Guild Wars 2

Solution for Elixir H: Make it proc swiftness out of combat & in combat proc protection, same with tossed elixirs.

Solution for Elixir X: When you use it while jumping it procs Tornado, when you use it normally it procs Rampage. Make it proc rampage only at best.

RNGs are just excessively unhealthy in any PvP system, just give this treatment to every single RNG possible imo.

You did it for some mesmer RNGs why not engineer’s etc yet?

Share your thoughts on this agree/disagree.

anet thinks RNG is good for esporst

Sanis.1096:

anet thinks RNG is good for esporst

“Apparently someone read somewhere on the internet that RNG was bad for PvP.” is what I remember the quote being.

Anyways, yeah. Engineer is fairly ridiculous. And things like chance to fear on hit or chance to proc quickness, really? I’d be ok with things like critical chance or whatever, but those are literally game changing. In fact, I remember a specific example where a warrior had already used frenzy, but quickness proced after he used bola, so I got to eat a full quickness 100b. Yay.

Just another hurdle for ArenaNet to get over…

Remove RNGs and I’ll switch to playing an engineer in PvP.

This has been preached about since beta. Its still here.

I have heard several very simple reasonable ways to fix it before beta was even over. Its still here.

Good chance it aint going away anytime soon as the only responce we got from a dev about it said its a good thing….despite every pro player saying otherwise, other major game developers saying otherwise, and majority of the community saying otherwise..
so apparently they made up their mind that everyone else is wrong and they’re right, cause i’ve heard nothing that suggests otherwise.

Threw this quote up earlier from president of SOE.. another company that makes many mmos like everquest…i think it identifies a core issue of why we still see RNG.

John Smedly – CEO sony online entertainment. (Responding in an interview on why Star Wars Galaxies failed —-)

“[The mistake was] to not just think we know the right direction without bringing the fans into the mix,” he explained. “We made the cardinal sin of not listening, but assuming and we were wrong.”

But yea, if you search RNG, you’ll find about 500 threads titled about it within the first couple months of release….your not the first to mention it, but i agree it needs toned down severely.

The most basic of principles: for a company to succeed, it is necessary to provide what the majority of its customers want.

Ree Soesbee from ArenaNet: “The most important thing in any game should be the player. We have built a game for them.”

Apparently from their actions, ArenaNet do not see PvPers as customers nor players.

Darcy.2079:

The most basic of principles: for a company to succeed, it is necessary to provide what the majority of its customers want.

Ree Soesbee from ArenaNet: “The most important thing in any game should be the player. We have built a game for them.”

Apparently from their actions, ArenaNet do not see PvPers as customers nor players.

We should go to Washington and picket outside their building for equal rights.

Larynx.2453:

Darcy.2079:

The most basic of principles: for a company to succeed, it is necessary to provide what the majority of its customers want.

Ree Soesbee from ArenaNet: “The most important thing in any game should be the player. We have built a game for them.”

Apparently from their actions, ArenaNet do not see PvPers as customers nor players.

We should go to Washington and picket outside their building for equal rights.

I’d settle for 1/4 of what pvers get.

bump bump bump…

fun fact; I can think of GAMES that I’ve won solely because in a desperate situation I’ve been able to pull off a stomp that would have been stopped but I manage to get the random aegis proc of chaos storm right before the necromancers fear or the guardians knockback hit me. One game in particular where two in my team were downed, one who was about to get finished once my stomp would have failed.

I can think of another game where we had an easily won 2v2 with one enemy downed, one ally downed, me casting illusion of life on my ally before he was about to get stomped and then getting dazed by a chaos storm MID CAST that lost us the fight and the point.

It feels amazing when these things happen but I would not call it ideal, lol.

Then again, there are other esports that have done just fine with rng.

Yes the rngs can be quite annoying.
Exlir h, exlirs s on the toss, exlir U.
Heck, even our ultimate-elixir X.

I like the combat/not combat split.
I wish exlir S just granted 1 or the other reliably on its toss.
I wish exlir U was just ‘you cant be healed’. And had a reliable toss effect.

I wish exlir X did something unique, but atm i wish it just turned you into the tornado reliably.

Or..they can make the toss elixir junk linger when it hits the ground for more chances at getting the buffs you need (like chaos storm). I mean who is going to stop attacking to gamble for a chance of one stack of might? freaking really?

rng is why I never used the elite elixir in my elixir build, though it’s also because it always gets me killed, 2 second stun is just nicer.

With the other elixirs I just use them like they give no boon, and the boon is just a bonus.

Should the toss effect for elixers be something you can choose between before the match starts? I envisioned each batman belt skill being changeable.

Maybe?
Best I could come up with.

mbh.8301:

Should the toss effect for elixers be something you can choose between before the match starts? I envisioned each batman belt skill being changeable.

Maybe?
Best I could come up with.

Idk sounds like a huge mechanic overall.
Just making it something reliable and not RNG would be good enough.

daydream.2938:

mbh.8301:

Should the toss effect for elixirs be something you can choose between before the match starts? I envisioned each batman belt skill being changeable.

Maybe?
Best I could come up with.

Idk sounds like a huge mechanic overall.
Just making it something reliable and not RNG would be good enough.

That just turns into:

Toss elixir S = stability
Toss elixir heal = protection
Toss elixir B = swiftness

Not only is the RNG terrible, but tossing an Elixir on the ground for a single boon isn’t even that great. If it wasn’t buffed up with HGH and 409 it wouldn’t be worth it, and even then it’s certainly not worth it in combat just for the Might and random boon. Not to mention on top of all that, buffing your allies with tossed elixirs is a noob trap and incredibly ineffective.

If engineers could put out the same amount of crying as thieves did with the rng skills from steal they would probably change something..

‘’We play 5 engineers, maybe that’s why we suck’’ -Jon²

If only RNGs were removed so that I can enjoy playing engineers as much as I enjoy watching this engineer video.

Darcy.2079:

If only RNGs were removed so that I can enjoy playing engineers as much as I enjoy watching this engineer video.

Whoever made that video is kittening brilliant.

Lol tornado when you jump? Are you sure you don’t want to do the bug thingy too?

CachoDm.4639:

Lol tornado when you jump? Are you sure you don’t want to do the bug thingy too?

Elixir X Tornado doesn’t glitch self rez. Right now if you jump while using Elixir X it negates the whole thing tho, you don’t even transform if you are jumping at the end of it so that would also fix this bug.

I am not interested in abusing any bug of any sorts and I do not encourage anyone to, your team does it shamelessly though.

leashmaygoss.2140:

CachoDm.4639:

Lol tornado when you jump? Are you sure you don’t want to do the bug thingy too?

Elixir X Tornado doesn’t glitch self rez. Right now if you jump while using Elixir X it negates the whole thing tho, you don’t even transform if you are jumping at the end of it so that would also fix this bug.

I am not interested in abusing any bug of any sorts and I do not encourage anyone to, your team does it shamelessly though.

I was just asking because it could resolve the lag you have before dying. It’s called coincidence btw.

CachoDm.4639:

leashmaygoss.2140:

CachoDm.4639:

Lol tornado when you jump? Are you sure you don’t want to do the bug thingy too?

Elixir X Tornado doesn’t glitch self rez. Right now if you jump while using Elixir X it negates the whole thing tho, you don’t even transform if you are jumping at the end of it so that would also fix this bug.

I am not interested in abusing any bug of any sorts and I do not encourage anyone to, your team does it shamelessly though.

I was just asking because it could resolve the lag you have before dying. It’s called coincidence btw.

Off topic lol. It’s called cheap servers from AN btw.

For the love of god please change this. I kittening beg of you. It’s driving me insane

Do you understand what it’s like a-net? when I lose or when a fight because of sheer kittening LUCK?

I’ve thrown elixir S to stealth downed teammates before. I have won and lost games with that single ability alone because of RNG. Don’t even get me started on elixir X. Or even our heal. “oh, a thief is about to gib you? HAVE SOME MORE kittenING SWIFTNESS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL”

RNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUN

Yes, I am kittening mad.

Ostricheggs.3742:

For the love of god please change this. I kittening beg of you. It’s driving me insane

Do you understand what it’s like a-net? when I lose or when a fight because of sheer kittening LUCK?

I’ve thrown elixir S to stealth downed teammates before. I have won and lost games with that single ability alone because of RNG. Don’t even get me started on elixir X. Or even our heal. “oh, a thief is about to gib you? HAVE SOME MORE kittenING SWIFTNESS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL”

RNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUN

Yes, I am kittening mad.

Lol other classes would be mad too if they had to deal with rng. Imagine if thieve’s steal skill gave them an rng wep. Their outcry would be so loud arenanet would have to change that mechanic asap.

Vuh.1328:

If engineers could put out the same amount of crying as thieves did with the rng skills from steal they would probably change something..

Steal isnt rng. it varies based on the class you steal from. But its always the same thing for each class.

Penguin.5197:

Ostricheggs.3742:

For the love of god please change this. I kittening beg of you. It’s driving me insane

Do you understand what it’s like a-net? when I lose or when a fight because of sheer kittening LUCK?

I’ve thrown elixir S to stealth downed teammates before. I have won and lost games with that single ability alone because of RNG. Don’t even get me started on elixir X. Or even our heal. “oh, a thief is about to gib you? HAVE SOME MORE kittenING SWIFTNESS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL”

RNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUNRNG IS NOT FUN RNG IS NOT FUN

Yes, I am kittening mad.

Lol other classes would be mad too if they had to deal with rng. Imagine if thieve’s steal skill gave them an rng wep. Their outcry would be so loud arenanet would have to change that mechanic asap.

tbh i would prefer rng over the crap mechanic we thieves have ( probably the most boring and unimaginative along with war one, and nobody complains about it simply because we have Mug and Mug is freaking OP).

Playing a HGH engie, a completely agree.

RNG is fun, but when there’s too much of it, it simply ruins the whole crap.

ya want stability against that war ? STEALTH FOR YOU TRLOLOLOL

ya want stealth to rezz your teammate ? NOW HE HAS STABILITY, HE’LL BE OK TRLLOLOLOL

aNet fix it pls.

daydream.2938:

Vuh.1328:

If engineers could put out the same amount of crying as thieves did with the rng skills from steal they would probably change something..

Steal isnt rng. it varies based on the class you steal from. But its always the same thing for each class.

Lol well simply, I was making a point. Engies have to cry louder to be heard. If thieves could change it for theirs, then so can other classes. (Back then the item you stole from a player wasn’t always the same thing http://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Steal&direction=prev&oldid=444714)

I’m not too sure but didn’t mesmers suffer from too much rng in the beginning too until they started to complain?

No, we just had chaos storm being absolutely broken because you could also get fear from it.

daydream.2938:

Steal isnt rng. it varies based on the class you steal from. But its always the same thing for each class.

It used to be RNG as far as I care to remember.

leashmaygoss.2140:

daydream.2938:

Steal isnt rng. it varies based on the class you steal from. But its always the same thing for each class.

It used to be RNG as far as I care to remember.

this guy has the right.

Steal was random in alpha/beta, you could obtain 1 item from a pool of 3-4 per proff.

They decided it was too much, now we steal gunks from engeneers.

TOO STRONK.

Right, well the point stands, rng is annoying. And engies have like 5 or 6 rng abilities (counting the tooltip versions).

I literally throw down/drink elixirs for might stacks and cleanses. I don’t even try and think about laying down a boon in a smart manner before using the elixir unless it’s S (even then it’s suspect to RNG).

If I try and throw elixir H at myself to counter some sort of burst via protection, I might give myself regen. An entire facet of our abilities remains suspect to complete RNG. Many fights have been won or lost because of it, most of it unknowingly. Protection vs regen/vigor, stealth vs stability, swiftness vs fury

Just thinking about how many fights I lost cuz of it makes me shed a tear

Ostricheggs.3742:

I literally throw down/drink elixirs for might stacks and cleanses. I don’t even try and think about laying down a boon in a smart manner before using the elixir unless it’s S (even then it’s suspect to RNG).

If I try and throw elixir H at myself to counter some sort of burst via protection, I might give myself regen. An entire facet of our abilities remains suspect to complete RNG. Many fights have been won or lost because of it, most of it unknowingly. Protection vs regen/vigor, stealth vs stability, swiftness vs fury

Just thinking about how many fights I lost cuz of it makes me shed a tear

Looks like you’ve uncovered one of the basic tenets of gw2 pvp: using skills effectively should be synonymous with using skills as they come off cooldown.