Guild Wars 2

Please tell me game where not buying an expansion DIDN’T put you at a disadvantage.

Hello this IS A MMORPG, EVERY MMORPG has ALWAYS required you to get the expansion to stay relevant.

Pay2Win is when you can get a statistical advantage over someone very quickly with $$$

Pay2Win has almost never been attached to expansions because normally expansions have a level cap. You should treat HoT just like an expansion with a level cap because of masteries and such. There is literally no reason you should scream P2W because there’s not a SINGLE MMORPG ALIVE where you can stay relevant if you don’t buy the expansion.

Stop complaining that “I have to buy HOT to be relevant”. Do you think in any other MMO you could NOT buy the expansion and still be relevant? Nope.

Infact in most other MMOs it increases the level cap.

I dont remember when the average MMORPG gamer became so whiny.
I mean the expansion is like 30$ for this game on DLGamer, super cheap.

You want a P2W game? Go play never-winter or arch age.

I mean i see people complaining that this game is dead, do you honestly think if a MMO doesn’t have WoW levels of population it’s dead? I gurantee you that GW2, FF 14, and Blade & Soul are the TOP 3 most played MMORPG’s right now that aren’t WoW

You should post this in the pve section where it belongs, spvp was meant to be a level playing field not a p2w spam fest.

Yasha.5963:

You should post this in the pve section where it belongs, spvp was meant to be a level playing field not a p2w spam fest.

The PvE section normally doesn’t complain too much about P2W other than raids, just the PvP section. It is a level playing field, if you buy the expansion, like you should with every MMO if you wish to continue playing it competitively like it has been since the dawn of MMO’s

Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…

Kirk.3086:

Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…

As I said, there is no MMORPG in existence that allows people to still be competitive unless they buy an expansion.

Please tell me how I can be competitive in WoW without buying legion.
Is that P2W? Nope.

I bought HoT, yet still lose matches so no its not pay to win.. :P

Balthalzar.6243:

Kirk.3086:

Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…

As I said, there is no MMORPG in existence that allows people to still be competitive unless they buy an expansion.

Please tell me how I can be competitive in WoW without buying legion.
Is that P2W? Nope.

So you paid administration to being stronger than others, who don’t pay or don’t buy HoT?=)
IF Tomorrow will be next buying annonce, so if i don’t buy this, i can’t compete?

Same “pay to win” as Factions… and then Nightfall. Its no different. (I can still hear the cries about Assassin and Dervish and Rit and, for little while, Paragon) New classes. New skills. New power levels because things are in massive need of balancing. It’ll get ironed out eventually. It might take a couple of years though….

Kirk.3086:

Balthalzar.6243:

Kirk.3086:

Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…

As I said, there is no MMORPG in existence that allows people to still be competitive unless they buy an expansion.

Please tell me how I can be competitive in WoW without buying legion.
Is that P2W? Nope.

So you paid administration to being stronger than others, who don’t pay or don’t buy HoT?=)
IF Tomorrow will be next buying annonce, so if i don’t buy this, i can’t compete?

Give me any MMO where after the xpac you’re on a level playing field. WoW, FFXIV, FFXI, GW, EQ, and Rift all had the same model.

Lixion.8457:

Kirk.3086:

Balthalzar.6243:

Kirk.3086:

Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…

As I said, there is no MMORPG in existence that allows people to still be competitive unless they buy an expansion.

Please tell me how I can be competitive in WoW without buying legion.
Is that P2W? Nope.

So you paid administration to being stronger than others, who don’t pay or don’t buy HoT?=)
IF Tomorrow will be next buying annonce, so if i don’t buy this, i can’t compete?

Give me any MMO where after the xpac your on a level playing field. WoW, FFXIV, FFXI, GW, EQ, and Rift all had the same model.

None of those mmos are set up to be level playing field pvp games, that was one of the main attractions of GW2. Until HoT there was no way to pay money to gain any advantage in spvp, now there is.

We bought HoT for rev and herald, if talking about pvp.
But, once again, no one got elite specialisations for basic professions.
At the end: rev is uncompleted trash (ventari, demon is useless, demon much bugged and has not good concept, shiro ok, herald op, weak weapon dmg, energy with cd). what weaker then other classes, basic professions with specialisation stronger then herald.
So, if anet would gave elite specialisations for free whom bought game, they will no lose anything!

is our goal MMORPG or eSports? You guys should select.
If mmo then p2w, if esports then no-pay2win.

This again?

Balthalzar.6243:

Please tell me game where not buying an expansion DIDN’T put you at a disadvantage.

Hello this IS A MMORPG, EVERY MMORPG has ALWAYS required you to get the expansion to stay relevant.

Pay2Win is when you can get a statistical advantage over someone very quickly with $$$

Pay2Win has almost never been attached to expansions because normally expansions have a level cap. You should treat HoT just like an expansion with a level cap because of masteries and such. There is literally no reason you should scream P2W because there’s not a SINGLE MMORPG ALIVE where you can stay relevant if you don’t buy the expansion.

Stop complaining that “I have to buy HOT to be relevant”. Do you think in any other MMO you could NOT buy the expansion and still be relevant? Nope.

Infact in most other MMOs it increases the level cap.

I dont remember when the average MMORPG gamer became so whiny.
I mean the expansion is like 30$ for this game on DLGamer, super cheap.

You want a P2W game? Go play never-winter or arch age.

I mean i see people complaining that this game is dead, do you honestly think if a MMO doesn’t have WoW levels of population it’s dead? I gurantee you that GW2, FF 14, and Blade & Soul are the TOP 3 most played MMORPG’s right now that aren’t WoW

Exactly.

It could be as follows.

If you have the expansion, your lvl cap in pvp goes to 85.
If you dont have the expansion, it stays at lvl 80.
On lvl 85 we could have received new spells and balance focus could be only at 85.

This would be normal. Happens at more or less any descent mmorpg.
Obvioulsy it is not pay to win this way right?

However arenanet is so kind, to not increase the lvl cap, so that you can play at max lvl, without the expansion.

This would make it clear to people without the expansion, that its not pay to win.
They just have been so kind to you, that you can play at max lvl without the expansion, which can give a misleading image, that HoT is pay to win, which it isnt.

The game before HoT, has just turned into a really really big trial, with it having been made free to download and no montly fee exists either.

HoT is buy to play.
Not pay to win.

Balthalzar.6243:

As I said, there is no MMORPG in existence that allows people to still be competitive unless they buy an expansion.

GW2 was supposed to be different. In fact, even shortly before HoT launch, devs were still saying that elite specializations and revenant are meant to be on the same field as the core ones.

GW2 sPvP is based around equal chances and level playing field. HoT goes agains that idea.

Astralporing.1957:

GW2 sPvP is based around equal chances and level playing field. HoT goes agains that idea.

GW1 was as well. Didn’t change the fact that the new classes and skills added in both Factions and Nightfall where “over powered.” And the new classes remained that way for quite some time. Because they were selling points.

The elite specs and Rev are no different. They incentivize players to “upgrade” and after a time, they will be curbed and brought back in line to the ‘side grades’ they were intended to be.

who gives a hoot everybody i see in pvp plays elite spec so it looks like most people bought it. Its not like premade teams with expansion pack are climbing the ladder stomping 5 people on f2p accoutns

Yeah, waiting 3 years yet to play turret engineer.
Still waiting…

It is p2w in a competitive PvP wise manner, anet is marketing this game as competitive and esports potential so it is p2w in my opinion, it would be much different if they just market the PvP of this game as typical fun pug PvP hang with friends type of thing just like other mmos but they don’t, so by definition it becomes p2w due to how they lie to the community, most MMOs are not p2w after buying an expansion because they don’t hype PvP like this kitten game does.

tico.9814:

It is p2w in a competitive PvP wise manner, anet is marketing this game as competitive and esports potential so it is p2w in my opinion, it would be much different if they just market the PvP of this game as typical fun pug PvP hang with friends type of thing just like other mmos but they don’t, so by definition it becomes p2w due to how they lie to the community, most MMOs are not p2w after buying an expansion because they don’t hype PvP like this kitten game does.

LoL Pay 2 Win?
Cause if you believe LoL is not Pay 2 Win then plz stop the hypocrasy
or proof me where my analogie is wrong

MrTree.4890:

tico.9814:

It is p2w in a competitive PvP wise manner, anet is marketing this game as competitive and esports potential so it is p2w in my opinion, it would be much different if they just market the PvP of this game as typical fun pug PvP hang with friends type of thing just like other mmos but they don’t, so by definition it becomes p2w due to how they lie to the community, most MMOs are not p2w after buying an expansion because they don’t hype PvP like this kitten game does.

LoL Pay 2 Win?
Cause if you believe LoL is not Pay 2 Win then plz stop the hypocrasy
or proof me where my analogie is wrong

Where do I mention LoL? What I’m saying is that this game is p2w because of how they market the PvP a competitive and esports potential but at the end they give players who buy the expansion an advantage, the elite specializations are unfair for non HoT players who only play the game for spvp and believe in the esports hype from anet.

Balthalzar.6243:

Please tell me game where not buying an expansion DIDN’T put you at a disadvantage.

Hello this IS A MMORPG, EVERY MMORPG has ALWAYS required you to get the expansion to stay relevant.

Pay2Win is when you can get a statistical advantage over someone very quickly with $$$

Pay2Win has almost never been attached to expansions because normally expansions have a level cap. You should treat HoT just like an expansion with a level cap because of masteries and such. There is literally no reason you should scream P2W because there’s not a SINGLE MMORPG ALIVE where you can stay relevant if you don’t buy the expansion.

Stop complaining that “I have to buy HOT to be relevant”. Do you think in any other MMO you could NOT buy the expansion and still be relevant? Nope.

Infact in most other MMOs it increases the level cap.

I dont remember when the average MMORPG gamer became so whiny.
I mean the expansion is like 30$ for this game on DLGamer, super cheap.

You want a P2W game? Go play never-winter or arch age.

I mean i see people complaining that this game is dead, do you honestly think if a MMO doesn’t have WoW levels of population it’s dead? I gurantee you that GW2, FF 14, and Blade & Soul are the TOP 3 most played MMORPG’s right now that aren’t WoW

Solid reasoning, ANet please add Celestial gear in the cash shop. Please add +2000 permanent stat points in the cash shop. Meanwhile, add a instant one-shot skill so I can have an advantage. I will fork over $1000.

Balthalzar.6243:

Kirk.3086:

Just say that people, who bought GW2 and don’t buy HoT doesn’t get theirs elite specialisations for standard classes.
So, yeah, there are really p2w for them, cos pvp closed for them…

As I said, there is no MMORPG in existence that allows people to still be competitive unless they buy an expansion.

Please tell me how I can be competitive in WoW without buying legion.
Is that P2W? Nope.

Dark Soul 2 you can be competitive without the DLC.

BnS seems to be pretty fair, capping arenas at a certain level.

Planetside 2 is a mmo with many cash shop options and yet F2P can eventually get the same upgrades.

Team Fortress 2

Chivalry

So Pay To Win is really gross, Just because you play horrible hamster wheel entitlement games in the past doesn’t make GW2 some rare gem. Don’t get me wrong it has awesome mechanics, but it does indeed have a P2W model. So people are mmorpg vets. I feel bad for you but just because many mmorpg companies have implemented p2w in a “cash shop” doesn’t mean that a “cash shop” is the only way p2w manifests itself.

Pay 2 Win = Any time an existing game offers an Item, Class, Profession, Ability, Buff that can only be bought with real money, gives a clear advantage, and is able to be used with the rest of the community that is still only using the core game or less bought content.

Just going to copy-paste this to every thread like this.

So being locked out of entire trait lines AND WEAPONS (you forgot the part where elites also give you access to, in some cases, stronger weapons for that class) isn’t pay to win.

Sound logic there, OP.

You may not have to pay hundreds of dollars, but paying for advantage is paying for advantage. No way to try and justify it in any other way.

If this is going to be these ignorant whiners way of defining pay 2 win then by their own stupid definition EVERY mmo with an expansion is a pay to win game

Meaning that guild wars 1 was pay to win because factions, nightfall, and eye of the north all added new classes/abilities that you had to pay for the game to get. So if thats the case you should have expected this game to be “pay 2 win” because by that definition every game arena net has made is “pay 2 win” along with every other mmo company

What I am saying is that with EVERY MMORPG in existence. You need to buy the expansion to stay relevant in every MMORPG there is. GW2 Is no different.

also dark souls isnt a mmorpg.

blade and soul lets you enter arena at level 15, but you need to be max level and soon have hongmoon level 5 to compete on an equal level

planetside2 and tf2 are FPS Games..

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

OP since you brought up the issue, why do you need to redefine “pay 2 win”? You already answered it in the opening post that others state:
“I have to buy HOT to be relevant”
That statement is very true. You can participate, but you have to buy the expansion to remain relevant, because it is the new competitive standard.

Also OP, what is the issue with “pay 2 win” anyway? Regardless of its competitive potential, most games do require a significant investment in time or money or both to be able to reach a competitive level. So why are you exactly bothered by the phrase.

It’s a kittening mmo, just buy the freaking expansion like a normal human being and stop whining kitten .

SlayerSixx.5763:

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

The game is buy to play if you wan’t the full game you gotta buy it ,if you don’t want to fine but you cant cry when you have less options than the person who payed for the full game.

i don’t understand company trying to forcely starts esports tournament as the game’s current state is p2w. f2p user whoever watch that tournament will think the game is p2w already thus they consider either quit the game or pay HoT, but i think there will be more quitter than payer since they can simply change their main game to BnS or Tera or whatever, very easily since those games are f2p and not p2w.

It is just kittening natural logic.

foxcat.4096:

SlayerSixx.5763:

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

The game is buy to play if you wan’t the full game you gotta buy it ,if you don’t want to fine but you cant cry when you have less options than the person who payed for the full game.

The reasoning is solid. ANet should add +1000 permanent stat boost in the gemstore for PvP. If you don’t want it fine, but then you can’t cry when you have less option than the person who paid for the stat boost.

foxcat.4096:

SlayerSixx.5763:

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

The game is buy to play if you wan’t the full game you gotta buy it ,if you don’t want to fine but you cant cry when you have less options than the person who payed for the full game.

This is an expantion pack. As in an addition to the base game. As in not the base game. You would’ve had a point if it was an intrinsic part of the base game, but it isn’t.

Kirk.3086:

Yeah, waiting 3 years yet to play turret engineer.
Still waiting…

You missed your window, it was totally stupid at one point, leaving turrets to guard a node while bunkering another or setting up 2 at mid. Was just awful and the bugs involved were gross (making turrets unhittable spawning them in the air – blerg), didn’t reach the highest level of play but just butchered ranked.

They killed it and we’re glad its dead.

SlayerSixx.5763:

foxcat.4096:

SlayerSixx.5763:

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

The game is buy to play if you wan’t the full game you gotta buy it ,if you don’t want to fine but you cant cry when you have less options than the person who payed for the full game.

This is an expantion pack. As in an addition to the base game. As in not the base game. You would’ve had a point if it was an intrinsic part of the base game, but it isn’t.

Can you name me an MMO expansion pack that doesn’t expand the skill set or power level of those who get it?

I will say this, HoT and elite specs SHOULD provide a tangible performance increase over vanilla specs in PvE areas. You should feel that you are better for having spent the time to max out your Elite spec.

That said, they could nerf the elite specs in PvP only to be a level playing field if they like. They never claimed that PvP would present a F2P level playing field though. You have to buy into the core game, and that means buying HoT. Now, that said, I do expect that future elite specs will be on par with the current ones, not a step up, so if you skipped HoT and bought Xpac 2, you should expect to be equal, not better or worse, than HoT specs.

Coulter.2315:

SlayerSixx.5763:

foxcat.4096:

SlayerSixx.5763:

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

The game is buy to play if you wan’t the full game you gotta buy it ,if you don’t want to fine but you cant cry when you have less options than the person who payed for the full game.

This is an expantion pack. As in an addition to the base game. As in not the base game. You would’ve had a point if it was an intrinsic part of the base game, but it isn’t.

Can you name me an MMO expansion pack that doesn’t expand the skill set or power level of those who get it?

So you’re admitting that the expansion makes the people who purchased the expansion more powerful. This vs cash shop micro transactions differ how? They could’ve just as easily broken the elites into their respective bundles and tossed them into the gem store and split the price up accordingly. The end result? The same as what we have now. The difference? The method of acquisition. Are you guys honestly going to argue semantics? The end result is that you have a power advantage over people playing the core game.

So every expansion that increases power, in a competitive environment, is pay to win lmao. It isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.

The end result is that you have a power advantage over people playing the core game.

Yes, we understand that, what we don’t understand is why you seem to feel people should be justified in being upset over this.

Did you read my post all the way to the end?

This is fine for a normal game, but anet has e-sports aspirations. Naturally, this dream is faaaaaar from becoming a reality, but the simplest step (which they’ve been doing up until HoT), is keeping sPvP equalized. Everyone having access to everything was their goal until HoT. Now, they’ve dropped that (apparently), and want to market their game as a competitive e-sport when its obvious that the better player might not always win simply because the other guy shelled out some dollars. People are mad because they were told to compete and then told after they’ve become invested in the game (within any capacity) that they’ll be handicapped until they pay.

At its base without any serious competition? This is fine, I suppose. Not fun, but fine. In a competitive environment? Unacceptable.

This is fine for a normal game, but anet has e-sports aspirations.

Most sports involve having to pay for basic tools. Haven’t you ever watched one of those “scrappy underdogs” sports movies? One of the first steps is that they get sponsorship for better gear. I really don’t see how anyone would be so foolish as to consider “paying for the existing core game” as somehow “excessive.”

Everyone having access to everything was their goal until HoT.

Yes, but prior to HoT, the core game required an initial purchase. Now it’s free. “Buying HoT” is now merely comparable to the original “buying the core game” buy-in to the system. I would recommend checking out the lyrics to the song “No Scrubs,” by TLC. I think you might find it educational.

These threads are getting pointless,
We have some kids here who won’t accept thus game is buy to play and not free to play they just join our game since kittening septelber or so and are now saying we are wrong because they are so dumb they thing evereygame should be f2p it’s you kittening idiots making sure all games become ‘f2p’ as in free to play and everything that is nice bhind paywalls yoy little kittens! I remember when we just haf to buy a game and not all the fluffy stuff was behind paywalls! And it’s you guys kittening fault for znabling them! So bug off don’t write on these fora again and go cry in a corner

Ohoni.6057:

This is fine for a normal game, but anet has e-sports aspirations.

Most sports involve having to pay for basic tools. Haven’t you ever watched one of those “scrappy underdogs” sports movies? One of the first steps is that they get sponsorship for better gear. I really don’t see how anyone would be so foolish as to consider “paying for the existing core game” as somehow “excessive.”

Everyone having access to everything was their goal until HoT.

Yes, but prior to HoT, the core game required an initial purchase. Now it’s free. “Buying HoT” is now merely comparable to the original “buying the core game” buy-in to the system. I would recommend checking out the lyrics to the song “No Scrubs,” by TLC. I think you might find it educational.

That’s the issue. Buying HoT is NOT comparable to the base game since HoT is an expansion as in an addition. The base game is the base game. You can play GW2 with simply the base game. You cannot play HoT without the base game. I still don’t see how them calling HoT an expansion and them breaking the content up and selling it in the gem store could be any different. On one hand, you’re all fixated on calling it THE GAME. Had it been sold in the gem store in portions, what would’ve been your response?

And to the “considerate” gentlemen posting above me, I bought the base game since launch and also purchased HoT, so I’m no freeloader ;D.

Coulter.2315:

SlayerSixx.5763:

foxcat.4096:

SlayerSixx.5763:

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

The game is buy to play if you wan’t the full game you gotta buy it ,if you don’t want to fine but you cant cry when you have less options than the person who payed for the full game.

This is an expantion pack. As in an addition to the base game. As in not the base game. You would’ve had a point if it was an intrinsic part of the base game, but it isn’t.

Can you name me an MMO expansion pack that doesn’t expand the skill set or power level of those who get it?

Asking this question, making a comparison doesn’t mean expansions are not pay2win. It means people are more tolerant to pay2win aspects.

runeblade.7514:

Coulter.2315:

SlayerSixx.5763:

foxcat.4096:

SlayerSixx.5763:

You need to buy something to remain relevant. That is literally the definition of P2W. The elites are clearly better than the core classes and are locked behind a pay wall, therefore it is pay to win. Why are you still trying to argue?

The game is buy to play if you wan’t the full game you gotta buy it ,if you don’t want to fine but you cant cry when you have less options than the person who payed for the full game.

This is an expantion pack. As in an addition to the base game. As in not the base game. You would’ve had a point if it was an intrinsic part of the base game, but it isn’t.

Can you name me an MMO expansion pack that doesn’t expand the skill set or power level of those who get it?

Asking this question, making a comparison doesn’t mean expansions are not pay2win. It means people are more tolerant to pay2win aspects.

I’m just looking for clarification that you do infact want to label every single game with an expansion pack as ‘pay2win.’

I’m curious what you want to call real pay2win games after that sort of categorisation, since you’re making the term meaningless with such a massive catch all, pay2win+?

Hit the nail on the head with neverwinter. Whole game is a cash grab. Worst offender of p2w mentality out there.

That’s the issue. Buying HoT is NOT comparable to the base game since HoT is an expansion as in an addition.

But it is the new base game. It’s the thing that separates F2P from “bought in.”

And to the “considerate” gentlemen posting above me, I bought the base game since launch and also purchased HoT, so I’m no freeloader ;D.

So you paid them $60 three and a half years ago, and you believe that entitles you to anything now? I bought Assassin’s Creed Black Flag three years ago, does that mean I should be able to play Syndicate for free?

You got three years of GW2 for your purchase, you got a great value for your money. If you don’t want to pay them any more than that, then you can still continue to play what you originally purchased. Just don’t expect them to include all the new bells and whistles, or for them to nerf that new stuff down to be not worth using.

Balthalzar.6243:

Pay2Win is when you can get a statistical advantage over someone very quickly with $$$

Hello this IS A MMORPG, EVERY MMORPG has ALWAYS required you to get the expansion to stay relevant.

Your own argument on why the game isn’t P2W was dismantled by these 2 conflicting statements.

Pay2Win is when you can get a statistical advantage over someone very quickly with $$$ – So buying the expansion.

Hello this IS A MMORPG, EVERY MMORPG has ALWAYS required you to get the expansion to stay relevant. – Buy the expansion to win.

Please don’t compare it to other games, that’s like comparing a serial killer to a certain failed german artist who hates jews.

HURR DURR I CANT HAVE EVERYTHING FOR FREE HURR IM AN E-ATHLETE I DESERVE kitten FOR FREE BECAUSE IM ENTITLED TO IT DURR

Just buy the kittening expansion and stop whining. It’s 40 Euros so even teenagers or unemployed people can afford it.

Once a company named Blizzard ripped people off with expansions. Years later people thought this was “normal” and “correct”. There is a huge distance between what is happenning, and what should.

By the way as I have said in another topic, this game will fall not because of expansions, balance or any other issue. It will fall because of small, minor bugs that have been experienced too long by the players. It makes Anet seem highly unprofessional and uncaring. So this game will fall step by step. Whenever a ranger looks at her pet name, this game loses confidence. Step. By. Step.

Once a company named Blizzard ripped people off with expansions. Years later people thought this was “normal” and “correct”. There is a huge distance between what is happenning, and what should.

I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. Are you suggesting that Blizzard invented the expansion? Because they existed in MMOs years before WoW. I don’t know that there has been ANY successful MMO without an expansion. Of course the issue with a game like WoW was that they charged for an expansion AND charged you 2-3 times that per year in subscription fees. With GW2 there are no subscription fees.