And here I am hoping, praying that the same level of attention has been given to other specializations also.
I have high hopes especially for the ele specialization, judging from the name, it’ll be a burst specialization, a viable burst option for me that dislike the yolo fresh air build.
My hopes are that tempest will be something akin to the invoke/lightning surge GW1 ele in terms of speed and power.
Air ele was my spec( ele/dervish^^), it was for over 5 years in GW1, a burst spec that I always dreamed about, hoping it’d be possible in GW2…maybe this is the time, I hope so.
But again gz to the mesmer community, your specialization does indeed sound amazing, especially :Tides of Time.
Elite specs might enforce the meta it looks like. Old builds will get buffed but ANET might make Elite specs way too crazy.
They’ll need to be careful with it for sure.
For most professions, the trait improvements announced last week were surprisingly really good. If the precedent is being set with mesmer, the elites appear to be very strong and the legacy traits needed to be brought up to compete with them.
I can’t see any reason for a mesmer not to sacrifice a trait line for the elite specialisation. the f5 is so strong not taking it is a bad move, I mean double moa come on.
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all the new specializations are going to be insanely OP.
P2W incoming
That’s the kitten iest thing to say… Hell, in most MMOs you can’t even play top level stuff without buying the expansion. At least here you can… Buy the kitten expansion and stop being cheap.
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There will be no sacraficing with elite specialization.
From what we’ve seen, they only add to existing profession, without trade offs. So every Mesmer will be a Chronomancer as long as he can give up on one of base trait lines.
That’s what many feared. Vanilla specs non-existant, you choose between specializations. And since we’ll get only one specialization in HoT, there’s no choice yet.
There will be no sacraficing with elite specialization.
From what we’ve seen, they only add to existing profession, without trade offs. So every Mesmer will be a Chronomancer as long as he can give up on one of base trait lines.
That’s what many feared. Vanilla specs non-existant, you choose between specializations. And since we’ll get only one specialization in HoT, there’s no choice yet.
To suck or not to suck.
I think the idea is to rework traits so that every line is good, and then what you’re giving up is a trait line from the core profession. I’d assume the specialization trait line will be necessary for the Specializations to not be bad. Plus mesmers get shields, but it doesn’t seem it has clone or phantasm generation? So there is give and take there.
It still seems you’re right. But it’s not quite that bad.
I think it will depend on how the Chronomancer can affect damage output overall. If it’s too easy to win team fights with a Chrono, then it will be because the coordination it takes to pull it off is too easy, like having too large an AoE or too long a duration on these Shield skills.
That said, Chrono looks like an excellent team fighter, a role that Mesmers pretty much suck at right now. Slowing down a Thief’s animations would mitigate their burst capability, and this would be the first time a Mesmer could actually kite a Thief long enough for their team to squish him.
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Double Moa or double Time Warp with F5, activate signet of illusions, summon 3 phantasms in a short time span with F5 + SotE for huge damage, then proceed to shatter in the face = gg.
The design is pretty amazing, probably these elite specs (in general) will be super strong initially and a fast balance will be necessary but i really appreciate the attempt to create innovative skill no brainless with great team sinergy.
The design is pretty amazing, probably these elite specs (in general) will be super strong initially and a fast balance will be necessary but i really appreciate the attempt to create innovative skill no brainless with great team sinergy.
all the new specializations are going to be insanely OP.
P2W incoming
> Getting specializations for free
>"P2W"
Wat
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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
The design is pretty amazing, probably these elite specs (in general) will be super strong initially and a fast balance will be necessary but i really appreciate the attempt to create innovative skill no brainless with great team sinergy.
fast balance…
this guy, amiright fellas?
you can’t spell ‘fast’ with ‘anet’
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On a side note, I wonder what the necromancer’s elite specialization will be. With greatsword as the new weapon the Death Knight vibe is strong
Necromancer Elite: Joker
Jokers gain access to the Great sword. The Joker’s unique class mechanic is that it has a split auto attack functionality. You must press 1, then 2, then 3 for its auto attack. For example:
1. Slash. 2. Another Slash. 3.) Slash more, gain 2% life force.
In addition to the Great sword, necromancer also unlocks brand new shout abilities, with classics such as:
“Wait up!” which gives all enemies within 600 range a 5 second cripple!
“I’m Going into Death Shroud, Don’t heal yet!” which tells allies that you’re about to enter death shroud, so supporting you will be useless. This will play a major role in team fights.
And their elite shout:
“I GIVE!”, likely one of the most interesting abilties we’ve added to the game. This ability causes you to instantly enter downed stat triggering all “on downed” traits such as death nova and gives you access to your downed state “1” combo for additional damage. Think high risk, high reward!
I’m stoked.
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Because that’s all this game needs, more burst builds…..
smh
This has been my thought through this entire update. 50% bonus damage trait for shatters. Now you can triple shatter with f5 and SoI! Sounds like a raging time.
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Probably, but this shatter can’t last long and probably has an animation, so it shouldn’t be as bad as double moa sounds. Plus, as long as the new shatter doesn’t last long, you couldn’t really moa someone twice in a row, but you could probably moa 2 people.
On a side note, I wonder what the necromancer’s elite specialization will be. With greatsword as the new weapon the Death Knight vibe is strong
Necromancer Elite: Joker
Jokers gain access to the Great sword. The Joker’s unique class mechanic is that it has a split auto attack functionality. You must press 1, then 2, then 3 for its auto attack. For example:
1. Slash. 2. Another Slash. 3.) Slash more, gain 2% life force.
In addition to the Great sword, necromancer also unlocks brand new shout abilities, with classics such as:
“Wait up!” which gives all enemies within 600 range a 5 second cripple!
“I’m Going into Death Shroud, Don’t heal yet!” which tells allies that you’re about to enter death shroud, so supporting you will be useless. This will play a major role in team fights.
And their elite shout:
“I GIVE!”, likely one of the most interesting abilties we’ve added to the game. This ability causes you to instantly enter downed stat triggering all “on downed” traits such as death nova and gives you access to your downed state “1” combo for additional damage. Think high risk, high reward!
I’m stoked.
Designed by Ricky Gervais, the Balance Manager. Every time Joker would die, laughter would be heard. https://youtu.be/F8C0Ou9WVTE
I think some of specializations will be amazing and OP, initially.
A cynical person may say, they will do this on purpose to make you want to buy the expansion.
But enjoy them well you can because this is GW2 and your not allowed under any circumstances whatsoever to have powerful spells, at least in the long term. So 3 months after HoT is released every new decent trait/skill will be massively nerfed into utter boring uselessness.
I have 3 years of GW2 development as 100% proof this will happen.
I think some of specializations will be amazing and OP, initially.
A cynical person may say, they will do this on purpose to make you want to buy the expansion.
But enjoy them well you can because this is GW2 and your not allowed under any circumstances whatsoever to have powerful spells, at least in the long term. So 3 months after HoT is released every new decent trait/skill will be massively nerfed into utter boring uselessness.
I have 3 years of GW2 development as 100% proof this will happen.
Some?…no no bro, all you mean! They must be all equally good
Getting back into mesmer ( Was my first 80 ) again in the last few months has really reinvigorated my energy for playing. And after reading about the Chronomancer…wow I am really super excited now. So I have to agree it does SOUND amazing, but will have to wait to see if it really is amazing!
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cant you just not equip the chronomancer utilities?
You can, but it would be quite weird when you wanna specialize but dont wanna use specialization based utilities right? I mean shouldn’t you make the most out of it?
cant you just not equip the chronomancer utilities?
You can, but it would be quite weird when you wanna specialize but dont wanna use specialization based utilities right? I mean shouldn’t you make the most out of it?
People who make the most of things are banned in pvp.
Also, there may be some cases in which normal mes skills may prove to make a powerful build w/o offhand shield.
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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
As a Mesmer main, I disagree that every Mesmer will need to spec into Chronomancer or gtfo. There are some dangerous combinations already in place without Chrono. You can achieve highest overall dps by going into Dom/Dueling/Illusions. You also have lockdown with Dom/Dueling/Chaos being devastating.
Chronomancer offers an alternative way of dps via efficient recharge management, but you give up some dps in exchange of supportive traits (wells). Yes, there’s some crazy insane things you can do with F5, but that’s a one-trick pony. Or maybe a one-trick Pegasus is more appropriate.
Note, this is really all just fun speculation as we don’t know everything we need to in order to make justified conclusions.
Coming from someone that mains mesmer and will for sure buy the expansion. I have a feeling these elite specializations will be over the top. I’m by all means in favor of adding new content to increase build diversity but I hope Anet keeps it on par with the legacy content
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That reset is just too strong. I don’t see why no one will want to take that when you get too many options with it.
If you are trying to fill a pure DPS role, it seems like Dom/Deuling/Illusions will still be strongest. Chrono seems like it will put you into more of a support/cc role. We will have to see how much pure shatter DPS gets amped (+50% MR damage anyone?) vs the potential for disruption/team support that the Chronomancer provides before we make any judgments. Best case scenario is that mesmer will have 2 viable roles in PvP.
That reset is just too strong. I don’t see why no one will want to take that when you get too many options with it.
That is the problem with making something so strong…its either way-OP and everyone needs it, or you give it an incredibly long CD and it becomes useless.
Also, I too am worried most mesmers will be forced to take chronomancer, even if just for the extra shatter and auto-renewal of phantasms on-death/shatter. Just thinking about how OP it will be to cast tides of time…shatter once, phantasms/clones auto-renew, shatter immediately again, reset with tides of time (does this bring the initial clones back to life?), and do it all again. With IP baseline that is an insane amount of burst possible, plus great defensive utility on-par or better than an invuln. Mesmers are pretty close to a balanced level with their rate of production of shatter-fodder atm, but these traits/skills are a whole new ballgame.
While this makes some very interesting gameplay, its going to be a very big challenge to balance.
Biggest fear: they reach a relatively balanced level, but some specific combo is found that is way OP (like some 1-shot mechanic) and they are forced to nerf key functionality into oblivion.
That reset is just too strong. I don’t see why no one will want to take that when you get too many options with it.
That is the problem with making something so strong…its either way-OP and everyone needs it, or you give it an incredibly long CD and it becomes useless.
Also, I too am worried most mesmers will be forced to take chronomancer, even if just for the extra shatter and auto-renewal of phantasms on-death/shatter. Just thinking about how OP it will be to cast tides of time…shatter once, phantasms/clones auto-renew, shatter immediately again, reset with tides of time (does this bring the initial clones back to life?), and do it all again. With IP baseline that is an insane amount of burst possible, plus great defensive utility on-par or better than an invuln. Mesmers are pretty close to a balanced level with their rate of production of shatter-fodder atm, but these traits/skills are a whole new ballgame.
While this makes some very interesting gameplay, its going to be a very big challenge to balance.
Biggest fear: they reach a relatively balanced level, but some specific combo is found that is way OP (like some 1-shot mechanic) and they are forced to nerf key functionality into oblivion.
The biggest fear is that not all specializations will be as powerful.
That reset is just too strong. I don’t see why no one will want to take that when you get too many options with it.
That is the problem with making something so strong…its either way-OP and everyone needs it, or you give it an incredibly long CD and it becomes useless.
Also, I too am worried most mesmers will be forced to take chronomancer, even if just for the extra shatter and auto-renewal of phantasms on-death/shatter. Just thinking about how OP it will be to cast tides of time…shatter once, phantasms/clones auto-renew, shatter immediately again, reset with tides of time (does this bring the initial clones back to life?), and do it all again. With IP baseline that is an insane amount of burst possible, plus great defensive utility on-par or better than an invuln. Mesmers are pretty close to a balanced level with their rate of production of shatter-fodder atm, but these traits/skills are a whole new ballgame.
While this makes some very interesting gameplay, its going to be a very big challenge to balance.
Biggest fear: they reach a relatively balanced level, but some specific combo is found that is way OP (like some 1-shot mechanic) and they are forced to nerf key functionality into oblivion.
The biggest fear is that not all specializations will be as powerful.
i don’t agree at all. i would prefer specializations to be an alternative as opposed to being a must have. i would hate for all classes to be forced into using them.
i intend to use the engineer specialization, hammers are awesome yo’- but i do want rifle and p/s to continue to be equally valuable, just different (the way things are now).
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I should have been more clear, by powerful I mean a viable alternative to core spec.
Something I start to fear, won’t be the same for all professions, as some will get shafted..once again…oh and I have no doubt that engi specialization will be amazing, nobody ever think that engi could get something not amazing
Truth be told, in my heart I know the professions that are at risk of being left out in the cold : necromancers, elementalist and warrior
I should have been more clear, by powerful I mean a viable alternative to core spec.
Something I start to fear, won’t be the same for all professions, as some will get shafted..once again…oh and I have no doubt that engi specialization will be amazing, nobody ever think that engi could get something not amazing
Truth be told, in my heart I know the professions that are at risk of being left out in the cold : necromancers, elementalist and warrior
who cares about the specialization for warrior? zerker physical builds are about to become a thing finally. warrior changes look like they are going to fix all bad heals and utilites leaving us with only one bad choice, the rifle (even duel axe is getting love with the +300 ferocity change). making warrior builds is gonna be so fun, each specialization they have looks worthwhile and awesome. dang it’s cool.
revenant looks like it might push engi out of meta if we start to see a lot of them. we have to remember it’s the current lack of conditions and stability that let’s engineer succeed. an engineer is a free kill for any decent condi build, and a mace/axe revant with Mallyx for condi, and Jalis for the stability road should have very little trouble with an engineer. the revenant can negate the engineers cc, load him up with condis and draws power from the condis the engineer puts on him. it’s scary stuff.
necro could get the full set of shouts anet mentioned to go with it’s greatsword. that could be quite beastly, and the curret zerker necro is an utter beast if you babysit it. i peel for my pal on my warrior when he’s on necro and he can kill anything.
i really don’t know about ele, could be a good burst melee option i don’t know. i’ve never actually been able to kill another player on my ele so i doubt i’ll ever see success with with it #worsteleworldwide.
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i think the chronomancer role will be with phantasm mainly giving cc and buff to the area
for power burst the power shatter will still be upper as if you buff too much the dmg with chrono line there will be no point taking others. thus i guess chrono will have less power/condi base but will have nice tricks with f5
question:
if i dont choose chrono line will i be able to use f5?
i think the chronomancer role will be with phantasm mainly giving cc and buff to the area
for power burst the power shatter will still be upper as if you buff too much the dmg with chrono line there will be no point taking others. thus i guess chrono will have less power/condi base but will have nice tricks with f5
question:
if i dont choose chrono line will i be able to use f5?
No. I think you have to take chrono line to use f5, shield and wells.
Power shatter mesmer will probably still go for 66006. The question is whether it will still be the most effective mesmer build.
I think the idea is to rework traits so that every line is good, and then what you’re giving up is a trait line from the core profession. I’d assume the specialization trait line will be necessary for the Specializations to not be bad. Plus mesmers get shields, but it doesn’t seem it has clone or phantasm generation? So there is give and take there.
It still seems you’re right. But it’s not quite that bad.
But we know how the trait lines will be revamped now to a large extent and chronomancer still looks like being absolutely necessary, far better than any other single line.
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i think the chronomancer role will be with phantasm mainly giving cc and buff to the area
for power burst the power shatter will still be upper as if you buff too much the dmg with chrono line there will be no point taking others. thus i guess chrono will have less power/condi base but will have nice tricks with f5
question:
if i dont choose chrono line will i be able to use f5?
No. I think you have to take chrono line to use f5, shield and wells.
Power shatter mesmer will probably still go for 66006. The question is whether it will still be the most effective mesmer build.
thanks
so it will be wierd. as i dont have to take any other trait line to use sword /gs etc or use any other f1-f4 shatter. so why with chrono i must?
There will be no sacraficing with elite specialization.
From what we’ve seen, they only add to existing profession, without trade offs. So every Mesmer will be a Chronomancer as long as he can give up on one of base trait lines.
That’s what many feared. Vanilla specs non-existant, you choose between specializations. And since we’ll get only one specialization in HoT, there’s no choice yet.
To suck or not to suck.
Actually there’s a lot of sacrifice for Mesmers, allow me to quote someone from the Mesmer’s community:
Let’s start with interrupt builds. Standard interrupt will probably be domination, dueling, and chaos. Chaos gives the strong CI/BI effects, along with good staff boosts. Dueling has the incredible pistol trait, along with standard DE for clone generation and other utility stuff. Domination has the amazing reworked CS, along with the power block + upgraded halting strike trait. This a really well-working, strong build. Now, to take chrono, you’d have to sacrifice some of that. You could…but it would be a significant sacrifice. From what we know of chrono, some stuff is comparable to stuff from other traitlines. This makes that sacrifice a viable option, but absolutely not the single best one.
Alright, now lets do power shatter builds. Power shatter is domination, dueling, and illusions. You’d have to sacrifice one for chrono. Domination has incredible damgae amp. Dueling has DE. Illusions has the powerful shatter cooldowns + shatter boosting traits. Chrono might be worth dropping one of those for…but it’ll be a big sacrifice. One that some people might take, but is definitely not the single best choice.
Now lets look at condie shatter. Condie shatter is generally going to be dueling, chaos, and illusions. This is a really strong set, with dueling providing conditions on crit plus DE, chaos giving staff traits and PU, and illusions providing Maim. One of these must be sacrificed for chrono. Again, maybe you could sacrifice chaos, maybe dueling…but it’s a hard choice. One that some people might take, but definitely not the single best choice.
I could do this for phantasm builds, mantra builds, literally any standard build archetype….I could do this same analysis for.
Conclusion
Chrono is an interesting specialization, has some strong utilities, useful traits…and is absolutely not going to be the only option.
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But we know how the trait lines will be revamped now to a large extent and chronomancer still looks like being absolutely necessary, far better than any other single line.
With the trait revamp, there are a lot of strong viable builds even without the Chronomancer line. Chrono is amazing, but based on what we know, Mesmer will be strong regardless. My friends and I have theory crafted a lot, and I’m pretty confident that Chrono won’t be OP compared to other lines.
I do disagree with Pyro in that I think Condition Shatter can do well without Chaos, and in fact, would be even better with Chrono due to higher clone management efficiency.
