Guild Wars 2

Hi there! Today I drop here to talk about a concern I am recently having about the insane amount of Toxic Players on PvP ranked match.

By Toxic Player I mean people that behave in way that it hurts the game and even other player’s feelings. Some examples would be:

• Players who AFK because they just give up and think it’s not worth playing. (yeah, they still do that knowing that the Dishonor it’s actually turned off or doesn’t work properly). Some of them even do give advice to the contrary team!
• Players that harass, makes fun of and insults other players because they apparently come from PvE/they don’t play well enough/don’t follow their orders.
• Players who just insult and blame their teamates after/during a lost game. Very common on sore loser who think they were awesome but their teamates failed.
• Rage leavers (theses are actually punished on their leaderboard score anyway)

Personally, I both block and report those players (and even sometimes I send them a last message warning them about their rudeness).
I know that sometimes people just have bad days and cant hold their tongues. No one enjoys the taste of defeat, and I also sometimes rage too at home when I lose a match after another, but that’s not reason to behave that way or being rude. If you have nothing good to say, simply you shouldn’t say anything at all…

I am seeing that behaviour over and over is way disturbing, and I feel somehow fighting for a lost cause , and it will be always be like this until there is some action from above.
It’s not pleasant at all reading chat messages from a experienced player telling other ones to uninstall the game or to go back to PvE.

Above that, and also more disturbing to my understanding, I also noticed that some of theses toxic players are on the first page of the PvP Leaderboards (Sorry, not going to give names or hints about what region I am talking about), and well, it’s pretty troublesome that theses player are not only not being punished in any way for that kind of behaviour, but they are also going to be rewarded with juicy stuff!!

What do you think about this?

I think kitten talking, and playing the blame game is one of the things you’re never going to change in a PvP setting.

If you don’t play well and im doing ranked i’d of course blame it on them. If I see a guardian push far at the start of a match and leave a lb ranger to defend home of course id question why he was doing ranked matches.

You are right, that’s why I feel like fighting for a lost cause but I would feel more relieved if there was some justice to discourage that behaviour. I’m not asking for a round of bans or temp account suspension (Which wouldn’t be that bad…)

I think the Dishonor system was the first stone on that, but it’s actually not working and even if it worked as intended I think it should be improved in a way it could punish people who are toxic.

You shouldnt blame/insult/kitten talk anyone for any reason.
Everyone has been newbie once, people don’t have the same skill, and even the do things that you may find absurd…but that’s not a reason to send them back to PvE or tell them to don’t do ranked. Anyone is free to play any available game mode in the game, and also they shall learn something from defeats, as I, and other players did in the past.
Also I have to say that actually, It’s no their fault they are not being matched with other players of their own skill level
I suggested in the NPE feedback thread why not locking Ranked until you meet certain conditions (Winning 5 unranked matches or something like that) since ranked matches it’s really unfriendly to beginners

lol all these “QQ people are mean” threads! How long have you been on the internet!

• Get thicker skin! There is no internet police!
• Raging players are hilarious! Stop taking everything so seriously!
• There is a block function!
• It’s PvP! In a competitive (lol) scenario, there’s always going to be bm!
• http://www.twitter.com/gw2drama

Wahoo! Bye frands!

PS Also blame Anet for having just THE WORST matchmaking in the history of games with matchmaking! If they’re going to put beginners and veterans on the same team… No vet wants to play with/against beginners and vice versa! Also blame Anet for not trying to get new players to play their game! One of the reasons why matchmaking is so bad is because of the lack of players!

Jade Arkadian.9280:

You shouldnt blame/insult/kitten talk anyone for any reason.
Everyone has been newbie once, people don’t have the same skill, and even the do things that you may find absurd…but that’s not a reason to send them back to PvE or tell them to don’t do ranked. Anyone is free to play any available game mode in the game, and also they shall learn something from defeats, as I, and other players did in the past.
Also I have to say that actually, It’s no their fault they are not being matched with other players of their own skill level
I suggested in the NPE feedback thread why not locking Ranked until you meet certain conditions (Winning 5 unranked matches or something like that) since ranked matches it’s really unfriendly to beginners

If I’m playing ranked and others still haven’t learned the mechanic they deserve to catch some heat. Ranked is supposed to be competitive, not noob central.

SobeSoul.6910:

Jade Arkadian.9280:

You shouldnt blame/insult/kitten talk anyone for any reason.
Everyone has been newbie once, people don’t have the same skill, and even the do things that you may find absurd…but that’s not a reason to send them back to PvE or tell them to don’t do ranked. Anyone is free to play any available game mode in the game, and also they shall learn something from defeats, as I, and other players did in the past.
Also I have to say that actually, It’s no their fault they are not being matched with other players of their own skill level
I suggested in the NPE feedback thread why not locking Ranked until you meet certain conditions (Winning 5 unranked matches or something like that) since ranked matches it’s really unfriendly to beginners

If I’m playing ranked and others still haven’t learned the mechanic they deserve to catch some heat. Ranked is supposed to be competitive, not noob central.

And do you really that will do any good? The answer is obviously No. You will be likely kittened back, blocked and/or even reported for insults if you really offended someone, and being reported again just to double check. Of course, nothing will change for you and the other player.

So…Is it really worth the effort of being mean to others? If you dont have nothing good to say just dont say anything and you will be fine.

ArrDee.2573:

lol all these “QQ people are mean” threads! How long have you been on the internet!

• Get thicker skin! There is no internet police!
• Raging players are hilarious! Stop taking everything so seriously!
• There is a block function!
• It’s PvP! In a competitive (lol) scenario, there’s always going to be bm!
• http://www.twitter.com/gw2drama

Wahoo! Bye frands!

PS Also blame Anet for having just THE WORST matchmaking in the history of games with matchmaking! If they’re going to put beginners and veterans on the same team… No vet wants to play with/against beginners and vice versa! Also blame Anet for not trying to get new players to play their game! One of the reasons why matchmaking is so bad is because of the lack of players!

• Actually there is some kind of police on GW2 and even on theses forums. GM and Mods are paid for that.
• Yes, some of them they are fun…but I’m tired of free hate
• Sure, I mentioned it earlier. Also there is also a report function but i’m not really sure if it does something :/
• Hmm… (Not really have anything worthy to say about that link)

If people join ranked, I expect them to at least know the basics. If they’re not the best player in the world, it’s perfectly fine with me. But when someone obviously just comes to finish a daily or decides to join ranked at their 3rd PvP game ever, I’d say that they deserve some of it to some extent.

I think new to PvP should follow this procedure:
1. Start by just playing practice mode to ONLY learn the map layout and how the maps works in general. Once you know how the maps look and works, move to step 2.

2. Go to the north part of the Heart of the Mists map. Just experiment with some random builds, traits and fight all the NPCs there. If you can kill all the NPCs 100% of the time, move to step 3.

3. Same map, go to the bottom right corner and fight either Svanir or Chieftain. If you can’t kill them, that’s fine for now (but ideally, you should be able to solo them). But train dodge, their tells and so on. See how comfortable you are with your build and how effectively you can use your skills.

4. Go to unranked mode and test / improve your build. Notice what your build is weak against and what it’s strong against. Whenever you make a mistake, take a mental note and think of what you could’ve done different in that situation.
Play at least 20 matches or so in unranked with that build.

Further Training:

1. Do every step above but with different classes and builds. Learning how other classes work will give you a huge advantage in facing them.

2. Go to metabattle and use a build that is popular and is current meta and train with it.

The steps above is what I at the very least expect from a player joining ranked mode.

Haha! Author probably was 2 hours ago in same game match as I were. There was one mad ranger did all of above mentioned things..

Every 5 games it repeats, appears one guy who tells crap and goes afk, it doesn’t matter if point difference is only 50 points they still go afk/teach everyone.

Well it’s extremely irritating when good players are used to compensate bad teams. When that does happen it is infuriating to play with people who don’t read chat, do their own thing, can’t rotate and waste time in 1v1 fights they won’t win. But to be fair when I see players that are really bad I just block them and give them a nickname so I can queue dodge them.

REGGADO.1237:

Haha! Author probably was 2 hours ago in same game match as I were. There was one mad ranger did all of above mentioned things..

Every 5 games it repeats, appears one guy who tells crap and goes afk, it doesn’t matter if point difference is only 50 points they still go afk/teach everyone.

Probably lol, but I met so many Toxic Players in the last 2 weeks… My block list is full of them! O_o (Censored names BTW)

ArrDee.2573:

• Get thicker skin!
• Raging players are hilarious! Stop taking everything so seriously!
• There is a block function!
• It’s PvP! In a competitive (lol) scenario, there’s always going to be bm!

ArrDee.2573:

lol all these “QQ people are mean” threads! How long have you been on the internet!

• Get thicker skin! There is no internet police!
• Raging players are hilarious! Stop taking everything so seriously!
• There is a block function!
• It’s PvP! In a competitive (lol) scenario, there’s always going to be bm!
• http://www.twitter.com/gw2drama

Wahoo! Bye frands!

PS Also blame Anet for having just THE WORST matchmaking in the history of games with matchmaking! If they’re going to put beginners and veterans on the same team… No vet wants to play with/against beginners and vice versa! Also blame Anet for not trying to get new players to play their game! One of the reasons why matchmaking is so bad is because of the lack of players!

This is true.

Trust me , you should flame them as hard as you wish in the PvP side , just for giggles too :P
Like :
leave your moma house , before talking to me’

Or spam ‘’QQ your tears feed me ’’ 24/7 > whatever they talk about

And if some1 is truly a kitten a harash with wispers , just sent me a mail with a name , and i will be their ‘’close friend’’ in the forums and ingame :P

I MEAN A REALLY CLOSE FRIEND , WITH 4-5 INC ALT ACCOUNTS !!!
(it surely will give a a motivation to seriously play again PvP sicne Sept-2013 , rather than seeing familiar names and sulk by remembering ‘’their old forums conversations’’ ….

Jade Arkadian.9280:

• Players that harass, makes fun of and insults other players because they apparently come from PvE/they don’t play well enough/don’t follow their orders.
• Players who just insult and blame their teamates after/during a lost game. Very common on sore loser who think they were awesome but their teamates failed.

Jade Arkadian.9280:

What do you think about this?

I think that you are wasting someone’s time, if you are entering ranked grounds without knowledge of maps, builds, classes and strategies.

I am not surprised that people insult you.

Some people doesn’t have a whole day to sit in front of PC and farm ranks.

For these each match is precious, as is their time.

Any of you have me as a toxic one on your list?

Jade, I can understand why this would upset/annoy you, it does me too from time to time. But I have my own way of dealing it. Where possible, when someone shouts some unconstructive rant at me, I use the opportunity to annoy them. We all need to let off steam from time to time and these ‘people’ are ideal candidates to annoy, in an effort to release pent up frustrations. But by this I do not mean being abusive back in return. No, I mean by playing a fun stress releasing game.

So, where possible, the next time someone shouts at you for doing something they think is wrong, but fails to be polite and/or constructive about it, simply say ‘Thanks for the advise bud, I will do that from now on.’ then proceed to follow them around and do the complete opposite. And every time they say something to you, reply to it as if they are saying the complete opposite.

If you are unable to action your response, sometimes simply intentionally interpreting the opposite of what they are saying can be entertaining enough. Or you could add extra rules to the game, such as seeing how many times you can make them say a specific word before they give up.

This will not work on all of them of course, but you will have a lot of fun doing it anyway. But if you do not have the time, or cannot be bothered, just don’t bother replying to them and have a chuckle to yourself at their expense. I always find it funny when people try to make out they are intelligent by failing to construct polite (or at least non-abusive) feedback.

How I look at it is: Unpolite and unconstructive ‘advise’ (used in the losest sense of the word) should be rewarding to the reciever only, while polite and constructive advise should be rewarding to both parties. So try to turn abusive rants around and make them as entertaining as possible, because they really shouldn’t be dignified by taking them seriously.

Solo Que will always be a joke, that’s all there is to it. It’s just a way to meet decent people or vent out frustration that’s all what it was even from LoL times.

That’s why I don’t do solo ques anymore and playing better games such as Hearthstone.

I’ve lost my temper and talked more than a little kitten from time to time.

Still, sport implies sportsmanship. If the goal is really Esports, the players will need to act like competitors/professionals as opposed to a street gang mentality.

I’ve been making a point of bowing before matches, hoping to influence the match toward a formal dueling style.

The game would be better if there were at least informal rules of etiquette.

ArrDee.2573:

lol all these “QQ people are mean” threads! How long have you been on the internet!

• Get thicker skin! There is no internet police!
• Raging players are hilarious! Stop taking everything so seriously!
• There is a block function!
• It’s PvP! In a competitive (lol) scenario, there’s always going to be bm!
• http://www.twitter.com/gw2drama

Wahoo! Bye frands!

PS Also blame Anet for having just THE WORST matchmaking in the history of games with matchmaking! If they’re going to put beginners and veterans on the same team… No vet wants to play with/against beginners and vice versa! Also blame Anet for not trying to get new players to play their game! One of the reasons why matchmaking is so bad is because of the lack of players!

• This is a pastime, a game, a place to compete but also make friends, and the toxicity that is rampant just makes it impossible to enjoy sometimes, win or lose.
• See above point, its about having fun, NOT being serious.
• I’d rather populate my contacts, rather than my ignores, and maybe have some friendly banter with my teammates or foes before each match, which the blocking function hinders.
• That isn’t a valid excuse for personal attacks on other players. It is just a weak way to justify this lowest common denominator form of despicable behavior.

PS: Yes, the matchmaking is frustrating, but raging at new players isn’t going to encourage them to get better and increase the PvP community population. Making reasoned posts like OP’s is a much better option, IMO.

Make the bad people stop yelling at me it’s not my fAult everytime I q up I have to play abjured everytime ohhh woeee is meeee woeeee is meee

Rin.1046:

Jade, I can understand why this would upset/annoy you, it does me too from time to time. But I have my own way of dealing it. Where possible, when someone shouts some unconstructive rant at me, I use the opportunity to annoy them. We all need to let off steam from time to time and these ‘people’ are ideal candidates to annoy, in an effort to release pent up frustrations. But by this I do not mean being abusive back in return. No, I mean by playing a fun stress releasing game.

So, where possible, the next time someone shouts at you for doing something they think is wrong, but fails to be polite and/or constructive about it, simply say ‘Thanks for the advise bud, I will do that from now on.’ then proceed to follow them around and do the complete opposite. And every time they say something to you, reply to it as if they are saying the complete opposite.

If you are unable to action your response, sometimes simply intentionally interpreting the opposite of what they are saying can be entertaining enough. Or you could add extra rules to the game, such as seeing how many times you can make them say a specific word before they give up.

This will not work on all of them of course, but you will have a lot of fun doing it anyway. But if you do not have the time, or cannot be bothered, just don’t bother replying to them and have a chuckle to yourself at their expense. I always find it funny when people try to make out they are intelligent by failing to construct polite (or at least non-abusive) feedback.

How I look at it is: Unpolite and unconstructive ‘advise’ (used in the losest sense of the word) should be rewarding to the reciever only, while polite and constructive advise should be rewarding to both parties. So try to turn abusive rants around and make them as entertaining as possible, because they really shouldn’t be dignified by taking them seriously.

Sometimes I do as you say, but sometimes, well. It’s just talking to a wall. They just think that you shouldnt play at all because you made them lost. No explanations…just that.

If people wasnt shielded behind anonymity or they were penalized in some way, I’m sure that most of thoses player who shout destructive rants wouldnt dare to say a single a word to anyone.

Any way, there is one thing that shouldn’t never be forgotten: Respect

Rin.1046:

Jade, I can understand why this would upset/annoy you, it does me too from time to time. But I have my own way of dealing it. Where possible, when someone shouts some unconstructive rant at me, I use the opportunity to annoy them. We all need to let off steam from time to time and these ‘people’ are ideal candidates to annoy, in an effort to release pent up frustrations. But by this I do not mean being abusive back in return. No, I mean by playing a fun stress releasing game.

So, where possible, the next time someone shouts at you for doing something they think is wrong, but fails to be polite and/or constructive about it, simply say ‘Thanks for the advise bud, I will do that from now on.’ then proceed to follow them around and do the complete opposite. And every time they say something to you, reply to it as if they are saying the complete opposite.

If you are unable to action your response, sometimes simply intentionally interpreting the opposite of what they are saying can be entertaining enough. Or you could add extra rules to the game, such as seeing how many times you can make them say a specific word before they give up.

This will not work on all of them of course, but you will have a lot of fun doing it anyway. But if you do not have the time, or cannot be bothered, just don’t bother replying to them and have a chuckle to yourself at their expense. I always find it funny when people try to make out they are intelligent by failing to construct polite (or at least non-abusive) feedback.

How I look at it is: Unpolite and unconstructive ‘advise’ (used in the losest sense of the word) should be rewarding to the reciever only, while polite and constructive advise should be rewarding to both parties. So try to turn abusive rants around and make them as entertaining as possible, because they really shouldn’t be dignified by taking them seriously.

Let me get this straight. Your way of dealing with it is by doing something way worse as intentionally ruining the match for four other people to feel better about annoying one guy that didn’t sit well with you?

Blackwyn.8127:

Let me get this straight. Your way of dealing with it is by doing something way worse as intentionally ruining the match for four other people to feel better about annoying one guy that didn’t sit well with you?

I tell you what I do, Blackwyn. I use that thing many people elect to waste. I use my brain to decide if my actions will negatively effect others before I do them. If my self entertaining actions will negatively effect those who have done me no wrong, I will not do them and will find some other way to entertain myself (where possible).

It’s not rocket science.

Rin.1046:

Blackwyn.8127:

Let me get this straight. Your way of dealing with it is by doing something way worse as intentionally ruining the match for four other people to feel better about annoying one guy that didn’t sit well with you?

I tell you what I do, Blackwyn. I use that thing many people elect to waste. I use my brain to decide if my actions will negatively effect others before I do them. If my self entertaining actions will negatively effect those who have done me no wrong, I will not do them and will find some other way to entertain myself (where possible).

It’s not rocket science.

That’s very subjective and impossible to know if your decision will impact the game or not. I’ve had games where it has felt like an entirely lost case and then had a weird comeback where we come from being under 200+ points.

There are more simple ways of dealing with the issue rather than being more toxic than the player that didn’t sit well with you. Block them and move on or listen to their advice if it’s actual good advice. Sometimes in the heat of things, players ain’t the best of ‘expressing themselves’ in a nice constructive way you’d expect and it could be mixed with a hostile tone.

But by advising others to troll said players, you’re not making the situation any better, but only worse and making it a far worse toxic environment.

Blackwyn.8127:

Rin.1046:

Blackwyn.8127:

Let me get this straight. Your way of dealing with it is by doing something way worse as intentionally ruining the match for four other people to feel better about annoying one guy that didn’t sit well with you?

I tell you what I do, Blackwyn. I use that thing many people elect to waste. I use my brain to decide if my actions will negatively effect others before I do them. If my self entertaining actions will negatively effect those who have done me no wrong, I will not do them and will find some other way to entertain myself (where possible).

It’s not rocket science.

That’s very subjective and impossible to know if your decision will impact the game or not. I’ve had games where it has felt like an entirely lost case and then had a weird comeback where we come from being under 200+ points.

There are more simple ways of dealing with the issue rather than being more toxic than the player that didn’t sit well with you. Block them and move on or listen to their advice if it’s actual good advice. Sometimes in the heat of things, players ain’t the best of ‘expressing themselves’ in a nice constructive way you’d expect and it could be mixed with a hostile tone.

But by advising others to troll said players, you’re not making the situation any better, but only worse and making it a far worse toxic environment.

No Rin is right here .
If that person is a toal prick , you simply tell him ‘’ ok i will follow your lead here cause i am noob’’ and then block him .

Either that player will be fix his personality or the other 3 will shamtalk him to stop spouting nonsense and protect the new player

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Blackwyn.8127:

Rin.1046:

Blackwyn.8127:

Let me get this straight. Your way of dealing with it is by doing something way worse as intentionally ruining the match for four other people to feel better about annoying one guy that didn’t sit well with you?

I tell you what I do, Blackwyn. I use that thing many people elect to waste. I use my brain to decide if my actions will negatively effect others before I do them. If my self entertaining actions will negatively effect those who have done me no wrong, I will not do them and will find some other way to entertain myself (where possible).

It’s not rocket science.

That’s very subjective and impossible to know if your decision will impact the game or not. I’ve had games where it has felt like an entirely lost case and then had a weird comeback where we come from being under 200+ points.

There are more simple ways of dealing with the issue rather than being more toxic than the player that didn’t sit well with you. Block them and move on or listen to their advice if it’s actual good advice. Sometimes in the heat of things, players ain’t the best of ‘expressing themselves’ in a nice constructive way you’d expect and it could be mixed with a hostile tone.

But by advising others to troll said players, you’re not making the situation any better, but only worse and making it a far worse toxic environment.

No Rin is right here .
If that person is a toal prick , you simply tell him ‘’ ok i will follow your lead here cause i am noob’’ and then block him .

Either that player will be fix his personality or the other 3 will shamtalk him to stop spouting nonsense and protect the new player

Making a problem worse than it has to be is not being “right”. As much as you think it will do the game good to further anger a person by trolling them, we already have proper people to pass judgements. Block, report and move on. Or filter out their hostile text and follow the advice if it’s legit advice.

If someone you don’t even know on a game on the Internet can kittened off or frustrate you so much maybe online gaming shouldn’t be your thing.

Too much whining. “Rudeness” cannot be policed or enforced without completely removing chat from the game, is that what you want? They don’t like the way you play, and you don’t like they way they talk. Too bad. If you want to teach people manners go volunteer to work with orphans or something.

I hear Hello Kitty Island Adventures is on sale.

Blackwyn.8127:

Making a problem worse than it has to be is not being “right”. As much as you think it will do the game good to further anger a person by trolling them, we already have proper people to pass judgements. Block, report and move on. Or filter out their hostile text and follow the advice if it’s legit advice.

My 10 years expiriance as healers , is to be a wonderfull silenced cudly kitty to those whos respect you
and to be one of the biggest trolls , that will ’’smite’’ any ‘’hurp-durp DPSer’’ that stands in my path , or try to mess with my job

The PvP side doesnt need to be cudly and fuzzy , but rather a place where even trolls will beg for a ‘’anti-hostile mechanic ’’ , or ‘’forcefully they will grow up’’

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Blackwyn.8127:

Making a problem worse than it has to be is not being “right”. As much as you think it will do the game good to further anger a person by trolling them, we already have proper people to pass judgements. Block, report and move on. Or filter out their hostile text and follow the advice if it’s legit advice.

My 10 years expiriance as healers , is to be a wonderfull cudly kitty to those whos respect you
and to be one of the biggest trolls , that will ’’smite’’ any ‘’hurp-durp DPSer’’ that stands in my path , or try to mess with my job

The PvP side doesnt need to be cudly and fuzzy , but rather a place where even trolls will beg for a ‘’anti-hostile mechanic ’’ , or ‘’forcefully they will grow up’’

I’m sorry, but I didn’t understand anything of what you just wrote.

Ah sorry :P

fight Fire with Fire
In 1-3 months those ‘’immature ppl’’ will be ‘forcefully grow up’’ and stop behaving that way :P

Well, If me and my team of pugs happen to be against a premade team in a subsequent and very clear blowout match, and let’s say we are getting farmed, horribly, worsening mine and my team mate’s experience with the game, shall we continue struggling against such foes, or should I (or we) just sit down and let the game finish quickly? Is that ‘poisonous’ too?

Khenzy.9348:

Well, If me and my team of pugs happen to be against a premade team in a subsequent and very clear blowout match, and let’s say we are getting farmed, horribly, worsening mine and my team mate’s experience with the game, shall we continue struggling against such foes, or should I (or we) just sit down and let the game finish quickly? Is that ‘poisonous’ too?

By all means, yes, that’s toxic behaviour too. Remember It’s not the same losing 200-500 than 50-500. That’s reflected on the leaderboards in the end according to the Devs.
Surrending for free would also be very uncompetitive from you…if you join a game, play the game!
What would you think if football players sit down on the grass while letting the other team win the match? Well, it’s same principle. If you can’t win, then fight for the best score.

Also think that even if you give up, you teamate may not, and they will need you on the field.

Khenzy.9348:

Well, If me and my team of pugs happen to be against a premade team in a subsequent and very clear blowout match, and let’s say we are getting farmed, horribly, worsening mine and my team mate’s experience with the game, shall we continue struggling against such foes, or should I (or we) just sit down and let the game finish quickly? Is that ‘poisonous’ too?

Wouldn’t it be more of a learning experience helping you to “get good son” if you ar least attempted to continue? The answer to that question is yes it would. So the answer to your question is yes that is ‘poisonous’. It’s along the same lines of an older brother and a younger brother playing basketball together the older one is winning because he is more experienced and taller so the younger one can either quit like a little whiny brat or he can try hard, enjoy the game for what it is (a game….) The younger brother that tried is going to have more fun sooner than the one that just quit.

Also you could just be another person who assumes everytime they are getting spanked its because the other team is a premade on the abjureds level using voice comms and an OP comp…..

Jade Arkadian.9280:

And do you really that will do any good? The answer is obviously No. You will be likely kittened back, blocked and/or even reported for insults if you really offended someone, and being reported again just to double check. Of course, nothing will change for you and the other player.

You can’t say that it won’t do any good, when criticism is a great motivational tool for improvement.

Copestetic.5174:

Jade Arkadian.9280:

And do you really that will do any good? The answer is obviously No. You will be likely kittened back, blocked and/or even reported for insults if you really offended someone, and being reported again just to double check. Of course, nothing will change for you and the other player.

You can’t say that it won’t do any good, when criticism is a great motivational tool for improvement.

That’s only true for constructive criticism.
Allow me to tell you that saying things like “OMG! Noob team! Please kill our lord!”, “Go back to PvE”, “Our mesmer is a noob” followed by some rants of your choice is far away from being constructive.
I hope you were not thinking about theses as “motivational tools” since they look pretty much insults to me.

To quote one of my old posts:

Rangelost.4857:

I honestly wouldn’t mind if the toxic community was limited to Heart of the Mists. Unfortunately (but consequently), you often get to deal with them at all time during PvP matches.

Someone throws themselves against 4 enemy players and gets downed instantly. Team chat becomes filled with caps since you went to capture a point instead of trying to revive them (and now they’re AFK at base to type angrily).

You fight someone for a good minute, and then your ally finally manages to come and help you. From the moment your opponent dies, you get whispered insults of all colors based on how PvP is supposedly not meant to be about teamwork, and how your life has no value.

You notify someone that being AFK is not an optimal strategy. The answer is nothing short of blame, and questioning your skills as a player, as a human being and as a sentient life form.

The worst I’ve encountered so far was a team of 4 players (in the same guild) who were not only losing on purpose from the very start, but insulting the 5th player on their team restlessly for trying to actually make some points.

I think it’s high time the April 2014 Feature Pack is revised.

Ever since PvP rewards were replaced with PvE rewards, players have been trying to abuse the PvP system to get items with the least amount of effort humanly possible. Now that most players prefer to win over having a good match, it isn’t fun for anyone.

Furthermore, megaservers prevent any sense of community from developing. Since the algorithm is and has been broken from the very start, players are shoved on map copies at absolute random. This allows people who believe in having a sense of anonymity on the Internet to project their lack of self esteem onto others and create an overall deplorable atmosphere.

The solution is extremely simple, but I’m afraid ArenaNet has been going in the exact opposite direction for the last year.

In the meantime, the best you can do is not respond to these players, and block them immediately. I encounter toxic PvP players on a daily basis, and I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve gotten angry whispers from killing someone who had a little too much pride (yet no dignity, apparently).

There’s absolutely nothing you can do about the players themselves. They were raised to be contemptible, and will raise their children the same way.

Rangelost.4857:

To quote one of my old posts:

Rangelost.4857:

I honestly wouldn’t mind if the toxic community was limited to Heart of the Mists. Unfortunately (but consequently), you often get to deal with them at all time during PvP matches.

Someone throws themselves against 4 enemy players and gets downed instantly. Team chat becomes filled with caps since you went to capture a point instead of trying to revive them (and now they’re AFK at base to type angrily).

You fight someone for a good minute, and then your ally finally manages to come and help you. From the moment your opponent dies, you get whispered insults of all colors based on how PvP is supposedly not meant to be about teamwork, and how your life has no value.

You notify someone that being AFK is not an optimal strategy. The answer is nothing short of blame, and questioning your skills as a player, as a human being and as a sentient life form.

The worst I’ve encountered so far was a team of 4 players (in the same guild) who were not only losing on purpose from the very start, but insulting the 5th player on their team restlessly for trying to actually make some points.

I think it’s high time the April 2014 Feature Pack is revised.

Ever since PvP rewards were replaced with PvE rewards, players have been trying to abuse the PvP system to get items with the least amount of effort humanly possible. Now that most players prefer to win over having a good match, it isn’t fun for anyone.

Furthermore, megaservers prevent any sense of community from developing. Since the algorithm is and has been broken from the very start, players are shoved on map copies at absolute random. This allows people who believe in having a sense of anonymity on the Internet to project their lack of self esteem onto others and create an overall deplorable atmosphere.

The solution is extremely simple, but I’m afraid ArenaNet has been going in the exact opposite direction for the last year.

In the meantime, the best you can do is not respond to these players, and block them immediately. I encounter toxic PvP players on a daily basis, and I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve gotten angry whispers from killing someone who had a little too much pride (yet no dignity, apparently).

There’s absolutely nothing you can do about the players themselves. They were raised to be contemptible, and will raise their children the same way.

I knew it since I started typing my first post in this thread: It’s a lost cause but well, I had to share somehow my concern.
I know that some people, well, just won’t change their minds…but well..as you point out, that’s their problem in the end

I believe that Devs do care about a healthy, fun and competitive PvP environment as they are still working on the matchmaking and the dishonor. Also it is worth to mention that they have removed players rank from the score screen to prevent harassing on newbies.

I’ve been in discussions about this in Heart of the Mists a few times. Once I was blamed for losing a match, just because I was a ranger, and it was the day of Daily Ranger Win – even though I play only Ranger every day in Unranked match.

I was told in Heart of the Mists “You have to have a thick skin in PvP. If you can’t handle a bit of flaming in PvP then you shouldn’t be playing PvP”

My reply was “No – if people can’t lose a PvP match without being verbally abusive to other players, it is them who shouldn’t be playing PvP, not me”

If people have to go AFK, saying stuff like “You deserve that I go AFK” it is actually them being the ‘noob’ or a ‘scrub’ or whatever word they like to use that’s fashionable at the moment, and they are just trying to shift the blame away from them.

Edit: To include the smile at the end.

My enjoyment of the game has totally been ruined by toxic players that send insults after insults at me over the interwebs over a vidya game. Anet should totally ban all these immature toxic players, so that I can continue playing GW2 in a family friendly setting, so that all my matches are full of nice carebears.

penelopehannibal.8947:

I’ve been in discussions about this in Heart of the Mists a few times. Once I was blamed for losing a match, just because I was a ranger, and it was the day of Daily Ranger Win – even though I play only Ranger every day in Unranked match.

I was told in Heart of the Mists “You have to have a thick skin in PvP. If you can’t handle a bit of flaming in PvP then you shouldn’t be playing PvP”

My reply was “No – if people can’t lose a PvP match without being verbally abusive to other players, it is them who shouldn’t be playing PvP, not me”

If people have to go AFK, saying stuff like “You deserve that I go AFK” it is actually them being the ‘noob’ or a ‘scrub’ or whatever word they like to use that’s fashionable at the moment, and they are just trying to shift the blame away from them.

Edit: To include the smile at the end.

Wow. I know you think you are being the bigger man or something here but you come off as worse than the flamers here. There are such thing as bad players, as well as bad attitudes.

You do need thick skin if you want to pvp and that goes for ANY game not just gw2. You can say "no no no we should all get along and hold hands and play sing a longs or whatever but you can’t control that, what you can control is how you react to the flamers.

tsawr.7905:

My enjoyment of the game has totally been ruined by toxic players that send insults after insults at me over the interwebs over a vidya game. Anet should totally ban all these immature toxic players, so that I can continue playing GW2 in a family friendly setting, so that all my matches are full of nice carebears.

Can’t tell if sarcasm or not as you put the word ‘carebears’ at the end! :p

But I’ll write and assume it’s not – you used good words there when you said ‘family friendly setting’ – players must remember this is a certified 12+ game, and not an 18+ or a 15+ game.

Often people say “turn the chat filter on” but the chat filter is not there to excuse foul language and verbal abuse. No excuse for verbal abuse, whether it’s in PvE, Dungeons, Guild Chat, Party Chat, Whisper, WvW, PvP or Costume Brawl or Quaggan Racing!

tsawr.7905:

My enjoyment of the game has totally been ruined by toxic players that send insults after insults at me over the interwebs over a vidya game. Anet should totally ban all these immature toxic players, so that I can continue playing GW2 in a family friendly setting, so that all my matches are full of nice carebears.

This guy gets it lol.

Doesn’t Matter if it was 40+ game….you would still have 8 year olds playing. Usually it is the young kids that start the kitt. They seem to think its funny to non stop troll and lead players into cussing them out. It’s a game and players will be toxic.

Seems like you are a late bloomer, so from us to you, “WELCOME TO THE INTERWEBZ!!!” (Horns blowing, red carpet comes flying out)
Drinks and cookies are half off and toxicity is free! Help yourself!

Edit: I felt the need to remind you that you can turn the chat completely off. No one is forcing you to read it.

imaclown.1628:

Wow. I know you think you are being the bigger man or something here but you come off as worse than the flamers here. There are such thing as bad players, as well as bad attitudes.

In all fairness, people who are unable to be socially decent shouldn’t be tolerated. At the end of the day, a game is meant to be fun. Between someone who sucks at the game, and a skilled player who intentionally loses to spite other people, I would gladly pick the newbie. At least they have a chance at becoming something more than a tool.

Rangelost.4857:

imaclown.1628:

Wow. I know you think you are being the bigger man or something here but you come off as worse than the flamers here. There are such thing as bad players, as well as bad attitudes.

In all fairness, people who are unable to be socially decent shouldn’t be tolerated. At the end of the day, a game is meant to be fun. Between someone who sucks at the game, and a skilled player who intentionally loses to spite other people, I would gladly pick the newbie. At least they have a chance at becoming something more than a tool.

I’m not saying I support the flamers, but I don’t support the people who can’t take it either, to me they are both just as bad.

I wouldn’t want either on my team.

Mates, this is all perspective.

On Flamers
There is no reason to defend flamers. Flamers are simply small minded people who use the perceived anonymity of the internet to be verbally abusive. I have witnessed people engage in verbal bullying, racial slurs, and ridiculously nasty behavior on GW2. Nobody “deserves” that type of treatment, no matter how badly or inattentively they play a game. This is not a debate, this is a fact. If you disagree with me here, it is because you lack perspective. Get some perspective or quit playing this game. As for the rage quitters and rage AFKers? The Dishonor system will deal with them when it is finished.

On Sensitives
Mates, no matter what you do there is no way to get rid of all verbally abusive people. It is a symptom of: the perceived anonymity of the Internet, a general world-wide lack of moral education, and childishness of alpha-nerds. But that crap cannot be totally removed. ArenaNet has a Report function for dealing with people who are legitimately abusive. Use it. They actually do take reports seriously, just look at all the angry whiners on the forums who are whining about being banned. Boohoo.

But there is a second part of this, too. Don’t let someone else ruin your game. Your attitude is your own, not theirs. If they scream at you, imagine their mother yelling down at them “Johny, are you playing that devil-game again? Quit-yer whining or I’ll come down there and take it away again.” It’s probably a more accurate reflection of their existence than they will ever admit. Then shrug and still be polite to the people around you.

Conclusion
In the words of Dean Winchester, “Don’t be a duche.” And when other people are, report them if it is bad enough and otherwise, shrug your shoulders. Their temper tantrum is certainly not worth ruining your game time over.

Jack Angelfoot.2697:

Mates, this is all perspective.

On Flamers
There is no reason to defend flamers. Flamers are simply small minded people who use the perceived anonymity of the internet to be verbally abusive. I have witnessed people engage in verbal bullying, racial slurs, and ridiculously nasty behavior on GW2. Nobody “deserves” that type of treatment, no matter how badly or inattentively they play a game. This is not a debate, this is a fact. If you disagree with me here, it is because you lack perspective. Get some perspective or quit playing this game. As for the rage quitters and rage AFKers? The Dishonor system will deal with them when it is finished.

On Sensitives
Mates, no matter what you do there is no way to get rid of all verbally abusive people. It is a symptom of: the perceived anonymity of the Internet, a general world-wide lack of moral education, and childishness of alpha-nerds. But that crap cannot be totally removed. ArenaNet has a Report function for dealing with people who are legitimately abusive. Use it. They actually do take reports seriously, just look at all the angry whiners on the forums who are whining about being banned. Boohoo.

But there is a second part of this, too. Don’t let someone else ruin your game. Your attitude is your own, not theirs. If they scream at you, imagine their mother yelling down at them “Johny, are you playing that devil-game again? Quit-yer whining or I’ll come down there and take it away again.” It’s probably a more accurate reflection of their existence than they will ever admit. Then shrug and still be polite to the people around you.

Conclusion
In the words of Dean Winchester, “Don’t be a duche.” And when other people are, report them if it is bad enough and otherwise, shrug your shoulders. Their temper tantrum is certainly not worth ruining your game time over.

This guy also seems to get it.

Jack Angelfoot.2697:

Mates, this is all perspective.

On Flamers
There is no reason to defend flamers. Flamers are simply small minded people who use the perceived anonymity of the internet to be verbally abusive. I have witnessed people engage in verbal bullying, racial slurs, and ridiculously nasty behavior on GW2. Nobody “deserves” that type of treatment, no matter how badly or inattentively they play a game. This is not a debate, this is a fact. If you disagree with me here, it is because you lack perspective. Get some perspective or quit playing this game. As for the rage quitters and rage AFKers? The Dishonor system will deal with them when it is finished.

On Sensitives
Mates, no matter what you do there is no way to get rid of all verbally abusive people. It is a symptom of: the perceived anonymity of the Internet, a general world-wide lack of moral education, and childishness of alpha-nerds. But that crap cannot be totally removed. ArenaNet has a Report function for dealing with people who are legitimately abusive. Use it. They actually do take reports seriously, just look at all the angry whiners on the forums who are whining about being banned. Boohoo.

But there is a second part of this, too. Don’t let someone else ruin your game. Your attitude is your own, not theirs. If they scream at you, imagine their mother yelling down at them “Johny, are you playing that devil-game again? Quit-yer whining or I’ll come down there and take it away again.” It’s probably a more accurate reflection of their existence than they will ever admit. Then shrug and still be polite to the people around you.

Conclusion
In the words of Dean Winchester, “Don’t be a duche.” And when other people are, report them if it is bad enough and otherwise, shrug your shoulders. Their temper tantrum is certainly not worth ruining your game time over.

<3

I’ve never responded to trash-talk, ever, but oh boy, the lethally witty comebacks I can come up with 24 hours later! And yes, I do always picture those people as sad young kids with crappy home lives.