Guild Wars 2

I do not think that the matchmaking system is balanced, fair, or fun. Within the past few days, I have played exactly 50 solo-qued PvP games. I think I won 5 of them, although I am unsure.

There should be no reason why ANY player should lose 45 out of 50 ranked games played. Regardless of personal skill and regardless of any other variables. Arenanet should optimize their matchmaking system so that every GW2 lover can enjoy the game (aka have a fun gaming experience). Obviously there is something wrong here, and I don’t know what kind of nutjob would argue with my evidence.

The rumor going around is after a losestreak, players are pitted with bots and are matched against premade groups that lowered their MMR purposely to get better games.

I made a video of my gameplay so that everyone accusing me of being a bad player can see for themselves the reality of my gaming experience. Hypothetically, even if I am a bad player, I should still have a higher win/loss ratio than 5/50 ranked games won.

My overall win/loss ratio is bad because I never qued unranked when I started playing the game a year ago and I like experimenting with other classes to try new stuff. Since the launch of HoT, I have not messed around.

Support Cleric Elementalist Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ_1sDVt_rI
Corruptionmancer Gameplay (shorter): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqxIoHT0oyY&feature=youtu.be

Stop playing theif problem solved

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Stop playing power Necro problem solved

I kid, looks like you’re just unlucky, you’ll get decent matches eventually I guess.
That said, Thieves do get used a fair bit this season and I’ve seen more than a few that have pulled their weight and more in a match.

Dev stated that losing game does not lower your mmr so this is oyur answer. There is also no information that it is fixed. So u are bound to improve, find full premade perfect composition or stay in sapphire.

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

Urejt.5648:

Dev stated that losing game does not lower your mmr

Losing a game against significantly higher rated opponents does not, not any games. If your opponent has an mmr close to yours you will lose mmr. Problem is this takes no account of team comp.

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

Im in emerald.

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

It does matter. Try playing a glass cannon with no engi or ele.

Riku.1093:

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

Im in emerald.

Then just play with people you know, you don’t have anything to prove, this system is a mess and requires players to have luck or grind each days instead of having fun and getting better.

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

Im in emerald.

Then just play with people you know, you don’t have anything to prove, this system is a mess and requires players to have luck or grind each days instead of having fun and getting better.

It’s pretty hard to find players that know how to pvp decently. Especially find enough players to make a full group. I tried pvping with one friend that a trust, and we got wrecked. Queing as a duo isn’t really the best way to cheat the horrible mmr system.

New screenshot. Not 1 win in the past 24 hours.

I rly believe my mmr is bugged, there’s no other way.

If I SoloQ = 70-80% matches a reblowouts (mostly loss ofc LEL)
If I DuoQ = 90% or more matches are blowouts and lost

I’ll tell you why you have that losing streak; you keep losing because you’re getting consistently outclassed by better players. You can record footage and see what mistakes you make.

You aren’t even a shark yet whereas most PvP’ers are dragon rank. What this translates to is you are far less experienced than most.

And be water.

Stop playing pvp = problem solved.

Ragnarox.9601:

Stop playing pvp = problem solved.

Why would quit a game we paid for?
They should adjust their matchmaking, simple as that.

Such stupid answer rofl.

I got the serious case of the giggles with the opening to this thread

Riku.1093:

Before the expansion, I used to consider myself a pro player.

Pro player -just over 500 ranked games played

Riku.1093:

I won almost every match with my guardian.

Favorite profession – warrior

Call yourself whatever you want if it helps you sleep at night I guess. At least use the crop feature.

Pictures 1 and 2 teammates are saying the same thing. Rather than banking on being teamed up with someone that will carry, try actually learning tactics

Yea, sorry to say but most everyone on here that has come to these forums to say “..omg match ranking is so bad, I’m to good to be here why am I stuck. I was pro before!” Doesn’t really work. If you are losing that much I am inclined to say that maybe it’s you. Just maybe. Even with bad team composition, and player skill variation for the other 4, you should theoretically be winning more at least half your matches. But hey sometimes kitten happens, don’t take what I say as written in stone.

Can try to team up with people if you really want to get out of Emerald. Try again later. Maybe record yourself, or change up your build to adapt to what most people are bringing.

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

Nope. It’s basically RNG as far as winning a match with a Thief on your team. Either the Thief works and bursts down a single target while making backcap plays, or he hits a brick wall (due to comp he’s facing) and can’t do either. I see too many Thieves rotating from point-to-point, unable to do a thing.

@op
Your previous meta experience with Guardian means zilch. Your playing as Thief & Necro now.. in a completely different meta… not sure why you even bothered to add your prepatch experiences when it has nothing to do with your lose streaks.

@Crimson Shi. Ok I can agree with what you say, but them the following happened to me few times already. After winning series of 8-12 games I lost 5-7 in a row. Not close games, but games where my team lost with 100, 150 to 500.
Can you explain to me why is this happening? And how is this a mirror to what I showed the day before?! There is something very wrong in the matchmaking system. If this loses were with very close points I can say I my team played bad or we got outplayed, but every one of this game feels like playing against pro league teams. And then all of a sudden I start winning again and the table turn 180 degree.
Its flawed.

The illuminaty doesn’t want you to win, obviously. Also, what does your guard experience have to do with your performance on thief? Its obvious you’re nowhere near as proficient on thief as you are on your guardian.

mazut.4296:

@Crimson Shi. Ok I can agree with what you say, but them the following happened to me few times already. After winning series of 8-12 games I lost 5-7 in a row. Not close games, but games where my team lost with 100, 150 to 500.
Can you explain to me why is this happening? And how is this a mirror to what I showed the day before?! There is something very wrong in the matchmaking system. If this loses were with very close points I can say I my team played bad or we got outplayed, but every one of this game feels like playing against pro league teams. And then all of a sudden I start winning again and the table turn 180 degree.
Its flawed.

Were you solo and running with a premade team? If solo thats the risk. There isn’t always going to be a perfect pool of 9 other players exactly at your skill level – end result the system has to take player from below and above to fill in gaps. We already have terribly long queue times ( have you watch supcuties late streams? 30+ mins, he is lucky to spend all day to do daily) do you really want to stand by waiting for longer just for potitenally equal matchs ( nothing is definite by merely looking at stats)

If team – focus on areas where you can improve.

The last bit you kind of fell off on a tangent. Do you want a system where your always granted a win or do you want a system to test your abilities until you hit a ceiling with your current abilities? If the latter then I’d say the system is working and its just feelings of inflated egos over last seasons mess.

echo.2053:

mazut.4296:

@Crimson Shi. Ok I can agree with what you say, but them the following happened to me few times already. After winning series of 8-12 games I lost 5-7 in a row. Not close games, but games where my team lost with 100, 150 to 500.
Can you explain to me why is this happening? And how is this a mirror to what I showed the day before?! There is something very wrong in the matchmaking system. If this loses were with very close points I can say I my team played bad or we got outplayed, but every one of this game feels like playing against pro league teams. And then all of a sudden I start winning again and the table turn 180 degree.
Its flawed.

Were you solo and running with a premade team? If solo thats the risk. There isn’t always going to be a perfect pool of 9 other players exactly at your skill level – end result the system has to take player from below and above to fill in gaps. We already have terribly long queue times ( have you watch supcuties late streams? 30+ mins, he is lucky to spend all day to do daily) do you really want to stand by waiting for longer just for potitenally equal matchs ( nothing is definite by merely looking at stats)

If team – focus on areas where you can improve.

The last bit you kind of fell off on a tangent. Do you want a system where your always granted a win or do you want a system to test your abilities until you hit a ceiling with your current abilities? If the latter then I’d say the system is working and its just feelings of inflated egos over last seasons mess.

I’m playing solo. You make a good point, perfect match will lead to endless waiting, but we see the opposite here. I don’t know anymore if I’m winning because I played good or because the system threw at me target dummy. Also the win/lose ratio is very inconsistent. It feels wrong and it doesn’t encourage me to keep playing. No it pushes me to stop when I start losing, by giving me worst team players, but matching against better. And no I don’t want to win every time, but when I lose I want to feel I had a chance of winning.

I would be happy enough if I stopped getting people that seem to be losing on purpose.

How can I keep getting people that end up with less than 10 personal score and over 20 deaths at the end of the match?

just got completely stomped after 30 min of queue, next game the enemies got farmed to almost 500-0, it´s very rare to get good games. The system randomly groups all ranks together cause it cant find people on equal level and it cant take into account that some classes are more valuable than others.

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

You have a 40% win ratio in ranked. I think that is a pretty good explanation.

lol rank 59 might have something to do with it

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

There is plenty of thieves in diamond/legend atm (including myself :P)

Try mesmer?

15chars

Riku.1093:

New screenshot. Not 1 win in the past 24 hours.

Your staff elementalist build is way off from what is usable in ranked. I mean, you’re taking triple cantrips. Are you playing berserker?! If so, I’m almost convinced you’re trolling if you’re suggesting that you expect to actually do well with such a build.

If you’re playing a clerics build you’re playing it very sub-optimally without Rune of the Soldier and shouts for condi removal. Try checking my staff build as a good starting point if you really want to play staff support.

At a guess I would say you are in the High Amber / low Emerald player pool. That you are getting matched with the same few players again and again and against the same players on repeat. Meaning that when you lose a match you replay it 2-3 more times with similar results.

It is frustrating. It is endless and I don’t have any suggestions to improve it, because we both know that as soon as you team up with someone your going to get matched against a guild 5 man premade on foefire.

All I can say is don’t play for the wins. If you focus only on winning you’ll get frustrated quicker and your game play will suffer. Focus on improving yourself, having good fights and if you are lucky even the occasional good match. Will you suddenly get a win streak? Nope. But you might get more enjoyment out of the game.

I talked about my experience with guardian because you learn things about the mapping of pvp and other strategies that are not class-specific. It could be as simple as removing boons or timing interrupts. Anyway, I’ve been playing a bunch of different classes this expansion to learn their strengths and weaknesses and I feel pretty confident that I know what I’m doing when I play necromancer, thief, and elementalist. If I didn’t, I would have taken my skill into accountability and I wouldn’t have even posted those pictures.

I’ll have more pictures tonight and maybe a video of my gameplay. I have also tried playing with my guild and friends, and we get stomped every match.

Riku.1093:

I talked about my experience with guardian because you learn things about the mapping of pvp and other strategies that are not class-specific. It could be as simple as removing boons or timing interrupts. Anyway, I’ve been playing a bunch of different classes this expansion to learn their strengths and weaknesses and I feel pretty confident that I know what I’m doing when I play necromancer, thief, and elementalist. If I didn’t, I would have taken my skill into accountability and I wouldn’t have even posted those pictures.

I’ll have more pictures tonight and maybe a video of my gameplay. I have also tried playing with my guild and friends, and we get stomped every match.

If you q up with full group make sure almost all players in group have good pvp experience or you get stomped. Party up with friends or some random guild players is not enough, you have to look for the good players.

Devs: Working as intended.

Henrik.7560:

Try mesmer?

15chars

Really man… Its obvious you are playing with premade team. We are talking about random you get every game…

New screenshot. At least the last few games have been somewhat better.

I feel your pain OP, I really do. This season has been an utter clusterkitten.

This is the quality of people who are complaining about losing streaks. YOU’RE RUNNING BERSERKER AMULET thief and you want to know why you have a long losing streak…my goodness.

Riku.1093:

Before the expansion, I used to consider myself a pro player.

You have 103 unranked and 205 ranked wins and call yourself a pro player?

Riku.1093:

I won almost every match with my guardian.

Seeing your stats, that can’t be much games.

There are a few players with over 10,000 ranked wins. You’re not pro, you’re extremely new to PvP.

Practice in unranked on various professions until you figure out what you’re supposed to be doing.

Riku.1093:

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

Im in emerald.

my god, with such a losing streak, on emerald, at this time, what do you expect? you will get bots and worse on your team. Just find at least one decent player and teamup with him. You will start winning games and your mmr will eventually recover but, after losing so much, it will take time.

echo.2053:

mazut.4296:

@Crimson Shi. Ok I can agree with what you say, but them the following happened to me few times already. After winning series of 8-12 games I lost 5-7 in a row. Not close games, but games where my team lost with 100, 150 to 500.
Can you explain to me why is this happening? And how is this a mirror to what I showed the day before?! There is something very wrong in the matchmaking system. If this loses were with very close points I can say I my team played bad or we got outplayed, but every one of this game feels like playing against pro league teams. And then all of a sudden I start winning again and the table turn 180 degree.
Its flawed.

Were you solo and running with a premade team? If solo thats the risk. There isn’t always going to be a perfect pool of 9 other players exactly at your skill level – end result the system has to take player from below and above to fill in gaps. We already have terribly long queue times ( have you watch supcuties late streams? 30+ mins, he is lucky to spend all day to do daily) do you really want to stand by waiting for longer just for potitenally equal matchs ( nothing is definite by merely looking at stats)

If team – focus on areas where you can improve.

The last bit you kind of fell off on a tangent. Do you want a system where your always granted a win or do you want a system to test your abilities until you hit a ceiling with your current abilities? If the latter then I’d say the system is working and its just feelings of inflated egos over last seasons mess.

Lol, you have to be joking.; even pro 0 layers don’t like this system. They still have blowouts in legendary ?? What type of system is this. Any system that match X vs X is faulty. The OP argument is valid, it useless to blame him for his shortfalls when the MMR algorithm says:

We will match you with folks around your MMR but won’t consider your team MMR to find you opponents.

I belive what the OP want is a system where each team has a 50/50 chance at winning not a jumbo slot.

Aenesthesia.1697:

Riku.1093:

Amineo.8951:

Riku.1093:

Extreme.8350:

Stop playing theif problem solved

Okay, then explain this. Rumor has it, necro is one of the strongest classes in the game for pvp.

Doesn’t matter with the class people are playing, it’s basically RNG when you reach Ruby in SoloQ this season…

Im in emerald.

my god, with such a losing streak, on emerald, at this time, what do you expect? you will get bots and worse on your team. Just find at least one decent player and teamup with him. You will start winning games and your mmr will eventually recover but, after losing so much, it will take time.

He is being farmed by saphire, the way the system is setup he has no chance at recovering since it’s low MMR vs high MMR. Stupid algorithm

Reykiss??

Low games played: check.
Winning percentage under 40%: check.
Considers self a pro player: check.

Congratulations OP, I believe you meet the requirements to complain about GW2 matchmaking.

Truth is everyone loses but nobody good goes on losing streaks.

Everyone of these threads are made by players who think they are better than they really are and think they should have teammates to carry them in games that they should of won if they played better.
Thief is not all that bad in fact thief can carry a lot of games by keeping far capped decapped all game. It’s a tell tale sign hes bad at thief. Doesn’t understand how to rotate as a thief.

No one that makes these threads ever takes responsibility for losses its always anet put me on s bad team. That may be true but not every team is so bad that you can’t carry them and if you can’t carry half bad teams your never going to win. Bcuz half bad teams make up a majority of the teams i’m on and I still win.

Celeras.4980:

Low games played: check.
Winning percentage under 40%: check.
Considers self a pro player: check.

Congratulations OP, I believe you meet the requirements to complain about GW2 matchmaking.

A lot of those games have been me trying out other builds and experimenting with my own builds… as well as giving other classes a chance. I rarely que unranked because I don’t like the maps.

Riku.1093:

Celeras.4980:

Low games played: check.
Winning percentage under 40%: check.
Considers self a pro player: check.

Congratulations OP, I believe you meet the requirements to complain about GW2 matchmaking.

A lot of those games have been me trying out other builds and experimenting with my own builds… as well as giving other classes a chance. I rarely que unranked because I don’t like the maps.

And you don’t think thats a good reason why you lost so much kek.

Warlord.9074:

Riku.1093:

Celeras.4980:

Low games played: check.
Winning percentage under 40%: check.
Considers self a pro player: check.

Congratulations OP, I believe you meet the requirements to complain about GW2 matchmaking.

A lot of those games have been me trying out other builds and experimenting with my own builds… as well as giving other classes a chance. I rarely que unranked because I don’t like the maps.

And you don’t think thats a good reason why you lost so much kek.

That was before the expansion when I did all of that experimentation anyway. I could always just make a youtube video of my gameplay.

Riku.1093:

I could always just make a youtube video of my gameplay.

That would help to judge if you problem is the “Dunning–Kruger effect”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

or bad matchmaking.