Guild Wars 2

SniffyCube.6107:

sadly I played against a premade of 5 bunker eles… it made me want to quit this game

in the ctf map (which started as the leaderboards came out) all the ele would have to do is rtl blink pick the orb up before one of us was at it, his buddies would sit next to him aoe healing and wiping off conditions and he’d just rtl and blink to cap the orb… worse yet is when you see one of these or a pack of these roaming in wvw where they come out of nowhere blinking with their earth 5 get about 25 stacks of bleed before you know what hit you and run away whenever they want to – but back to spvp… I’ve seen what you guys are talking about where a good ele is unkillable and it’s sad that people defend this class even if most of them just button mash and target the ground immediately in front of them with no idea what they’re doing… if a player like that can survive then we have a problem

You do realize that you are talking about a premade 5 Eles right? It is the same to say, unstopable for a 5 War Team, uncatchable for a 5 Ranger Team, Unseenable for a 5 Thief team, Undieable for a 5 Guard Team, and the list go on….

unstoppable for a 5 warrior team? have you played warrior lol…

such a break with reality

unkillable is okay with you? you must play an ele… but if you’re really “good” at this game you won’t mind instead you’ll just choose other specs. This spec is broken and a lot of spvpers agree… there’s a small minority who play the spec and play it well in order to be invincible who defend it, but a truly good player won’t mind, they’ll just adapt because there are other specs out there (they don’t grant godmode though sorry)

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme Heal/Condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Mobility/Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes High Damage/Might/Condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Also, my Necromancer would like to argue about the “Undieable 5 Guardian Team” “Unstoppable 5 Warrior team” and “Unseenable 5 Thief team”. I can easily stomp all of those types of teams, Rangers provide slight challenge but only if they’re all trap rangers, which is another overly-strong build… however Elementalists are the only true unkillables.

SniffyCube.6107:

so unkillable is okay with you?

With 5 Eles or with 1 Eles himself, which you are prefering. And yes if u talk about Unkiilable with 5 Eles, the same go for War (they kill you bf you kill them)=Unkillable, for Guard (You will never kill them), for Ranger (they will kill you from Range bf you even come close),and so on…

Being an Eles, a class that has LOWEST Hp Pool as well as LOWEST Toughness, plus being FORCED into MELEE, how can we stand a chance with all other melee class?

I would tell you why people know it to be a fact that eles are the op masters of this game, but really after reading your opening I figure why bother. I mean, someone who brings up how eles have the ‘lowest toughness’ and ‘hp pool’ is beating a dead drum. As if we’re not aware that your healing, condition cleanse and dmg midigation is the best in the game – making that low toughness and health a non issue.

But the funniest (and saddest) part is where you mention melee (caps lock no less!).

300 is NOT melee. Roll a warrior. See what it is to have to be within 130 from your enemy and come back and tell me again how 300 is melee range.

lol

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Exactly. When you trait for it and use the right sigils, armor etc. That way you will lose your damage and be almost unkillable. That sounds kinda familiar… oh wait, every single bunker/healer build is like this!
Have you ever seen a mesmer using his mantras to heal? I have. He heals his team faster than an ele can BUT the mesmer loses all of his damage.
A shout warrior can heal even more than that, but loses all of his damage.
An ele can heal alot in bursts, but loses alot of his damage.

See where this is going?

there’s no use talking to this guy he’s desperate to defend (probably) the only spec and class he’s good at because it requires a low skill base

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Mobility/Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Also, my Necromancer would like to argue about the “Undieable 5 Guardian Team” “Unstoppable 5 Warrior team” and “Unseenable 5 Thief team”. I can easily stomp all of those types of teams, Rangers provide slight challenge but only if they’re all trap rangers, which is another overly-strong build… however Elementalists are the only true unkillables.

“When traited properly”. Thank you, now I admit you do have something in your head.

“Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Mobility/Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.” and Sorry we can only pick one. We only have 70 pts after all not 90 pts… For Fire to become Like you said, it take 30 pts in Fire, For Water would be the same and the same applied to Earth…

SmoothHussler.6387:

Being an Eles, a class that has LOWEST Hp Pool as well as LOWEST Toughness, plus being FORCED into MELEE, how can we stand a chance with all other melee class?

I would tell you why people know it to be a fact that eles are the op masters of this game, but really after reading your opening I figure why bother. I mean, someone who brings up how eles have the ‘lowest toughness’ and ‘hp pool’ is beating a dead drum. As if we’re not aware that your healing, condition cleanse and dmg midigation is the best in the game – making that low toughness and health a non issue.

But the funniest (and saddest) part is where you mention melee (caps lock no less!).

300 is NOT melee. Roll a warrior. See what it is to have to be within 130 from your enemy and come back and tell me again how 300 is melee range.

lol

Thanks for the opinion, we are willing to go closer IF you decide to give us HEAVY ARMOR, 19K HEALTH POOL to Start with.

SniffyCube.6107:

there’s no use talking to this guy he’s desperate to defend (probably) the only spec and class he’s good at because it requires a low skill base

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Kamata.5762:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Exactly. When you trait for it and use the right sigils, armor etc. That way you will lose your damage and be almost unkillable. That sounds kinda familiar… oh wait, every single bunker/healer build is like this!
Have you ever seen a mesmer using his mantras to heal? I have. He heals his team faster than an ele can BUT the mesmer loses all of his damage.
A shout warrior can heal even more than that, but loses all of his damage.
An ele can heal alot in bursts, but loses alot of his damage.

See where this is going?

Oh but waaaaaaait, Elementalist is the only class that DOESN’T lose all his damage from having so much healing power…

Could it be that’s why everyone on the planet thinks Ele is OP? Except Eles?

Sorry, DID you actually read my post at all? And what stack are we talking about here?Boons or all the Ability they have which I listed?

1vs1, you can not kill a Good Eles because we are BUNKER,most of us. If you can kill a Bunker in 1vs1 Duel, Congratulation, you are better than most people playing Guild War 2 here,or should I say Hail to the King. Let ask a friend of yours play Berserk Eles (who he is experience with Eles) and play 30/30/0/10/0 and then, let me know.

If you have no further constructive idea to contribute rather than that close-mind of your or whatever, please leave as I said in the first post.

Cheer.

I’m sorry just saw the post here. What am I missing? You outta be thankful ele’s actually have a legitimate build that’s incredibly versatile.

I could wallow all day about how war’s would give there (insert important tangible) to have that kind of luxury.

Yet…..maybe I find it more entertaining to listen to how hard life is from an elemenalist perspective? And, from time…..share my own thoughts.

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

Stealth.9324:

Thanks for the opinion, we are willing to go closer IF you decide to give us HEAVY ARMOR, 19K HEALTH POOL to Start with.

Poor thing. It must be rough. I mean, eles being so weak and all. Its not like they’re a frontline profession or anything right?

/sarcasm

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Kamata.5762:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Yes, everyone knows about attunements, except you apparently. When traited properly, Water becomes the supreme heal/condition removal (With some extra cleanse off of skills), Earth becomes protection/Condition/CC, Air becomes Crit damage/CC, and Fire becomes power/might/condition.

It’s all very wonderful.

Exactly. When you trait for it and use the right sigils, armor etc. That way you will lose your damage and be almost unkillable. That sounds kinda familiar… oh wait, every single bunker/healer build is like this!
Have you ever seen a mesmer using his mantras to heal? I have. He heals his team faster than an ele can BUT the mesmer loses all of his damage.
A shout warrior can heal even more than that, but loses all of his damage.
An ele can heal alot in bursts, but loses alot of his damage.

See where this is going?

Oh but waaaaaaait, Elementalist is the only class that DOESN’T lose all his damage from having so much healing power…

Could it be that’s why everyone on the planet thinks Ele is OP? Except Eles?

Not everyone on the Planet thinks Ele is Op, only you, and those who has no idea about the class or the class they are playing. You can confirm it by yourself. For 30 pts in Water, only “Give 2% extra Dam per boon” is the only trait that can give us Power. Even so, it require 5 boons to achieve 10% of what other class has it outright. Let me ask you a question “A bike and a Truck, both running at 40km/h, and they both hit you, which you think will hit harder?” 10% of 1300 power is no way as good as 10% of 3200 Power. Thank you.

I equate Mesmer, and Elementalist problems to First World Problems.

Elementalist: “I don’t have enough condition removal”

~ ~ Has highest amount of condition removal in the game.

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

Like I said, I don’t ask people who share opinion to leave, but at my very first post, I clearly say, if you are not being constructive or trolling, this is no place for you. Please read it carefully next time.

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

“Guy” has no intention of facing the fact that there is a real reason most top players roll eles. “Guy” didnt open this thread to see what other people think. “Guy” only did it to have a pulpet to preach his ‘poor eles’ sermon.

I guess we’re constructively trolling, as there isn’t much left to say. Elementalist is OP, and hopefully will be nerfed.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Stealth.9324:

Thanks for the opinion, we are willing to go closer IF you decide to give us HEAVY ARMOR, 19K HEALTH POOL to Start with.

Poor thing. It must be rough. I mean, eles being so weak and all. Its not like they’re a frontline profession or anything right?

/sarcasm

Ha ha. I will take your sarcasm NOT seriously. I don’t think Anet intended ELes to be front line battle, if we do, WAR will no longer exist.. (No offence to all good War out there, I love you guys )

Stealth.9324:

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

Like I said, I don’t ask people who share opinion to leave, but at my very first post, I clearly say, if you are not being constructive or trolling, this is no place for you. Please read it carefully next time.

Oh sorry I didn’t realize being constructive meant I had to be in agreement with you.

Bye and enjoy your nerf maybe it’ll make you a better player

Warriors… aren’t even a factor anymore… are you playing the same game as us?

SmoothHussler.6387:

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

“Guy” has no intention of facing the fact that there is a real reason most top players roll eles. “Guy” didnt open this thread to see what other people think. “Guy” only did it to have a pulpet to preach his ‘poor eles’ sermon.

“Guys” has no intention of learning or adapting,instead QQ, has no right to speak all of that.

kito.1827:

i remember someone (karl, J & J) who has mentioned somewhere (SotG) that in one patch (march 26th) there will be somewhat (boonhate) against something (bunker ele/guard)

im wandering why everybody – even the QQ community – forgot about it.
maybe we can get a dev reply on boonhate? (feels kind of dreaming away…)

Because Boon-hat for me personally has no priority and I think for A-Net too.
Second reason is because there are much bigger issues at the moment, as incentive, balance, custom-arenas, observ-mode, bigger tournaments etc. etc.

The list is endless….

I guess I was right after all Stealth, all you do is say “l2p” when your opponents are faced with an obstacle you don’t have to deal with. I’m just going to bow out now and say “Good luck with the Nerf”

SniffyCube.6107:

Stealth.9324:

SniffyCube.6107:

Ah, my first PVP is Thief. And yes, it also a waste of time for me to talk to “a rock”, please leave then.

Guy opens a thread asking about opinions then tells anyone that doesn’t share his opinion to “leave” … and then calls others closed-minded… lol

Like I said, I don’t ask people who share opinion to leave, but at my very first post, I clearly say, if you are not being constructive or trolling, this is no place for you. Please read it carefully next time.

Oh sorry I didn’t realize being constructive meant I had to be in agreement with you.

Bye and enjoy your nerf maybe it’ll make you a better player

Did I say you have to agree with me? But please list for me how many post you do actually Constructive here?

Bye to you too and enjoy your record of Constantly defeating.

Stealth.9324:

Ha ha. I will take your sarcasm NOT seriously. I don’t think Anet intended ELes to be front line battle, if we do, WAR will no longer exist.. (No offence to all good War out there, I love you guys )

As an aside, in wvw, eles are indeed frontline units. Right at the front of the zerg. Despite the low health pool and light armor. Warriors….oh no. Certainly no. There are a few builds that can manage, but the heavy damage dealers are forced to surf the zerg in most cases while eles zip around wherever and whenever they please because of the heals and escapes.

I will say that I dont think anet wanted this situation, nonetheless it is what it is. The light armor wearing casters are frontline troops, while the heavies are zergfood (guardians not included of course…they’re a farily balanced class).

Stealth.9324:

“Guys” has no intention of learning or adapting,instead QQ, has no right to speak all of that.

Oh I can adapt. What else can I do? As I said it is what it is. But I urge you to play a warrior – I mean REALLY play one – to see that you’re the one QQing.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I guess we’re constructively trolling, as there isn’t much left to say. Elementalist is OP, and hopefully will be nerfed.

Elementalist is not OP, and hopefully will not be nerfed. I dont mind fighting Eles, I like it. I like to fight classes that make me work for a kill. I like it that some classes are harder to kill than others. I like a challenge. Without any challenge this game would be boring. Fighting an ele would be teh same as fighting every other class. So that means that there will be a single build to rule them all.

I wouldnt mind if they buffed warriors, engi builds, other ele builds, rangers shortbow and longbow, necros and thieves. That will make it more fun to fight them, since all I see is the same old build I see everyday and I learned how to counter it.

Hm.. Sorry we are talking about PVP here

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I guess I was right after all Stealth, all you do is say “l2p” when your opponents are faced with an obstacle you don’t have to deal with. I’m just going to bow out now and say “Good luck with the Nerf”

Thank you for leaving. I appreciate much that

this post just keeps getting better and better. now you say warriors are the front line of the battle? hooooly kitten man, you are just…

ahuba.6430:

this post just keeps getting better and better. now you say warriors are the front line of the battle? hooooly kitten man, you are just…

Where did you see me post that? And please be back to the topic .

300 melee range lol

ahuba.6430:

this post just keeps getting better and better. now you say warriors are the front line of the battle? hooooly kitten man, you are just…

No one claimed that lol. Or did I miss something?

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

And once again, Mr Stealth goes on with his amazing argument of “Ur just bad”

Whilst Arhuendel believes Elementalists are low tier and awful.

Bravo.

I’m done here, I’ve made my point. D/D Elementalist need a nerf, badly, and I think most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists would agree.

Most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists already said eles are out of hand since moths ago, and also devs admitted it in sotg…and they nerfed quickness and totally ruined warriors….nothing more to say, already reinstalled age of empires 3 (lol) and having real fun with it…waiting for some decent balance and new game modes..

Just nerf Might, gg no more OP ele’s means they can’t be bunkers with damage.

Sick watching people defend a class that is OP, can’t believe people srsly think we are going to design builds around countering ele’s its PvP not PvELE..

Stealth.9324:

Thanks for being constructive. As you said all above, you are correct with we can have them IF TRAITED Correctly. It all does not come for free, to be able to do that, we forced to be in Bunker. And please don’t tell me BUNKER can KIll you Thief. That will make my Thief heart broken.

It does come for free, because the important traits are too low in the traitlines, so you will have em.
Of course you can argue. what if i want to specc X/X/X/X/X but, thats not the case and thats with all professions.
If i specc defensive and want to run G/C i must not wonder if i wont kill anything….

Stealth.9324:

As for being the same toughness as thief, I disagree, if that is the case, why Anet don’t make Thief wear Light Cloth but Medium????

THIEF: full GC traitpoints ( 25/30/0/0/15 )

Health 14095 (3290)
Vitality 1245 (329)

Armor 1980 (0)
Toughness 916 (0)

ELE: without traipoints spend

Health 14095 (3290)
Vitality 1245 (329)

Armor 1836 (0)
Toughness 916 (0)

Stealth.9324:

You know that while Stun, you can’t use any Skill right?And with Rooted, you mean Immobolize or the Skill Entangle of Ranger? I believe any class can break away from Root, not just Eles.

I mean both, a stun is triggered by default ( again thief pov ) with BasiliskVenom.
I sometimes have DevourVenom in my util-line, and also you can root ele by attacking from stealth with SB#1, however you
normally do not do so because you try to backstab !

The Root, is a condition and thereby cleansed by attunement switch !
Which is huge, given the fact that i have to use a 45sec recast util ( devourvenom ) or stealth opener !

Stealth.9324:

Your dmg agains other low-heal / toughness targets is very good !, if you choose to go Berzerk, I think all other class will you harder than us EVER hit you.

Don’t get that sentence there ?
What I meant initially was, that the Dmg a bunker ele can push out, is enough to kill a zerker thief, if he does have his utils on CD !

Sol.4310:

Just nerf Might, gg no more OP ele’s means they can’t be bunkers with damage.

Sick watching people defend a class that is OP, can’t believe people srsly think we are going to design builds around countering ele’s its PvP not PvELE..

They’re strong because they’re soo pro with a god like skillcap…old good story, scary thing is that someone actually thinks this for real…

They definitely do need some tweaking, not because of 1v1s against randoms who are specced for confusion tank mesmer like kamata, but because they are a very real problem when you compound 2-3 ele’s together on a team in high end pvp tournaments. Being able to cheese your way from rank 250 on the leaderboards to the top 80 solely because of imbalanced team compositions consisting of multiple ele’s is a very real problem. Yes I’m sure it’s not a big deal in hotjoin or randoms 1v1ing eachother but there are times when it does become an issue for tournaments.

This seems to be a big issue on NA-Servers. In the high-end pvp of EU you rarely face more than 2 eles in a team. (Agree on little tweaks to bring them down a bit)

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

The ignorance in this game is absolutely hilarious.

-D/D Elementalists are glass burst-

• They have a higher burst than Thief. And it’s AoE.
• Yet they have the survivability of a bunker Guardian
• They have better mobility than a Thief
• They have stronger conditions than a Necromancer.
• They have 4 weapon switches on short cooldowns
• They have the best condition cleanses in the game. And they’re AoE.
• They have the best healing in the game.

It’s OP as hell on paper, and OP as hell ingame.

If we are the jack of all trades, then the Elementalist is the master of everything. Don’t flaunt about your nonexistent knowledge of Necro or Warrior, I play every class and know how each class handles. Elementalist is irrefutably overpowered.

Nerfing Might across the board will accomplish kitten near nothing.

Can you show me the build/gear setup that has all of that? I’d love to see this 30/30/30/30/30 build. Hint: it doesn’t exist. As an ele I spec for either good damage OR survivability, not both. If I want that high aoe burst or condition damage, I will die faster than a porcelain vase knocked down from a table. If I want the high survivability my damage suffers to the point where Flame Grab hits for less than some basic spammable attacks from other classes.

I won’t deny that ele is strong right now, but to claim that we have OP damage, survivability and healing all in the same spec just shows how delusional you are. If you want something about eles changed come up with specific and constructive changes you would like to see, not just kittening that it’s OP.

Archaon.6245:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

And once again, Mr Stealth goes on with his amazing argument of “Ur just bad”

Whilst Arhuendel believes Elementalists are low tier and awful.

Bravo.

I’m done here, I’ve made my point. D/D Elementalist need a nerf, badly, and I think most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists would agree.

Most of the GW2 competitive populace that DON’T main Elementalists already said eles are out of hand since moths ago, and also devs admitted it in sotg…and they nerfed quickness and totally ruined warriors….nothing more to say, already reinstalled age of empires 3 (lol) and having real fun with it…waiting for some decent balance and new game modes..

I find it kind of contradict here. People are complaining that Eles is so OP, Godly Mode, and yet they don;t main an Eles? And by most of the Gw2 competitive Populace, in your definition, I don’t think they are competitive at all because at High Tier PvPer, they tell otherwise. I have a team combined all 40+ PvPer and when I ask, they said Eles is Bad in sPvP. If you claim that is true, please provide ONE name that is a competitive player (20+) and I will ask directly that person.

Back in time, Eles used to be considered one of the UP class, but right now, it is being called Op, with no significant Buff and Constant nerf, I wonder what makes the difference?

i seriously dont care anymore as long one class remains which can stand its own and requires some melee and movement

Stealth.9324:

Back in time, Eles used to be considered one of the UP class, but right now, it is being called Op, with no significant Buff and Constant nerf, I wonder what makes the difference?

People didn’t know the class. I’ve been playing D/D ele since BWE1 and it’s always been good. Most people just didn’t know how to play it and were using it wrong (I’m probably still using it wrong myself running a 30/30/0/0/10 build). Once people realized the power of playing a more defensive ele the other classes just didn’t know how to respond to what used to be free kills showing some bite instead of just barking. This leads to cries of OP from people who don’t know the class and get burned down fast by a GC D/D like myself and then find himself unable to the same to a bunker D/D and assume that they are the same spec because they both use D/D. People need to learn that we’re not all 1 spec just because we’re D/D, but that seems to be too much to ask of some people.

It does come for free, because the important traits are too low in the traitlines, so you will have em.
Of course you can argue. what if i want to specc X/X/X/X/X but, thats not the case and thats with all professions.
If i specc defensive and want to run G/C i must not wonder if i wont kill anything….

U build with defensive Trait and you want to run G/C? Not sure what u are getting there? U mean G/C equipment with defensive Trait or vice versa? With that, you strike for balance build which can not be as tanky as Bunker, as burst as GC but rather a little of both. And even if you run this, it is wonder that you can not kill anything,not even a GC?

Stealth.9324:

As for being the same toughness as thief, I disagree, if that is the case, why Anet don’t make Thief wear Light Cloth but Medium????

THIEF: full GC traitpoints ( 25/30/0/0/15 )

Health 14095 (3290)
Vitality 1245 (329)

Armor 1980 (0)
Toughness 916 (0)

ELE: without traipoints spend

Health 14095 (3290)
Vitality 1245 (329)

Armor 1836 (0)
Toughness 916 (0)

You compare a Full GC thief with a no trait point spend Eles?How about make it simple that none of them is specced and none of them naked and compared the stats. It would be more accurate that way.

Stealth.9324:

You know that while Stun, you can’t use any Skill right?And with Rooted, you mean Immobolize or the Skill Entangle of Ranger? I believe any class can break away from Root, not just Eles.

I mean both, a stun is triggered by default ( again thief pov ) with BasiliskVenom.
I sometimes have DevourVenom in my util-line, and also you can root ele by attacking from stealth with SB#1, however you
normally do not do so because you try to backstab !

The Root, is a condition and thereby cleansed by attunement switch !
Which is huge, given the fact that i have to use a 45sec recast util ( devourvenom ) or stealth opener !

Ah not really, if u are a thief and using SB, simply press Inflitrator Arrow or Shadow Step to move away and Shadow Return, or simply using ur Hide In Shadow Kill, Roll for Innitiative,etc…. And the very first reason they try to root you is either prevent you from escaping or ready for big burst.By simply moving away, you mess up their location and mess up their combo

Stealth.9324:

Your dmg agains other low-heal / toughness targets is very good !, if you choose to go Berzerk, I think all other class will you harder than us EVER hit you.

Don’t get that sentence there ?
What I meant initially was, that the Dmg a bunker ele can push out, is enough to kill a zerker thief, if he does have his utils on CD !

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Bunker vs Zerker is the bad comparison. Bunker built for Survival which can endure a few burst while Berzerk is Burst or die. And ofc, the match only decided when one of you messed up,regardless in any class not just Eles. How about if Thief does not have his ults on CD, will he survive? I think yes. The problem I see here the Eles is smart to lure you to use all your ult bf downing you. You can also applied the same with Eles. The battle is the test of focus,mind,and skill, who can outmind the opponent, the person win.Again, for any class, not just Eles.

Cheer.

piperrak.8049:

i seriously dont care anymore as long one class remains which can stand its own and requires some melee and movement

Is there any class that you know who could not stand on its own and not requires some melee and movement? I have no idea such class exist.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Oh but waaaaaaait, Elementalist is the only class that DOESN’T lose all his damage from having so much healing power…

Could it be that’s why everyone on the planet thinks Ele is OP? Except Eles?

none losses all of his dmg when he take valkyrie amulet… max power, medium thoughness, some heal and crit dmg… add a Fury boon and you have at least solid dmg, lower crit than with berserker, but solid at all… thats what synergyse with ele and his semitank build and makes him good… its all about synergy of his tanky build, valk amulet and Fury, without this combination, ele is not even close to OP, maybe mediocre

they only require “some” melee and movement because classes like d/d ele still exist.

or do u think a trap hunter wishes to move at all? the biggest inbalance is at what rate of “skill” people get success.

ele dont need a skill to work? dont get me laugh, before ppl actualy learned to play with heavy water/arcane cantrip build and valkyrie amulet, ele was considered hardest class to play… well, after a nerf in beta, when he was god like with his S/D…

i personally switched to mesmer before release because ele was too hard for me and i was constantly dying, got me something over month to get some skill before i gave ele another chance, because i just love mages and mesmer was only a half mage

piperrak.8049:

they only require “some” melee and movement because classes like d/d ele still exist.

or do u think a trap hunter wishes to move at all? the biggest inbalance is at what rate of “skill” people get success.

Don’t know if this is the right way to interpret your post. What u means is Eles is not require much movement and can tank mobs all day long? If that is the case, you are deadly wrong. You can try to lv an Eles in PVE environment to confirm Eles surviability. If not, please simply ignore my post.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

kito.1827:

i remember someone (karl, J & J) who has mentioned somewhere (SotG) that in one patch (march 26th) there will be somewhat (boonhate) against something (bunker ele/guard)

im wandering why everybody – even the QQ community – forgot about it.
maybe we can get a dev reply on boonhate? (feels kind of dreaming away…)

Because Boon-hat for me personally has no priority and I think for A-Net too.
Second reason is because there are much bigger issues at the moment, as incentive, balance, custom-arenas, observ-mode, bigger tournaments etc. etc.

The list is endless….

i totally agree with the priority.
but don’t you think, if addressed right, boon hate could counter eles at least a little bit?
and eles are definitely an issue tbh