Guild Wars 2

Hello hello dear developers,

another kitten here making your lives terrible coming up with a suggestion!
Now that said, I like Fractal weapon skins. I like fractal weapon skins a lot.
I am a dedicated PvP player, running my own guild and I find it extremeley
annoying to do a part of the game that I don’t like at all, in order to get nice skins.
I’ve been putting a lot of work into creating a legendary and I really can’t be kitten d doing boring dungeons (well, for me fractals is kind off a dungeon) in order to get those skins.

So just throwing in an idea: Would it be an idea inventing Fractal tracks into the PvP system? I feel like the current PvP reward system improved a bit, but compared to the hard work you put into it to improve yourself, it feels like miauws (‘cause kitten is too mainstream). So just a Fractal track which allows you to get the weapon skins out of boxes but just with a low succes rate, so it’s as hard to obtain them as if you’re doing the real fractals.

Much love,

Vindex

Magnito.6187:

Fractal track which allows you to get the weapon skins out of boxes but just with a low succes rate, so it’s as hard to obtain them as if you’re doing the real fractals.

Given this condition, i support this.

That will make Fractal skins become common skin, So please don’t do that.

KumaTazZ.8054:

That will make Fractal skins become common skin, So please don’t do that.

How does it make it common as they’re are as hard to obtain in PvP as in the actual Fractals?

we really do need a fractal track, even if the drop rates are extremely low or the track is ridiculously long,
i want a chance at getting the tonic!

KumaTazZ.8054:

That will make Fractal skins become common skin, So please don’t do that.

Yeah, just like Legendaries became so common now when we have the possibility to get a precursor from PvP chests. Do anyone actually have a precursor drop from PvP chest? Come on guys, don’t hide, wave your precursors.

Support for the idea for Fractal Tracks in PvP.

KumaTazZ.8054:

That will make Fractal skins become common skin, So please don’t do that.

Everything in pvp is common in pve…and you only farm mobs for dat so…

They did a good job with the last reward track for the new zone, they removed rng component for the fossil that there is in pve with the final reward, so after x time you get a guaranteed reward.

I like this approach, it should be applied to other rng stuff, fractal skins included.

Magnito.6187:

Hello hello dear developers,

another kitten here making your lives terrible coming up with a suggestion!
Now that said, I like Fractal weapon skins. I like fractal weapon skins a lot.
I am a dedicated PvP player, running my own guild and I find it extremeley
annoying to do a part of the game that I don’t like at all, in order to get nice skins.
I’ve been putting a lot of work into creating a legendary and I really can’t be kitten d doing boring dungeons (well, for me fractals is kind off a dungeon) in order to get those skins.

So just throwing in an idea: Would it be an idea inventing Fractal tracks into the PvP system? I feel like the current PvP reward system improved a bit, but compared to the hard work you put into it to improve yourself, it feels like miauws (‘cause kitten is too mainstream). So just a Fractal track which allows you to get the weapon skins out of boxes but just with a low succes rate, so it’s as hard to obtain them as if you’re doing the real fractals.

Much love,

Vindex

I would support this if the Fractal weapon skin out of the box at the end of the track was RNG based just like the Fractals. It’s a different situation than the dungeon skins because in the dungeons you have tokens for a guaranteed weapon or piece of armor. The Fractals currently have zero implementation for players to earn the skins. You have to get them through RNG. Before any of this is added to PvP though, they really should offer a way to turn in Fractal relics as tokens to get Fractal weapon skins and have vendor for it. Then and only then could they add in a PvP track to get the skins at the end of said track.

Let the pvp guys have their fractal tridents!

if the reward track can only be done with real tournament games then yes

if it is possible with hotjoin too then no

anet should create a new type of reward track where you can only progress with tournament games!

but then again… it is the only pve exclusive reward that exists
and the only pve reward with prestige since it shows that you actually have beaten the only sort of hard content in pve…

There’s little reason enough to run Fractals as it is. Make these skins available in PvP and you’ll see a hell of a lot of people stop running Fractals. If you give Fractals a new reward to replace skins, then PvPers will just ask for that too.

Leave Fractal skins in Fractals. If you only play one part of the game, there’s no reason for you to be awarded like you play all of them.

I run Fractals regularly. After 2500+ fractals, most of which are high lvl 30’s-low 40’s I have obtained sword x2 and torch x1. They are entirely RnG to get and entirely RnG as to what skin you get if you ever get one. Sorry dear chap, but fractals skins are the only thing in game which can only be gotten from a particular area. What your asking for is akin to saying, “I am a full time chef, however I like the rewards travel agents get.” If you want the skin, time to stop playing PvP full time and dedicate enough time to run a daily fractal with all the appropriate ascended gear, infused trinkets and AR. The required investment needed to just run higher levels can’t be matched by reward tracks in PvP. However, on the brightside..I have run mid lvl 30’s with pugs that have completed all 4 in just over 30 minutes. With good treams it shouldn’t take you away from Pvp too much. Much the same as I won’t be getting Pvp skin armor from running fractals, the reverse is also true.

I will say no fractal skins are for fractals like the new armors they will add will be for pvp tourneys and reward track if they have to do something is change the way fractals weapons are rewarded in fractals.

If only they’d make the fractal skins tradeable for other other fractal skins through a vendor though.

I have too many duplicates and fractal skins I don’t want, and not the skin I really wanted.

PvP reward track would actually be much much slower than doing the fractals btw.

I strongly disagree with this. As long as they are coming out with PvP exclusive skins, which they are soon, then there should be PvE exclusive skins as well.

I used to run lv 49-50 fractals every day, the drop rate is so low you might get maybe 1 skin in months… if pvp tracks even with low rate would be added, i would never touch fractals again…

Just like posters above me said, fractals are absolute waste of time due to time/gold (for equipment) investment and crappy rewards, pvp track would make fractals obsolete.

There will be pvp only skins in the future, so let fractals have their exclusive skins.

the way i see it, fractal skins should remain content gated behind fractals and nothing else, just like PvP is getting skins that are content gated to PvP only, and WvW has skins that are content gated to WvW only.

it’s a symbol of status and proficiency in a certain field of the game, or at least that’s how it should work.

this is coming from someone that would just love to have a fractal sword, but i doubt i’ll ever get one.

Let them stay in PvE. They are nice looking but should stay where they are (as a pvper).

I would prefer more exclusives that showcase the two (or 3 if you count wvw) different areas of the game.

Keep in mind that even if Fractal weapon skins are ‘exclusive’ to PvE,
PvP has nothing ‘exclusive’ at all. If one aspect of the game has exclusive skins,
another should get it to.

Clip.6845:

If only they’d make the fractal skins tradeable for other other fractal skins through a vendor though.

I have too many duplicates and fractal skins I don’t want, and not the skin I really wanted.

PvP reward track would actually be much much slower than doing the fractals btw.

^This is a good idea. I have 2 x swords and a torch..what I want is scepter/pistol

Magnito.6187:

Keep in mind that even if Fractal weapon skins are ‘exclusive’ to PvE,
PvP has nothing ‘exclusive’ at all. If one aspect of the game has exclusive skins,
another should get it to.

Tribal/masquerade armour was PvP only. The new addition of glorious or whatever armour is also PvP exclusive. The balthazaar back piece is also exclusive to PvP. So now that 3 unique items have already been mentioned, you were saying something about how PvP has never had, or does have exclusive skins.

Issue with the balthazar backpiece is that even a fly could get it. sit in a farming server for a few hours. I’d say that if you want things to be PvP exclusive, make reward tracks unlockable at rank 35-40 or even 80 and make ranks harder to get. Anyone can hop into PvP and get all the rewards with little to no effort, while if you want to come to PvE, you need an exotic armor set, expensive runes/sigils, food, learn how to play the part of PvE that you need for the item and then it takes a long time. Like fractals weapons. You need to do x amount of fractals to get to x level and each fractals takes 1,5h. Then you have a small chance of getting a fractals weapon and you need to repeat and repeat and repeat the fractals until you get lucky and get exactly the weapon that you want. It’s a lot of time all of us would prefer to spend PvPing.

Jurica.1742:

Issue with the balthazar backpiece is that even a fly could get it. sit in a farming server for a few hours. I’d say that if you want things to be PvP exclusive, make reward tracks unlockable at rank 35-40 or even 80 and make ranks harder to get. Anyone can hop into PvP and get all the rewards with little to no effort, while if you want to come to PvE, you need an exotic armor set, expensive runes/sigils, food, learn how to play the part of PvE that you need for the item and then it takes a long time. Like fractals weapons. You need to do x amount of fractals to get to x level and each fractals takes 1,5h. Then you have a small chance of getting a fractals weapon and you need to repeat and repeat and repeat the fractals until you get lucky and get exactly the weapon that you want. It’s a lot of time all of us would prefer to spend PvPing.

Agree! Besides that, the balthazar backpiece is ugly as kitten.
And can not be compared with fractal weapon skins (one skin for each different weapon type) + They look freaking awesome!

So let’s reward ppl for playing braindead build/class in pvp with 0 effort and gold investment? Because let’s face it, pvp in this game for most part is a joke and has barely anything to do with skill or effort for that matter (not to mention, that people always find unintentional ways farm ranks). Not that pve either but at least to run 50 fractals requires some commitment.

As said before, if fractal weapons were available in pvp no matter what rank, nobody would do fractals anymore.. so fractal track is not happening.

I am all up for skins that are only obtainable via pvp though.

Cynz.9437:

So let’s reward ppl for playing braindead build/class in pvp with 0 effort and gold investment? Because let’s face it, pvp in this game for most part is a joke and has barely anything to do with skill or effort for that matter (not to mention, that people always find unintentional ways farm ranks). Not that pve either but at least to run 50 fractals requires some commitment.

As said before, if fractal weapons were available in pvp no matter what rank, nobody would do fractals anymore.. so fractal track is not happening.

I am all up for skins that are only obtainable via pvp though.

You made me lol.
Have you ever checked the ESL weekly cups? Do not tell me PvP is a joke, untill you’ve participated in the high tier tournaments. That’s one of the reasons why the way of obtaining those skins should be somehow made that you can not just ‘farm’ them.
Instead of breaking suggestions, try to make alternatives

Neither you can say fractals requires skills, a braindead mouse could do the job aswell.
It’s either expensive(to get exotic/ascend armor/trinkets) and time consuming.

And basically I don’t want to spend my time on something really boring in order to obtain some skins. If it actually was a real challenge, more skill involved, I’d love to do those runs. But it’s not.

Suggestion to this suggestion…

what about the fractal level of the one who completes the reward track is a thing that is being taken into consideration?
so a chance on something really good.. or a chance at something a fractal 50 daily can obtain faster is only for pvpers who have rank 50 as well
they will take longer.. but have the same chance
means just junk for those who havent done a lot of fractals
and for those who play both game types there is a noher way to get to the fractal tonic weapons etcetc
what then every kittening pvper who has just rank 30 in fractals which is sooo easy to obtain can get fractal weapons in pvp as well?
yeah… right…
just like he can obtain it in fractals as well…

sure fractal weapons wouldnt be pve exclusive anymore but would that really hurt anyone?
you still have tequatl weapons which are pve exclusive.. and wurms armour

all of it extremly rng based…
probly we should add tokens for all of these so at least after 50runs u can get one of these kitten things >___<

I would rather this not happen. Fractal skins are one of the few rare things in the game that take a decent time investment and some reasonable level of skill to acquire. Plus, it’s pretty much the only reason people still run fractals.

Bacon.4918:

I would rather this not happen. Fractal skins are one of the few rare things in the game that take a decent time investment and some reasonable level of skill to acquire. Plus, it’s pretty much the only reason people still run fractals.

I’ll rephrase: ‘A braindead mouse could do the job aswell’

Magnito.6187:

Bacon.4918:

I would rather this not happen. Fractal skins are one of the few rare things in the game that take a decent time investment and some reasonable level of skill to acquire. Plus, it’s pretty much the only reason people still run fractals.

I’ll rephrase: ‘A braindead mouse could do the job aswell’

Then you can do Factrals yourself and unlock it !
Instead of whinning > start playing it !
Or you cant do a better job of a ‘’braindead mouse’’ ?

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Magnito.6187:

Bacon.4918:

I would rather this not happen. Fractal skins are one of the few rare things in the game that take a decent time investment and some reasonable level of skill to acquire. Plus, it’s pretty much the only reason people still run fractals.

I’ll rephrase: ‘A braindead mouse could do the job aswell’

Then you can do Factrals yourself and unlock it !
Instead of whinning > start playing it !
Or you cant do a better job of a ‘’braindead mouse’’ ?

As I said before, it’s boring as kitten and very time consuming, bad combo

Magnito.6187:

Cynz.9437:

So let’s reward ppl for playing braindead build/class in pvp with 0 effort and gold investment? Because let’s face it, pvp in this game for most part is a joke and has barely anything to do with skill or effort for that matter (not to mention, that people always find unintentional ways farm ranks). Not that pve either but at least to run 50 fractals requires some commitment.

As said before, if fractal weapons were available in pvp no matter what rank, nobody would do fractals anymore.. so fractal track is not happening.

I am all up for skins that are only obtainable via pvp though.

You made me lol.
Have you ever checked the ESL weekly cups? Do not tell me PvP is a joke, untill you’ve participated in the high tier tournaments. That’s one of the reasons why the way of obtaining those skins should be somehow made that you can not just ‘farm’ them.
Instead of breaking suggestions, try to make alternatives

+1
PvP is a joke at lower levels. If you are a decent PvP player you get past those levels somewhat quick and see for yourself. Though it’s a pain to do without a proper team which you need to organize. Not just ESL cups. tPvP can be really skill required if you’re up against a good team. Sometimes you get a noob team who you wreck 500 -13, sometimes you get a team with Vindex in it and you have some trouble but make it :P. Sometimes you get a team that gets a lead on you and you manage to make an amazing comeback like we had in temple where our enemy had 497 points, we capped lower buff just in time, managed to hold all 3 points with 0 deaths and we ended up winning from 40 point difference. And sometimes you just get Cheese Mode and loose 500 – 13. The more you win with your team, the higher you get on the leaderboard and the tougher the opponents are. You may say ‘well, not everyone has a team!’ – Make one. I had no team for a while. I spent a while in the 1v1 king of the hill server, found myself excellent players and now we’re kicking kitten for up to 2-3h/day, we loose 1-2 games out of every 10 that we play which is great in my opinion. SoloQ and arena matches are a mess most of the time due to every noob being able to get it and mostly every team having 1-2 noobs and no communication outside of chat which is very, very hard to use as you have to stop fighting while a necro is attacking you to type something. If you want things to be more competative and harder, form a team and try to get as high up the leaderboards as you can. Get put up against Cheese Mode or 55HP Monks and get wrecked by them a few times. The fix to ‘if they were obtainable by PvP…’ is in my previous post.

Honestly. I would be perfectly fine with fractal skins being PvE only, IF we get PvP only skins that look good and aren’t obtainable by sitting in a rank farm server. I think generally rank farm servers should be removed.

Define lower levels, i been around top 100 and i fought Caed, Rar, Nothingg and co.

PvP in this game is still a joke, no matter what levels. There is handfull of players who are actually good (i am terrible compared to them ._. ), rest are just like everyone else playing max cheese you can sqeeze out of current crappy balance. Especially considering how only 1 game mode actually promotes bunkering and brainless aoe/ai spam on point. I do not believe that majority of pvp’ers really invest more or deserve fractal skins more than players running lv 50 every day.

Point is, adding fractal pvp track would make entire fractal content obsolete since getting those skins by just pvping (even with rank requirement) is still less investment than months of runs and hundrets of gold, not to mention organizing all those lv 50 runs just for the chance for the skin. If you think high lv fractals are such a joke, go ahead, run them, i highly doubt you will last long enough to reach 50 and actually get a skin.

I love pvp, i do not like doing fractals so much (nor pve for that matter) but after i invested so much time in fractals i can see how many ppl will be really (mildly put) unpleased if track was added and how fractals would die out as content.

I would rather look foward new rewards and skins from pvp.

As long as it’s rare, because you can finish a track in a day pretty easily, and the time it takes to get a fractal weapon in PvE is usually waayyy longer than one day.

I don’t know why you still say that because, at least in my eyes, PvP is not like that at a decent level, let alone where you say you were playing.
The last part I agreed with in my post.
Are you from NA? I have little to no clue who those players that you mentioned are.

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

Do anyone actually have a precursor drop from PvP chest? Come on guys, don’t hide, wave your precursors.

Support for the idea for Fractal Tracks in PvP.

i got dusk yesterday... i couldn’t believe my eyes

and also. i support the fractal track. just make the final chest like the fractal daily chest or sth and you can only advance in level if you do actual fractals.

Jurica.1742:

Are you from NA? I have little to no clue who those players that you mentioned are.

i believe they are NA. maybe that’s the reason why he says pvp is a joke, after seeing the all stars tournament :P

tanztante.6532:

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

Do anyone actually have a precursor drop from PvP chest? Come on guys, don’t hide, wave your precursors.

Support for the idea for Fractal Tracks in PvP.

i got dusk yesterday… i couldn’t believe my eyes

OMG can I hate you? Really? Do you have a screenshot? Why are you so lucky kitten?

Gratz

i have one, it somehow removed the mouseover tooltip, but if you really want, here it goes:

tanztante.6532:

Eyia Hellhide.7320:

Do anyone actually have a precursor drop from PvP chest? Come on guys, don’t hide, wave your precursors.

Support for the idea for Fractal Tracks in PvP.

i got dusk yesterday… i couldn’t believe my eyes

and also. i support the fractal track. just make the final chest like the fractal daily chest or sth and you can only advance in level if you do actual fractals.

Jurica.1742:

Are you from NA? I have little to no clue who those players that you mentioned are.

i believe they are NA. maybe that’s the reason why he says pvp is a joke, after seeing the all stars tournament :P

+1 Final chest like the daily reward chest in Fractals!
Brilliant idea, makes it even a bit more time consuming, but still you can remain doing what you like to do : PvP

About ‘PvP being a joke’ I don’t even want to start on it. Clearly it seems to be a lot easier in NA compared to EU

Gratz man! Can you shoot me 100-150g lol? I’m poor as f, PvP isn’t a lot of gold and I have some IG depts.
It’s no secret that NA PvP is weaker than EU (heck, I’ve seen a video on youtube of a top 100 NA mesmer that clicked all his skills), but I don’t think it’s that much weaker honestly.
I think he has too high expectations or something like that. I don’t agree with him at all about PvP being a joke. Could be that he is lying about his experience also.
Though rank on leaderboards =/= skill. You could suck and have a really good team.
I’m up for the fractals thing, but the track should be unlocked post rank 40 or 50. Also, I think it would be fair to give a higher chance to get a weapon or the same as in PvE but that we get a choice of which weapon we want as it takes a lot longer to complete a track than to do 1 fractals.

talking about unlocking reward tracks, i’d love to see reward track progression removed from hotjoin, plus i’d like the reward tracks have similar level requirements to the real dungeons. the rewards should also be adjusted to that, of course.

were were talking about fraktal weapon CHANCE the whole time
the daily cest at the end in fractals would be the final reward at the reward track

my suggestion was the end reward scales to reward players do different content

i did not want to make fractal weapons too easy to get
and to all those fractal runenrs (if there are any that still argue pvp needs no investment while fractals need hundreds of gold to even start)

no

and even then fractals would be much faster way to get the fractal weapons
a slow fractal team will have 50 and 40 daily chest be4 a good pvp group with a perfect evening of just winnign games will have the latest reward…

(if the final reward scales with individuals fractal level then u need to do some fractals at least or u dont even get the chance of fractalweapons as well..)

None of what you suggests resolves the issues that getting skin via pvp will be still easier than running (and getting to) high lv fractals every day and making content obsolete for reasons:

- you don’t need to grind/buy gear and 75AR in pvp
- you don’t need to grind lv 50 personal reward in pvp, you can argue about pvp ranks but we all know how easily those are obtained if you do it not exactly the intended way
- you can do tpvp alone, you often have to have few party members at least to be able to finish map (dredge, swamp etc.)

P.S. Also, this whole EU is better than NA thing cracks me out. Still has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that class balance is crap, ranks can be farmed etc.

Cynz.9437:

None of what you suggests resolves the issues that getting skin via pvp will be still easier than running (and getting to) high lv fractals every day and making content obsolete for reasons:

- you don’t need to grind/buy gear and 75AR in pvp
- you don’t need to grind lv 50 personal reward in pvp, you can argue about pvp ranks but we all know how easily those are obtained if you do it not exactly the intended way
- you can do tpvp alone, you often have to have few party members at least to be able to finish map (dredge, swamp etc.)

P.S. Also, this whole EU is better than NA thing cracks me out. Still has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that class balance is crap, ranks can be farmed etc.

your personal FRACTAL LEVEL otherwise my sentence for playing different parts of the game wouldnt have made any sense at all^^
so it is easier to get to level 50 and play 50 than to get to level 50 and play pvp?

(easier make the fractal track only available after completing fractal 50 once)

one time frac 50 isnt hard it just requires some ar and a bit time
pvp a full reward track does as well just take a bit time
no ar but if u make the rewards u get from completing the fractal pvp track equal to what their actual fractal level..
well.. it takes more time you dont get a higher fractal level (in case u are not already 50)
and the chance is as small as in fractals..
ive done PLENTY of fratals as well in the ast and still doing them
i was quite lucky i got my greatsword long time ago sicne then just underwater junk unfortunately but i want sword dagger shield and many more as well

im pvping quite a bit as well

another idea to aquire fractal weapons would be 25pristiline fractal relics = 1 fractal weapon skin( or anything like this)
but then people who already got some skins would rage that all their effort was useless….

Yup true that, it just sucks that it’s random, so you don’t get to choose the skin you desire the most.. :/

This tread is like ..

I play CoF over and over everyday and I want Dragon Finisher!!!

I’d much rather they introduce new, pvp exclusive skins rather then add fractal skins into pvp. I like the fact that when I run into someone with fractal skins, I know he’s a veteran of fotm. It would also be cool if there was a set of weapons/armor that showed you are dedicated to pvp.

The fractal reward track could unlock once you hit lvl 50 in fractals of the mist.

The end reward could indeed be the boss-level daily reward with a chance for a fractal weapon. It takes way longer to get a track-reward than to do a fractal, I bet you can do 10 fractal runs (40-60 minutes each) for completing 1 pvp reward track (40-60 games at ~10 minutes each).

I think that would be an excellent solution for us players that don’t feel like running the 100th lvl 50 fractal level.

Even though I’m completely burned out on Fractals trying to obtain certain skins and love a different way of obtaining them, it just seems like a bad idea to me. Fractal skins belong in Fractals, just like they should make more (they’re introducing armor I’ve heard?) PvP-only rewards, besides the Finishers. (Same for WvW ofcourse, though Mistforged is a step in the right direction, especially since the new tournement sounds less ‘tag rewards and get out’)

I feel they’re finally on the right track making exclusive rewards.

On the other hand, if they really have to, I hope they consider requirements such a suggested by Orangensaft and Clip other posters above.