Guild Wars 2

I was just reading this thread:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/events/world-tournament-series/

Does this mean GW2 is now officially Esports? I see real Prize money…
And if this is an Esport, this is s-PvP right? Because I’m an S-PvP player…
I dont like WvWvW….

Thanks for anyone posting info

OMG! I so needed this today, my day was really gloomy until i read this amazing joke!

I honestly laughed.

SPvP being an Esport is just too funny, i had more fun watching a snail marathon!

SPvP break down.

- Stand in ring
- enemy enters ring
- Call for back up
- 2v1 in ring
- Cap ring
- Win

Pwease save my nerves.

Btw, i dont know if you were being sarcastic, because this really is a very good joke

brings 50k$ to zommoros hoping for balance, quests, storyline, and daily playability
gets sPvP tournament instead

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

^this.

Yes. Players PVP the gemstore every week or so.

Work was boring, so I came here again to have a good laugh

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

kins you are aware that League of Legends is considered an esport right?

you know

the game that centers around using PvE creep to level when no one is around and ganking out laners when it is convenient or forcing uneven fights?

I heard one of their champions even centers around not even being in fights ti’ll late game.

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

IllegalChocolate.6938:

kins you are aware that League of Legends is considered an esport right?

you know

the game that centers around using PvE creep to level when no one is around and ganking out laners when it is convenient or forcing uneven fights?

I heard one of their champions even centers around not even being in fights ti’ll late game.

Yeah I never could get into games like LoL and Dota2 but I love and enjoy GW2’s combat that’s why Im super excited for this game’s E-Sport! Finally I can experience my first E-sport game in a genre and combat system that I actually like playing! =D

calyx.9086:

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

Ur talking about gw1 tournament right?

calyx.9086:

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

I agree…
GW2 actually does have GvG… It’s called You and 4 other guild mates vs 5 other guild mates in PvP match… It can happen right now. You got the tools to start GvG so dont say you can’t do it… I mean what the hell do you expect? To PvP in PvE areas against another guild? No thanks! That would defeat the purpose of PvE.

PS. Not arguing with you, just agreeing. =P

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

Because you seem to be honest with your post, let me give a serious answer.

First, the bolded part is a problem right there. Not many people watch the streams because thre’s not much fun in doing it. This is for several reasons:

A lesser one is that the conquest game mode does not makes for many great plays. It revolves around bunkering points instead of pushing tactics. The audience greatly prefers more offensive-driven games. The scoring system has a passive feel to it. Turnbacks take a slow time and are unexciting. Generally, they come of too late. And frequently enough, tight matches are decided by whichever team is the luckiest by scoring that 1 extra point first. Which can be very accidental.

But a bigger reason is that GW2’s game design disregards visual or tactical clarity. Between the huge amount of particle effects, invisible procs, pets, skill spamming and lack of telegraphed attacks, you can’t understand anything of what is happening on the screen, even as a player, much less as a viewer. Traits sacrifice clarity and skillful playing for the sake of customisation, to make up for the very restricting skill system. Pets passive AI is mathematically too impactful and too frequent, and traits incentivate builds to bring as many pets as possible. The lack of skill weight, generally as a direct consequence of no resource/ energy system, makes skill spamming highly effective, which in turn overloads the UI with condition and boon icons, and the screen with particle effects. Traits also contribute to UI overload. No energy also leads anet’s devs to place more emphasis on skill cooldowns, which in turn demands more skill quantity to the combat system (else, you’d be auto-attacking all the time when waiting for the cooldowns to go off). On top of this, most weapon sets lack any build-up and momentum or decisive telegraphed attacks. There are many situations where skills within a weapon are all “equally useful” and equally fast, with no build-up or climax. Bad for the stream viewer, bad for competitive counter-playing tactics.

In addition to that, GW2’s pvp infrastructure is poor – no, it barely exists. There’s no incentive for competitive growth. Hotjoin is a failure at teaching players good pvp habbits or giving them a stress-free environment for casual play/ learning experience/ non-competitive matches. Solo and team queues have crude systems for fair matchmaking. Leaderboards are broken, hard to measure and relegated to outside of the game. The reward system feels a bit crude and incomplete.

For GW2 to be “esports”, it needs more game mode diversity, it needs an effective match infrastructure, and it needs core gameplay concepts to be reshaped for the sake of more active playing, counter-playing, tactical clarity and UI/ visual clarity.

Aeolus.3615:

calyx.9086:

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

Ur talking about gw1 tournament right?

No, I’m talking about the one that just happened, where my team got wrecked (we entered on a whim) but I got a mini llama.

Again, I’m not arguing that spvp constitutes an esport, I just don’t see what GvG has to do with it.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

calyx.9086:

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

I agree…
GW2 actually does have GvG… It’s called You and 4 other guild mates vs 5 other guild mates in PvP match… It can happen right now. You got the tools to start GvG so dont say you can’t do it… I mean what the hell do you expect? To PvP in PvE areas against another guild? No thanks! That would defeat the purpose of PvE.

PS. Not arguing with you, just agreeing. =P

No worries, no offense taken. Honestly I think people want GvG so they can do large scale team deathmatch.

calyx.9086:

Honestly I think people want GvG so they can do large scale team deathmatch.

I hate death match with a passion, it is mindless killing. I want GvG with objectives like in GW1, IMO it was the perfect pvp mode. It trumps all other pvp I’ve played in any MMO and obviously has esport potential if you played or watched it back then.

Before GvG if you were to ask me if an MMO had esport potential I would have laughed in your face, but ANet managed to do it and now they are ignoring that foundation.. it is incredibly annoying for anyone that was a part of it.

Not only is GvG awesome but it also ties in perfectly with Guild Halls, ladders, tournament play, better rewards, change from stale meta and most importantly it’s not conquest…

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

Yes it does but it also lacks updates to make it more interessting, especially balance update that shake up the meta. Watching the same team comps with the same builds for months is really really boring.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Not many people watch the streams because thre’s not much fun in doing it.

Ooh, maybe if they gave out precursors for watching….

calyx.9086:

Aeolus.3615:

calyx.9086:

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

Ur talking about gw1 tournament right?

No, I’m talking about the one that just happened, where my team got wrecked (we entered on a whim) but I got a mini llama.

Again, I’m not arguing that spvp constitutes an esport, I just don’t see what GvG has to do with it.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

calyx.9086:

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

I agree…
GW2 actually does have GvG… It’s called You and 4 other guild mates vs 5 other guild mates in PvP match… It can happen right now. You got the tools to start GvG so dont say you can’t do it… I mean what the hell do you expect? To PvP in PvE areas against another guild? No thanks! That would defeat the purpose of PvE.

PS. Not arguing with you, just agreeing. =P

No worries, no offense taken. Honestly I think people want GvG so they can do large scale team deathmatch.

Ingoring quite totally the whole mechanics of the battle around the flagstand, which basically is way more than a simple death match and the fact that going in TeamQ with your guildmates or not is useless since you got credit for yourself (I mean the leaderboard which is a mess I know) instead as part of a team.

GvG made whole guilds known among players, not a single player famous… it’s quite different.

DiogoSilva.7089:

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

Because you seem to be honest with your post, let me give a serious answer.

First, the bolded part is a problem right there. Not many people watch the streams because thre’s not much fun in doing it. This is for several reasons:

A lesser one is that the conquest game mode does not makes for many great plays. It revolves around bunkering points instead of pushing tactics. The audience greatly prefers more offensive-driven games. The scoring system has a passive feel to it. Turnbacks take a slow time and are unexciting. Generally, they come of too late. And frequently enough, tight matches are decided by whichever team is the luckiest by scoring that 1 extra point first. Which can be very accidental.

But a bigger reason is that GW2’s game design disregards visual or tactical clarity. Between the huge amount of particle effects, invisible procs, pets, skill spamming and lack of telegraphed attacks, you can’t understand anything of what is happening on the screen, even as a player, much less as a viewer. Traits sacrifice clarity and skillful playing for the sake of customisation, to make up for the very restricting skill system. Pets passive AI is mathematically too impactful and too frequent, and traits incentivate builds to bring as many pets as possible. The lack of skill weight, generally as a direct consequence of no resource/ energy system, makes skill spamming highly effective, which in turn overloads the UI with condition and boon icons, and the screen with particle effects. Traits also contribute to UI overload. No energy also leads anet’s devs to place more emphasis on skill cooldowns, which in turn demands more skill quantity to the combat system (else, you’d be auto-attacking all the time when waiting for the cooldowns to go off). On top of this, most weapon sets lack any build-up and momentum or decisive telegraphed attacks. There are many situations where skills within a weapon are all “equally useful” and equally fast, with no build-up or climax. Bad for the stream viewer, bad for competitive counter-playing tactics.

In addition to that, GW2’s pvp infrastructure is poor – no, it barely exists. There’s no incentive for competitive growth. Hotjoin is a failure at teaching players good pvp habbits or giving them a stress-free environment for casual play/ learning experience/ non-competitive matches. Solo and team queues have crude systems for fair matchmaking. Leaderboards are broken, hard to measure and relegated to outside of the game. The reward system feels a bit crude and incomplete.

For GW2 to be “esports”, it needs more game mode diversity, it needs an effective match infrastructure, and it needs core gameplay concepts to be reshaped for the sake of more active playing, counter-playing, tactical clarity and UI/ visual clarity.

This guy gets it! Arena needs to read this and overhaul spvp to a different type of game mode.

DiogoSilva.7089:

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

Because you seem to be honest with your post, let me give a serious answer.

First, the bolded part is a problem right there. Not many people watch the streams because thre’s not much fun in doing it. This is for several reasons:

A lesser one is that the conquest game mode does not makes for many great plays. It revolves around bunkering points instead of pushing tactics. The audience greatly prefers more offensive-driven games. The scoring system has a passive feel to it. Turnbacks take a slow time and are unexciting. Generally, they come of too late. And frequently enough, tight matches are decided by whichever team is the luckiest by scoring that 1 extra point first. Which can be very accidental.

But a bigger reason is that GW2’s game design disregards visual or tactical clarity. Between the huge amount of particle effects, invisible procs, pets, skill spamming and lack of telegraphed attacks, you can’t understand anything of what is happening on the screen, even as a player, much less as a viewer. Traits sacrifice clarity and skillful playing for the sake of customisation, to make up for the very restricting skill system. Pets passive AI is mathematically too impactful and too frequent, and traits incentivate builds to bring as many pets as possible. The lack of skill weight, generally as a direct consequence of no resource/ energy system, makes skill spamming highly effective, which in turn overloads the UI with condition and boon icons, and the screen with particle effects. Traits also contribute to UI overload. No energy also leads anet’s devs to place more emphasis on skill cooldowns, which in turn demands more skill quantity to the combat system (else, you’d be auto-attacking all the time when waiting for the cooldowns to go off). On top of this, most weapon sets lack any build-up and momentum or decisive telegraphed attacks. There are many situations where skills within a weapon are all “equally useful” and equally fast, with no build-up or climax. Bad for the stream viewer, bad for competitive counter-playing tactics.

In addition to that, GW2’s pvp infrastructure is poor – no, it barely exists. There’s no incentive for competitive growth. Hotjoin is a failure at teaching players good pvp habbits or giving them a stress-free environment for casual play/ learning experience/ non-competitive matches. Solo and team queues have crude systems for fair matchmaking. Leaderboards are broken, hard to measure and relegated to outside of the game. The reward system feels a bit crude and incomplete.

For GW2 to be “esports”, it needs more game mode diversity, it needs an effective match infrastructure, and it needs core gameplay concepts to be reshaped for the sake of more active playing, counter-playing, tactical clarity and UI/ visual clarity.

AMEN! Bunker vs Bunker on nodes is not really entertaining. This is the first MMO I’ve not dove head first into the PVP, it’s just not up to snuff. Throwing prize money at something doesn’t make it good.

The fact runescape PvP (consistent 3-7k viewers) is more popular on twitch than GW2 PvP streamers (consistent 3-500 viewers loool) tells me all I need to know

I enjoy the PvP in GW2, its OK at best, but can be fun when doing it with friends.

However, it is stupid to sit there and watch and hope to know whats going on… even with shoutcasters, its stupidly impossible for the average PvP viewer to understand what is going on in the match unless they know EVERY SINGLE telegraph/animation of each class to know what the hell they just did…

This is why this game has below a 0% chance at succeeding at E-Sports. It will never ever be big. the amount of ToL final round twitch viewers were laughable, no one in the MMORPG community sees this game as an e-sport besides anet lol. Just because they give a small prize money doesn’t mean its e-sport…this just shows me how desperate and delusional anet is.. they honestly believe real cash will bring gw2 to e-sport glory… not happening…

this game’s PvP is flat out boring to sit and watch on a stream lol… everything moves at a ridiculous pace, all the action is all over the place and its just all around pointless to watch… you got one guy over there shooting rainbow unicorns and another clown tossing grenades and sitting in nest of turrets and oh here comes a machine gun ranger… how exciting.. I enjoy actually playing and doing PvP, but watching? not a kitten chance. That kitten is ridiculously boring to watch and is the biggest reason why no one will watch any of this crap. Its not fun to watch, point blank, period.

(wish anet would actual have a dev team for PvP thou.. still waiting on new game mode after 2+ years is a kitten joke)

lol Esport.
5 turret Engi = insta win.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

Yes and all that’s going to do is show even more players how awful the PvP in this game is. Nothing but 1-2 meta builds per class, defense outclassing offense in importance a hundred times over. Completely unclear animations and particle affects everywhere. The most passive boring win condition of any game out there. Auto-attack spamming being the only reliable source of power damage and condi-damage burst the only reliable source for the remainder. Oh and lets not forget dodging, and more dodging, and dodging… they could watch a four year old play Ocarina of Time and not know the difference were it not for the graphics.

Its not going to be an ESport, its going to be a disaster.

GW2 is not an esport and most likely never will be. The PvP simply isn’t tactical enough, balance isn’t anywhere near good enough, and the game mode is boring. In order to head towards esport they would need massive overhauls that, frankly, ArenaNet has shown it isn’t skilled enough to do. They can’t even handle a balance patch let alone completely redoing combat, traits, stats, and game modes.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

Son, you are ignorant.
You are partially correct about e-sport.
NO ONE is lining up to watch this game’s PvP… NO ONE… do you want to know how terribly low the number of viewers for the ToL was?

E-sports means you have a POPULAR PVP mode that ppl actually want to WATCH.

NO ONE wants to watch this games PvP… it’s atrocious to sit there and watch lol. This is an opinion shared by the fact the twitch viewers (the main platform for esports) for this game is atrocious.

When you can’t beat out runescape PvP for viewers, you aren’t going anywhere.

Arena.net has been trying to make GW2 into an e-sport since the beginning.

I still think they’re barking up the wrong tree. MMOs aren’t really a good medium for it. Seriously guys, if you wanted a piece of Riot’s market, you should have made a game that appeals to the League of Legends crowd.

It doesn’t work here. Stop trying.

I feel like e-sport was the worse thing to happen to the Guild Wars franchise.
It doesn’t feel like I’ve been proven wrong yet.

The term “sport” has become so valueless today, that just about anything can be called it. For me, if Anet was going to toss around $50k, I’d much rather get another full time Dev so we can all benefit.

chemiclord.3978:

Arena.net has been trying to make GW2 into an e-sport since the beginning.

I still think they’re barking up the wrong tree. MMOs aren’t really a good medium for it. Seriously guys, if you wanted a piece of Riot’s market, you should have made a game that appeals to the League of Legends crowd.

It doesn’t work here. Stop trying.

GW1 had a nice competitive scene. Anet could simply take its foundations and improve them. A more visceral combat system, which they certainly tried. That currently feels half-done. A strong infrastructure, while we barely have one. More unique rewards, which is being handed to us very slowly, although it shows promise. An healthy number of game modes. The lack of game modes is a big thing in GW2.

Really, it could have happened. It could. Now? I’m not sure, it seems like the company as a whole isn’t willing to increase the budget of the pvp’s team much. But, perhaps, pvp can still be salvaged into something decent, until GW3 comes. Is that a terrible thing to say? Until GW3 comes? Or am I being a pessimist?

DeWolfe.2174:

The term “sport” has become so valueless today, that just about anything can be called it. For me, if Anet was going to toss around $50k, I’d much rather get another full time Dev so we can all benefit.

Khongzong, the Chinese publisher is providing the prize money for WTS, not Arenanet.

No brackets yet and the tournament starts in 2 days…

E-sport?

WTS Invitational will be a joke if there aren’t 8 teams competing in each region. Maybe that’s why there aren’t brackets out yet because they don’t want to reveal how low the participation is. Seriously though its called an invitational for a reason. They could simply ask other teams who have performed well in the past.

DiogoSilva.7089:

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

Because you seem to be honest with your post, let me give a serious answer.

First, the bolded part is a problem right there. Not many people watch the streams because thre’s not much fun in doing it. This is for several reasons:

A lesser one is that the conquest game mode does not makes for many great plays. It revolves around bunkering points instead of pushing tactics. The audience greatly prefers more offensive-driven games. The scoring system has a passive feel to it. Turnbacks take a slow time and are unexciting. Generally, they come of too late. And frequently enough, tight matches are decided by whichever team is the luckiest by scoring that 1 extra point first. Which can be very accidental.

But a bigger reason is that GW2’s game design disregards visual or tactical clarity. Between the huge amount of particle effects, invisible procs, pets, skill spamming and lack of telegraphed attacks, you can’t understand anything of what is happening on the screen, even as a player, much less as a viewer. Traits sacrifice clarity and skillful playing for the sake of customisation, to make up for the very restricting skill system. Pets passive AI is mathematically too impactful and too frequent, and traits incentivate builds to bring as many pets as possible. The lack of skill weight, generally as a direct consequence of no resource/ energy system, makes skill spamming highly effective, which in turn overloads the UI with condition and boon icons, and the screen with particle effects. Traits also contribute to UI overload. No energy also leads anet’s devs to place more emphasis on skill cooldowns, which in turn demands more skill quantity to the combat system (else, you’d be auto-attacking all the time when waiting for the cooldowns to go off). On top of this, most weapon sets lack any build-up and momentum or decisive telegraphed attacks. There are many situations where skills within a weapon are all “equally useful” and equally fast, with no build-up or climax. Bad for the stream viewer, bad for competitive counter-playing tactics.

In addition to that, GW2’s pvp infrastructure is poor – no, it barely exists. There’s no incentive for competitive growth. Hotjoin is a failure at teaching players good pvp habbits or giving them a stress-free environment for casual play/ learning experience/ non-competitive matches. Solo and team queues have crude systems for fair matchmaking. Leaderboards are broken, hard to measure and relegated to outside of the game. The reward system feels a bit crude and incomplete.

For GW2 to be “esports”, it needs more game mode diversity, it needs an effective match infrastructure, and it needs core gameplay concepts to be reshaped for the sake of more active playing, counter-playing, tactical clarity and UI/ visual clarity.

I both agree and disagree with you.

First off: bunker vs bunker meta and no big plays or tactics? Ever seen TCG played? They have clever tactics, lots of good plays, mind games and one bunker. Bunker meta are gone. I find many of the fights and match ups to be really fun and enjoying to watch. Point scoring is fair and easy to understand. Getting that last point can be accidental, but often forced by focusing an enemy or stealing a boss kill.

I agree that there are too many passive procs. Runes and sigils are too strong imo – runes/sigils should help the build, not be the build. Particles need to get cut down and we need more telegraphed attacks so that there are more possibilities for countering them.

New game modes is not needed, but they would be good for the game. The infrastructure need a massive overhaul. Ladders need to get fixed, same with matchmaking. We need un-ranked solo and team queue. We also need a better tutorial area for PvP.

Just throwing money to make a tournament doesn’t make it e-sports.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

You guys are either Trolls or completely ignorant…

The link I provided is an Announcement of World Tournament 2014.
There seems to be Prize money for the winning Team.

This means that GW2 is finally E-Sport now… Unless I’m mistaken prove me wrong otherwise cause how I see it, E-Sport is when players win prize money in PvP tournaments as a team and people come to watch or participate.

Also GW2’s PvP takes lots of skills and strategy so it’s appropriate for E-sport genre.
This is why I support it becoming E-Sport… We need games with combat like this.

I will put 5 euros to a winner of a tournament in 360 FORKLIFTING game and invite my friends to watch and play it, does it make an e-sport then?

Note that driving a forklift takes more skill than playing this meta..

Gw2 tournaments get maybe 1k viewers

Lol tournaments get 20 mil+ viewers

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Gw2 is kitten, just look at the development during the 2 years lmao
oh by the way lag is still not fixed and the devs are pretty much useless to handle feedback.

YES WE’RE ESPORTS NOW ESPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t believe Webster’s dictionary has stated what makes an eSport but since this is a troll post why not troll?

SoloQ and TeamQ are basically after school clubs where people play each other for fun without any true winnings.

The eSport that Guild Wars 2 has is basically intramural sports at the college level. It’s organized by groups who love what they do, is watched by only the people who are really interested in it, and may include money that people donate on their own.

So yes, it’s a sport but it’s the community college intramural team of GW2 vs the Notre Dame varsity college level LoL. Sport is a Sport but totally different leagues. What people have described is how to move GW2 up to the Junior Varsity level. However, does Arena Net want to take it that far? Who knows. My magic 8-ball says, “Outlook is hazy”.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

Does this mean GW2 is now officially Esports?

Gw2 has always been an electronic sport, however, to become a professional electronic sport they need third parties to sponsor teams.

DeWolfe.2174:

The term “sport” has become so valueless today, that just about anything can be called it.

Since the dawn of time the value of sports has been to profit in ways beyond currency.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlYJPOGN7iQ

@ Amstel Steel & Thiefz

I think I understand what you too are saying.

=) Im glad GW2 is now esports but I hope we get third parties to sponsor the teams someday.

@ Geiir.7603
I agree, I enjoy watching PvP and even playing it in GW2 since I know what all skills do for all classes, it’s entertaining to see how others utilize the skills differently than I do and how they take advantage of others in matches. Love watching counter moves.

http://www.twitch.tv/directory
Games are listed in terms of viewers.
See how long you have to scroll to find gw2.

They tried to directly compete with LoL/Dota and got burned hard instead of using something completely unique like gw1 gvg was. No turning back.

GW2 does have GvG, just look it up on youtube, GW2 GvG, you’ll find several GvG videos like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvg8pq0Yqso. If you ask me the GW2 GvG should be about starting in middle of battlefield on WvW than trying to take the other world’s tower instead of just straight up last man standing style.

GvG though, isn’t popular because numbers more than 5 on a team are not popular, hence why you no longer see 8v8 and 10v10 servers anymore.

Sure you can say GW2 is esports because it has a prize pool and being played at a site, but I wouldn’t consider it successful until the viewers reach a hundred thousand, even that is small, perhaps when it reaches a million than you can say it is successful.

Things that would help increase viewership/popularity is,
Being able to spectate them in game (having control of who to watch), also to add on is that I dislike twitch because I know of a lot of people who stream twitch but when I go watch there stream….. OFFLINE. I really hate trying to find people who are actually ONLINE. And sure it maybe easy, but I’m an IT guy, and I know a thing or two about the internet so more capable of finding out how to see if someone is ONLINE and if I cant figure it out, chances are most of the rest of the people wont figure it out either. If GW2 wants to do anything to help its community grow into esports supportive they need to make some sticky or some new tab showing LIVE streamers, and showing there pvp leaderboard rankings next to it. If you do it in a new tab just make it so people add in there twitch info or whatever and have your own system determine if they ONLINE or OFFLINE. If you don’t want to do that, make some sticky that has a title of something about watching good players and explaining very nicely how to find ONLINE twitch players. The more easier you make it though, the better the outcome would be so I suggest they make some new tab showing listing of pvp leaderboard ranks and twitch channel and if online or not just from that tab and not having to go to twitch itself.
More exciting maps (Original Skyhammer, is somewhat exciting, all the other maps are pretty boring)
-If you can make PvP so that one or two guys skilled people can complete roflstomp the entire enemy that creates excitement, and Skyhammer the original was designed in that way where skill play completely destroys your enemy. Any skilled player will beat an unskilled player on Skyhammer. People just don’t like it because they get there kitten whooped too fast. But when thinking about masses amount of people watching, they don’t want to see 2 dudes go at it for 2 mins dueling, they want to see some dude owning person after person and in such way that you have to laugh at the person getting owned. Skyhammer creates those moments. There a lot more in game LOL in the map of Skyhammer than any other map. Because maps like Skyhammer aren’t being played in live tournaments is why the viewership is stagnat, I’d wager that some people leave and some people want esports but soon find it stale and boring because nobody wants to see 2 people go at it dueling on side nodes and such, they want to see people get kittened in funny ways. The only other map that is not as much boring as the others but nowhere near as good to watch as a Skyhammer map is Battle of Khylo, when people use the trebs and you see the utter destruction it creates and messing up peoples combos, life saving moments.
Making an achievement of watching tournaments (entices achievement farmers) (similarly to enter WvW… Oh snap now you forever have achievement of being part of season 2 WvW fall tournament)
Giving gems (doesn’t have to be that many, 100 gems 1st article or 50 gems 2nd article, 10 gems per every other article, etc) to everyone who liked on facebook or twitter some article about PvP tournament. You will get people who do this and your facebook page will be better if that’s your goal. give away a mini to random person who liked the article and left a comment.
One of issues of game I think is that this game adds so much new stuff to gemstore faster than people get gems, which is why the gold to gem value is so harsh. Giving everyone 100 gems isn’t going to hurt it much if anything, entice people to buy gems or spend gold to gems because they halfway to getting some item. If that’s the reason why they made gold to gem strict values, its pretty effective marketing tactic I think, because if you price something 500 gems, and you can only buy 400 gems or 800 gems, your going to have to save up for the 800 gems. If say you do pvp tournament, have a promotion like on facebook the article about the pvp tournament and receive 100 gems. Not only do you get them to like on facebook (to good not to do), there friends on facebook also become aware, also since they have 100 gems, they are enticed to go convert gold or buy gems to get that 500 gem, 900 gem or whatever item.

We do not need gem freebies, spvp need a gold sink please do notice those so called hardcore pvpers has many golds and gems (they farm).
we need more costly unlocks, unlocks is always better. sigils, amulets, traits, increase their cost value (spvp exclusive).
e.g 250g 150skill points for a grand master trait (or go pve), unlocking Sigils and Amulets should based on their bltc value. i mean how much it cost you to wear a full Celestial set in pve? besides the actual plan is do not seperate spvp to pve/wvw and maintain the equal footing. right?.
skins, passive visual effect in gem store to determined who has this passive kitten and who doesn’t.
partnership and sponsors.
oh and more communication

GvG would be a waste of time and trash in GW2. People want GvG because you can screw up and no one noticed because it’s 20v20 anyways. That way your lack of skill won’t show like it does in sPvP.

GW2 is still a baby in comparison to most e-sport games. With time I def see it becoming one of the top e-sport games. Combat is exciting and their are many “hold your breath” moments in tournament play. And those moments are what make a sport good. B-ball with game winning 3 or free throw, Futbol with extra time golazo and American football with hail-mary or field goal. Gw2 with last second push out of a zone to hold cap/take cap or temple which is beast mode map. Beast mode meaning game can switch real fast winning/losing.

Zoso.8279:

GW2 is still a baby in comparison to most e-sport games. With time I def see it becoming one of the top e-sport games.

It’s been two years, It’s not going to happen.

I think I could rant at every reply here.

After WTS, I can pretty much guarantee it’ll be the end for GW2 PvP. I will even go as far to say that ArenaNet may remove sPvP altogether in the near future.