Guild Wars 2

Warning, this might get you ‘banned’, watch at your own risk.

disclaimer: I didnt do this, also ,this video is from 2012, yet, still relevant.

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” comes to mind here.

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

It really shows that ele was the first class designed, before MAJOR design changes in the game, and it never got updated to that new paradigm.

Did you already post this. I just saw this yesterday. Please no duplicate posts.

edit: nevermind someone else posted the same exact video yesterday. ha ha. create thief funny joke. Ele needs a revamp but not being meta after 2 years might be shocking I know.

I miss video about how to spam hearthseeker with style

Timston.1976:

Did you already post this. I just saw this yesterday. Please no duplicate posts.

Maybe someone else posted it? Im pretty sure all ele players are remembering this again since it is relevant once again, after all, we were useless for over a year (a LOT less than thieves, however, I guess we didnt whine and pout as much as they did hence why we werent heard)

1000% what SchmendrickTheMagician said:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Fortus.6175:

Warning, this might get you ‘banned’, watch at your own risk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

disclaimer: I didnt do this, also ,this video is from 2012, yet, still relevant.

I so remember that time when thief was so braindead op and ele a real challenge.

XxsdgxX.8109:

1000% what SchmendrickTheMagician said:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

It was George Santayana who originally said it, but yeah, a good quote nevertheless.

kuritsutian.2987:

XxsdgxX.8109:

1000% what SchmendrickTheMagician said:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

It was George Santayana who originally said it, but yeah, a good quote nevertheless.

Ya I know, just wanted to repeat that wonderful phrase.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” comes to mind here.

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

It really shows that ele was the first class designed, before MAJOR design changes in the game, and it never got updated to that new paradigm.

Its a pattern, they don’t take the holistic approach to balancing which is required. Its evident again with the current nerfs to eles and mesmers. And I doubt they will ever get it while certain designers are there.

bads dont realize that all you need on ele is equipping d/d and putting signet that heals on spell cast

after that you dont even need to target anything you just press 2345 while rotating your attunements and collecting free kills

Lexander.4579:

bads dont realize that all you need on ele is equipping d/d and putting signet that heals on spell cast

after that you dont even need to target anything you just press 2345 while rotating your attunements and collecting free kills

Lol

I don’t feel bad for eles after that longggg d/d cele meta and how strong tempest was for a whole season.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

That is a pretty myopic viewpoint you’ve got going there, half the classes in the game have design issues, for example anything that uses AI which is basically broken to various extents on virtually every class that uses it, of course for some classes that is less of an issue than others, but on classes where it plays a big part like Ranger, Mesmer, etc it is a big problem, that has existed the entire game.

You should also get off your whinebox when it comes to ele and the entire game, where ele has been “meta” in PvE & WvW pretty much the entire game, and faired pretty well in PvP with only really thief, guard and maybe engy faring better over the course of the last 3 years.

Whilst most other classes have overall been far more useless, in PvP ranger, necro, warrior, etc, WvW (half the classes basically unwanted for three years, whilst ele has been perma meta) and PvE where the likes of necro were basically unwanted for 3 years, whilst ele was always a top class to the point it got stacked, the sheer lack of perspective is pathetic.

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

That is a pretty myopic viewpoint you’ve got going there, half the classes in the game have design issues, for example anything that uses AI which is basically broken to various extents on virtually every class that uses it, of course for some classes that is less of an issue than others, but on classes where it plays a big part like Ranger, Mesmer, etc it is a big problem, that has existed the entire game.

You should also get off your whinebox when it comes to ele and the entire game, where ele has been “meta” in PvE & WvW pretty much the entire game,

You mean apart from that small period of 2 years when it wasn’t.

morrolan.9608:

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

That is a pretty myopic viewpoint you’ve got going there, half the classes in the game have design issues, for example anything that uses AI which is basically broken to various extents on virtually every class that uses it, of course for some classes that is less of an issue than others, but on classes where it plays a big part like Ranger, Mesmer, etc it is a big problem, that has existed the entire game.

You should also get off your whinebox when it comes to ele and the entire game, where ele has been “meta” in PvE & WvW pretty much the entire game,

You mean apart from that small period of 2 years when it wasn’t.

What? Do you actually read what you reply to? You can’t of even played the game if you think ele spent 2 years out of the meta in WvW or PvE, what do you think the E stood for in GWEN, engineer?

zinkz.7045:

morrolan.9608:

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

That is a pretty myopic viewpoint you’ve got going there, half the classes in the game have design issues, for example anything that uses AI which is basically broken to various extents on virtually every class that uses it, of course for some classes that is less of an issue than others, but on classes where it plays a big part like Ranger, Mesmer, etc it is a big problem, that has existed the entire game.

You should also get off your whinebox when it comes to ele and the entire game, where ele has been “meta” in PvE & WvW pretty much the entire game,

You mean apart from that small period of 2 years when it wasn’t.

What? Do you actually read what you reply to? You can’t of even played the game if you think ele spent 2 years out of the meta in WvW or PvE, what do you think the E stood for in GWEN, engineer?

It’s so cute of you to talk about PvE and WvW in PvP forums. Next time Necro complain about being useless in PvP, remind them how wonderful they are in WvW. Or remind Warriors how they are the top class in Raid.

That’s pretty much the history of the elementalist right there:
1- Realize you’re skills have huge lag and cooldown and do twice less damage than other classes
2- Equip a bunker amulet and traits because with anything else you get 1-shot by people pressing 1-1-1-1 or just pressing random keys spamming condis
2- Practice like an addict until you can master some crazy complicated combo with might blasting
3- Watch for a few months as people playing easier classes complain that you are OP
4- Get nerfed like hell (multiple times)
5- Stop playing for a few months the only viable build (because Anet made 75% of your skills and traits either useless or completely essential)
6- Make good suggestions to Anet to balance the class
7- Watch as they completely ignore you and buff one useless skill by 5%
8- Get buffed again (by accident)
9- Back to step 3 (repeat 5 times)
10- Try another class and realize that even if you’re having more success it’s just not what you wanted to play
11- leave the game for good

Sunshine.5014:

It’s so cute of you to talk about PvE and WvW in PvP forums. Next time Necro complain about being useless in PvP, remind them how wonderful they are in WvW. Or remind Warriors how they are the top class in Raid.

No dear, what is cute is your failing to comprehend why not just PvP is relevant when someone claims the class needs a HUGE redesign, when the class has pretty much been top 3 in PvE & WvW the entire game.

And that beyond that, in the part the person conveniently failed to quote when they replied to me, even in PvP ele has overall for the last 3 years faired better than every class except Guard, Thief & maybe Engy, rather than the delusional fantasy that “Anet constantly ignore ele, that the ele class needs a HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes”,.

If you want to go see classes with actual huge design issues then go look at ranger pets or how phantasms that go down in a couple of hits are supposed to be a mesmers sustained damage option, rather than a class that as a generalisation been strong across all game modes, including PvP, go ask rangers how long they’ve been meta in PvP, how long they spent completely unwanted, or necros who probably spent a grand total of 2 weeks after Dhumfire as meta, and the rest of the time at best as ‘a good option’, poor eles, such tears, such ignorance…

zinkz.7045:

Sunshine.5014:

It’s so cute of you to talk about PvE and WvW in PvP forums. Next time Necro complain about being useless in PvP, remind them how wonderful they are in WvW. Or remind Warriors how they are the top class in Raid.

No dear, what is cute is your failing to comprehend why not just PvP is relevant when someone claims the class needs a HUGE redesign, when the class has pretty much been top 3 in PvE & WvW the entire game.

No, it’s cute how YOU don’t realize that balance or class design does not matter in pve. All that matters in pve is damage per second. PVP isn’t as easy as that. You can have the most DPS and still be completely unviable in pvp.

And that’s why no developer balances classes for pve (they balance dps across classes), they balance classes’ kits around pvp.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

No, it’s cute how YOU don’t realize that balance or class design does not matter in pve.

Clueless…

But let’s forget that and concentrate on what you keep avoiding, other than guard, thief and maybe engy, over the last three years ele has faired better in PvP than the other classes, that is the reality as opposed to your deluded tear filled fantasy of the plight of ele in PvP over the life of this game.

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

No, it’s cute how YOU don’t realize that balance or class design does not matter in pve.

Clueless…

But let’s forget that and concentrate on what you keep avoiding, other than guard, thief and maybe engy, over the last three years ele has faired better in PvP than the other classes, that is the reality as opposed to your deluded tear filled fantasy of the plight of ele in PvP over the life of this game.

Ridiculous logic.

It’s like you say in the last 500 years, Caucasians have faired much better than their dark skin neighbors. Now let’s give them an extra 25% tax, nerf them to the ground because they were good before.

The goal is to make the current system fair. It doesn’t matter if Ele was good before or not.

Tempest was only there because it could heal bunker mesmers and viper revenant on last mesmer. And they were easily replaced by Scrappers in that matter.

And in WvW, they are good because of water and fired fields and CC without target limits.

In PvE, they are good because fields with AI staying immobile or barely moving out of the fields.

Ele was good in the past because they gave us tools to counter the design flaws. Now those are gone and instead of another quick fix it would be nice if the class got the work it needs. I think that is what was meant

I think discussing on the general forum is rather pointless, under no circumstances you will gather support from such hateful community and their “revenge nerfs” mentality.
I’d limit any balance discussion regarding ele in the sub-forum..or even reddit but not here. Pls understand that non ele players are more than happy to see another profession down in the dirt as they care not about any competitive environment to start with.

Sunshine.5014:

Ridiculous logic.

It’s like you say in the last 500 years, Caucasians have faired much better than their dark skin neighbors. Now let’s give them an extra 25% tax, nerf them to the ground because they were good before.

The goal is to make the current system fair. It doesn’t matter if Ele was good before or not.

Wrong, because what he claimed and what my points stem from was that "Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs a HUGE redesign’, so this supposed sad state of ele is not a new thing, it is a long ongoing issue.

But anyway, sure let’s keep it more recent, what do we have, well we had cele ele as the strongest most broken build in the game for many months to the point ESL had to a bring in a rule to limit class stacking, it got nerfed it was still strong, then HoT hit and we had tempest still a very strong top tier meta build, and we’ve had two days since the patch and there is no meta yet, so what’s he complaining about?

Maybe he means that when it comes to high level / meta, eles are forced into certain amulets, or certain trait lines, poor eles, what a unique situation that no other class ever faces…

Wow what’s with the anger?
Ele was good in the past because they gave us tools to counter the design flaws. Now those are gone and instead of another quick fix it would be nice if the class got the work it needs. I think that is what was meant

Keadron.9570:

Wow what’s with the anger?
Ele was good in the past because they gave us tools to counter the design flaws. Now those are gone and instead of another quick fix it would be nice if the class got the work it needs. I think that is what was meant

Two thirds of the classes, half the mechanics, half the maps and so on could do with a rework, there is no special disregard of ele from Anet, despite what he may claim.

P.S – since when was disagreeing, stating a fact or pointing out what people claimed, anger? Maybe stop projecting?

Everyone knows all classes need work I don’t think that has been argued. His point was the Cele amulet covered them for ele and now that it’s gone instead of it coming back like last time if the class could be fixed
PS no anger to project was just trying to help

Keadron.9570:

Everyone knows all classes need work I don’t think that has been argued.

What he argued was “Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes”.

Which is of course nonsense, ele whatever way you look at it, be it over the last three years or more recently, say the last 9 months, has been more viable than most classes in PvP and equally locked to certain trait lines or amulets as some other classes (thief for example), there is nothing special about the predicament of ele, whatever the issues of the class it has still been in a better state, a better position than most and has no more issues than most other classes.

So to claim ele is constantly ignored and needs work to feel “as viable and versatile as other classes” is not only a long way from the reality, it shows a comical level of bias.

It’s funny how all the eles complain when they are still not in as bad place as warriors, even after getting nerfed hard.

Xillllix.3485:

That’s pretty much the history of the elementalist right there:
1- Realize you’re skills have huge lag and cooldown and do twice less damage than other classes
2- Equip a bunker amulet and traits because with anything else you get 1-shot by people pressing 1-1-1-1 or just pressing random keys spamming condis
2- Practice like an addict until you can master some crazy complicated combo with might blasting
3- Watch for a few months as people playing easier classes complain that you are OP
4- Get nerfed like hell (multiple times)
5- Stop playing for a few months the only viable build (because Anet made 75% of your skills and traits either useless or completely essential)
6- Make good suggestions to Anet to balance the class
7- Watch as they completely ignore you and buff one useless skill by 5%
8- Get buffed again (by accident)
9- Back to step 3 (repeat 5 times)
10- Try another class and realize that even if you’re having more success it’s just not what you wanted to play
11- leave the game for good

Nice posting that feels true :-/. But i am not in long enough and won´t give up.
Also ele is not so bad. Its more a mess that needs a trait, utility and weapon overhaul… Even not all new. ITs a lot of number tweaks taht can do it. Just someone has to sit down for a while and have the eggs to push it trough …

Ele is the only class where “core traits” (Arcane based on attunement swap) don’t match with specialisation (Tempest, based on “I don’t swap because overload”)

That’s a pretty good design imho, despite specialization is boring as hell.

Fresh air…. all you need is a bit of fresh air to feel powerful again Try it.

Yasi.9065:

Fresh air…. all you need is a bit of fresh air to feel powerful again Try it.

Yay, i love how my burst tickle som professions. So much power ! wow !

Playing Fresh air with that condi-based balance is some kind of suicide imo.

Why is it people think fresh air builds are all about dps? I never understood that.

Yasi.9065:

Why is it people think fresh air builds are all about dps? I never understood that.

Don’t know, maybe cause of Marauder Amy, offensives runes, no mobility, poor and long CD defensive spells, whole damage designed trait and CC burst opening ?

But please, telle me how a fresh air could be built out of damage basis ?

Browrain.7346:

I don’t feel bad for eles after that longggg d/d cele meta and how strong tempest was for a whole season.

This is what’s wrong with people, exactly this!

Basically they just want revenge, as simple as that.

Thieves were in the meta from release until HoT, that is THREE YEARS, they are not in meta for three months and they whine and pout like crybabys, Anet gives in.

Eles were useless for a YEAR AND A HALF , with absolutely 0 representation in any ESL team for an entire season, yet we get the shaft once again, by Anet, and the community that only wants revenge.

Xillllix.3485:

That’s pretty much the history of the elementalist right there:
1- Realize you’re skills have huge lag and cooldown and do twice less damage than other classes
2- Equip a bunker amulet and traits because with anything else you get 1-shot by people pressing 1-1-1-1 or just pressing random keys spamming condis
2- Practice like an addict until you can master some crazy complicated combo with might blasting
3- Watch for a few months as people playing easier classes complain that you are OP
4- Get nerfed like hell (multiple times)
5- Stop playing for a few months the only viable build (because Anet made 75% of your skills and traits either useless or completely essential)
6- Make good suggestions to Anet to balance the class
7- Watch as they completely ignore you and buff one useless skill by 5%
8- Get buffed again (by accident)
9- Back to step 3 (repeat 5 times)
10- Try another class and realize that even if you’re having more success it’s just not what you wanted to play
11- leave the game for good

I stopped at 2. If you tell me skill rotations on ele are complex i dont know what to answer. It is very easy as you can do the same every single fight, not reacting at your opponent at all and still win. And yes i played ele, about a thousand ranked matches. It is not a hard class. Allthough anet seems to be able to to balance it, it was always a cele class and of course its on a weak spot now.

Ele was hard, cause to use it at it plain potential you have to use weapon skills in a very calculated way.

But against medium level team, the skillcap to be effective with your ele was medium too (considering, lineback skills which demand parcimony).

It was a very rich gameplay based class before hot (and burning up)

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

That is a pretty myopic viewpoint you’ve got going there, half the classes in the game have design issues, for example anything that uses AI which is basically broken to various extents on virtually every class that uses it, of course for some classes that is less of an issue than others, but on classes where it plays a big part like Ranger, Mesmer, etc it is a big problem, that has existed the entire game.

You should also get off your whinebox when it comes to ele and the entire game, where ele has been “meta” in PvE & WvW pretty much the entire game, and faired pretty well in PvP with only really thief, guard and maybe engy faring better over the course of the last 3 years.

Whilst most other classes have overall been far more useless, in PvP ranger, necro, warrior, etc, WvW (half the classes basically unwanted for three years, whilst ele has been perma meta) and PvE where the likes of necro were basically unwanted for 3 years, whilst ele was always a top class to the point it got stacked, the sheer lack of perspective is pathetic.

A strong argument can be made that overall ele has been the top class in spvp measuring average strength over the life span of the game. No other class has been stacked more in general at high levels of play at any given time and they have been out of meta the least. In theory all classes should have at least one meta build at any time if the game was balanced correctly but I find the current ele tears a little juicy personally. The people that had it the best are always going to cry the most when the nerf stick hits and they are on the bottom for a bit.

It could also be the ele is just fun to play. That’s why I use it On the other hand ele spent a year being completely useless everywhere
PS the classes who are just out for revenge will be the ones to gloat and say thing like ele crying

I remember watching this for the first time in 2012, how time has flown by!

Keadron.9570:

It could also be the ele is just fun to play. That’s why I use it On the other hand ele spent a year being completely useless everywhere
PS the classes who are just out for revenge will be the ones to gloat and say thing like ele crying

Spiteful people. Nobody likes to be objective it would seem. " Eles have been out of the meta the least" BS, just pure BS, thieves are the ones. Nobody seems to remember the time were Eles were out of the meta completely for over a year and a half, back when the ICD on cleansing waters, or when they were out for ~4 months when they buffed thieves/mesmers to OP levels…. the game have been out for 3 years and a half…that means we have been out of the meta almost have half of the time has existed…. and now we might be for a while, yet again.

Im a multiclasser, with focus on ele/guardian, but it saddens me that people refuse to get on other people’s shoes to see how it is like for them.

Good for thieves, they got some buffs, spoiled little brats… they are out of the meta for a few months and all their combined whining and pouting gets them a place back because I guess they were very vocal about it (and personally, I person who likes to steal, back stab, deceive, enrage other people tells me a lot of their personality and how rotten they might be deep down if they enjoy that so…).

Oh well, we will see, only time will tell. For the time being, I too will be vocal and obnoxious until the devs give in too us too.

XxsdgxX.8109:

1000% what SchmendrickTheMagician said:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Was that a “The Last Unicorn” reference?

If so, my mind has been blown that someone else has even heard of this film.

sephiroth.4217:

XxsdgxX.8109:

1000% what SchmendrickTheMagician said:

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Was that a “The Last Unicorn” reference?

If so, my mind has been blown that someone else has even heard of this film.

Thats a quote of George Santayana, 1863-1952

Sunshine.5014:

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

No, it’s cute how YOU don’t realize that balance or class design does not matter in pve.

Clueless…

But let’s forget that and concentrate on what you keep avoiding, other than guard, thief and maybe engy, over the last three years ele has faired better in PvP than the other classes, that is the reality as opposed to your deluded tear filled fantasy of the plight of ele in PvP over the life of this game.

Ridiculous logic.

It’s like you say in the last 500 years, Caucasians have faired much better than their dark skin neighbors. Now let’s give them an extra 25% tax, nerf them to the ground because they were good before.

The goal is to make the current system fair. It doesn’t matter if Ele was good before or not.

This.

At at the end of the day, its a video game. Why are people getting up in arms about their classes like they were their family? They feel that their angst towards the class justifies their desire to want to see it needed into the ground.

That being said, this salt is tre amusing :^).

brannigan.9831:

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

That is a pretty myopic viewpoint you’ve got going there, half the classes in the game have design issues, for example anything that uses AI which is basically broken to various extents on virtually every class that uses it, of course for some classes that is less of an issue than others, but on classes where it plays a big part like Ranger, Mesmer, etc it is a big problem, that has existed the entire game.

You should also get off your whinebox when it comes to ele and the entire game, where ele has been “meta” in PvE & WvW pretty much the entire game, and faired pretty well in PvP with only really thief, guard and maybe engy faring better over the course of the last 3 years.

Whilst most other classes have overall been far more useless, in PvP ranger, necro, warrior, etc, WvW (half the classes basically unwanted for three years, whilst ele has been perma meta) and PvE where the likes of necro were basically unwanted for 3 years, whilst ele was always a top class to the point it got stacked, the sheer lack of perspective is pathetic.

A strong argument can be made that overall ele has been the top class in spvp measuring average strength over the life span of the game. No other class has been stacked more in general at high levels of play at any given time and they have been out of meta the least. In theory all classes should have at least one meta build at any time if the game was balanced correctly but I find the current ele tears a little juicy personally. The people that had it the best are always going to cry the most when the nerf stick hits and they are on the bottom for a bit.

Hello? You weren’t around the time when people stacked up to 4 warriors?

Laraley.7695:

brannigan.9831:

zinkz.7045:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Ridiculous how Anet constantly ignore that the ele class needs HUGE redesign to ever feel as viable and versatile as other classes nowadays do.

That is a pretty myopic viewpoint you’ve got going there, half the classes in the game have design issues, for example anything that uses AI which is basically broken to various extents on virtually every class that uses it, of course for some classes that is less of an issue than others, but on classes where it plays a big part like Ranger, Mesmer, etc it is a big problem, that has existed the entire game.

You should also get off your whinebox when it comes to ele and the entire game, where ele has been “meta” in PvE & WvW pretty much the entire game, and faired pretty well in PvP with only really thief, guard and maybe engy faring better over the course of the last 3 years.

Whilst most other classes have overall been far more useless, in PvP ranger, necro, warrior, etc, WvW (half the classes basically unwanted for three years, whilst ele has been perma meta) and PvE where the likes of necro were basically unwanted for 3 years, whilst ele was always a top class to the point it got stacked, the sheer lack of perspective is pathetic.

A strong argument can be made that overall ele has been the top class in spvp measuring average strength over the life span of the game. No other class has been stacked more in general at high levels of play at any given time and they have been out of meta the least. In theory all classes should have at least one meta build at any time if the game was balanced correctly but I find the current ele tears a little juicy personally. The people that had it the best are always going to cry the most when the nerf stick hits and they are on the bottom for a bit.

Hello? You weren’t around the time when people stacked up to 4 warriors?

Those days were fun though! Back then Soldier/Cele HamBow actually took more effort to function than DH and Bunker builds of season 1

Browrain.7346:

I don’t feel bad for eles after that longggg d/d cele meta and how strong tempest was for a whole season.

Absolutely, because what’s really important here is not having a balanced game, but pulling down our pants and taking a big kitten on the class that was dominating other classes with a build of broken mechanics in the previous 3 months by performing “game balance” and creating a new build of broken mechanics for a different class to use for the next 3 months.