Okay, so in another thread people are talking about cheesy builds that dominate sPVP. What are the best ones? I’ve been in PvP for a couple of weeks and I figure hey, if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em. If nothing else I need to learn how these work if I am going to have a chance of dealing with them even on my “non-cheesy” builds.
I only have experience with mesmer and thief so far, and my guess is those aren’t the builds where the cheese is usually found. I’m more interested in the builds that combine “bunkering” with high DPS.
Why, because it’s better to have people with more experience and stronger builds beating the snot out of people with both less experience and worse ones?
Playing bad cheese builds is a sure fire way to never learn to play the game —→ when you get the inevitible nerf bat which takes about 2 months with anet you’ll quit the game because you can’t play anything else.
I’ve cut my teeth on mesmer and thief, not exactly easy classes for a newbie. I can handle taking a beating.
(I wonder how many of the people who will respond to this thread saying I shouldn’t play “cheese builds” are playing them themselves… )
Both are very simple classes to cheese with, I don’t know where the got the impression they were hard to play. If you want a class that has a learning curve but is exceptionally rewarding when you know how to play it effectively, try engineer.
play Minion Master build. really easy and strong. you can evil kill people with it naked. all you need to do is master timing you CC’s and you’re good to go. try it on hotjoins first but i’m sure it’s gonna do fantastic on tpvp too.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
Minion master is good in tPvP only if you’re a really god player. Otherwise you get CCed to death or AOE wrecked and there’s not much you can do about it. Plus you have to learn to time sacrifices, CCs etc, so its not real easy high tier, but it can be effective still. On the other hand, in low tier pvp/starting out, its pretty easy to get going with because it’s made to “facetank” and leech health rather than avoid it a lot (due to lack of vigor/evades/blocks) so not having to worry as much about dodging in low tier combat, it works in your favor.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Pretty much this. As far as playing “well”, of course some have larger skill ceilings than others. Condition necro has a decently high skill ceiling for 1v1 cause in 1v1 they can be killed pretty easy, while MM is great 1v1 but harder in team fights. Hambow is like… always a winner, spirits are kind of too, just not as bad as Hambow.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Pretty much this. As far as playing “well”, of course some have larger skill ceilings than others. Condition necro has a decently high skill ceiling for 1v1 cause in 1v1 they can be killed pretty easy, while MM is great 1v1 but harder in team fights. Hambow is like… always a winner, spirits are kind of too, just not as bad as Hambow.
Only time I die to a hambow is if I got two on me or he has a bunch of team mates zerging around with him.
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Pretty much this. As far as playing “well”, of course some have larger skill ceilings than others. Condition necro has a decently high skill ceiling for 1v1 cause in 1v1 they can be killed pretty easy, while MM is great 1v1 but harder in team fights. Hambow is like… always a winner, spirits are kind of too, just not as bad as Hambow.
Only time I die to a hambow is if I got two on me.
Well, realistically, often times skill is still > build. (Or rock paper scissors in some cases, too), but point is, you can rarely go wrong with playing Hambow, it’s decently straight forward. The hardest parts is learning to combo/perfectly land CC chains. Easy or not all builds have skill gaps, and no build is absolutely immortal.
(Unless you count PU mesmers who run or perma stealth thieves)
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
I have a warrior at mid levels so a bit of familiarity there. Haven’t played necro yet but after getting destroyed by them a lot they intrigue me.
True or false: I’m better off leveling up a new class in PvE to get a good feel for its abilities before diving into PvP sight unseen? That’s the approach I’ve taken so far, though obviously it takes time.
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Pretty much this. As far as playing “well”, of course some have larger skill ceilings than others. Condition necro has a decently high skill ceiling for 1v1 cause in 1v1 they can be killed pretty easy, while MM is great 1v1 but harder in team fights. Hambow is like… always a winner, spirits are kind of too, just not as bad as Hambow.
Only time I die to a hambow is if I got two on me or he has a bunch of team mates zerging around with him.
Cool. You know, my p/d thief also never dies to anything. He is still utterly useless in spvp.
Minion master is good in tPvP only if you’re a really god player. Otherwise you get CCed to death or AOE wrecked and there’s not much you can do about it. Plus you have to learn to time sacrifices, CCs etc, so its not real easy high tier, but it can be effective still. On the other hand, in low tier pvp/starting out, its pretty easy to get going with because it’s made to “facetank” and leech health rather than avoid it a lot (due to lack of vigor/evades/blocks) so not having to worry as much about dodging in low tier combat, it works in your favor.
Hambow is not easy to play. You have to use your berserker stance wisely and make sure you land your cc’s and attacks well. Mellee class is never easy. People overestimate this class really bad. I hope people will stop calling a class OP just because they don’t know how to counter it.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Pretty much this. As far as playing “well”, of course some have larger skill ceilings than others. Condition necro has a decently high skill ceiling for 1v1 cause in 1v1 they can be killed pretty easy, while MM is great 1v1 but harder in team fights. Hambow is like… always a winner, spirits are kind of too, just not as bad as Hambow.
Only time I die to a hambow is if I got two on me or he has a bunch of team mates zerging around with him.
Cool. You know, my p/d thief also never dies to anything. He is still utterly useless in spvp.
Minion master is good in tPvP only if you’re a really god player. Otherwise you get CCed to death or AOE wrecked and there’s not much you can do about it. Plus you have to learn to time sacrifices, CCs etc, so its not real easy high tier, but it can be effective still. On the other hand, in low tier pvp/starting out, its pretty easy to get going with because it’s made to “facetank” and leech health rather than avoid it a lot (due to lack of vigor/evades/blocks) so not having to worry as much about dodging in low tier combat, it works in your favor.
Lol. MM takes skill xDDDDDDD
Well if you weren’t braindead, and played it in top 50 pvp (like I have, was rank 13 until I stopped playing conquest due to boredom) you’d might know what you’re talking about. LOL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Pretty much this. As far as playing “well”, of course some have larger skill ceilings than others. Condition necro has a decently high skill ceiling for 1v1 cause in 1v1 they can be killed pretty easy, while MM is great 1v1 but harder in team fights. Hambow is like… always a winner, spirits are kind of too, just not as bad as Hambow.
Only time I die to a hambow is if I got two on me or he has a bunch of team mates zerging around with him.
Cool. You know, my p/d thief also never dies to anything. He is still utterly useless in spvp.
Minion master is good in tPvP only if you’re a really god player. Otherwise you get CCed to death or AOE wrecked and there’s not much you can do about it. Plus you have to learn to time sacrifices, CCs etc, so its not real easy high tier, but it can be effective still. On the other hand, in low tier pvp/starting out, its pretty easy to get going with because it’s made to “facetank” and leech health rather than avoid it a lot (due to lack of vigor/evades/blocks) so not having to worry as much about dodging in low tier combat, it works in your favor.
Lol. MM takes skill xDDDDDDD
Well if you weren’t braindead, and played it in top 50 pvp (like I have, was rank 13 until I stopped playing conquest due to boredom) you’d might know what you’re talking about. LOL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
You know, when they have things like spirit ranger in top 1 pvp, your argument doesn’t really carry out :P. There is no high level pvp in this game, only pub.
This thread signifies the problem of Build Wars 2 – Making half-brained easy builds but not realising that there is more to the game than just 1v1 or 1v2. I hope I never see Qaelynn in solo or team Q.
Hambow war and spirit ranger top braindead cheese builds atm and condition/mm necro for second choice, even my grandma could be good playing those…and she’s dead…
Pretty much this. As far as playing “well”, of course some have larger skill ceilings than others. Condition necro has a decently high skill ceiling for 1v1 cause in 1v1 they can be killed pretty easy, while MM is great 1v1 but harder in team fights. Hambow is like… always a winner, spirits are kind of too, just not as bad as Hambow.
Only time I die to a hambow is if I got two on me or he has a bunch of team mates zerging around with him.
Cool. You know, my p/d thief also never dies to anything. He is still utterly useless in spvp.
Minion master is good in tPvP only if you’re a really god player. Otherwise you get CCed to death or AOE wrecked and there’s not much you can do about it. Plus you have to learn to time sacrifices, CCs etc, so its not real easy high tier, but it can be effective still. On the other hand, in low tier pvp/starting out, its pretty easy to get going with because it’s made to “facetank” and leech health rather than avoid it a lot (due to lack of vigor/evades/blocks) so not having to worry as much about dodging in low tier combat, it works in your favor.
Lol. MM takes skill xDDDDDDD
Well if you weren’t braindead, and played it in top 50 pvp (like I have, was rank 13 until I stopped playing conquest due to boredom) you’d might know what you’re talking about. LOL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
You know, when they have things like spirit ranger in top 1 pvp, your argument doesn’t really carry out :P. There is no high level pvp in this game, only pub.
How many MM do you see in the top, I dunno, 200? There are FOTM builds that are easy, but MM isn’t one of them (the higher you go). I said yes, its easy to pick up, but there is a such thing as high skill floor, high skill ceiling. Most people just don’t understand that unless they spend a lot of time playing something to understand the downsides. And I mean REALLY playing it, not going in a 1v1 room and wrecking a few nubs because I already covered that.
Read the top part of this and you’ll understand why I like MM so much, read the pros and cons and internalize them. You have to realize having AI as a part of your build has severe downsides just as much as it has its upsides. But people ignore those facts and go for the throat. Its so easy to say something is easy if you never play it.
(Like wise I didn’t have much respect for thieves until I started playing one)
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
I’ll probably be the only one telling you the truth, since it seems people always hold some kind of grudge against a certain class. As of now it seems like warriors are the scapegoats.
Reality is, that just because there is suddenly a strong warrior build, that doesn’t mean the other classes are not kittened as well.
So my answer to you:
Pretty much every single build in the game is cheesy atm.
And this is due to how the combat works where spamming is key. No energy or cooldown management. No risk vs reward.
So. Just pick a standard meta necro/engi/warrior/guardian/ranger build and it will be cheesy.
take your pick.
Super cheese category: Hambow warrior, spirit ranger, s/d thief, condi necro.
Cheese but not as strong as before mentioned cheese: mm necro, pu mesmer(our new overlords of cheese past 10th december).
Traits/builds/skills that will continue to further make this game a piece of kitten: Diamond skin, fresh air, signet of vampirism, mesmer new signet, automated response.
As you see, you got a lot of options if you really want to explore all the cheesy mechanics of gw2. Have fun with this awesome game!
EDIT: Like the guy above me said, its all cheesy atm. Even less known and not as good specs, such as interrupt mesmer, are about complete cheese and rng.
This thread signifies the problem of Build Wars 2 – Making half-brained easy builds but not realising that there is more to the game than just 1v1 or 1v2. I hope I never see Qaelynn in solo or team Q.
Yeah, all I care about is things being half-brained and easy. That’s why, as a new player, the only two characters I’ve leveled to 80 have been mesmer and thief. Because they’re just so simple to learn as a newcomer.
I’m going to keep playing both in PvP because I like playing both. But I thought it might be fun to try some of these “OP” builds I keep hearing about as well.
Turret engi, mantra mesmer, spirit weapon guards, longsword rangers, staff warriors, and all ele builds are really cheese. Use those if you want to destroy everyone
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This thread signifies the problem of Build Wars 2 – Making half-brained easy builds but not realising that there is more to the game than just 1v1 or 1v2. I hope I never see Qaelynn in solo or team Q.
Yeah, all I care about is things being half-brained and easy. That’s why, as a new player, the only two characters I’ve leveled to 80 have been mesmer and thief. Because they’re just so simple to learn as a newcomer.
There is a place for easy, powerful builds. Let people play how they like. Some people don’t have twitch skill, or fast reaction time, but they are good at overall team strategy.
They should have a build that gives them reasonable ability.
All of these “cheese buildds” can be countered, if you think about it longer and look for the weakeness. All builds have one.
The Alien (condi necro),That Wreckin Crew (Mesmer)
Silentshoes (Thief), Wind of the Woods (condi ranger)
I did better playing a warrior the other day where I only knew what about half of the buttons I was pressing did than I did today on my thief that I’ve build crafted and played with since the game was released.
I didn’t even know what build I was using for warr.
Then don’t post. You’re adding nothing to the thread.
Thanks to those who responded seriously. I do have some experience with warrior so I’ll play with that a bit, though I suspect I’ll come back to mesmer and thief because they are more interesting in terms of playstyle.
Thief has some incredible cheese builds. Evasion-spam build, heartseeker/stealth build (just wait till people are low health, open on them, kill them, back to stealth).
The cheesiest of the cheese is obviously Warrior, but Thief can come pretty close purely due to stealth. Stealth/rogue-like classes are always very easy to play in MMO’s because you can just run away away if you mess things up.
Play something like ele or non bunker multikit engi -> compare it to hambow -> realize that your statement is absurdly far from the truth.
i can play warrior, necro, mesmer and ranger. chasing a foe with a hammer is kinda tricky since its attacks are pretty slow. healing signet active heal is useless. once foes burst you in a team fight, you are dead. necro has spectral form, a ranger has the nature spirit and a mesmer has clones and teleport. go figure which one has better survivability.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
Play something like ele or non bunker multikit engi -> compare it to hambow -> realize that your statement is absurdly far from the truth.
i can play warrior, necro, mesmer and ranger. chasing a foe with a hammer is kinda tricky since its attacks are pretty slow. healing signet active heal is useless. once foes burst you in a team fight, you are dead. necro has spectral form, a ranger has the nature spirit and a mesmer has clones and teleport. go figure which one has better survivability.
So a warrior doesn’t have immunity’s, stuns and condi clears which make him recuperate from that burst ? not to mention they are a heavy class.
Level 80 Elementalist, experienced player in pvp, trying out pve for now.
This is the standard hambow i guess: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-ss-o;1NKVP0f4;160;9;59T-T;13;189;127A;6KJG4KJG45BW
3rd Utility: Dolyak Signet, Signet of Stamina or Defy Pain depending on enemy teamcomp and personal preferences
Defense: 2 or 3
Sigils: 2x Fire or maybe energy+force or sth else
I heard some people run Soldiers or Valyries amulet for more defense but i never tried that.
Hambow is not easy to play. You have to use your berserker stance wisely and make sure you land your cc’s and attacks well. Mellee class is never easy. People overestimate this class really bad. I hope people will stop calling a class OP just because they don’t know how to counter it.
lol this post would be perfect as a troll, but knowing you, I know you’re 100% serious. God kitten it, you’re gonna get me forum banned again because of all the nonsense you say bro. Stop pls
Hambow is not easy to play. You have to use your berserker stance wisely and make sure you land your cc’s and attacks well. Mellee class is never easy. People overestimate this class really bad. I hope people will stop calling a class OP just because they don’t know how to counter it.
lol this post would be perfect as a troll, but knowing you, I know you’re 100% serious. God kitten it, you’re gonna get me forum banned again because of all the nonsense you say bro. Stop pls
Best part? He mains spirit ranger. :P
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Hambow is not easy to play. You have to use your berserker stance wisely and make sure you land your cc’s and attacks well. Mellee class is never easy. People overestimate this class really bad. I hope people will stop calling a class OP just because they don’t know how to counter it.
lol this post would be perfect as a troll, but knowing you, I know you’re 100% serious. God kitten it, you’re gonna get me forum banned again because of all the nonsense you say bro. Stop pls
if you start believing me then your forum stay would be much better. even a noob like me has the right to express his thoughts.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
Hambow is not easy to play. You have to use your berserker stance wisely and make sure you land your cc’s and attacks well. Mellee class is never easy. People overestimate this class really bad. I hope people will stop calling a class OP just because they don’t know how to counter it.
lol this post would be perfect as a troll, but knowing you, I know you’re 100% serious. God kitten it, you’re gonna get me forum banned again because of all the nonsense you say bro. Stop pls
if you start believing me then your forum stay would be much better. even a noob like me has the right to express his thoughts.
If you call yourself a nub, then why do you keep writing bullkitten and trying to convince people of that knowlegde at the same time?
Level 80 Elementalist, experienced player in pvp, trying out pve for now.
This is the standard hambow i guess: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-ss-o;1NKVP0f4;160;9;59T-T;13;189;127A;6KJG4KJG45BW
3rd Utility: Dolyak Signet, Signet of Stamina or Defy Pain depending on enemy teamcomp and personal preferences
Defense: 2 or 3
Sigils: 2x Fire or maybe energy+force or sth else
I heard some people run Soldiers or Valyries amulet for more defense but i never tried that.
Want more cheese? Go try soldier with that…no joke, you just…can’t die while still killing stuff, even more braindead than zerk one..for the real pro wars xD
This is the standard hambow i guess: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-ss-o;1NKVP0f4;160;9;59T-T;13;189;127A;6KJG4KJG45BW
3rd Utility: Dolyak Signet, Signet of Stamina or Defy Pain depending on enemy teamcomp and personal preferences
Defense: 2 or 3
Sigils: 2x Fire or maybe energy+force or sth else
I heard some people run Soldiers or Valyries amulet for more defense but i never tried that.
Want more cheese? Go try soldier with that…no joke, you just…can’t die while still killing stuff, even more braindead than zerk one..for the real pro wars xD
that’s my favorite ammy on my warrior.
PVP Ranger: Prince Valentine, PVP Warrior: Prince of Hearts I, and PVP Mesmer: Prince Valentine I
This is the standard hambow i guess: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-ss-o;1NKVP0f4;160;9;59T-T;13;189;127A;6KJG4KJG45BW
3rd Utility: Dolyak Signet, Signet of Stamina or Defy Pain depending on enemy teamcomp and personal preferences
Defense: 2 or 3
Sigils: 2x Fire or maybe energy+force or sth else
I heard some people run Soldiers or Valyries amulet for more defense but i never tried that.
I’ve got to call this one guys, before people start a discussion.
Valentine IS a troll, so don’t feed him.
And Hello Moderator, I’m putting up my infraction-shield up and it reflects attacks so you better be careful!
I’ve been in PvP for a couple of weeks and I figure hey, if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em. If nothing else I need to learn how these work if I am going to have a chance of dealing with them even on my “non-cheesy” builds.