it “Leaverboards”

Leaderboards vs Leaverboards !!!

What you need is an actual organized arena, instead of the current melting pot featuring solo queuers getting slain by super srs premades.

Replace hotjoin with solo free tournaments. Problem solved.

this please.

tired of being rolled by premades.

inb4 go back to hotjoin, get a team, l2p, uninstall, lolnoob

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Posted by: Silverthorn.8576

Silverthorn.8576

We’re working on a Leaderboard F.A.Q. that might answer some questions/concerns here. Keep an eye out!

Thanks for the feedback

Does the FAQ stop people from dodging a loss of rank by alt + f4’ing out of the match before they lose?

They still take a loss, as well as a rating hit.

no

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Posted by: Brutalistik.6473

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We’re working on a Leaderboard F.A.Q. that might answer some questions/concerns here. Keep an eye out!

Thanks for the feedback

Does the FAQ stop people from dodging a loss of rank by alt + f4’ing out of the match before they lose?

They still take a loss, as well as a rating hit.

Now I understand where they are coming fro, but what happen if the player d/c from server, client crashers or computer shuts down for no reason. Will that still count as a lost?

Tough thinking on that part because not every player leaves on purpose especially if it can be another problem.

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Posted by: Valkyriez.6578

Valkyriez.6578

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/sPvP-Leader-board-F-A-Q

For those that missed it, it’s a sticky on the forum front page. Leaderboard FAQ.

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Posted by: Nunganok.4590

Nunganok.4590

We’re working on a Leaderboard F.A.Q. that might answer some questions/concerns here. Keep an eye out!

Thanks for the feedback

Does the FAQ stop people from dodging a loss of rank by alt + f4’ing out of the match before they lose?

They still take a loss, as well as a rating hit.

I am honestly relieved if this is the case, thank you!!

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Posted by: Swagger.1459

Swagger.1459

Not sure if anyone else is seeing this but almost every single game, the losing team seems to lose half there team so they don’t take rank hit…

This is going to unbalance the leaderboard in a big way…

Anet please make it so if you leave the game you get a loss or players will abuse it over and over.

There will be people with 100% wins.

can’t fault players for dropping out of matches because of terrible profession designs, poor match making and being placed on the losing side of ongoing matches.

until there are some serious profession changes, balance improvements and more effective build variety options implemented, most players will not have a fun and meaningful pvp for the sake of pvp experience despite all the fluff and faq.

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

The ability to bounce out of a losing game is a plus for some

I think they should just suck it up. A losing game won’t last forever. Punish leavers in the same way that GW1 did.

I agree, no punishment at all is making this a mockery of the leaderboards.

As it is it should be on individual skills not on points won through “team” games that you can leave.

No 1v1 equals a broken pvp period.

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

We’re working on a Leaderboard F.A.Q. that might answer some questions/concerns here. Keep an eye out!

Thanks for the feedback

Does the FAQ stop people from dodging a loss of rank by alt + f4’ing out of the match before they lose?

They still take a loss, as well as a rating hit.

I see people leaving several times out of tourneys as well as out of regular spvp (much much worse) but the fact that we don’t have access to 1v1 dueling and THAT kind of real skill on skill leaderboard is backwards from every other MMO that has a successful tournament system.

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Posted by: Celeras.4980

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They still take a loss, as well as a rating hit.

Take a loss? Not on their character sheet they don’t. And considering my character sheet matched what is on the leaderboard, I’d have to say you are 100% incorrect.

Can’t comment on the rating hit since its still invisible for no good reason whatsoever.

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Posted by: Socram.6587

Socram.6587

According to the leaderboard FAQ, the losses from left games do not show up until you complete a match again. This could explain the behaviour of the statistics and should be fairly easy to confirm.

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Posted by: Celeras.4980

Celeras.4980

It is easy to confirm. It’s false.

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Posted by: butch.8136

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So you’re saying, Jon is lying?

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Posted by: Pifil.5193

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So you’re saying, Jon is lying?

No.

They’re saying he’s incorrect. It’s not the same thing, lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead, he’s saying what he believes to be the truth. It’s just apparently not the case.

What he said is what’s intended to happen but for whatever reason (a bug, a misunderstanding/miscommunication on the part of one or more of the development team or a simple transaction failure when trying to update the database) it’s not what actually happens.

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Posted by: butch.8136

butch.8136

Have people tested it thoroughly?

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Posted by: ahuba.6430

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Have people tested it thoroughly?

I’m sure devs have, and yesterday gasmask was saying that aswell.
Now, should i believe in the devs of the game and the #1 NA ranked player or the word of two randoms(silverthorne.8576 and celeras.4980) who don’t even show up on the leaderboards?

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Posted by: ahuba.6430

ahuba.6430

No 1v1 equals a broken pvp period.

Hello, please point me to the successful pvp game focused on 1v1, thank you.

can’t fault players for dropping out of matches because of terrible profession designs, poor match making and being placed on the losing side of ongoing matches.
until there are some serious profession changes, balance improvements and more effective build variety options implemented, most players will not have a fun and meaningful pvp for the sake of pvp experience despite all the fluff and faq.

huh? being placed on the losing side of ongoing matches? Tournament matches start at 0 how can you be placed mid match? Ohhhhh i get it, maybe you should stop hotjoining? You know theres no matchmaking in hotjoin right?
I’m curious now, what professions do you think are so out of balance?

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Posted by: Datsuni.4678

Datsuni.4678

So, You created a system where it is ok to leave the soloque matches and griev your own team to hell, with basically 0 punishment. Seriously anet? Have you not played any pvp mmos in the last 20 years? PPl will rage and griev and leave if they are loosing and wont be punished. Please create proper systems or hire ppl that have a reasonable idea of whats going to happen. Or even play your own game. One good idea would also be if you listened to the mass of ppl playing spvp, instead of the few top guys farming in their happy teams.

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Posted by: Med.6150

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Are you guys dense? One would expect people to test something that they apparently get all worked up about.

JonathanSharp was correct but not 100% clear in what he said. All that matters really is that your rating is adjusted based on the result of the game, whether you leave early or not and on that he was very clear in his second part of the sentence.
Whether your wins and losses show up on your character is inconsequential, as people do not do this to keep a high win/loss ratio.

So yeah, let me state it again:

1. You can leave a game, but your rating will still be affected

2. When people get all up in arms over something, they should learn to actually figure out if it’s broken first

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Posted by: Datsuni.4678

Datsuni.4678

you can leave early, guaranteeing a loss to the ppl staying. and getting a loss on yourself. The point is, when ppl leave they doom the team to loose. Do you think that it is ok?

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Posted by: Lok.3102

Lok.3102

you can leave early, guaranteeing a loss to the ppl staying. and getting a loss on yourself. The point is, when ppl leave they doom the team to loose. Do you think that it is ok?

Stop playing with bads. If your teammate is griefing your team you have bigger issues.

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Posted by: Powerr.3649

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Are you guys dense? One would expect people to test something that they apparently get all worked up about.

JonathanSharp was correct but not 100% clear in what he said. All that matters really is that your rating is adjusted based on the result of the game, whether you leave early or not and on that he was very clear in his second part of the sentence.
Whether your wins and losses show up on your character is inconsequential, as people do not do this to keep a high win/loss ratio.

So yeah, let me state it again:

1. You can leave a game, but your rating will still be affected

2. When people get all up in arms over something, they should learn to actually figure out if it’s broken first

This can be pretty much proven with the guy on the NA ladder who is 104-1 and only ranked 680th+

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Posted by: Celeras.4980

Celeras.4980

This can be pretty much proven with the guy on the NA ladder who is 104-1 and only ranked 680th+

If anything that is proof of exactly what I said: you do not take a loss when you leave.

The only reason people can even claim you take a rating hit is because it is invisible (for no reason). Could you be taking a rating hit? Maybe, and I said that too. But as for the part you can see, the win/loss, it does not happen the way Johnathan Sharp says it does. You leave, you do not take a loss. 100% confirmable, try it.

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Posted by: Reikou.7068

Reikou.7068

I just played 6 matches today and won all of them.

But I lost rating and rank. Not a few jumps up or down, which is sort of understandable, but a loss of about 200 ranking.

I’m kind of baffled by what possibly could have caused this. Winning matches causing you to lose rank.

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Posted by: Celeras.4980

Celeras.4980

You didn’t lose rating, and if you did you couldn’t confirm it anyway. You lost rank. People behind you gained more than you did. It’s a leaderboard, genius.

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Posted by: Sprawl.3891

Sprawl.3891

Are you guys dense? One would expect people to test something that they apparently get all worked up about.

JonathanSharp was correct but not 100% clear in what he said. All that matters really is that your rating is adjusted based on the result of the game, whether you leave early or not and on that he was very clear in his second part of the sentence.
Whether your wins and losses show up on your character is inconsequential, as people do not do this to keep a high win/loss ratio.

So yeah, let me state it again:

1. You can leave a game, but your rating will still be affected

2. When people get all up in arms over something, they should learn to actually figure out if it’s broken first

This can be pretty much proven with the guy on the NA ladder who is 104-1 and only ranked 680th+

or it could mean he had no rating established before the reset and runs a premade during off-hours and therefore only plays pugs since there is basically zero competitive teams playing outside of prime time.

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