I just have a suggestion for this map, when the forest creatures come up you have to take them out for the extra 25 points, but the problem with this mechanic is that the kill is based on the last hit, so if someone is battling hard to get it and does most of the work, then a ranger comes around the corner and does a one shot for the win, this is not really balanced and unfair, but if like in Foefire were you need to finish them, then that would be better, then you will need to earn this kill
unfortunatly you foget 1 important thing, it is a creature and not a humonoid. creatures have no soul, so they do not get downed, they only get killed and disappear
No? Map control and having to know where the enemy roamers are to secure beast kills is one of the things that makes Niflhel unique.
If somebody steals a beast from you, it’s your fault because it could have been prevented.
The forest creatures work just fine. You don’t “have” to kill them. In fact you should probably ignore them unless its really close at the end and you need to catch up or it can win it for you at the end.
But are you really being serious? It’s totally fair and balanced, and fine as it is. You should be punished for being unaware of the enemy players in your vicinity, or for engaging in combat knowing you don’t have any burst damage to deal with enemy sneak attacks.
and your Q is not even a question…it’s a suggestion… You might as well change your signature to say “I’m new to the game and want to complain about mechanics that i don’t understand”
Think of the beasts as bonuses for the roamers to grab if they are convenient. A beast isn’t mandatory (all the beast are roughly 150 points if you kill all of them shortly after spawning) but can turn the tide if you can grab them.
The last hit mechanic means both sides have a 50/50 shot if they are contesting the same beast regardless of when they showed up. That is more fair than just counting overall damage or giving it a downed state. It’s 25 points not the 150 lord is worth.
Beasts are one of the better map mechanics imo. You can even help the beast kill a player and then kill the beast to help avoid the chance the points will go to the other team. You can also use beasts to lure people off point, decap, and still have a solid chance at taking beast as well.
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You are punished for your low awareness, and cannot blame the game mechanic.
The animal should only be engaged if you have safely wiped their team in a teamfight or skirmish and you are certain they cannot extend over to steal. While you are struggling with PvE, your team is 4v5 over the map in a disadvantage. One of the best times is when you push their home node and some are on respawn.
Mostly if you are unsure, play it safe and just react to animal attempts, don’t open on your own if you don’t know where the enemy thief is or enemies are close by.
Animal while score is over 400 is very significant since it will be comparatively a massive chunk towards victory, and this is where you gamble for a kill/steal.
One way to check if they are doing animal is to check if the icon is moving – some teams may manage to hold it still where it stands so you don’t know if they are doing it, but smart roamers can predict based on minimap and try to reactively steal animal.
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The bosses in forest are perfectly balanced. If something like what the OP suggests was brought in, I would start hating the mechanic. Why change something that is not broken?
And yes, as others have said, if you go for boss at all unless it is near the end of the game and you need it to win, or if the enemy team just wiped on your close, then you are just putting your team at a disadvantage. Going for boss is what causes your team to lose the teamfight because they are outnumbered and then you end up losing 100+ points to the enemy team because of this. The extra 25 points you get means practically nothing in this case.
In addition, stealing bosses is not unfair or unbalanced at all. It takes skill and timing to successfully steal a boss and most of the time, the boss kill is decided by whoever times their burst skill correctly at the end. Yes, sometimes it truly is random chance (for example I got a boss kill with a staff auto attack vs a Rev, thief and 1 other. This was on stream too and it won me the game, hahaha). But the vast majority of times it is down to timing your skills correctly and this is an element of skill that should absolutely not be removed from the game.
That is part of the map strategy = stealing beasts. The only issue with it is, as mentioned, condis – even if you should get last hit because you took last 5% of the beast with 1 attack, the enemy that applied condis will most likely still get the credit for it due to how condis work. Have seen it happen way too many times.
Biggest problem I’ve had with the beasts isn’t getting them stolen. Its when we are doing okay controlling the points, the beasts appear and half the team runs off to slay them leaving us to get decapped. A nice enough boost but I think some people put way too much importance in them.
Good example for a pve player crying about simple pvp mechanics he doesn´t understand.
It´s wanted like this man. LOL
It´s supposed to be a “competeiv” game mode. Just get out of here. LOL
Can´t believe it. He thinks it´s “not fair”. xD
That is part of the map strategy = stealing beasts. The only issue with it is, as mentioned, condis – even if you should get last hit because you took last 5% of the beast with 1 attack, the enemy that applied condis will most likely still get the credit for it due to how condis work. Have seen it happen way too many times.
That’s not how it works.
If the boss dies to a condi tick and both teams have stacks of that condi on the beast, then it’s effectively random.
If the boss dies to a power attack, the points will always go to the team that dealt that attack.
That is part of the map strategy = stealing beasts. The only issue with it is, as mentioned, condis – even if you should get last hit because you took last 5% of the beast with 1 attack, the enemy that applied condis will most likely still get the credit for it due to how condis work. Have seen it happen way too many times.
That’s not how it works.
If the boss dies to a condi tick and both teams have stacks of that condi on the beast, then it’s effectively random.
If the boss dies to a power attack, the points will always go to the team that dealt that attack.
