Guild Wars 2

I posted this in Profession Balance and I think it concerns people here too. Really need to get this information to the attention of the community.

This is a big concern that has been a major problem for too long. Elementalist able to use mist form and Engineer using Elixir S to shrink themselves and avoid all damage while finishing a player off is a unfair advantage. Thieves in stealth can still be aoed by allies when they are trying to down a player. However these two moves being used while finishing prevent all damage and crowd control. This is an obvious bug and its a bit disgusting how everyone uses it.

This has made PvP littered with engineers and elementalist for this advantage. These two moves should not be abled to finish a player when activated. When trying to down a player all other moves should be unusable or you interrupt the channeling. If you use a move before hand that gives stability or dose blind then that’s fine. However if mist form or Elixir S is used then the player should not be able to downed as all of their skills are taken away. These moves are for avoiding damage. They should stay that way and not make an unfair advantage of creating an unblockable finisher. There is nothing that can be done to stop them from finishing an ally.

To the community at large. Please use this move as it was intended. To avoid damage for a brief period of time. People who use these moves to do an unblockable finisher and cheating and they know it. I doubt I will convince anyone but if you have honor and believe in a fair fight then don’t use these moves to finish.

This comes after fighting an engineer who claims he was playing for the first time in sPvP. I argued with him for a while and he learned to use the move while watching a Youtube video. We should not teach new players to use cheap tricks just to get ahead.

Working as Intended. Shall we also complain about Warriors using both stances to stomp, Mesmers using Distortion, Guardians using shields…

those are not bugs, but working as intended.

the elementalist does not have
- warrior’s healing signet
- highest health pool
- heavy armor

so they have 3 seconds of mist form, with 75 seconds cool down or 60 seconds if traited.

sounds fair to me.

as for the engineer, well,
3 seconds duration
60 seconds cool down or 48 seconds if traited

do remember that it takes 3 full seconds to stomp someone so if they activated one second earlier there is still a one second window to stop them.

A lot of eles and engis don’t even take these skills. And while they avoid all damage/CC/negative effects, they can’t do any damage back to you.

all another classes can use stability for stomping. And you forgot mesmer’s F4 skill and portal-stomping trick , so you add mesmer to your list of OP cheater professions!!!
P.S. War can use stability+endure pain – another cheater! Now I will ask all people at sPvP match don’t use stability because I can not interrupt them and it’s mean they are unfair people

You can still deny such a stomp by stealthing the downed guy btw.

For the Eles its not them being honorless knaves and “cheating,” its a tradeoff. They’re sacrificing a major defensive ability on a 75s cooldown for the sake of ONE stomp. They can’t do that again (and are locked out of a utility) for over a minute.

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Anton.1769:

all another classes can use stability for stomping. And you forgot mesmer’s F4 skill and portal-stomping trick , so you add mesmer to your list of OP cheater professions!!!
P.S. War can use stability+endure pain – another cheater! Now I will ask all people at sPvP match don’t use stability because I can not interrupt them and it’s mean they are unfair people

Boons can be ripped.. there is nothing you can do vs mist form

EverythingEnds.4261:

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Warr stances are long cooldown also.. And you need to blow more to get the same.. And even then its still possible to remove stability boon

The counter to elixir and mist stomping is stealth. Hello and welcome to the game.

Pyriall.5027:

The counter to elixir and mist stomping is stealth. Hello and welcome to the game.

… only 2 classes can stealth others. Not sure if thats a solid counter

OP mentions invulnerable stomps can’t be countered.

They can be. Thief and Mesmer and Ele have their down skill 2. Also thief, Mesmer, and engineer can stealth downed targets making them immune to stomps. Also quick response strategies like Ranger elite, engi elixir, mercy rune rezing, warbanner , etc. All Counter invulnerable stomps.

There are actually a ton of ways to stop an invulnerable stomp:
1. Stealth.
2. Rez utilities/elites (nature spirit, banner rez, elixir R, glyph rez, illusion of life, etc)
3. Manual rezzing (if you’re watching closely you’ll see your ally go down and immediately start to rez him. If there’s no cleave you’ll rez him before the stomp finishes.)
4. Quickness rez (even if cleave damage is coming in you can get him up in time)
5. Mercy rune rez (it’s fast. Like really fast. Combine with quickness for near-instant rezzes)
6. Double rez (also fast).
7. Not getting downed.
8. Being a thief, mesmer, or ele.

nicknamenick.2437:

Pyriall.5027:

The counter to elixir and mist stomping is stealth. Hello and welcome to the game.

… only 2 classes can stealth others. Not sure if thats a solid counter

3 professions can stealth and that’s more than an adequate counter to the 2 professions who can elixir and mist stomp.

nicknamenick.2437:

Anton.1769:

all another classes can use stability for stomping. And you forgot mesmer’s F4 skill and portal-stomping trick , so you add mesmer to your list of OP cheater professions!!!
P.S. War can use stability+endure pain – another cheater! Now I will ask all people at sPvP match don’t use stability because I can not interrupt them and it’s mean they are unfair people

Boons can be ripped.. there is nothing you can do vs mist form

I newer saw situation where someone was in stomping with stability and in these 3 sec his stability was ripped and after he was interrupted. Look likes fairy tale

nicknamenick.2437:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Warr stances are long cooldown also.. And you need to blow more to get the same.. And even then its still possible to remove stability boon

I never said anything about warriors.
In addition:
I don’t know about Elixir S, but Mistform makes you lose a point. In addition, while using Elixir S / Mistform, eles & engis aren’t able to use other skill. Pretty much the opposite to warriors running around on points, hammerswinging, while being immune to everything thanks to 3 stances at the same time.

Reaching an immunity time of 4s with distortion, requires a Mesmer to have illusionary persona (30 pts into illusions-line) and in addition, having 3 illusions up to sacrifice. Using distortion takes away a big part of a Mesmers offensive potential, since they either rely on phantasms, or clones for shatters and also makes them unable to hold a point. Not to mention that Berserker Stance also refills a Warriors Andrenaline and there even increases their offensive potential.

Yes, Elixir S, Mistform and Distortion are better for savestomping than 3 stances, but there are also lot of situations where the stances are better.

Edit: @ Anton: that’s actually possible. Shattermes can rip boons within a whimp and interrupt you with another shatter.

=_= Welcome to pvp!
Distortion Stomps
Portal Stomps.
Phase Retreat+Blink stomps.
Shadow Step Stomps

More creative, “Unfair” advantages.
If you’re sad that your faceroll warrior ;_; qq
Doesn’t have a guarunteed stomp on a 60-90 second cooldown,
well…………. tough luck buddy.

EverythingEnds.4261:

nicknamenick.2437:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Warr stances are long cooldown also.. And you need to blow more to get the same.. And even then its still possible to remove stability boon

Edit: @ Anton: that’s actually possible. Shattermes can rip boons within a whimp and interrupt you with another shatter.

Sure it’s possible, but you need:
1) be a shatter mesmer
2) have no cd at shatters
3) be near enemie at 240 distance
4) enemie must have stability icon in good for you place at buff line
5)you must see stabilty and don’t fail interrupt into it
6)use interrupt skill (which means it not has cd and your weapon swap has no cd)
7)don’t fail all this and do it in 3 sec

Sorry but this needs to be said: yet another thread with a bad player complaining about stuff that he should instead learn to counter instead of complaining.

You claim that PVP is “littered with engis and eles” because of mist form and Elixir S? Laughable. Most don’t even carry those skills. And they still have to down you in order to take advantage of invulnerable stomping you, it doesn’t magically put you in the down state. And it’s hardly any different from stealth or stability or blind stomping.

I say this as an engi who never carries any elixirs nowadays but uses the blind on the flamethrower to stomp an enemy. Maybe you’re going to complain about that too next.

Anton.1769:

EverythingEnds.4261:

nicknamenick.2437:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Warr stances are long cooldown also.. And you need to blow more to get the same.. And even then its still possible to remove stability boon

Edit: @ Anton: that’s actually possible. Shattermes can rip boons within a whimp and interrupt you with another shatter.

Sure it’s possible, but you need:
1) be a shatter mesmer
2) have no cd at shatters
3) be near enemie at 240 distance
4) enemie must have stability icon in good for you place at buff line
5)you must see stabilty and don’t fail interrupt into it
6)use interrupt skill (which means it not has cd and your weapon swap has no cd)
7)don’t fail all this and do it in 3 sec

Step 1: start rezzing your teammate
Step 2: see e.g. warrior starting stomp
Step 3: Mirror Images + Mindwrack / Cry of Frustration / Distorion —> remove up to 5 boons almost instant
Step 4: Diversion
^
Without even stopping rezzing your ally.
A good shatter Mes wont fail to do a shattercombo within 3s.
Nevertheless, you are right, that it actually requires some resources.

Anton.1769:

nicknamenick.2437:

Anton.1769:

all another classes can use stability for stomping. And you forgot mesmer’s F4 skill and portal-stomping trick , so you add mesmer to your list of OP cheater professions!!!
P.S. War can use stability+endure pain – another cheater! Now I will ask all people at sPvP match don’t use stability because I can not interrupt them and it’s mean they are unfair people

Boons can be ripped.. there is nothing you can do vs mist form

I newer saw situation where someone was in stomping with stability and in these 3 sec his stability was ripped and after he was interrupted. Look likes fairy tale

I do this pretty regularly on my corruptionmancer. Corrupt stability to fear = stomp interrupted.

Anton.1769:

EverythingEnds.4261:

nicknamenick.2437:

EverythingEnds.4261:

Mist Form, Elixir S and Distortion have very long CDs, so you actually sacrifice a very good Oh kitten button to get a stomp.

This has nothing to do with cheating or “cheap tricks”.

Warr stances are long cooldown also.. And you need to blow more to get the same.. And even then its still possible to remove stability boon

Edit: @ Anton: that’s actually possible. Shattermes can rip boons within a whimp and interrupt you with another shatter.

Sure it’s possible, but you need:
1) be a shatter mesmer
2) have no cd at shatters
3) be near enemie at 240 distance
4) enemie must have stability icon in good for you place at buff line
5)you must see stabilty and don’t fail interrupt into it
6)use interrupt skill (which means it not has cd and your weapon swap has no cd)
7)don’t fail all this and do it in 3 sec

or you use “steal”

people attempting to argue that its working as intended, ask yourself why you can’t start the stomp while in mist form or shrank.
if it were intended then you’d be able to start the stomp while using them, i just think they forgot to make those skills cancel stomping.

imho the should give them really short .25 sec cast times (which would cancel the stomp) so they can’t be exploited for godmode-stomping.

Liewec.2896:

people attempting to argue that its working as intended, ask yourself why you can’t start the stomp while in mist form or shrank.
if it were intended then you’d be able to start the stomp while using them, i just think they forgot to make those skills cancel stomping.

imho the should give them really short .25 sec cast times (which would cancel the stomp) so they can’t be exploited for godmode-stomping.

I can’t even…

@OP
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/

It’s free, you should give it a try. Thanks!

Veydar.5017:

@OP
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/

It’s free, you should give it a try. Thanks!

thx you advice him LoL, because if advice Dota – it will be 100 topics per day at forums xD

Its not a complaint I just believe that these skills should function this way. Normaly in Mist form or Elixir S you can’t do any moves what so ever. Its just used as an evade. If these skills are functioning as intended then Necromancers should be able to stomp in Shadow Form. If your turned into a Moa you should be able to stomp. And a Ranger pet should be able to stomp.

The fact that you have to trigger the moves during the channeling of a stomp is proof enough that these skills are not intended to be used like that. And though there are counter for it seems like the chances of a perfect counter are not only going to be found. And the suggestion of “don’t die play better” is a stupid suggestion.

if you are downed you deserve to be stomped xD

Almoryk Kane.6085:

Its not a complaint I just believe that these skills should function this way.

If this isn’t even a complaint, why are we talking about this?

There are bazillions of bugs / issues in pvp players ARE complaining about. So maybe we / ANet should focus on those.

And btw.: If I remember right, when you get turned into a moa while stomping, the stomp also wont be cancelled…and ranger pets stomping makes absolutly no sense.

Liewec.2896:

ask yourself why you can’t start the stomp while shrank.
if it were intended then you’d be able to start the stomp while using them, i just think they forgot to make those skills cancel stomping.

Actually you can. Your argument is invalid.

Better tell me why stealthing cancels stomp. Body it still here, you know. All other channels work on stealthed targets if you used them before stealth was applied, why stomp doesn’t?
Maybe this is a bug, maybe it is time to stop that hilarious abusing of shadow refuge, a skill that is actually taken by everyone and belongs to top-tier pvp profession?

Do you really think that if these skills weren’t intended to be used like that Anet wouldn’t have ‘fixed’ them already since the game has been out for almost 2 years now?

Like others said..

- they are skills on a relatively long cooldown
- they can be countered
- it counts like you are not on the point while you are invulnerable so you also risk losing the point
- it doesn’t work againts ele, thief and mesmer since they can move away
- other classes have their own tricks to stomp and if they are done correctly they can be even harder to stop than elixir S and mistform
- there aren’t as many ele and engi in pvp as you say. I would say engi is among the less played classes and half of those if not more don’t even use elixir S. I see a lot more warriors and necros than engis and eles.

I honestly doubt ppl play engis and eles because of their ‘superior’ stomp capabilities.

Spindelhalla.2139:

Do you really think that if these skills weren’t intended to be used like that Anet wouldn’t have ‘fixed’ them already since the game has been out for almost 2 years now?

I’m on your side. However, if you really believe, this is a proper argument, you obviously never have played mesmer…

Almoryk Kane.6085:

The fact that you have to trigger the moves during the channeling of a stomp is proof enough that these skills are not intended to be used like that. And though there are counter for it seems like the chances of a perfect counter are not only going to be found. And the suggestion of “don’t die play better” is a stupid suggestion.

When you use elixir you can channel the stomp, but it obviously won’t be guaranteed since it will run out 1 second before the actual stomp occurs. so no- Working as intended

Almoryk Kane.6085:

Its not a complaint I just believe that these skills should function this way. Normaly in Mist form or Elixir S you can’t do any moves what so ever. Its just used as an evade. If these skills are functioning as intended then Necromancers should be able to stomp in Shadow Form. If your turned into a Moa you should be able to stomp. And a Ranger pet should be able to stomp.

Necromancers can stomp in Death Shroud. My necro runs around in sPvP with Foot in the Grave getting stability stomps like nobody’s business. It also works for ressing. It’s quite strong, really, as you can also cast Doom in the middle of the stomp or res to prevent other enemies from interfering. Pets can assist rangers who are stomping. All the ranger needs is a Forest Spider to throw poison on the downed or a Wolf to AoE fear potential enemy ressers and the brain capacity to hit F2 while they channel a stomp. Mist Form and Elixir S prevent point capture, lock out utilities and weapon skills, and have long CDs. They’re fine as is. To say that either of these skills gives those classes an “unfair advantage” in PvP is absurd.

Almoryk Kane.6085:

Its not a complaint I just believe that these skills should function this way. Normaly in Mist form or Elixir S you can’t do any moves what so ever. Its just used as an evade. If these skills are functioning as intended then Necromancers should be able to stomp in Shadow Form. If your turned into a Moa you should be able to stomp. And a Ranger pet should be able to stomp.

You can actually stomp in all of these forms, except for ranger pet cause that’s just dumb. You can even stomp in plague form for necro.

Anton.1769:

nicknamenick.2437:

Anton.1769:

all another classes can use stability for stomping. And you forgot mesmer’s F4 skill and portal-stomping trick , so you add mesmer to your list of OP cheater professions!!!
P.S. War can use stability+endure pain – another cheater! Now I will ask all people at sPvP match don’t use stability because I can not interrupt them and it’s mean they are unfair people

Boons can be ripped.. there is nothing you can do vs mist form

I newer saw situation where someone was in stomping with stability and in these 3 sec his stability was ripped and after he was interrupted. Look likes fairy tale

Thief pressing f1 to accomplish all this at once and instantly says hello!

I think black powder is more of an issue. Blinds all stomp defense and any team mate seeking to pull/push/KD/stun the thief from stomping also become blinded as well. As far as I am aware it is the hard counter to all down state defense. Instantly repeatable if enough initiative is available. I am not sure if it needs to be nerfed, it is just one of those things. One smoke ring to rule them all.

Almoryk Kane.6085:

The fact that you have to trigger the moves during the channeling of a stomp is proof enough that these skills are not intended to be used like that. And though there are counter for it seems like the chances of a perfect counter are not only going to be found. And the suggestion of “don’t die play better” is a stupid suggestion.

ok better suggestion.

Go play more, get better, and die less..

Or.

Go play league of legends and complain about dying there…

OORRrr..

Go play an Ele and come back and tell us how easy they were for you to play,

You wont if you cant do the first suggestion..

Ele being one of the stronger classes is healthy for the game b/c its not easy for someone to pick up and win with.

Most ppl have been so spoiled by Warrior, Ranger, and Engi that they don’t know how to fight an Ele or how to play one. It’s not an easy class to learn and when played well is not an easy class to fight, so of course when its viable ppl scream like babies to nerf it.

lol

Anton.1769:

Veydar.5017:

@OP
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/

It’s free, you should give it a try. Thanks!

thx you advice him LoL, because if advice Dota – it will be 100 topics per day at forums xD

pretty sure that both games are better than gw2 at basically everything and have a playerbase which is more than 10, probably more than a 100 times as big as gw2’s (pvp).
Even HoN has an amazingly large playerbase compared to gw2.

This is a troll post.
Stop feeding the troll.

Almoryk Kane.6085:

This has made PvP littered with engineers and elementalist for this advantage.

Oh yes, there are way too many elementalists and engineers in PvP because of these two skills. Never mind all the Hambow warriors, Minion master necros, Permastealth thieves, AoE spam engineers… And there is a counterplay btw. A downed person who is stealthed can’t be finished, so a good thief could stealth them in time. Ofc, the downed person will probably break the stealth immediately because of reasons.

Seriously you don’t pvp much do you?
There’re SO MANY WAYS to counter this so-called invincible stomp.

Any invisibility will suddenly make all stomps unable to work.
You can use thief, mesmer, engineer to freely cancel stomp.
Ele has skills to move away from stomp.
Mesmer can invisible, switch location and avoid one stomp.
Thief can switch location AND invisible to cancel TWO stomps.
Warrior can stand up with 3 if they leave your corpse unattended for too long.
Guardian can instantly use kb to push them back b4 they can start their stomp.

Erzian.5218:

Anton.1769:

Veydar.5017:

@OP
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/

It’s free, you should give it a try. Thanks!

thx you advice him LoL, because if advice Dota – it will be 100 topics per day at forums xD

pretty sure that both games are better than gw2 at basically everything and have a playerbase which is more than 10, probably more than a 100 times as big as gw2’s (pvp).
Even HoN has an amazingly large playerbase compared to gw2.

Hey go play it already, stop posting.
I’m not trying to stop you.
It’s so good right?

As a warrior, I’d like to state that one shouldn’t be using any stances to get a stomp unless it’s absolutely nessesary and the only stance would be balanced due to outside cc.
Also when it comes to engis or eles that one utility is usually their only stun break (mainly on engis) or not even taken at all. You take a big risk doing that which is why these classes are not designated stompers nor should they even think they should stop fighting to perform this in team fights.
In a 1v1 situation, just dodge downstate interupts, no point wasting utilities for that crap.

Solori.6025:

Almoryk Kane.6085:

The fact that you have to trigger the moves during the channeling of a stomp is proof enough that these skills are not intended to be used like that. And though there are counter for it seems like the chances of a perfect counter are not only going to be found. And the suggestion of “don’t die play better” is a stupid suggestion.

ok better suggestion.

Go play more, get better, and die less..

Or.

Go play league of legends and complain about dying there…

OORRrr..

Go play an Ele and come back and tell us how easy they were for you to play,

You wont if you cant do the first suggestion..

Eles are easy to play.

another l2p kinda thread.