Guild Wars 2

To all the players that say “ele is useless” I say “you play it bad!!!”.
The dps power of the ele is very high and you can survive well.
Try that:
Staff and berserker build.
Foefire map (or Temple map).
Use teleport to go where the enemy can’t hit you melee and you’re hard to hit by ranged (isn’t alla that problem, if you know a little the map and use the teleport to go wherever you want).
Then shoot at the enemy by a safe place where you’re hard to hit.
You can do a very high damage, be unkillable and whit a bunker or a thief you can hold the mid easy just because the enemy don’t hit you.
If you kill ranger and necro first, your work is so easy that a noob can do it. Just kill everything by the distance.

If you don’t find a way to kill the enemy, find a way to make you unkillable!
It’s strategy, no more.

That strategy can’t win always and is weak against ranged, but whit only 2 utility skills (teleport and mistform) you become unkillable and can run away easy if the enemy is near to kill you.

so you play top 100 with ele and have a viable build? post it plz thank you.

otherwise this build is probably very good for dungeons! well done

The only counter to ele is thief with more blinks, With tempest defense being twice as powerful now and only 10 points for blasting staff, you just need to know how to fight thief.

Silv.9207:

To all the players that say “ele is useless” I say “you play it bad!!!”.
The dps power of the ele is very high and you can survive well.
Try that:
Staff and berserker build.
Foefire map (or Temple map).
Use teleport to go where the enemy can’t hit you melee and you’re hard to hit by ranged (isn’t alla that problem, if you know a little the map and use the teleport to go wherever you want).
Then shoot at the enemy by a safe place where you’re hard to hit.
You can do a very high damage, be unkillable and whit a bunker or a thief you can hold the mid easy just because the enemy don’t hit you.
If you kill ranger and necro first, your work is so easy that a noob can do it. Just kill everything by the distance.

If you don’t find a way to kill the enemy, find a way to make you unkillable!
It’s strategy, no more.

That strategy can’t win always and is weak against ranged, but whit only 2 utility skills (teleport and mistform) you become unkillable and can run away easy if the enemy is near to kill you.

So for how long have you been playing gw2 ?

ok show us how you fight an S/D thief with staff ele. make a guide

You a top 100 thief? Ill need you to train me in a match lol bring another if you need. :p

I’m not a top 100 thief. I’m not even a thief. And i wont waste my time proving you that ele is not viable. Karsaib, Sickness, Apollo and Sunshine know whats going on. And I know them ingame as good ele players.

You can’t just bring your pve staff build stay max range and expect not to get focussed. Viability is not about the possibility to play the class. You can, just that each role there is another class can do better and that’s why ele is not viable.

If you want to prove to me or others that ele is viable, you have to show which role your build will fill in and point out why it is better then other builds in the same role.

But honestly, it’s like sensotix says “listen to the wrong players”.

Thats like when I see people claiming power ranger is viable.
Instead of saying they are trolling and it is not viable, I just prefer to use the term “Sub-optimal” to show them in a minor way that it is out of place

Django.5923:

I’m not a top 100 thief. I’m not even a thief. And i wont waste my time proving you that ele is not viable. Karsaib, Sickness, Apollo and Sunshine know whats going on. And I know them ingame as good ele players.

You can’t just bring your pve staff build stay max range and expect not to get focussed. Viability is not about the possibility to play the class. You can, just that each role there is another class can do better and that’s why ele is not viable.

If you want to prove to me or others that ele is viable, you have to show which role your build will fill in and point out why it is better then other builds in the same role.

But honestly, it’s like sensotix says “listen to the wrong players”.

tbh, since thief is not really that viable anymore, you could easily try playing ele, which is far stronger against current bullkitten meta builds, at least the S/F variant.

The real issue i see with eles is mobility but aside that, it’s not really THAT bad.

Currently even thieves and mesmers are not THAT bad, with mesmers being slightly better than all of them.

Ele is just behind them, but not that far, and has its strenghts.

I know what you want to say. Thief has a build problem. But Thief will be a MUST HAVE and stay in high tier pvp because of his mobility.

As said. Reduce RTL to 15 seconds or 20 would also be ok again and ele could actually be viable.

kk well your wasting my time reading all that then jk :P

Assuming you think Im bringing a pve staff ele build (thats lvl1) and saying that I think staying at max range wont get me focused is silly, are you mocking me? and I dont understand why that joke would even be funny. This is the Spvp forums.

I know you get focused because staff ele aoe is the highest burst atm. And Like I said you just need to know thief 1v1 since its the only class with more blinks to catch up to you at all the blink locations.

In a good team with a good ele. Its not like this game is competitive.

You are right in theory. But in fact you just die always as ele.

You are at the side of a point and nuke. Let’s say khylo on clocktower. You stand up, because you dont want to get hit. Guess what? backstab. you are instantly dead.

Or let’s say he is an s/d thief. He kills you and you mistform mid and get rezzed just to be instant down again.

My team plays top 100 with an ele, we really know what the problem is.

Your Staff ele thing sure is viable in hot join or soloqueue

Django.5923:

I know what you want to say. Thief has a build problem. But Thief will be a MUST HAVE and stay in high tier pvp because of his mobility.

As said. Reduce RTL to 15 seconds or 20 would also be ok again and ele could actually be viable.

Tbh i don’t think thieves will stay top tier for long ( it’s not that i see thieves so many thieves in EU, ya know): meta is shifting to “bunker yo easy mode” where the best target to focus are necros ( !! ) , spirit rangers, ( !!!!) and engies ( !!!!!!!), with maybe wars (!?!?!?!?) following, as long they don’t build with endure pain.

There’s no real target to focus anymore, the squishiest is necro ( which is not squishy at all) and we’re starting to play bunker game ( or decap game).

Thieves are starting to have no real impact on a fight and there’s very little you can do with your mobility if you’re no longer able to win the 1vs1 against 80% of the professions you’re going to face at side point ( which is very rarely left uncovered).

Thief is mobile and has team stealth, but aside that, you would be better bringing another engi-necro-war-ranger.

And in that situation, you may have an S/F ele in your team without it being a complete hinderance.

I’m not saying ele is not the worst of all, in fact it is, but it’s not that behind other “low tier” classes currently: mesmer is the only one which can REALLY be useful.

Luvboard, lemme explain a few things on how thief vs ele match up works. The thief will always jump you when he has the upper hand. Could be with basi, or backstab steal combo, or just when you’re out of cooldowns. Rest of the time, he will keep his distance and you’ll be toast. Assuming you’re talking about some “competitive pvp staff build”, gotta take into account how a competitive thief would play. What he plays doesn’t even matter there. And staff is the most unreliable, whack damage you could imagine. You HAVE to run scepter/xx.

I have 14k hmmmm. 6sec prot on 10s earth swap. 3 1/2s prot on aura every 25s with static aura 4s static shield w/stun (tempest defense) + another 3 1/2 with frost armor 40s blast. + 12s prot forge runes. + armor of earth 7s prot.

Even if I didnt have protection.
When does backstab do 14k dmg? If I dont react for kitten sitting their sure he gets more then a backstab off. But I guess only your ele friends do that and thats why they dont think it works. They must be bad.

Your just trolling I guess backstab instantly dead. You said you dont even play theif and you exaggerating everything so far.

edit:
@karsaiB
Ya I know how thief vs ele works, thats what were talking about here. + I play the game lol. I know basi, it procs static aura which is a 25s cd w/traits gives prot. And your telling me the rest of the time the thief keeps his distance vs an ele? no Cause his team would be dead. Hes almost forced into training ele.

backstab steal does about 10k damage if backstab crits. You’re left with 4k, in range for a single lethal heartseeker. Also, The backstab steal combo will daze you and even remove stability if you have one on. At this point, the thief hasn’t used a single initiative. At this point he can do whatever he wants. Run away stealth and open you with basi, daze and Ice shard stab you, auto attack you, heartseeker you, shadowshot you, doesn’t matter. You’re dead.

Actually I dunno why I bother. Guess what you’re probably a superb underdog player and everyone must be wrong. People above already proved by A+B that your statements aren’t accurate, moreover in a nice way. Keep on rockin.

Interesting lol the only thing thats been proved is backstab somehow instant kills, but you corrected that in saying it doesnt and that if you add in steal it does 10k.

Good try tho

+the person thinks I was running a pve build so Idk what your even talking about.

Why does it matter if you die on the backstab or in the next 3 seconds ? Funny how you drag the argument over such a secondary point rather than the actual topic tho. Nice try.

Your exaggerating theif if they did 10k dmg perfectly every time then every prof w/o toughness amulet would be killed. Unless they had 20k hp like necros then. 2 thiefs in less then a second would both backstab for 20k. Making thief the best in the game and every1 would run 2. Thats not how it works tho buddy

edit: I guess they have perma stealth and can never be targeted or die. Everyone has to run 5 I guess in your logic, of thief can kill anything in 1 shot or even your “next 3 seconds” as you said.

In case the ALL CAPS title didn’t give it away, this thread is an obvious troll. Notice that the first poster hasn’t replied to anything after making his incoherent post. He just stirred up controversy and then sat back to enjoy the show. 10/10 successful troll is successful.

n1 troll @pvp forums 2013*

Ele is trash outside of wvw zerging with a staff. Even in pve ele is trash and other classes do better damage while having much higher survivability….they used to have neat mobility but that’s gone so no reason to ele anymore.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Thats like when I see people claiming power ranger is viable.
Instead of saying they are trolling and it is not viable, I just prefer to use the term “Sub-optimal” to show them in a minor way that it is out of place

Power Rangers are more than viable. I have seen them wreck whole cities
and some of the strongest enemies out there! Nerf pl0x!
Don’t forget their pets, too much damage; nerf please!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7pHy2MB6HM

Luvboard.3567:

Your exaggerating theif if they did 10k dmg perfectly every time then every prof w/o toughness amulet would be killed. Unless they had 20k hp like necros then. 2 thiefs in less then a second would both backstab for 20k. Making thief the best in the game and every1 would run 2. Thats not how it works tho buddy

edit: I guess they have perma stealth and can never be targeted or die. Everyone has to run 5 I guess in your logic, of thief can kill anything in 1 shot or even your “next 3 seconds” as you said.

Yah, they will die, unless they have

• high access to invisibility, clones, and teleport like mesmers
• high access to aegis or invulnerability to block the burst
• a high armor class. I don’t think I ever care about thief burst when I play my ham/bow berserker warrior. Even with Berserker, I have high enough armor and HP pool that I can brush off the thief and remove the pressure. 3 seconds off ~1500 HP recovered.

Also, the people above you argued that the staff ele with berserker amulet the OP talked about would die so easily to the enemy. Your D/D bunker Ele can live longer, although still not as effective as other class. Also, avoid arguing on different skill level. If it must take an extremely good staff ele to be effective, while it takes an average Joe to play effectively another class, then it’s the definition of imbalance.

Luvboard.3567:

I have 14k hmmmm. 6sec prot on 10s earth swap. 3 1/2s prot on aura every 25s with static aura 4s static shield w/stun (tempest defense) + another 3 1/2 with frost armor 40s blast. + 12s prot forge runes. + armor of earth 7s prot..

with 100% prot uptime, your 14K HP merely turns into 18.5K effective HP, less than a full zerker warrior, whoopedy-do.

Ele still sucks overall IMO due to overnerfs and fundamental design issues (enforced versatility).

Ele’s need to stay where they are. Once I see one on the enemy team I know it’s a free win (which = better rewards for me and rewards is what pvp is all about).

@scerevisiae

ya 18.5k hp + healing glyph and regen + healing rain + geyser + blasts + water elite. prot gives you time to get off heals and kill the target at mid.
+static aura + frozen ground + frozen armor 10% dmg reduc not sure if it stacks with prot. But it all helps vs thief and you can last until your team wins at mid and the thief is like :/

Django.5923:

I know what you want to say. Thief has a build problem. But Thief will be a MUST HAVE and stay in high tier pvp because of his mobility.

As said. Reduce RTL to 15 seconds or 20 would also be ok again and ele could actually be viable.

It doesn’t give the ele the defense it needs. It just gives dagger off-hand a bonus to mobility. That won’t be enough for the profession, I’m afraid.

Django.5923:

so you play top 100 with ele and have a viable build? post it plz thank you.

otherwise this build is probably very good for dungeons! well done

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-k33;0J0BJ-U0-5gM-Z0;9;6JJT;457-49-17A4o0;0o0-sV2DsV2D4BA

I use this build in team queue in both side point and mid fight situations.

http://gwshack.info/?page=player_spvp&region=na&username=Damsel%20Delilah.9084

My current rank and highest achieved ranks are shown here if it really matters to you.
(I know the link doesnt work properly, idk why…just copy and paste if you really want to look lol)

I’m pretty sure that anyone on an assassin build can jump on you and kill you. Mesmers, thieves, fresh air eles, you know. And I doubt the teamfight power this brings can be compared to one a necro will bring, since a necro is way more tanky.

They need to give staff ele more escape options. Lightning Flash is not enough.

Django.5923:

I know what you want to say. Thief has a build problem. But Thief will be a MUST HAVE and stay in high tier pvp because of his mobility.

As said. Reduce RTL to 15 seconds or 20 would also be ok again and ele could actually be viable.

NO! Rtl was nerfed for a reson.Was too Op fir disengaging.Lol at asking 15 sec cd lmao.Can’t be serious as a sugestion imo.Rtl should stay as it is or placed on par with warrior rush for more balance.

Luvboard.3567:

@scerevisiae
ya 18.5k hp

I don’t think you’re convincing anyone. The last patch only made Ele’s worse.

Zenith.7301:

They need to give staff ele more escape options. Lightning Flash is not enough.

Umm…staff has more “run away” options than any other Ele weapon.

Fire – Burning Retreat – 20 sec CD, evade, fairly long retreat distance.
Air – Gust – 400 knockback, 1200 range
Air – Windborne Speed – cripple/immob/chill cleanse, 10s swiftness
Air – Static Field – 2s stun, big AoE field
Earth – Magnetic Aura – projectile reflection
Earth – Unsteady Ground – won’t let enemies go across it
Earth – Shockwave – immobilize

Combining staff skills with cantrips = slippery target. The main weakness is that staff gets absolutely shredded when trying to fight on point since all it’s damage revolves around AoE fields (that a blind man could avoid), and when Magnetic Aura is on cooldown it’s GG against any ranged attacker. Also we’re forced to run Ether Renewal or get melted by condi classes.

So the only use left for staff is stand behind teammates, hope like hell you don’t get noticed, rain down Meteors + Lava Font and maybe provide some healing (2 water fields).

Overall staff as a weapon is fine, but the core issues with Elementalists still remain – way too squishy, bad mobility, awkward attunement cooldowns, heavy reliance on cantrips for survivability, inflexible traits, etc.
The class in general is just not designed to compete with the likes of Guardians, Engineers, Warriors, Mesmers, etc when it comes to high-level play.

I heard Thieves got nerfed but at least they still have a ROLE for roaming and far-point harassing, at least they can hold their own in 1v1’s and team fights.

Ele’s have no role whatsoever, and the biggest kick in the balls is that they are still so hard to play properly.

Fire – Burning Retreat – 20 sec CD, evade, fairly long retreat distance.
- Hey he did firething, I just port myself and kill him with number 3 and 1

Air – Gust – 400 knockback, 1200 range
- Hey he knockbacked me but I just port trolololo

Air – Windborne Speed – cripple/immob/chill cleanse, 10s swiftness
- He does strangy light fieldy thingies, i just evade with 3 and evades and kill him

Air – Static Field – 2s stun, big AoE field
- I just evade, oh kitten it got me, port kill him trololo

Earth – Magnetic Aura – projectile reflection
- kitten now i can’t throw my sword or daggers after him

Earth – Unsteady Ground – won’t let enemies go across it
- kitten i can’t get… port

Earth – Shockwave – immobilize
oh no I’m immobilized and he can get away. Basilisk venom stability port trololo killed him. all gud guise

Ele NEEDS more mobility. Crippling etc. doesn’t help the problem

BTW ele was nerfed for a reason. The reason was that it was the strongest class. Now he got nerfed and everything else got buffed immensly so he should also be buffed again…

Django.5923:

Fire – Burning Retreat – 20 sec CD, evade, fairly long retreat distance.
- Hey he did firething, I just port myself and kill him with number 3 and 1

Air – Gust – 400 knockback, 1200 range
- Hey he knockbacked me but I just port trolololo

Air – Windborne Speed – cripple/immob/chill cleanse, 10s swiftness
- He does strangy light fieldy thingies, i just evade with 3 and evades and kill him

Air – Static Field – 2s stun, big AoE field
- I just evade, oh kitten it got me, port kill him trololo

Earth – Magnetic Aura – projectile reflection
- kitten now i can’t throw my sword or daggers after him

Earth – Unsteady Ground – won’t let enemies go across it
- kitten i can’t get… port

Earth – Shockwave – immobilize
oh no I’m immobilized and he can get away. Basilisk venom stability port trololo killed him. all gud guise

Ele NEEDS more mobility. Crippling etc. doesn’t help the problem

BTW ele was nerfed for a reason. The reason was that it was the strongest class. Now he got nerfed and everything else got buffed immensly so he should also be buffed again…

How many classes have even half of that with 2 weapon sets combined and where exactly does a Thief find that many teleports and still do damage.

an ele wont do ALL of that at the same time.

An ele just can’t get away against a decent thief that’s my point.

If the ele goes back overextending and the whole team doesn’t go back with him he is food for the thief. That’s why an ele has to stay in the fight even if he is focussed because he will die anyway.

A thief plays S/D that’s how he finds so many ports and does still do dmg. Infiltrators, infiltrators signet, steal, shadowstep and that’s only 1 weaponset. He would also have infilltrators arrow on shortbow if he would need it.

(also works with backstab. you just backstab him and when he gets away steal – infiltrator signet or number 3 and you get the last hits you need).

An ele can win 1v1 vs a thief. The problem is that it’s always like this:

“Ok me gud in teamfight, deal lot dmg, kitten THIEF ON ME, I’m down -.- rezz me dudes I mistform tu ju! NICE I’m up! there thief target! kitten I’m instadownagain wtf!”

Django.5923:

an ele wont do ALL of that at the same time.

An ele just can’t get away against a decent thief that’s my point.

If the ele goes back overextending and the whole team doesn’t go back with him he is food for the thief. That’s why an ele has to stay in the fight even if he is focussed because he will die anyway.

A thief plays S/D that’s how he finds so many ports and does still do dmg. Infiltrators, infiltrators signet, steal, shadowstep and that’s only 1 weaponset. He would also have infilltrators arrow on shortbow if he would need it.

(also works with backstab. you just backstab him and when he gets away steal – infiltrator signet or number 3 and you get the last hits you need).

An ele can win 1v1 vs a thief. The problem is that it’s always like this:

“Ok me gud in teamfight, deal lot dmg, kitten THIEF ON ME, I’m down -.- rezz me dudes I mistform tu ju! NICE I’m up! there thief target! kitten I’m instadownagain wtf!”

No one can get away from decent thief .Just saying.

Just wanted to add that Tempest Defense won’t help against Basilisk Venom since Runes of Lyssa will give Stab most of the time.
Moreover, you may be able to survive a few seconds but you can’t run forever and you can’t hope to stay on a high ground making it rain either.
Moreover² this is not just about thieves imo, this is not the only class that can turn your game into a nightmare.

mini.6018:

Django.5923:

an ele wont do ALL of that at the same time.

An ele just can’t get away against a decent thief that’s my point.

If the ele goes back overextending and the whole team doesn’t go back with him he is food for the thief. That’s why an ele has to stay in the fight even if he is focussed because he will die anyway.

A thief plays S/D that’s how he finds so many ports and does still do dmg. Infiltrators, infiltrators signet, steal, shadowstep and that’s only 1 weaponset. He would also have infilltrators arrow on shortbow if he would need it.

(also works with backstab. you just backstab him and when he gets away steal – infiltrator signet or number 3 and you get the last hits you need).

An ele can win 1v1 vs a thief. The problem is that it’s always like this:

“Ok me gud in teamfight, deal lot dmg, kitten THIEF ON ME, I’m down -.- rezz me dudes I mistform tu ju! NICE I’m up! there thief target! kitten I’m instadownagain wtf!”

No one can get away from decent thief .Just saying.

yeah and ele can’t sustain him AND can’t get away. That’s why he needs one of those options. I was referring to the guy who said he can just disengage vs a thief with his staff ele

Ele is good. Throw some water fields, static field and meteor shower in ring and you kick kitten. Soon somebody come tel that they can’t win 1 vs 1 fight, but pros don’t fight 1 vs 1.

Staff just needs to be babysat too much.

As soon as 2-3 players turn their eyes on you, you are dead if you don’t get some serious peeling from your team.

My mesmer or d/d setup can deal much better with getting focused, and I’m not even going to mention thief or engineer as far as getaways go.

And warriors of course just stance and leap away while signet patches them up.

Zenith.7301:

Staff just needs to be babysat too much.

As soon as 2-3 players turn their eyes on you, you are dead if you don’t get some serious peeling from your team.

My mesmer or d/d setup can deal much better with getting focused, and I’m not even going to mention thief or engineer as far as getaways go.

And warriors of course just stance and leap away while signet patches them up.

And your post proves perfectly how OP mesmer is.

Wait wait wait, first off you’re trying to say ele is actually useful in pvp… Then you top it off by saying you’re using A staff?!? Please save yourself headache and rage and retool as anything else aside from an ele. They have no place in pvp besides a glass s/d burst build. Or a zero dmg d/d bunker bunker build for caps.

why would the ele be running from the thief though? dunno about you guys, but when I’m playing ele and have a thief on me I try to burst them. arcane shield, lava font, arcane wave, lightning flash, electric discharge, fireball is some pretty serious burst

lava font might be on cooldown, but the other stuff shouldn’t be

OP is obviously a hotjoin hero.

So much elementalist hate.

theifs suck, you cant kill no staff ele

black powder heartseeker backstab daze your heal gg

would like to see ele rtl cd go to 25s flat instead of 20/40 split