Guild Wars 2

Hi everyone! Been a longtime fan of GW and GW2 however I just got back into GW2 after breaking for about 6 months. I really enjoy the PvP but today I had the dishonorable debuff applied to me. I have never seen it before until now so I am assuming it’s a newer addition to the game. Earlier today I left a match early because my family was about to head to the store – one strike right? Well apparently I had two others that I was unaware of and the debuff was applied to me. Today is a thursday, so the 72 hour debuff prevents me from playing all weekend basically. It kind of killed my vibe as I was just starting to get back into the game. This kind of thing alienates players like myself who are getting into PvP and may not necessarily intend to cause grief to other players. An hour or maybe even a few hours sounds reasonable but preventing a player from accessing half of the gaming experience for such an extended period of time seems excessive to me. Anyone else have two cents on this topic?

It isn’t fair to the team when a player leaves early, which is why you should only play in tounrys when you know you can stay. 72 hours is a bit harsh, but just a few hours sounds to lenient.

I think the buff should be 365days. Seriously. There is NO excuse for abandoning the team mid-fight! I feel this way because I’m sick of being on teams in the minority because idiots leave.

Rentapest.6503:

I think the buff should be 365days. Seriously. There is NO excuse for abandoning the team mid-fight! I feel this way because I’m sick of being on teams in the minority because idiots leave.

A bit of a humanity will help you out! I promise!

Imagine if you’re playing monopoly and got sidetracked into doing something else and then your friends said “We’re not letting you play monopoly with us for 3 days.” You would think to yourself “Wow they take monopoly pretty seriously.”

I personally dont think I will continue playing again simply because the first two “flags” to my account I was totally unaware of and I don’t feel like getting arbitrarily blocked from playing every now and again because I got distracted by something

Protivnik.8907:

Imagine if you’re playing monopoly and got sidetracked into doing something else and then your friends said “We’re not letting you play monopoly with us for 3 days.” You would think to yourself “Wow they take monopoly pretty seriously.”

I personally dont think I will continue playing again simply because the first two “flags” to my account I was totally unaware of and I don’t feel like getting arbitrarily blocked from playing every now and again because I got distracted by something

I agree, although your analogy only works for team arena, not soloQ.

Rentapest.6503:

I think the buff should be 365days. Seriously. There is NO excuse for abandoning the team mid-fight! I feel this way because I’m sick of being on teams in the minority because idiots leave.

You know people have circumstances that they absolutely have to leave. I am shocked to find out it is 72 hours because that is down right harsh. Even a couple hours is a long time but a full 3 days is ridiculous.

Laylie.5703:

Rentapest.6503:

I think the buff should be 365days. Seriously. There is NO excuse for abandoning the team mid-fight! I feel this way because I’m sick of being on teams in the minority because idiots leave.

You know people have circumstances that they absolutely have to leave. I am shocked to find out it is 72 hours because that is down right harsh. Even a couple hours is a long time but a full 3 days is ridiculous.

Nope not harsh enough to many 4v5 and afks as it is. The Op had to have been afk or left couple times in the same day not just once

Laylie.5703:

Rentapest.6503:

I think the buff should be 365days. Seriously. There is NO excuse for abandoning the team mid-fight! I feel this way because I’m sick of being on teams in the minority because idiots leave.

You know people have circumstances that they absolutely have to leave. I am shocked to find out it is 72 hours because that is down right harsh. Even a couple hours is a long time but a full 3 days is ridiculous.

You people make it sound like after one leave/afk you get the 72hour buff

72hour isn’t that bad when you can just go hot join. It kind of sucks for people that have unstable internet that get DC’d often.

Julie Yann.5379:

72hour isn’t that bad when you can just go hot join. It kind of sucks for people that have unstable internet that get DC’d often.

I have bad internet days too, and here is a little advice that will do great things;

If you know you have bad internet, and you know you will make the experience uncomfortable for 9 other people, as well as yourself, do yourself and everyone else a favor; Do not queue. As simple as that. Fix the issue, once its working again: queue.

Everyone here is treating the leavers as the victims, but they are no more victims than those who have to go through to the bitter experience of a 4v5.

Im all down for increasing the leaver buster time to a week, and make those people queue with other leavers more often than with non-leavers. Dota has a similar system, where leavers get paired with leavers, that way everyone wins.

It is true that people have situations, however, I cant think of any terrible situation where you queue for 3 games in a row and leave all 3 times. “Oh my mom is dying, gotta go”, “oh never mind, she seems to be ok, let me queue again”, “oh crap, my mom started dying again, gotta go”, “oh, nvm, what a faker, let me queue again”, “oh my cat is on fire, gotta go”….etc

Protivnik.8907:

Hi everyone! Been a longtime fan of GW and GW2 however I just got back into GW2 after breaking for about 6 months. I really enjoy the PvP but today I had the dishonorable debuff applied to me. I have never seen it before until now so I am assuming it’s a newer addition to the game. Earlier today I left a match early because my family was about to head to the store – one strike right? Well apparently I had two others that I was unaware of and the debuff was applied to me. Today is a thursday, so the 72 hour debuff prevents me from playing all weekend basically. It kind of killed my vibe as I was just starting to get back into the game. This kind of thing alienates players like myself who are getting into PvP and may not necessarily intend to cause grief to other players. An hour or maybe even a few hours sounds reasonable but preventing a player from accessing half of the gaming experience for such an extended period of time seems excessive to me. Anyone else have two cents on this topic?

It’s not a 72 hour ban iirc. Each stack of dishonored lasts for 72 hours, and you can’t play if you have three stacks.

So if you got one stack Tuesday, one stack Wednesday, and one stack Thursday, your first stack would expire on Friday and you’d be able to play normally until you hit three stacks again.

Imo it’s a necessary and reasonable restriction that simply asks people to think if they’ll be able to play their match before queuing up.

Rentapest.6503:

I think the buff should be 365days. Seriously. There is NO excuse for abandoning the team mid-fight! I feel this way because I’m sick of being on teams in the minority because idiots leave.

Totally agree with. If you don’t have time don’t play tournaments.

I also would suggest to make an area check for the spawn camps give afk’ers a penalty at spawn or allow video reports to give them what they deserve.

Fortus.6175:

Julie Yann.5379:

72hour isn’t that bad when you can just go hot join. It kind of sucks for people that have unstable internet that get DC’d often.

I have bad internet days too, and here is a little advice that will do great things;

If you know you have bad internet, and you know you will make the experience uncomfortable for 9 other people, as well as yourself, do yourself and everyone else a favor; Do not queue. As simple as that. Fix the issue, once its working again: queue.

I have great internet so it isn’t an issue for me but those people paid money for the game. They have every right to queue up for a ranked game. Why do they have too limit their game modes because of an unreliable ISP? What’s next? If you have a high ping and are more susceptible to die from lag then you shouldn’t be allowed to queue cause you are slowing your team down?

I had unstable internet in the past and I didn’t queue up for “serious” pvp back then because it wouldn’t benefit anyone. Accidents like blackouts or emergencies happen and I have nothing but understanding for that. But if you know chances are high that you get disconnected during a game, then why would you join in the first place? To go back to the board-games analogy: I never started a game of Risk (never was an avid monopoly fan), when I knew I had to leave within the next 20 minutes.

I have not played many rated arena games in GW2 and these days I don’t even bother anymore; the most deciding reason being 4v5 matches. It’s so frustrating to the losing team, it’s not even funny and being on the side with 5 people is boring as well.

I don’t know how dishonorable works, but if it’s one 72h debuff per left game, and you get banned from games when you have 3 stacks, then that’s certainly not a bad way to go about it. Otherwise I feel a 24 hour ban for 3 strikes is enough. But then each strike would last indefinitely and each arena ban should increase with 24h each time you get 3 strikes.

Julie Yann.5379:

Fortus.6175:

Julie Yann.5379:

72hour isn’t that bad when you can just go hot join. It kind of sucks for people that have unstable internet that get DC’d often.

I have bad internet days too, and here is a little advice that will do great things;

If you know you have bad internet, and you know you will make the experience uncomfortable for 9 other people, as well as yourself, do yourself and everyone else a favor; Do not queue. As simple as that. Fix the issue, once its working again: queue.

I have great internet so it isn’t an issue for me but those people paid money for the game. They have every right to queue up for a ranked game. Why do they have too limit their game modes because of an unreliable ISP? What’s next? If you have a high ping and are more susceptible to die from lag then you shouldn’t be allowed to queue cause you are slowing your team down?

No, then you will have lower ranking to compensate for the lag.

If you make the game unejoyable for others you should be punished. Whether that’s by leaving/disconnecting and ruining a matchup or by calling people names.
Oh but I paid money so I should be able to swear. That sounds rediculous.
They are different kind of situations ofcourse, but you get the geste.

Rentapest.6503:

I think the buff should be 365days. Seriously. There is NO excuse for abandoning the team mid-fight! I feel this way because I’m sick of being on teams in the minority because idiots leave.

Aren’t you the guy that is always talking about how you’re afking most of your matches?

eekzie.5640:

No, then you will have lower ranking to compensate for the lag.

If you make the game unejoyable for others you should be punished. Whether that’s by leaving/disconnecting and ruining a matchup or by calling people names.
Oh but I paid money so I should be able to swear. That sounds rediculous.
They are different kind of situations ofcourse, but you get the geste.

So will the rest of the people on your team because of your lag.

As far as I know playing the game with a shody ISP does not go against the User Agreement. Calling people names and even swearing do (depending on how offensive you are).

I think people take this way too seriously, it’s just a game.

Protivnik.8907:

Earlier today I left a match early because my family was about to head to the store

So what you are saying is you queued into a match that 9 other players are bound to stay in once they enter, knowing you would end up leaving early and screwing over the other players.

I think the debuff should be longer – Maybe you will think about how you made other players have a bad time by thinking only about yourself, while you are stuck to hotjoins with other scr7bs for 72h.

dank.3680:

Protivnik.8907:

Earlier today I left a match early because my family was about to head to the store

So what you are saying is you queued into a match that 9 other players are bound to stay in once they enter, knowing you would end up leaving early and screwing over the other players.

I think the debuff should be longer – Maybe you will think about how you made other players have a bad time by thinking only about yourself, while you are stuck to hotjoins with other scr7bs for 72h.

It’s not even 72 hours, each stack is 72 hours. if I earned 2 stacks 3 1/2 days ago and got the 3rd tonight I would be out for only a couple hours.

No big deal, Julie Yann. Don’t bother, you’ll hit a wall with them. They indeed take this game too seriously, sometime, I even wonder why they don’t run their own team if it’s such a big deal (aka suggesting 365 days ban for going afk in soloQ, really?). I call them hardcore casual pvpers.

Poplolita.2638:

No big deal, Julie Yann. Don’t bother, you’ll hit a wall with them. They indeed take this game too seriously, sometime, I even wonder why they don’t run their own team if it’s such a big deal (aka suggesting 365 days ban for going afk in soloQ, really?). I call them hardcore casual pvpers.

What’s wrong with wasting valuable time of 9 other people? Say it’s 20 mins of theirs wasted including the que time. That’s 20 × 9 = 3 hours of wasted time. So rude of them to not want this to happen.

I do agree that a year ban is too much, but at the same time, the current system is far too lenient considering everything.

Many players have people that they can play on a team with… but everyone on your team isn’t always going to be around. Should everyone be subjected to this constant 4v5 dc rubbish or just not play? No, that’s ridiculous.

Seriously, players with unstable connections shouldn’t que. Buying the game doesn’t somehow make it ok to ruin other people’s game and take their time. Hotjoin doesn’t care if you leave early, they should stick to this. Think of the 9 other people instead of being selfish ^^

Aberrant.6749:

……Seriously, players with unstable connections shouldn’t que. Buying the game doesn’t somehow make it ok to ruin other people’s game and take their time. Hotjoin doesn’t care if you leave early, they should stick to this. Think of the 9 other people instead of being selfish ^^

Basically, nobody from Australia (they have horrible connections) should be allowed to SoloQ so that your 9 other people can have a good even game. I hate 4v5 as much as everyone else but restricting an entire continent from Soloq doesn’t seem like a reasonable solution.

Julie Yann.5379:

Basically, nobody from Australia (they have horrible connections) should be allowed to SoloQ so that your 9 other people can have a good even game. I hate 4v5 as much as everyone else but restricting an entire continent from Soloq doesn’t seem like a reasonable solution.

What are you talking about? I queue with Australians all the time, in fact, I’m in a primarily Australian guild and they’ve never d/ced on me. I, on the other hand, have been having issue with my modem shutting down periodically. Guess what I’m not doing today.

Absent Minded.5821:

Julie Yann.5379:

Basically, nobody from Australia (they have horrible connections) should be allowed to SoloQ so that your 9 other people can have a good even game. I hate 4v5 as much as everyone else but restricting an entire continent from Soloq doesn’t seem like a reasonable solution.

What are you talking about? I queue with Australians all the time, in fact, I’m in a primarily Australian guild and they’ve never d/ced on me. I, on the other hand, have been having issue with my modem shutting down periodically. Guess what I’m not doing today.

I play with a lot of Aussies too and they tend to have more lag and DC issues they the NA I play with.

Good on you for holding out on your game for the sake of total strangers who don’t give 2 kittens about you. Many of us aren’t so selfless. I don’t have connection problems but if I did I sure as hell would not be sticking to hotjoins just in case my internet might kitten itself during a match. I will try my luck and hope for the best, if it happens to quit on me then so be it.

I am fine with 4v5 being caused by DC’s. Those people were actually in the fight trying and queued up in good faith. What I am not OK with are 4v5 caused by AFKs and rage quitters.

If you’re willing to take a 3 day ban to gamble with your internet connection so be it.

The problem here is that his strikes carried over for 6 months..

You should get a clean slate every month.

uberkingkong.8041:

The problem here is that his strikes carried over for 6 months..

You should get a clean slate every month.

Or maybe he got skyhammer multiple times and said kitten this kitten and got a well earned dishonnered.

No. It is not. It is too short, too unreliable (there’s people that disconnect on purpose and still don’t get it) and not enough noticeable.

It should last longer the more often you get it (e.g: Get it once within a week, it last 2 days, get it 3 times within a week, the third time lasts an entire week)

And it should be more noticeable. You know, you really should be able to see the stinky lines while the character is in the mists:

You know what’s funny? I hate 4v5 just as much as the other guy. But I guarantee you that people would quit the game in droves with some of the suggestions I am seeing in this thread.

I’ve never experienced a dishonorable debuff, and I probably never will… nevertheless, I think even the current system may be a little too harsh.

I think in the matter of a DC, the person should be kicked… they should then pick up a loss and the system should cycle and immediately fill the position with someone else in the queue.

The person who is substituted mid match would be immune to picking up a loss if they lose the game but they are still eligible for a win bonus if they fight hard enough and win.

Problem solved without the over the top suggestions about bans.

Bans are NOT good for the game.

i think the duration is perfect, if you leave 3 games whether by choice or because you decided to play with unplayable lag then you should be penalized, and 3 days is about right.

if you abandoned the match to go shopping (after also leaving 2 other matches) then don’t complain about dishonourable, you’ve earned it.

I’d say problem isn’t that it’s too long, it just takes too long to reset. So, today I’m doing solo arena, my connection dies before the end of the match. When I log back in, here it is, no pvp for 21 hours. What?
I’ve been pvping lots recently, since, say, last week. Like 10 solo queues per night. I couldn’t even recount how many times I’ve crashed during that week, but it mustn’t have been more than two or three times. It’s nothing out of the ordinary. And it wasn’t three crashes the same day either. It’s a rare occurence, and I’m penalized for it like I’ve been ragequitting or afking? No, that’s not the way to do it. I’m all for penalizing quitters and afkers, but at least reset the count every 24 hours or so.

Lydell.8713:

I’d say problem isn’t that it’s too long, it just takes too long to reset. So, today I’m doing solo arena, my connection dies before the end of the match. When I log back in, here it is, no pvp for 21 hours. What?

That is not how it works. It only kicks in if you have three stacks of debuff.

silvermember.8941:

Lydell.8713:

I’d say problem isn’t that it’s too long, it just takes too long to reset. So, today I’m doing solo arena, my connection dies before the end of the match. When I log back in, here it is, no pvp for 21 hours. What?

That is not how it works. It only kicks in if you have three stacks of debuff.

And you are out until the first stack you earned times out.