Guild Wars 2

Woot! for solo/duo queue

But then it wil be matchup again like 5solo vs 2duo one solo no point. all solo is enough

Was getting matched against a team of 2-4 players really that large of an issue?

Wow, let’s play a team based ranked games without giving a team a shot.

@confused

I’d be fine with solo / duo queues.

I feel matchmaking should take into consideration the composites of teams its forming though. So that sides are set up similarly if at all possible. While I’m sure 1,1,1,1,1 vs 2,2,1 is viable, there will be many that would be quite displeased with it. Hopefully that is something being looked into / considered as I know there would likely be equally as many that would be very unhappy if they couldn’t team up with any of their friends.

Ayrilana.1396:

Was getting matched against a team of 2-4 players really that large of an issue?

No it wasn’t an issue at all except for players complaining every DAY since soloq was removed long ago.

/sarcasmoff.

Personally it should have 2 leagues a solo/duo league and a 3/4/5 man league. Exclusively doing one or the other is not a good idea. As mentioned above it discriminates against full teams.

yeah yeah queue times blah blah

I only need to complete 1 division to reach the legendary wings, I have to wait months until this or what?

Spartacus.3192:

Ayrilana.1396:

Was getting matched against a team of 2-4 players really that large of an issue?

No it wasn’t an issue at all except for players complaining every DAY since soloq was removed long ago.

/sarcasmoff.

Just seemed like the easier thing for people to blame for a loss than themselves. I just don’t see it as a really contributing factor. Of course the vote will favor it being solo/duo and people will find something else to blame.

Perfect. Full teams can still 5 vs 5. But solo/duo que will be separate. I have to say that with this if they make significant balance changes or add new skills Pvp will be a roller coaster that attracts many players and may not die. But the solo/duo is only the frosting on the cake which is balance and a good pip system. If these do not change this won’t be enough. But I applaud the Devs for fixing one of many major issues. If they continue to listen to the player base the pvp community will grow.

In my experience a premade of 4-5 players doesnt necessarily have an advantage, in higher divisions at least. I suppose i dont really care either way. Community hates premades so i guess solo/duo is the future.

I almost didnt bother grinding last season cuz no special reward. “Indomitable Legend”, not bad.

Thanks for the info! Excited to see what’s in store for PvP.

Is a very good thing you will keep leagues up . Also is good to see AG come back. But what are you plans about teams? Also what about ESL Pro League and Challenger Series ? You plan keep the esporting up (hope you ll do)? Plz i would love an answer ^^

Sounds good to me.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Third, many of you have asked and we wanted to confirm: the next balance update will ship this month.

be specific!

Solo queue was a huge thing in the past. The idea that PvP is “meant” to be played as an organized team is pure myth.

The Solo Queue was apparently removed to try to increase teams. That tactic has not succeeded. In addition it’s kittened off a lot of players and probably contributed to a reduction in overall pvp population.

Yes, by all means bring back solo queue. Match quality has noticeably declined since it was removed. Best idea since coliseum.

-edit- Oh and by the way, thanks for talking to us and releasing some information.

Don’t make a bad balance and let it go though whole season. Like this Guardwar2 S4. Pls have a mid balance in a season. Let’s player play a worst game still 3 months. This sure break your player base and loss more player.

xeonage.1253:

Don’t make a bad balance and let it go though whole season. Like this Guardwar2 S4. Pls have a mid balance in a season. Let’s player play a worst game still 3 months. This sure break your player base and loss more player.

Actually DH wasnt even a T1 class of last season and needs boost…Ppl in low MMR just thought was op because they wasnt able counter it

Spartacus.3192:

Personally it should have 2 leagues a solo/duo league and a 3/4/5 man league. Exclusively doing one or the other is not a good idea. As mentioned above it discriminates against full teams.

yeah yeah queue times blah blah

Thre’s no such a thing like a 3/4/5 man league. If solo/duo play on their own league, the second league can only consist on full premades.

Vargamonth.2047:

Spartacus.3192:

Personally it should have 2 leagues a solo/duo league and a 3/4/5 man league. Exclusively doing one or the other is not a good idea. As mentioned above it discriminates against full teams.

yeah yeah queue times blah blah

Thre’s no such a thing like a 3/4/5 man league. If solo/duo play on their own league, the second league can only consist on full premades.

He means a solo/duo league , and a team ranking league i guess

Ayrilana.1396:

Was getting matched against a team of 2-4 players really that large of an issue?

Some of these threads posted on this forum sure made it out to be…

Emmrahil.1934:

xeonage.1253:

Don’t make a bad balance and let it go though whole season. Like this Guardwar2 S4. Pls have a mid balance in a season. Let’s player play a worst game still 3 months. This sure break your player base and loss more player.

Actually DH wasnt even a T1 class of last season and needs boost…Ppl in low MMR just thought was op because they wasnt able counter it

Actually DH is a worst design in this Hold Point Game. AoE cc, AoE damage and stack share block and heal. It break the low MMR and get easy kill in top MMR. This class better need to remake.

xeonage.1253:

Emmrahil.1934:

xeonage.1253:

Don’t make a bad balance and let it go though whole season. Like this Guardwar2 S4. Pls have a mid balance in a season. Let’s player play a worst game still 3 months. This sure break your player base and loss more player.

Actually DH wasnt even a T1 class of last season and needs boost…Ppl in low MMR just thought was op because they wasnt able counter it

Actually DH is a worst design in this Hold Point Game. AoE cc, AoE damage and stack share block and heal. It break the low MMR and get easy kill in top MMR. This class better need to remake.

Obviously that is why in WTS we saw no DH (well we saw 1 in all WTS games i think)…i guess you know better than them tho

Gaile Gray.6029:

A message from the PvP Team:

Second, in the next few weeks we’ll be running a poll that asks if you’d like to see PvP Leagues switch to a solo/duo queue only system, rather than allowing rosters of any size (1 through 5 players). This is potentially a very big change for PvP, so we wanted to get it on your radar ahead of time so you can ruminate, discuss it together now, and then share your opinion on the poll when it is available.

+ 1 milion

No team-based ranked mode seems like a bizarre choice.

I think having both a solo/duo and 5man team queue options, which are eligible for ranking (possibly on separate tracks) could be interesting. Whether that is viable in terms of playerbase though I am not sure.

Sarrs.4831:

No team-based ranked mode seems like a bizarre choice.

I think having both a solo/duo and 5man team queue options, which are eligible for ranking (possibly on separate tracks) could be interesting. Whether that is viable in terms of playerbase though I am not sure.

I think, if they are going to have solo/duo queues, that immediately suggests they will have seperate queues for 5-man teams. If they decide not to have different queues for 5-man teams, then that means they have forgotten that they have a competitive scene to foster.

But when will you remove Illustrious Legend from people who did not earn it? I will keep nagging about it until we have a response.

Dirame.8521:

Sarrs.4831:

No team-based ranked mode seems like a bizarre choice.

I think having both a solo/duo and 5man team queue options, which are eligible for ranking (possibly on separate tracks) could be interesting. Whether that is viable in terms of playerbase though I am not sure.

I think, if they are going to have solo/duo queues, that immediately suggests they will have seperate queues for 5-man teams. If they decide not to have different queues for 5-man teams, then that means they have forgotten that they have a competitive scene to foster.

All you need is two types of queues.
1. solo/duo queue
2. queue for any party size

The full premade should just go for the real competition, tournaments.

Posted this on reddit but I’ll do it here too:

Always talking about the solo experience, never about the team aspect.

Gw2’s combat is team-oriented. Conquest is a team game-mode. 5v5 – 3 capture nodes. There are no hard carry possibilities, not from a tactical point of view (gamemode) nor mechanical point of view (combat).

And lastly. “Esports”. If you want to diversify and grow the scene (instead of the trend downwards since a couple of years) then you really need to have a solid flawless infrastructure in place that allows people playing casually to become more competitive and interested.

Very simplistic illustration: casual (soloq) —> casual-competitive (soloq + teamq) —>; competitive (teamq) —> esports.

I know the population is low and that most people that cared left but there are ways to provide a flexible system that would allow a decent team environment. (i.e. Automated Tournaments)

The industry requires a solid infrastructure for the solo player. You see it in every (pvp) game. And that’s fine. But just don’t forget the team experience.

So yeah, excited about another attempt to create a better solo experience. Not so excited about the lack of any mention of ‘teams’.

And no, I don’t play in a team nor have I ever except for some random premades or very casually with some friends (back in the old days).

Sarrs.4831:

No team-based ranked mode seems like a bizarre choice.

I think having both a solo/duo and 5man team queue options, which are eligible for ranking (possibly on separate tracks) could be interesting. Whether that is viable in terms of playerbase though I am not sure.

Bizarre? That is what we had from launch basically and then devs took it from us. What really bizarre is that majority of the players base (soloq) got screwed over for the sake of handful of players (teams).

I think we need soloq and team q. But also allow duoq (max 2 people, not more) queue in soloq like in old league system. That was you can still play with a friend w/o needing to form whole team and 2 player team won’t have that huge impact on match outcome as long as matches are balanced.

Not allowing full teams to play together is not a smart more if that whats planned. Playing together in pvp is one of the social activity`s our guild really enjoy. We are not particularly good and we have all from seasoned veterans to green rookies. No matter we still gather together to socialize while trying to kick the enemies buts….or run for our lives…

The only way I can see something like this working is changing to the old system with solo q and team q. Of course than population might become a problem… difficult decisions for you ArenaNet

AIJ.3784:

Not allowing full teams to play together is not a smart more if that whats planned. Playing together in pvp is one of the social activity`s our guild really enjoy. We are not particularly good and we have all from seasoned veterans to green rookies. No matter we still gather together to socialize while trying to kick the enemies buts….or run for our lives…

The only way I can see something like this working is changing to the old system with solo q and team q. Of course than population might become a problem… difficult decisions for you ArenaNet

You should still be able to play as a team.
But you can’t earn personal prestige by playing in a premade team.
I think this is fair.

Malediktus.3740:

But when will you remove Illustrious Legend from people who did not earn it? I will keep nagging about it until we have a response.

Be careful how much YOU nag, your own account may be looked at for suspicious activity. Not pointing any fingers Malediktus.

domness.6719:

Malediktus.3740:

But when will you remove Illustrious Legend from people who did not earn it? I will keep nagging about it until we have a response.

Be careful how much YOU nag, your own account may be looked at for suspicious activity. Not pointing any fingers Malediktus.

It is a bug that gave people who played on first evening of s4 the Illustrious Legend title if they had diamond in last season (or ruby if they somehow managed to grind enough pips in such a short time). I am unsure what you mean with suspicious activity.

Dirame.8521:

I think, if they are going to have solo/duo queues, that immediately suggests they will have seperate queues for 5-man teams. If they decide not to have different queues for 5-man teams, then that means they have forgotten that they have a competitive scene to foster.

The problem is that joining in full team ranked queue helps ZERO for the competitive scene.

There is no way a new full team, joining the ranked queue and farming soloquers o trios can be ready and good enough for pro league seasons/world championship.

You have really more and better practice joining solo or with a friend.

To refine tactics with a full team you need to do pvt sessions with another full teams. Not at all ranked in full team. Ranked in full team is only for farming.

The main issue is not you can’t beat premades in solo, happens a lot to beat bad premades in solo, the main advantage with only a solo/duo queue is a better matchmaker and a better value for every player (mmr)

In the old soloqueue leaderboard, the top100 soloqueue was basically always filled with the best 100 players in the game (without considering 10 wins / 0 loss exploits + top1 with returning people or new players lucky strike).

Historically, the old soloqueue leaderboard was the best approximation for skill we had since forever and there were a lot of other issues (no map selection, big volatility, no rewards, no fixed decay etc.)

I really think right now a solo queue/ duo queue with the actual structure is really the best move anet can do.

If I remember correctly the old poll (no official) about soloqueue was like 85% + or – of the community wanted it, a pretty huge %.

Jourdelune.7456:

Wow, let’s play a team based ranked games without giving a team a shot.

@confused

Because Team based ques have worked so well since the removal of Solo Q.

No offense to the Pros, but this is a casual game. We have nothing in comparison to real ESL games, so realistically we are trying to be Pro in a touch football little league junior match.

And as Gaile has said in another thread: “why not look for a means to allow everyone to participate in our game on a level playing field?” That’s our E-spurts, and probably the reason behind DH. I get it might be a little out of context, but it’s nice to know how the Devs are thinking about the general direction of the game and how to incorporate more players into the scene.

I guess my only questions about the Solo/Duo que would be: How does a guild activate a 3man Guild mission in a duo que? I’m assuming there might still be a 5 man premade option or Unranked won’t be effected by it?

Phil.8901:

The problem is that joining in full team ranked queue helps ZERO for the competitive scene.

There is no way a new full team, joining the ranked queue and farming soloquers o trios can be ready and good enough for pro league seasons/world championship.

You have really more and better practice joining solo or with a friend.

You’re forgetting the key component of getting a team in a first place. Playing with players and slowly adding on guys you do well with until you have a team that knows how to work together.

You don’t just pick 5 random guys and start scrimming 5 other random people and have an ESL or even AG ready team. You build your team up slowly while trying to play seriously and meet other new players during then.

Where are these 3-4-5 man groups supposed to play and start learning how to work together? Unranked? Might as well go stomp people in hotjoin.

if it moves to a solo/duo only queue, will guild missions change to reflect that?

sephiroth.4217:

Jourdelune.7456:

Wow, let’s play a team based ranked games without giving a team a shot.

@confused

No offense to the Pros, but this is a casual game. We have nothing in comparison to real ESL games, so realistically we are trying to be Pro in a touch football little league junior match.

This is casual game ONLY for people who see it casually. sPvP is something competitive and everything competitive has a pro side. Is like telling that handball isnt a professional sport because very few people see it that way comparing to football. But handball is a sport even if is not a top popular one. Unlike what most people believe profesionalism has to do with competition. Not with popularity. Is you who have to understand that sPvP is something competitive and will always have a pro scence and in a esport direction , but has lots of casual play it too…not the other way.

My opinion about this is while i appreciate that we make solo ques or duo ques and i support that, i would also appreciate if there was a option to que as a group.
BUT and read it with a big BUT. If you decide to group que, then you will only play against another group, which can mean that you will have a rather long que time to get a match, but this will be your choice. If you want to que for a group then group it is. Do not place 5 random cannon food players so that the group will not be unhappy due to long que time. Make it totally separate but make it as a choice, because it is a team game after all and there are groups out there that want to play together. Give them the choice. but as a separate que and que time.

Emmrahil.1934:

sephiroth.4217:

Jourdelune.7456:

Wow, let’s play a team based ranked games without giving a team a shot.

@confused

No offense to the Pros, but this is a casual game. We have nothing in comparison to real ESL games, so realistically we are trying to be Pro in a touch football little league junior match.

This is casual game ONLY for people who see it casually. sPvP is something competitive and everything competitive has a pro side. Is like telling that handball isnt a professional sport because very few people see it that way comparing to football. But handball is a sport even if is not a top popular one. Unlike what most people believe profesionalism has to do with competition. Not with popularity. Is you who have to understand that sPvP is something competitive and will always have a pro scence and in a esport direction , but has lots of casual play it too…not the other way.

I’m not saying there’s no Pro scene at all, I’m saying in Comparison to LoL and DOTA and other games, we are the junior league football match. Every junior league has the best players/teams. (in terms to what you quoted me anyway)

Junior touch leagues are competitive too, it’s not just about fun. Parents bet on teams and support the match for their kids sake, reward them and make them feel special about what they do, keeps the scene active and players playing.

https://www.socialbakers.com/statistics/facebook/pages/detail/1424259884471711-esl-guild-wars-2

Not sure how accurate it is, but we only spiked at 3.5k views.

Now compare that too, “On Twitch alone, 860,992 fans watched the finals on March the 15th at the ‘pure’ peak concurrent viewership, with CS:GO being the most watched game on the streaming platform over the course of most of the tournament. The English stream alone managed to peak at an amazing 608,923 viewers! Overall, the tournament drew 8,785,740 unique visitors and 16 million hours watched.”

Don’t get me wrong, I wish we were doing a lot better. But it is, what it is.

Just rollback to release day please. All things gonna be fine. Separated solo-team ques, separated pvp-pve traits, skills, armor sets.

I remember first shark rank player. We watched that finisher on youtube was unbelievable..

PvP was uniqe, hard (maybe impossible) to get top rank and many beautiful things.. You ruined everything about pvp..

Darkside.7182:

Just rollback to release day please. All things gonna be fine. Separated solo-team ques, separated pvp-pve traits, skills, armor sets.

I remember first shark rank player. We watched that finisher on youtube was unbelievable..

PvP was uniqe, hard (maybe impossible) to get top rank and many beautiful things.. You ruined everything about pvp..

Well this is a silly post. No matter what game or game mode you play, you can never get back the feeling when you done something the first time. If this is what you are looking for you will be constantly disappointed in your life because the reason why that felt so good was because it was the first time. And the first time everything feels hard to make. Later when you learned it is not as hard as it was the first time.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Third, many of you have asked and we wanted to confirm: the next balance update will ship this month.

Fourth, AcademyGaming will be hosting the return of Tournament of Legends in early November. More information will be released on this soon, but the short of it is that anyone can sign up (first come, first served) and earn rewards such as legendary weapons, precursors, and legendary crafting mats. We wanted to let you know ahead of time so you can start creating your teams and such.

Ok thanks for letting us know ahead of time about that tournament. It is good so we can start creating teams etc. like said.
But you know what is also very important to know? yep, the other point i quoted. Balance changes… We need to know them, we need to test them, we need to let new meta settle. That takes time.. And the tournament is aprox. one month away.. And where’s the balance? Yep. Time is falling short…

TL:DR – Panic.

It’s either soloQ or stay as-is. No duoQ.

Thanks for the communication.

While I do wish you were able to discuss the details of the upcoming changes, so they could be deliberated on before they’re basically already out the door, I do recognize that that policy isn’t yours to decide. While frustrating, I know it isn’t your fault specifically and more the problem of internet echo chambers.

I guess here’s to hoping that the changes work out for you guys and I’ll be back when the next LS chapter or season start.

Emmrahil.1934:

sephiroth.4217:

Jourdelune.7456:

Wow, let’s play a team based ranked games without giving a team a shot.

@confused

No offense to the Pros, but this is a casual game. We have nothing in comparison to real ESL games, so realistically we are trying to be Pro in a touch football little league junior match.

This is casual game ONLY for people who see it casually. sPvP is something competitive and everything competitive has a pro side. Is like telling that handball isnt a professional sport because very few people see it that way comparing to football. But handball is a sport even if is not a top popular one. Unlike what most people believe profesionalism has to do with competition. Not with popularity. Is you who have to understand that sPvP is something competitive and will always have a pro scence and in a esport direction , but has lots of casual play it too…not the other way.

That’s where you’re wrong.

Without casual players there is no competitive scene.

Leaa.2943:

Darkside.7182:

Just rollback to release day please. All things gonna be fine. Separated solo-team ques, separated pvp-pve traits, skills, armor sets.

I remember first shark rank player. We watched that finisher on youtube was unbelievable..

PvP was uniqe, hard (maybe impossible) to get top rank and many beautiful things.. You ruined everything about pvp..

Well this is a silly post. No matter what game or game mode you play, you can never get back the feeling when you done something the first time. If this is what you are looking for you will be constantly disappointed in your life because the reason why that felt so good was because it was the first time. And the first time everything feels hard to make. Later when you learned it is not as hard as it was the first time.

I think he is referring to the old system where the highest rank was Pheonix…. Then they changed it too anyone with Wolf was boosted to Dragon rank. It was a very slow progression system that separated dedicated PvP players from the rest.

At one stage there was only 2-3 Pheonix people, seeing that finisher in WvW actually made people stop fighting to admire the finisher. A wolf finisher was enough to make some people say “holy kitten”.

pvp league systems is fine. its remind players who want to progress in their league to create a good team. good idea. cant rely on pug everytime. takes time, chat with pugs, form a team.