Guild Wars 2

Due to an ongoing bug with Vampirism Runes, we will not be allowing Elementalists to use this runeset in upcoming Go4 Cups, including the one taking place tomorrow. This is due to a bug that was brought to out attention that resets an elementalist’s downstate health while the rune is equipped. We will remove this restriction once the relevant bug has been fixed. Thank you for your cooperation.

OMG! Blue are you back my man? We miss your shoutcasting! are you gonna stream next ESL?

Unfortunately I’m only back as an admin at the moment.

Same counts for Academy Gaming btw

A shame…
I hope that HoT will bring what you’re looking for, so that you can come back to shoutcast :-); elite specs and new game mode should bring the diversity you’re looking for I believe but only time will tell

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Pro Tip: Thief are pretty strong right now, especially with stealth skills, you should role with 5 of them for sure.

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

ESL should just make it 1 class per player per team. Example: ele, thief, mes, war, gaurd. No dbl ele no triple ele

Leaving GW2 was the best call. GvG has yet to exist and PvP is already dead. This game only targets PvE players to rack money.

I thought I was gonna read

“Only 2 cele-ele per Team”

Disappointed now

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

Is this just for EU? /15chars

Readymade.1672:

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

Is this just for EU? /15chars

I was looking at the rules for the NA cup when I copied that. I’d imagine they’d be consistent regardless.

i have to say Blu was my favorite caster to listen too. No offense to anyone else, jebro was a close second even if hes from Eu

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

I don’t like this rule.

Reason: With leagues on the horizon, there are no restrictions with comps when ranking up in the Guild Team Leaderboards. Remember… they will also be using the leaderboards from each competitive season to help determine which teams will receive invitations to higher-tier tournament events.

If my friends and I play a 5 man Necro team and we have some success with it, we should be able to try out for ESL unhindered. There are no restrictions with the Guild Team Leaderboards.

If there are restrictions, bare in mind that there will be many top teams punished because 3 or more of the members (who are all friends) enjoy playing a particular class.

We should not punish player comps due to ArenaNet balance (or lack thereof).

As a matter of fact, I prefer when we have instances of 4-5 man Ele teams because it shines a harsher light on the balancing issues and will prompt the development team to act accordingly.

Obfuscating the glaring balance issue by creating flippant rules will only make matters worse. Because you will fix it in ESL, but the problem will still be running rampant in the ladder throughout the seasons.

Do not put a band-aid on a festering bullet wound.

I’d rather just remove class stacking completely. (Can only have 1 of each class in a team) Would lead to more diverse comps and builds in the games as people would have to create different builds for different roles they may potentially have to fill. But the requirement of at least 3 profs is definitely a step in the right direction.

Blu, I hope you know all of us watching esl tournies miss your casting so much, you did such a great job with it. We hope you’ll come back sometime!

Jasher.6580:

As a matter of fact, I prefer when we have instances of 4-5 man Ele teams because it shines a harsher light on the balancing issues and will prompt the development team to act accordingly.

Obfuscating the glaring balance issue by creating flippant rules will only make matters worse. Because you will fix it in ESL, but the problem will still be running rampant in the ladder throughout the seasons.

Do not put a band-aid on a festering bullet wound.

This completely. If 4 Ele’s couldn’t be used in ESL on a single team then we would have never been able to definitively prove there was a problem.

masskillerxploit.2165:

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

ESL should just make it 1 class per player per team. Example: ele, thief, mes, war, gaurd. No dbl ele no triple ele

That would be a bad idea. Anet doesn’t play the game, doesn’t listen to the right players, but they do watch tournaments. If they see that 1 class dominates everything then maybe they’ll do something. It’s our best chance.

Jasher.6580:

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

I don’t like this rule.

Reason: With leagues on the horizon, there are no restrictions with comps when ranking up in the Guild Team Leaderboards. Remember… they will also be using the leaderboards from each competitive season to help determine which teams will receive invitations to higher-tier tournament events.

If my friends and I play a 5 man Necro team and we have some success with it, we should be able to try out for ESL unhindered. There are no restrictions with the Guild Team Leaderboards.

If there are restrictions, bare in mind that there will be many top teams punished because 3 or more of the members (who are all friends) enjoy playing a particular class.

We should not punish player comps due to ArenaNet balance (or lack thereof).

As a matter of fact, I prefer when we have instances of 4-5 man Ele teams because it shines a harsher light on the balancing issues and will prompt the development team to act accordingly.

Obfuscating the glaring balance issue by creating flippant rules will only make matters worse. Because you will fix it in ESL, but the problem will still be running rampant in the ladder throughout the seasons.

Do not put a band-aid on a festering bullet wound.

Who’s to say what is or isn’t balanced? Take Five D/D eles vs 5 thieves for example. You’d be suprised who’d win and what the end score would be. I can also guarantee you that 5 wars would perform a whole lot less than either comp, while 5 Guards would perform better than the war but not by much.

Sorry to say, but the game isn’t balanced around class stacking. As a matter of fact, the game is more balanced in 1v1 than class stacking. It has to do with the function of the classes themselves.

I have no clue how the Devs percieve game balance. I can guarantee you that, in regards to team comp, they want to remove limitations. That said, I can also guarantee you that this game would be better balanced if each team consisted of only 1 unique class (or build).

It’s a double edged sword.

Saiyan.1704:

Who’s to say what is or isn’t balanced?

Common sense and game experience.

Take Five D/D eles vs 5 thieves for example. You’d be suprised who’d win and what the end score would be.

5 eles would win 500-0 as thieves can’t fight on point, what’s surprising about it? Thanks to the ele mobility even outrotating would be hard to do.

Sorry to say, but the game isn’t balanced around class stacking. As a matter of fact, the game is more balanced in 1v1 than class stacking. It has to do with the function of the classes themselves.

This part is a joke, sorry. Can you prevent class stacking? No. Then it should be balanced around class stacking, and it was balanced up until now. None of the other classes can stack 4-5 on a team and be decent – right now eles can, because ele is OP. EDIT: class stacking is fine actually as long as it’s not one of the best options or the same class fills different roles on the comp with different builds. When there is 1 build that’s great at everything and can be stacked there is a problem.

There is nothing to debate about it and no need to get philosophical, ele is broken and it’s a fact.

Please god let class stacking in tournaments.
There is no way to show how class are broken otherwise.

i wanted to play 5 power rangers its not possible now? Guess its OP class okay

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

If you have to limit useage of builds that have nothing to do with bugs that’s sad.
If every1 was on a different class coz of tourney rules anet would think their balance is good coz ingame where most of the ppl play its still a thing.

Kicker.8203:

Shockwave.1230:

masskillerxploit.2165:

New update to ESL: You can only use one class in each composition of 5 players. Choose wisely.

Lol, not quite, but there is a rule preventing the 4 ele team comp now

“3.11. League Specific Rules
Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions”

If you have to limit useage of builds that have nothing to do with bugs that’s sad.
If every1 was on a different class coz of tourney rules anet would think their balance is good coz ingame where most of the ppl play its still a thing.

I’m sure Anet notices when all Tournament are changing rules like this all of a sudden, there’s something wrong

The rule isn’t even needed, it’s literally just 1 profession they need it for, and they shouldn’t even have to do that if it would just get balanced already.

Just a band aid on a seemingly never ending problem.

Elementalist is the only one with vapour form in downed state and therefore the only one affected by the bug

meow one twenty.4376:

If 4 Ele’s couldn’t be used in ESL on a single team then we would have never been able to definitively prove there was a problem.

If ANet couldn’t realize how broken d/d cele ele was before this rule change, then there’s no hope for PvP in this game.

So, even ESL prO #eSport is limiting diversity?

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Man, this is getting funnier and funnier.

Tao.1234:

So, even ESL prO #eSport is limiting diversity?

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Man, this is getting funnier and funnier.

Aslong the source doesnt get fixed we have no other choice

I’m actually very happy with this.

Looking forward to next step such as banning certain builds or even classes.

Because reasons.

Enjoyable~ xD

Tao.1234:

I’m actually very happy with this.

Looking forward to next step such as banning certain builds or even classes.

Because reasons.

Enjoyable~ xD

Someone cant faceroll no more

Haha cheap bandaids are coming back and are staying for a really long time until boon hate becomes a real thing. I could say the same for PvE.

Sagat.3285:

Haha cheap bandaids are coming back and are staying for a really long time until boon hate becomes a real thing. I could say the same for PvE.

Boon hate? You mean Cele signet necro?

Shockwave.1230:

Sagat.3285:

Haha cheap bandaids are coming back and are staying for a really long time until boon hate becomes a real thing. I could say the same for PvE.

Boon hate? You mean Cele signet necro?

It’s not a real thing ele is not the only one providing AoE boons and cleansing hell if you try stacking 4 necros you probably would lose vs 4 eles. Until boon hate becomes a reliable and common counter especially in AoE format the bandaid train has no brakes. Same goes for PvE.

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

Josh Davis.6015:

T raw.4658:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules. As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.

Dun dun dunn.

Josh Davis.6015:

T raw.4658:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules.

Shouldn’t be. Ready my post above as to the why.

Josh Davis.6015:

T raw.4658:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules. As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.

It should not be against ESL rules. It needs to be revoked.

It is a great indicator on what class is way out of line. All for metrics.

Josh Davis.6015:

T raw.4658:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules. As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.

It’s a new ESL rule made to keep ele stacking at bay. There is no such role in Ranked and it’s happening, affecting a lot more people.

Josh Davis.6015:

T raw.4658:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules. As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.

Good to hear thx for the reply

Josh Davis.6015:

As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.

Are you going to fix Staff skills that works only 50% of the time like Gust and improve the auto attacks of scepter? Staff skills generally needs a speed boost, Scepter needs overall effectiveness increase or range increase for WvW. Churning earth shouldn’t take twice more time than a Killshot to cast to do twice less damage, or 3 times less damage than a shatter.

If you’re going to nerf d/d ele to the ground like you did with Turret engi could you please at least fix the other weapons?

BLUna.7928:

we will not be allowing Elementalists to use this runeset in upcoming Go4 Cups, including the one taking place tomorrow.

What’s a Go4 Cup and where do i sign up ?

Josh Davis.6015:

T raw.4658:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules. As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.

If it is against rules, then how will you be made aware of unbalanced classes? One might argue that seeing 4 on a team made the imbalance undeniably evident. Simply implementing a rule to hide the presence of an unbalanced system will cause is like putting a blindfold on.

Or do you plan on having blatantly imbalanced classes and there will only be 2 of the first tear class, then 2 of the second and 1 of the third? I suppose that’s a valid choice, but not in keeping with the philosphy that all classes should be able to provide something equally vital and effective to a party.

The rule is basically compensating for your balance inadequacies, kind of sloppy design and a poor bandaid fix.

Please address this concern.

FranzM.1298:

I don’t think they should nerf Elementalist just because one 4 ele team won a match, that is highly unfair. Also if the Elementalist is nerfed anymore they will not be playable at all :/ cause why put so much effort into damage when other classes can get the job done faster and easier. If people think elementalist are a faceroll class then they have not tried the new burn guardian builds have they. Actually burn anything! Burn builds are broken right.

By adjusting the burn damage and scaling itself everyone’s D/D Ele complaints would be answered drops mic

If they nerf the only build that doesn’t get you 1-shot by someone without buffing other builds I swear I’m never touching this game again. I mean come on, we get shattered from stealth for 16k+ damage, pewpew rangers do over 20k damage with quickness from 1500 range, burn guards have 6k burning ticks, yet again it’s the ele getting the nerf as usual.

Xillllix.3485:

FranzM.1298:

I don’t think they should nerf Elementalist just because one 4 ele team won a match, that is highly unfair. Also if the Elementalist is nerfed anymore they will not be playable at all :/ cause why put so much effort into damage when other classes can get the job done faster and easier. If people think elementalist are a faceroll class then they have not tried the new burn guardian builds have they. Actually burn anything! Burn builds are broken right.

By adjusting the burn damage and scaling itself everyone’s D/D Ele complaints would be answered drops mic

If they nerf the only build that doesn’t get you 1-shot by someone without buffing other builds I swear I’m never touching this game again. I mean come on, we get shattered from stealth for 16k+ damage, pewpew rangers do over 20k damage with quickness from 1500 range, burn guards have 6k burning ticks, yet again it’s the ele getting the nerf as usual.

Damage (and therefor sustained healing aswell) must be nerfed across the board to be honest.

Tao.1234:

I’m actually very happy with this.

Looking forward to next step such as banning certain builds or even classes.

Because reasons.

Enjoyable~ xD

Reasons are quite obvious since everyone from hj to wts knows that celestial eles are too much ez mode to allow them stacking so much

I wouldn’t even allow two of them considering how gamebreaking they are but then some teams (Like everyone) is probably gonna rage way too much bout this…so they still had to allow double dd comps in…

Josh Davis.6015:

T raw.4658:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?

I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules. As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.

With proper balance no comp should be viable on any level if stacking 4 ppl running same exact spec…not even same class….let alone actually being able to win an ESL with dat

But now after 1 year you’re finally looking into celestial eles…well still better than nothing i guess…

Xillllix.3485:

FranzM.1298:

I don’t think they should nerf Elementalist just because one 4 ele team won a match, that is highly unfair. Also if the Elementalist is nerfed anymore they will not be playable at all :/ cause why put so much effort into damage when other classes can get the job done faster and easier. If people think elementalist are a faceroll class then they have not tried the new burn guardian builds have they. Actually burn anything! Burn builds are broken right.

By adjusting the burn damage and scaling itself everyone’s D/D Ele complaints would be answered drops mic

If they nerf the only build that doesn’t get you 1-shot by someone without buffing other builds I swear I’m never touching this game again. I mean come on, we get shattered from stealth for 16k+ damage, pewpew rangers do over 20k damage with quickness from 1500 range, burn guards have 6k burning ticks, yet again it’s the ele getting the nerf as usual.

Because standing 1500 units off point, and hiding in stealth don’t cap and hold points for the victory?

forum bug yeeeeeeeeeeeeees