Even I am finding them an issue and I run necro which used to farm engis haha
Who cares though. At least they kittening die. Way better meta than no skill, lyysa carried warriors and thieves who are all USELESS (skill wise) and yet all “top” players purely due to have 2 lives and ridic amounts of damage and sustain.
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Even I am finding them an issue and I run necro which used to farm engis haha
Who cares though. At least they kittening die. Way better meta than no skill, lyysa carried warriors and thieves who are all USELESS (skill wise) and yet all “top” players purely due to have 2 lives and ridic amounts of damage and sustain.
Uhhh… what type of eng v what type of necro? I don’t see why you should be having problems. My cond necro still rotflstomps engis… even more now that AR was nerfed and the lol increased fear duration.
Even I am finding them an issue and I run necro which used to farm engis haha
Who cares though. At least they kittening die. Way better meta than no skill, lyysa carried warriors and thieves who are all USELESS (skill wise) and yet all “top” players purely due to have 2 lives and ridic amounts of damage and sustain.
Weird, I literaly rofl stomp them even more now that AR is nerfed, and I was already able to kill them before nerf.
I think both Engi and Necro are a bit over the top. I think a big part of this is how much cover they have. Warrior aren’t half as powerful because each cleanse means so much more than against and Engi/Necro. Not much anyone can do about it unless they start remaking grenade abilities and changing some necro skills.
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The actual guard bunker build has so much difficulties against engis now.
I get kitten d only by one engi before the update I could stay alive on a point really easily.
Now I have to use my elite in like 10 sec and even after that I die. It’s really frustrating to fail like that, thoses engis got so much burn you can’t even clean it, it comes back again and again :’(
Guardians will play vertues build against condiburst like that for sure
The sigil/rune changes give them so much more coverage and capability to burst out condis. Its a little over-the-top. Perhaps everyone needs to run generosity or something?
But, the condi-bursts are VERY real, and I am almost up to running ele 6-water (old 30 water) full condi-clear support build just to give a chance vs. these builds.
Then again, a lot of things are over-the-top right now.
People got so used to playing vs soloq teams filled with decap engineers. Now that most guys switched back to condi engineer ppl get caught off guard by the condi pressure.
The only thing that changed are the runesets. Specific runesets are really good and synergize really well with specfic engie builds and abbilities. They might be a bit over the top even.
Imo Engineers are the most overpowered class in the game and have been so for a while now. They just flew under the radar for a long time because the class itself was unpopular and took a little more finesse to master compared to your average Warrior.
But it’s a pretty broken class without any real counters. I’m not just talking about sPvP here which they have already turned into a mockery but WvW as well. I have mutiple classes and multiple builds and NONE of them can deal with an Engineer.
Engineers can do stuff no other class can or should be able to do. Their condition damage and their ability to kite people while CCing them is just a broken concept. It needs some serious revision.
A lot of their power though is derived from their ability to spam conditions without limit. If conditions ever are adjusted in a way, it should help keep Engineers in line.
Dee Jay, condi-engineer is still pretty hard-countered by necros, who heal more while clearing condis on consume condis, and have 2-3 condi transfers.
Besides necros, engineers seem to have the upper-hand in almost every other fight. The new capability to take extra on-swap or on-crit sigils to improve condi-spread, combined with balthazar runes that turn IP into a 7s proc make them absolute BEASTS (7s burning guaranteed to apply every 10s is also OP as anything, combined with the kiting ability engies have vs. power builds).
Decap bunker engies also seem to be stronger now, and simply can’t be killed with power builds. However, necro is still the solution, it seems. Maybe some new builds could give them trouble, but it looks like you either bring a necro or are at a severe disadvantage.
Dee Jay, condi-engineer is still pretty hard-countered by necros, who heal more while clearing condis on consume condis, and have 2-3 condi transfers.
Besides necros, engineers seem to have the upper-hand in almost every other fight. The new capability to take extra on-swap or on-crit sigils to improve condi-spread, combined with balthazar runes that turn IP into a 7s proc make them absolute BEASTS (7s burning guaranteed to apply every 10s is also OP as anything, combined with the kiting ability engies have vs. power builds).
Decap bunker engies also seem to be stronger now, and simply can’t be killed with power builds. However, necro is still the solution, it seems. Maybe some new builds could give them trouble, but it looks like you either bring a necro or are at a severe disadvantage.
Maybe generosity sigil will help?
So what you all are saying is engi kills everything right? necro kills engi right? Doesnt this mean necro is the real problem here and not eng? Do you even listen to yourselves? Necro has same condi spam plus twice as much HP. Wake up guys and stop complaining about something all the time just because you have been killed by someone. You cannot have 1 build to beat every build.
I say necro is far more dangerous than engi. Also try to hit moving/evading target with grenade. Go on try it.
So what you all are saying is engi kills everything right? necro kills engi right? Doesnt this mean necro is the real problem here and not eng? Do you even listen to yourselves? Necro has same condi spam plus twice as much HP. Wake up guys and stop complaining about something all the time just because you have been killed by someone. You cannot have 1 build to beat every build.
I say necro is far more dangerous than engi. Also try to hit moving/evading target with grenade. Go on try it.
Hahaha, 7s incendiary powder makes all your other arguments invalid, on top of all the easy cover condis you get.
The point is, this game is clearly going to devolve into engies beating everything, necros taken to counter them, maybe staff eles to condi clear, but if they can’t keep up just more condi spam, and a thief to decap.
Hitting grenades on a moving target isn’t really hard, especially fighting on-point. People who main engineer like to pretend there is some black magic behind it, when its really just learning how players move and projecting their location.
So what you all are saying is engi kills everything right? necro kills engi right? Doesnt this mean necro is the real problem here and not eng? Do you even listen to yourselves? Necro has same condi spam plus twice as much HP. Wake up guys and stop complaining about something all the time just because you have been killed by someone. You cannot have 1 build to beat every build.
I say necro is far more dangerous than engi. Also try to hit moving/evading target with grenade. Go on try it.
Hahaha, 7s incendiary powder makes all your other arguments invalid, on top of all the easy cover condis you get.
The point is, this game is clearly going to devolve into engies beating everything, necros taken to counter them, maybe staff eles to condi clear, but if they can’t keep up just more condi spam, and a thief to decap.
Hitting grenades on a moving target isn’t really hard, especially fighting on-point. People who main engineer like to pretend there is some black magic behind it, when its really just learning how players move and projecting their location.
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Dee Jay, condi-engineer is still pretty hard-countered by necros, who heal more while clearing condis on consume condis, and have 2-3 condi transfers.
Besides necros, engineers seem to have the upper-hand in almost every other fight. The new capability to take extra on-swap or on-crit sigils to improve condi-spread, combined with balthazar runes that turn IP into a 7s proc make them absolute BEASTS (7s burning guaranteed to apply every 10s is also OP as anything, combined with the kiting ability engies have vs. power builds).
Decap bunker engies also seem to be stronger now, and simply can’t be killed with power builds. However, necro is still the solution, it seems. Maybe some new builds could give them trouble, but it looks like you either bring a necro or are at a severe disadvantage.
Maybe generosity sigil will help?
So what you all are saying is engi kills everything right? necro kills engi right? Doesnt this mean necro is the real problem here and not eng? Do you even listen to yourselves? Necro has same condi spam plus twice as much HP. Wake up guys and stop complaining about something all the time just because you have been killed by someone. You cannot have 1 build to beat every build.
I say necro is far more dangerous than engi. Also try to hit moving/evading target with grenade. Go on try it.
Using your logic. I don’t how you came with : A kills BCD, E kills A. Therefore, E is broken. What kind of argument is that?
But it’s a pretty broken class without any real counters. I’m not just talking about sPvP here which they have already turned into a mockery but WvW as well. I have mutiple classes and multiple builds and NONE of them can deal with an Engineer.
WvW is an entirely different beast and the fact that you derived your opinion of condi engis from WvW is crazy. Condi engis in WvW are just stupid, just like the game mode’s balance itself.
Hitting grenades on a moving target isn’t really hard, especially fighting on-point. People who main engineer like to pretend there is some black magic behind it, when its really just learning how players move and projecting their location.
Well it’s the hardest, most common skillshot in the game… It’s also punishing if you miss comparing to what it would do if it hit. Land more grenades, deal more damage. Land none and you may as well be afk.
The main reason why condi engis are MUCH more broke than before is because of balthazar runes. 45% burn duration = 7s IP. 7s IP wasn’t even possible to get prepatch. 6 second IP required major sacrifices.
Another thing to keep in mind is how the new sigils benefit engis quite possibly more than any other class. Engis have always been able to take the best advantage of on-swap sigils and adding another doesn’t help things.
Honestly at this point balthazar just needs to be converted to a power rune and things would settle down at least a bit.
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Well it’s the hardest, most common skillshot in the game… It’s also punishing if you miss comparing to what it would do if it hit. Land more grenades, deal more damage. Land none and you may as well be afk.
I’ll agree that landing them does take some skill, but so many engies act like its something that is so hard to do. Its really the same as landing staff ele damage, in that it is telegraphed and has travel time, so you have to know and predict your opponent. That being said, landing grenades isn’t something that takes years of practice is my point. Skill required – yes. Incredible challenge that only master’s can comprehend – no.
The main reason why condi engis are MUCH more broke than before is because of balthazar runes. 45% burn duration = 7s IP. 7s IP wasn’t even possible to get prepatch. 6 second IP required major sacrifices.
Another thing to keep in mind is how the new sigils benefit engis quite possibly more than any other class. Engis have always been able to take the best advantage of on-swap sigils and adding another doesn’t help things.
Honestly at this point balthazar just needs to be converted to a power rune and things would settle down at least a bit.
I agree 100% with this. there is no sacrifice for getting such unreasonably long burns (and even just 4s every 10 was REALLY strong by the time you factored in +30% from Explosives). Combine balthazar with sigils and traits that instantly give tons of cover condis, and a profession that once required skill has just become faceroll due to its extreme power.
Well it’s the hardest, most common skillshot in the game… It’s also punishing if you miss comparing to what it would do if it hit. Land more grenades, deal more damage. Land none and you may as well be afk.
I’ll agree that landing them does take some skill, but so many engies act like its something that is so hard to do. Its really the same as landing staff ele damage, in that it is telegraphed and has travel time, so you have to know and predict your opponent. That being said, landing grenades isn’t something that takes years of practice is my point. Skill required – yes. Incredible challenge that only master’s can comprehend – no.
The main reason why condi engis are MUCH more broke than before is because of balthazar runes. 45% burn duration = 7s IP. 7s IP wasn’t even possible to get prepatch. 6 second IP required major sacrifices.
Another thing to keep in mind is how the new sigils benefit engis quite possibly more than any other class. Engis have always been able to take the best advantage of on-swap sigils and adding another doesn’t help things.
Honestly at this point balthazar just needs to be converted to a power rune and things would settle down at least a bit.
I agree 100% with this. there is no sacrifice for getting such unreasonably long burns (and even just 4s every 10 was REALLY strong by the time you factored in +30% from Explosives). Combine balthazar with sigils and traits that instantly give tons of cover condis, and a profession that once required skill has just become faceroll due to its extreme power.
It’s faceroll at the moment for sure. But comparing staff ele damage to nades is a little overboard…
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I noticed engi’s and necros being over the top pretty quickly. I thought anet would finally rid us of MM… sadly it didn’t happen. All this powercreep is making it so thieves get practically one shot by condi bunkers.
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What has changed since 10 December for condi engi? Or earlier?
Balthazar runes + IP – ok, its OP. But what else?
Rabid grenade engi always has been very strong (maybe not condiburst, but best condi stacking).
Meh it all depends on how well you play your class and how well you know the other class.
I play engi, not because they’re “OP” but because it’s fun and it took me a while to get it. I (personally) think that Engi was one of the more difficult classes to master (but that’s just my personal opinion). I had trouble against necro’s, but by playing engi a lot I could beat almost any class. I just think it’s all about knowing your enemy and your own class.
I also play other classes and I’ve been able to beat engis, not all, but most (since I know the class so good myself I suppose).
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Dee Jay, condi-engineer is still pretty hard-countered by necros, who heal more while clearing condis on consume condis, and have 2-3 condi transfers.
Besides necros, engineers seem to have the upper-hand in almost every other fight. The new capability to take extra on-swap or on-crit sigils to improve condi-spread, combined with balthazar runes that turn IP into a 7s proc make them absolute BEASTS (7s burning guaranteed to apply every 10s is also OP as anything, combined with the kiting ability engies have vs. power builds).
Decap bunker engies also seem to be stronger now, and simply can’t be killed with power builds. However, necro is still the solution, it seems. Maybe some new builds could give them trouble, but it looks like you either bring a necro or are at a severe disadvantage.
Maybe generosity sigil will help?
So what you all are saying is engi kills everything right? necro kills engi right? Doesnt this mean necro is the real problem here and not eng? Do you even listen to yourselves? Necro has same condi spam plus twice as much HP. Wake up guys and stop complaining about something all the time just because you have been killed by someone. You cannot have 1 build to beat every build.
I say necro is far more dangerous than engi. Also try to hit moving/evading target with grenade. Go on try it.
Using your logic. I don’t how you came with : A kills BCD, E kills A. Therefore, E is broken. What kind of argument is that?
I ll explain it just for you then. A is condi spam, E is condi spam, A meets E and E wins, meaning E is more dangerous condi spam with twice as much HP. Is this logic enough for you now? Good.
It’s not like engis got a huge buff except balth, the real problem is that wars dont faceroll them anymore and thiefs got an even harder time. Both classes didnt get nerfed extremly but lyssa is gone aka. a full cond cleanse. Necros and engis werent seen often latley due to wari, they always were strong but had a very hard time agains war. With lyssa gone no1 has a chance against all the conds flying ’round…
Dee Jay, condi-engineer is still pretty hard-countered by necros, who heal more while clearing condis on consume condis, and have 2-3 condi transfers.
Besides necros, engineers seem to have the upper-hand in almost every other fight. The new capability to take extra on-swap or on-crit sigils to improve condi-spread, combined with balthazar runes that turn IP into a 7s proc make them absolute BEASTS (7s burning guaranteed to apply every 10s is also OP as anything, combined with the kiting ability engies have vs. power builds).
Decap bunker engies also seem to be stronger now, and simply can’t be killed with power builds. However, necro is still the solution, it seems. Maybe some new builds could give them trouble, but it looks like you either bring a necro or are at a severe disadvantage.
Maybe generosity sigil will help?
So what you all are saying is engi kills everything right? necro kills engi right? Doesnt this mean necro is the real problem here and not eng? Do you even listen to yourselves? Necro has same condi spam plus twice as much HP. Wake up guys and stop complaining about something all the time just because you have been killed by someone. You cannot have 1 build to beat every build.
I say necro is far more dangerous than engi. Also try to hit moving/evading target with grenade. Go on try it.
Using your logic. I don’t how you came with : A kills BCD, E kills A. Therefore, E is broken. What kind of argument is that?
I ll explain it just for you then. A is condi spam, E is condi spam, A meets E and E wins, meaning E is more dangerous condi spam with twice as much HP. Is this logic enough for you now? Good.
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Necromancer counters engi because of their unparalleled condition control… Come back to earth.
Dee Jay, condi-engineer is still pretty hard-countered by necros, who heal more while clearing condis on consume condis, and have 2-3 condi transfers.
Besides necros, engineers seem to have the upper-hand in almost every other fight. The new capability to take extra on-swap or on-crit sigils to improve condi-spread, combined with balthazar runes that turn IP into a 7s proc make them absolute BEASTS (7s burning guaranteed to apply every 10s is also OP as anything, combined with the kiting ability engies have vs. power builds).
Decap bunker engies also seem to be stronger now, and simply can’t be killed with power builds. However, necro is still the solution, it seems. Maybe some new builds could give them trouble, but it looks like you either bring a necro or are at a severe disadvantage.
Maybe generosity sigil will help?
So what you all are saying is engi kills everything right? necro kills engi right? Doesnt this mean necro is the real problem here and not eng? Do you even listen to yourselves? Necro has same condi spam plus twice as much HP. Wake up guys and stop complaining about something all the time just because you have been killed by someone. You cannot have 1 build to beat every build.
I say necro is far more dangerous than engi. Also try to hit moving/evading target with grenade. Go on try it.
Using your logic. I don’t how you came with : A kills BCD, E kills A. Therefore, E is broken. What kind of argument is that?
I ll explain it just for you then. A is condi spam, E is condi spam, A meets E and E wins, meaning E is more dangerous condi spam with twice as much HP. Is this logic enough for you now? Good.
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Necromancer counters engi because of their unparalleled condition control… Come back to earth.
Yup. You could win with a power necro vs condi engie, if you land dagger and staff #4. That doesnt make power necro condi spam
I really, really, really hate the new turret bubbles.
1.) Bubbles in this game infuriate me.
2.)They are way too spammy.
Not to mention condi engies are a massive kitten.
haha so much hate to engi in here….
first some of you guys wanted AR nerfd it happend..
now u want condi engi nefd..?
now ure complaining about turret build also?
just grow a pair of —-
try to make a build that counters it.. make some new tactics..
Played a bit of a trollish full glass power BM ranger. It literally 3 shots most engineers and necros if you have CDs up, Meanwhile you sit on a safe ledge a mile away due to the insane range. Both the pet and myself can do multiple 5-8k crits in a row np.
The only issue is if the oposing team had a decent thief. The rest was quite manageable.
Condi engis were a problem before the meta shifted to Hambows etc. But no one used them anymore because of the meta.
The problem was still there.
As most people have been mentioning Balthazar Rune needs a slight tone. Same for Burn as a whole. the damage is out of control for the ticks a burn does.
Just reducing the base condition tick on burn would be enough.
You already gave guardians a % tick increase on it. if it scales properly guardians will not notice a thing.
As for everything else. not much to say.
Condi engis were a problem before the meta shifted to Hambows etc. But no one used them anymore because of the meta.
The problem was still there.
As most people have been mentioning Balthazar Rune needs a slight tone. Same for Burn as a whole. the damage is out of control for the ticks a burn does.
Just reducing the base condition tick on burn would be enough.
You already gave guardians a % tick increase on it. if it scales properly guardians will not notice a thing.
As for everything else. not much to say.
I don’t think that reducing the strength of burning as a whole would be the most beneficial fix to the current problem. The main issue is that condi engis have taken a whole new level of broken because of balthazar and the sigil changes. Any nerfs to anything but balthazar or sigils with regards to engis would probably harm other classes unintentionally
While it’s really difficult to fix sigils on engis, it’s not the serious issue. Balthazar runes giving a burn duration that was impossible to achieve pre-patch, even with major sacrifices in your build, is the main issue.
There needs to be a swift nerf on a-nets part to these runes. I would take care in calling for nerfs to engis before these are fixed. It simply has too much burn duration in addition to the condi damage. I would hope that they consider nerfing the burn duration to 15%. Even better would be converting balthazar to a power rune like it was previously to prevent the condi it supports from getting out of hand.
With even a 20% burn duration and condi damage balthazar would be overpowered because it would make IP tick for 6 seconds at a 50% total burn duration for explosives engis.
Until they do something, prepare your anus for engis everywhere…
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