Guild Wars 2

mistsim.2748:

Chaith.8256:

Grenadier is banned in in every organized PvP interaction, can this please be fixed so grenades can be usable

they should let you keep the kitten bug cuz engies are useless right now.

That’s the excuse I keep hearing…did you bother trying anything else or do you mean zerk engi?

I feel they didn’t perform all that well in the weekly tournaments so Chaith may have a point.

If they fix grenade barrage they should also fix warrior rampage, mesmer stealth instagibs, guard burn bombs, etc.

Atm that bug is the only thing zerk engi has aside from a slow to set up elixir build.
It is one skill, every 30 seconds.
It has a cast time, it can be blocked, it can be dodged.
If it misses the engi melts.

If they take away 100nades, but fail to adress the other overpowered damage specs engi will drop out of pvp. Traits are already all over the place, and builds that normally would have been viable in the previous meta won’t cut it now.

Fights no longer take 1 minute.
They take mere seconds.
barrage is the only thing engi has to compete in this burst meta.
I am not saying it isnt bugged, it is obvious that it is.
But it’s the only thing they have to match the instant burstpower of other classes.

No other class can click one button and do that bullkitten even mesmers and theives have to press a couple.

NeXeD.3042:

No other class can click one button and do that bullkitten even mesmers and theives have to press a couple.

mesmer izerker or confusing image = dead theif backstab = dead

Extreme.8350:

NeXeD.3042:

No other class can click one button and do that bullkitten even mesmers and theives have to press a couple.

mesmer izerker or confusing image = dead theif backstab = dead

not even close, and zerker can’t be done from stealth- it will be just as easy to dodge.

The only bug we currently have is missing tooltip information that Grenadier trait cause also piercing, all grenade skills pierce with this skill. Acording to this change grenade barrage become a powerfull tool but only in zerker build which mostlikely will not be in meta.
Nowadays after patch too many people that shouldn’t play on zerker play zerker and that is why they are one shoted by zerker engi.
It is similar situation as was with turreter. Build wasn’t never in meta because it was easily countered by team play, but everyone cried about it as much as possible, now turreter is nerfed to the ground and it is no more viable option to play.
I recommend you all so much crying to start playing zerker engi and we will see how well you doing on that build. I wanna see only engis in game if they are so OP.

Throwing a grenade pierces targets…The logic behind that alone is enough to tell me that it’s a bug and not intended.

Style.1092:

The only bug we currently have is missing tooltip information that Grenadier trait cause also piercing, all grenade skills pierce with this skill. Acording to this change grenade barrage become a powerfull tool but only in zerker build which mostlikely will not be in meta.
Nowadays after patch too many people that shouldn’t play on zerker play zerker and that is why they are one shoted by zerker engi.
It is similar situation as was with turreter. Build wasn’t never in meta because it was easily countered by team play, but everyone cried about it as much as possible, now turreter is nerfed to the ground and it is no more viable option to play.
I recommend you all so much crying to start playing zerker engi and we will see how well you doing on that build. I wanna see only engis in game if they are so OP.

It is not missing the tooltip, is trowing 14 nades instead of 7. Stop trying to cover this up with " stop crying " kitten.

xbutcherx.3861:

It is not missing the tooltip, is trowing 14 nades instead of 7. Stop trying to cover this up with " stop crying " kitten.

see people even don’t understand why barrage hit 14 times in perfect situation…
It is impossible that piercing wouldn’t be implemented as intended…

Sagat.3285:

mistsim.2748:

Chaith.8256:

Grenadier is banned in in every organized PvP interaction, can this please be fixed so grenades can be usable

they should let you keep the kitten bug cuz engies are useless right now.

That’s the excuse I keep hearing…did you bother trying anything else or do you mean zerk engi?

He clearly didn’t… but Koroshi, one of the better engineers did and his 3 kit condi engi is pretty amazing: http://www.koroshi.net/forum/m/25875586/viewthread/22804713-celestial-condition-engineer-build/page/1 – no nades needed.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Sagat.3285:

mistsim.2748:

Chaith.8256:

Grenadier is banned in in every organized PvP interaction, can this please be fixed so grenades can be usable

they should let you keep the kitten bug cuz engies are useless right now.

That’s the excuse I keep hearing…did you bother trying anything else or do you mean zerk engi?

He clearly didn’t… but Koroshi, one of the better engineers did and his 3 kit condi engi is pretty amazing: http://www.koroshi.net/forum/m/25875586/viewthread/22804713-celestial-condition-engineer-build/page/1 – no nades needed.

sorry, Im strictly speaking of spvp. I haven’t seen any remarkable engie play in my MMR. I don’t actually play engie.

mistsim.2748:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Sagat.3285:

mistsim.2748:

Chaith.8256:

Grenadier is banned in in every organized PvP interaction, can this please be fixed so grenades can be usable

they should let you keep the kitten bug cuz engies are useless right now.

That’s the excuse I keep hearing…did you bother trying anything else or do you mean zerk engi?

He clearly didn’t… but Koroshi, one of the better engineers did and his 3 kit condi engi is pretty amazing: http://www.koroshi.net/forum/m/25875586/viewthread/22804713-celestial-condition-engineer-build/page/1 – no nades needed.

sorry, Im strictly speaking of spvp. I haven’t seen any remarkable engie play in my MMR. I don’t actually play engie.

cmon we both know the wvw players are just as good if not better at pvp than the pvpers….. I mean it’s not like the armor, sigils, modifiers are different……

mistsim.2748:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Sagat.3285:

mistsim.2748:

Chaith.8256:

Grenadier is banned in in every organized PvP interaction, can this please be fixed so grenades can be usable

they should let you keep the kitten bug cuz engies are useless right now.

That’s the excuse I keep hearing…did you bother trying anything else or do you mean zerk engi?

He clearly didn’t… but Koroshi, one of the better engineers did and his 3 kit condi engi is pretty amazing: http://www.koroshi.net/forum/m/25875586/viewthread/22804713-celestial-condition-engineer-build/page/1 – no nades needed.

sorry, Im strictly speaking of spvp. I haven’t seen any remarkable engie play in my MMR. I don’t actually play engie.

Koroshi plays pvp too and the build (and video) I linked is actually both for wvw and pvp – with variations in traits and utilities. At around ~3 minutes in the video you can see him use the pvp build in matches and doing extremely well with it.

I’m fed up with all the other Engineers saying that fixing this bug will destroy the build.

Guess what? It won’t.

It’s a fun little bug to play with while it lasts, but as it stands the same build without the bugged trait still 1 shots thieves and eles, and you can 2 to 3 shot other classes. The build will still be strong, and will be our main build.

Also I have nothing against Koroshi, but he usually plays builds that excel in 1vs1 fights and you often see him pushing these 1v1s at far etc. He’s not a shining example of top tier Engineer, especially when Texbi 100-0’d him.

Benjamin.8237:

I’m fed up with all the other Engineers saying that fixing this bug will destroy the build.

Guess what? It won’t.

It’s a fun little bug to play with while it lasts, but as it stands the same build without the bugged trait still 1 shots thieves and eles, and you can 2 to 3 shot other classes. The build will still be strong, and will be our main build.

Also I have nothing against Koroshi, but he usually plays builds that excel in 1vs1 fights and you often see him pushing these 1v1s at far etc. He’s not a shining example of top tier Engineer, especially when Texbi 100-0’d him.

Yes of course he’s not a shinging example of top tier engi, but he IS an example of how viable engi still is even without grenades. The build is basically the same Teldo played for a long time after launch.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

mistsim.2748:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Sagat.3285:

mistsim.2748:

Chaith.8256:

Grenadier is banned in in every organized PvP interaction, can this please be fixed so grenades can be usable

they should let you keep the kitten bug cuz engies are useless right now.

That’s the excuse I keep hearing…did you bother trying anything else or do you mean zerk engi?

He clearly didn’t… but Koroshi, one of the better engineers did and his 3 kit condi engi is pretty amazing: http://www.koroshi.net/forum/m/25875586/viewthread/22804713-celestial-condition-engineer-build/page/1 – no nades needed.

sorry, Im strictly speaking of spvp. I haven’t seen any remarkable engie play in my MMR. I don’t actually play engie.

Koroshi plays pvp too and the build (and video) I linked is actually both for wvw and pvp – with variations in traits and utilities. At around ~3 minutes in the video you can see him use the pvp build in matches and doing extremely well with it.

im in top NA MMR (or somewhere close I think, going off the players im going up against), and I’ve seen very few effective engies. maybe EU is quite different, but judging from that vid he’s in a very low MMR bracket. I love Koroshi’s material, it’s entertaining, but he’s never ever fighting players of equal or better skill level.

Today was double daily engineer pvp, so many of them playing.
I didn´t use the grenade barrage since I know it is bugged or unbalanced. However, near all engineers I met used it at will. Anet needs to solve this problem or balance this skill asap.

mistsim.2748:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

mistsim.2748:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Sagat.3285:

mistsim.2748:

Chaith.8256:

Grenadier is banned in in every organized PvP interaction, can this please be fixed so grenades can be usable

they should let you keep the kitten bug cuz engies are useless right now.

That’s the excuse I keep hearing…did you bother trying anything else or do you mean zerk engi?

He clearly didn’t… but Koroshi, one of the better engineers did and his 3 kit condi engi is pretty amazing: http://www.koroshi.net/forum/m/25875586/viewthread/22804713-celestial-condition-engineer-build/page/1 – no nades needed.

sorry, Im strictly speaking of spvp. I haven’t seen any remarkable engie play in my MMR. I don’t actually play engie.

Koroshi plays pvp too and the build (and video) I linked is actually both for wvw and pvp – with variations in traits and utilities. At around ~3 minutes in the video you can see him use the pvp build in matches and doing extremely well with it.

im in top NA MMR (or somewhere close I think, going off the players im going up against), and I’ve seen very few effective engies. maybe EU is quite different, but judging from that vid he’s in a very low MMR bracket. I love Koroshi’s material, it’s entertaining, but he’s never ever fighting players of equal or better skill level.

MMR is all over the place man, I’ve fought Abjured, then I have fought keyboard turners who are evidently new to PvP from how they react to objectives.

I honestly don’t believe MMR works properly at all atm.

Josh Davis.6015:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Grenadier-Temporarily-Disabled/first

Thank god, finally.

Amen grouch

#Juggernaut ftw

Justice is served!
Though I do hope they just cut the damage by half before they come up a real fix instead of disabling it.

Now please disable PU before you find a real solution please?

Grouch, the community must give you a lot of flack for being an engineer main and on the development team. Everyone thinks your bias towards engineers affects decisions when it comes to balance. But confirming this bug, taking action, and having a prompt plan to fix the issue has really made me feel otherwise. You’re doing a good job.

zone.1073:

Grouch, the community must give you a lot of flack for being an engineer main and on the development team. Everyone thinks your bias towards engineers affects decisions when it comes to balance. But confirming this bug, taking action, and having a prompt plan to fix the issue has really made me feel otherwise. You’re doing a good job.

“Prompt”

….

rip engis.

Elxdark.9702:

rip engis.

Yep…

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Something tells me mesmer is next…

So wheres necro and especially mesmer nerfs too?

zone.1073:

Grouch, the community must give you a lot of flack for being an engineer main and on the development team. Everyone thinks your bias towards engineers affects decisions when it comes to balance. But confirming this bug, taking action, and having a prompt plan to fix the issue has really made me feel otherwise. You’re doing a good job.

Its hardly been timely action especially when other abilities were nerfed so quickly. And what plan? No plan is specified.

morrolan.9608:

zone.1073:

Grouch, the community must give you a lot of flack for being an engineer main and on the development team. Everyone thinks your bias towards engineers affects decisions when it comes to balance. But confirming this bug, taking action, and having a prompt plan to fix the issue has really made me feel otherwise. You’re doing a good job.

Its hardly been timely action especially when other abilities were nerfed so quickly. And what plan? No plan is specified.

Grouch specified that it is disabled until the next patch. Giving us a date on a bug fix is better than a Soon™.

zone.1073:

morrolan.9608:

zone.1073:

Grouch, the community must give you a lot of flack for being an engineer main and on the development team. Everyone thinks your bias towards engineers affects decisions when it comes to balance. But confirming this bug, taking action, and having a prompt plan to fix the issue has really made me feel otherwise. You’re doing a good job.

Its hardly been timely action especially when other abilities were nerfed so quickly. And what plan? No plan is specified.

Grouch specified that it is disabled until the next patch. Giving us a date on a bug fix is better than a Soon™.

Still doesn’t make it prompt. Should have been sorted ages ago given how broken it really was. This is one hella slow reaction to sort it.

Elxdark.9702:

rip engis.

So true.
All that is left now is massive heals, literally endless defense with dodges/blocks, endless condition spamming combined with quite high condi damage, very good direct damage and a kitten load of cc/kd.

This nerf is definitly not fair for engis. I mean, what shall they do now???

Entenkommando.5208:

Elxdark.9702:

rip engis.

So true.
All that is left now is massive heals, literally endless defense with dodges/blocks, endless condition spamming combined with quite high condi damage, very good direct damage and a kitten load of cc/kd.

This nerf is definitly not fair for engis. I mean, what shall they do now???

absolutely keen to see this endless dodges/blocks build. please link

Conditions are still just worse and a mesmer can blow you up 100-0 even if you are running with a “bunker” spec.

choovanski.5462:

absolutely keen to see this endless dodges/blocks build. please link

Tools traitline?

I have stopped pvp completely because of this. Is just real bad testing by devs. Like real kitten bad. i don’t know what else to say. RIP pvp

choovanski.5462:

Entenkommando.5208:

Elxdark.9702:

rip engis.

So true.
All that is left now is massive heals, literally endless defense with dodges/blocks, endless condition spamming combined with quite high condi damage, very good direct damage and a kitten load of cc/kd.

This nerf is definitly not fair for engis. I mean, what shall they do now???

absolutely keen to see this endless dodges/blocks build. please link

Ever heard of AED?

It’s extremely powerful post patch when use invention line.

Entenkommando.5208:

Elxdark.9702:

rip engis.

So true.
All that is left now is massive heals, literally endless defense with dodges/blocks, endless condition spamming combined with quite high condi damage, very good direct damage and a kitten load of cc/kd.

This nerf is definitly not fair for engis. I mean, what shall they do now???

Ah, you must be running the infamous 6/6/6/6/6 spec.

I get your point, Engineer will go on, but you’re exaggerating a bit here.

zone.1073:

Grouch, the community must give you a lot of flack for being an engineer main and on the development team. Everyone thinks your bias towards engineers affects decisions when it comes to balance. But confirming this bug, taking action, and having a prompt plan to fix the issue has really made me feel otherwise. You’re doing a good job.

I disagree completely. The balance patch has been out for over a week now. Fix it. It is taking way too long. The rumor now is that we won’t even see a fix until Tuesday at the earlier. Completely unacceptable.

Your definition of prompt is definitely different.

well it is still a free game, so don’t get so bent. Am i disapointed they didn’t do more testing? well yea. this is a pretty bad patch that only a few anet huggers are enjoing

style.6173:

zone.1073:

Grouch, the community must give you a lot of flack for being an engineer main and on the development team. Everyone thinks your bias towards engineers affects decisions when it comes to balance. But confirming this bug, taking action, and having a prompt plan to fix the issue has really made me feel otherwise. You’re doing a good job.

I disagree completely. The balance patch has been out for over a week now. Fix it. It is taking way too long. The rumor now is that we won’t even see a fix until Tuesday at the earlier. Completely unacceptable.

Your definition of prompt is definitely different.

I agree with style, If you want promptness, that would be the mesmer nerfs.

Engie has the most work that they have alotted to, Elite Reworks, graphic changes, aesthetic changes, etc.

Hell even the Engie trait rework presentation was done in power point slides.

Engie bugs or exploits take a while to take action whereas other classes get the knee jerk reaction nerfs.

So yea…

Sagat.3285:

Something tells me mesmer is next…

lol, mesmer got knee jerk reactions even before the patch hit.

MtD, (While testing on a golem /facepalm) Confusing Combatants

And we already got the Power Block damage fix, you know..

Wielder Of Magic.3950:

If they fix grenade barrage they should also fix warrior rampage, mesmer stealth instagibs, guard burn bombs, etc.

Atm that bug is the only thing zerk engi has aside from a slow to set up elixir build.
It is one skill, every 30 seconds.
It has a cast time, it can be blocked, it can be dodged.
If it misses the engi melts.

If they take away 100nades, but fail to adress the other overpowered damage specs engi will drop out of pvp. Traits are already all over the place, and builds that normally would have been viable in the previous meta won’t cut it now.

Fights no longer take 1 minute.
They take mere seconds.
barrage is the only thing engi has to compete in this burst meta.
I am not saying it isnt bugged, it is obvious that it is.
But it’s the only thing they have to match the instant burstpower of other classes.

too bad the only bugged one is barrage others are just working as intended

StickerHappy.8052:

Sagat.3285:

Something tells me mesmer is next…

lol, mesmer got knee jerk reactions even before the patch hit.

MtD, (While testing on a golem /facepalm) Confusing Combatants

And we already got the Power Block damage fix, you know..

They’re never slow to fix bugs that negatively impact Mesmer effectiveness. On the flip side, it took them 2+ years to fix pWarden. Two of our weapon traits still don’t work now. I can list many more examples.

I can’t believe mesmers are still complaining after the amount of buffs they got. Yes, there will be nerfs going your direction, but everyone had to expect that.

Laraley.7695:

I can’t believe mesmers are still complaining after the amount of buffs they got. Yes, there will be nerfs going your direction, but everyone had to expect that.

Who is complaining, we are merely stating the fact that we already got nerfs.
The other guy said “Mesmers will be next”
I only corrected him.

So is that a form complaining to you? Wow.

Laraley.7695:

I can’t believe mesmers are still complaining after the amount of buffs they got. Yes, there will be nerfs going your direction, but everyone had to expect that.

And then the eles will be next. Until we are all back to the same old boring stuff that we had before the trait rework.

serenke.4806:

Laraley.7695:

I can’t believe mesmers are still complaining after the amount of buffs they got. Yes, there will be nerfs going your direction, but everyone had to expect that.

And then the eles will be next. Until we are all back to the same old boring stuff that we had before the trait rework.

Yeah so? There are things about eles that need a rework anyway.

But this is a bit of overreacting. I don’t find fighting mesmers that spam mantras on me fun either.

Sagat.3285:

Something tells me mesmer is next…

I don’t think so. Because no1 yet pointed consistently to what actually the “problem” is. And as long as people tell me, I should stop using PU, when I don’t use it anyways, it is mostly an issue of ignorance.