Guild Wars 2

Godofallu.2935:

Ostricheggs.3742:

For the love of christ people, the build is hardly run anymore except for the occasional noob. If almost every single person who plays engi at a decent level has given up on HGH, why the hell does it need to be nerfed?

The simple truth is that it PREVIOUSLY was incredibly overpowered and I was the first one to scream it on the highest mountain tops. I was the guy who popularized the standard variation and back in the day it simply over the top. With the changes to both incendiary powder, elixir S and the popularization of classes with lots of boon hate it’s extremely difficult to justify any nerfs to HGH.

At the end of the day it won’t matter to me, anyways. But your hatred is misplcaed for sure. If you’re having trouble with HGH engis then you seriously need to take a look at yourself rather than the build. Knowledge of the build itself is the greatest asset to beating it.

If you didn’t know what a thieves strengths and weaknesses were, how can you expect to beat him?

Just kind of curious as to why you think HGH is unplayable at the moment. I have beaten Booty Bakery and both SOAC teams while on HGH and I can even remember beating you 1v1 a few times.

That said i’m sure you are a better player than me and more experienced. When I killed you there were complains of you having no condition removal yet HGH has ok condi removal. So why is HGH trash now? Is it because of the s/d theifs? Because I will admit the good ones do give me trouble. Other then that though I feel like I can basically 1v1 anything in the game if I play well. Not counting good necros since they don’t exist of course.

OP: I don’t think HGH needs a nerf. A few other things just need a buff to get them into the meta. Oh and grenade circles would be stupid for many reasons.

In teams other builds are better. More suruvivability, more CC, more heals, more elixir R, more AoE condi removal, less weakness to boon hate and AE projectile reflects.

The only thing HGH truly trumps some of the more common builds on is damage and condi removal, but even damage is up in the air. If I ran double pistol in my current build I would melt things even quicker than HGH I believe.

It’s not a terrible build by any measure. There are simply better things out there ATM. It adds to build diversity and is an example of precisely the right kind of thing many other classes should have. It’s a good, niche build but isn’t particularly exceptional in general. Nerfing it would simply be the wrong thing to do, it’s not overpowered ATM.

The problem a lot of people have with HGH is that it dishes out SOOOOO much kittening damage and hard counters a particular set of classes with minimal condi removal and not enough of what engis are weak to. Even my current build has trouble with HGH engis because their condi removal far exceeds mine and their HP is far higher; the only time I can ever beat one is if I outplay one to the point of insanity. But I don’t immediately go QQ on the forums because I got butt-devastated by an HGH engi because I know the flaws of my build and how weak they are to things outside of my damage type.

Manuhell.2759:

Mrbig.8019:

Flamethrower is used by most top engies in EU.

Mostly for control purposes -air blast and smoke vent. The autoattack is an harm for the user.

Mrbig.8019:

Ostrich eggs uses bomb and nades togheter and is the king of condi AoE ( bunkers literally MELT, like any other class) .

More like, we only have those kinds of attacks. We’re kinda lacking in the single target department. Oh, it is fine if you are against some groups – as long as they aren’t focusing on you (you’ve got just a single utility slot left, so either you get a condition removal or a tool kit for the gear shield; either way, you haven’t got much to defend yourself).
But versus an ele or guardian bunker? No way. We haven’t got reliable ways of getting protection or stability and neither their healing capabilities.

elixir gun is a blast for bunkering and i’ve seen tons of top engies trying it ( even ostrich eggs if i recall correctly).

There are two skill there that helps bunkering, super elixir and healing mist.

Toolkit is also very strong for power nades engies, a very underrated build, especially if you have a good team supporting your damage ( and defending you, since you’re very squishy).

Mostly because we aren’t that good as far as direct damage go.

The engie has one of the best traits out there, in a single tree there are MAYBE 2-3 bad traits out there ( aside the tool tree, which has 4-5) .

take a look at other classes: all classes traits, aside guardians’, are in the opposite situation; 3-4 traits PER TREE are good while all the rest is utterly crap.

As i said above, a good amount of the traits is located basically in the wrong tree, according to what the weapons affected really do.

The engi is in a great place regarding balance and HGH is by no means engie strongest build: in fact it offers only damage, has no CC, is easily coutnerable, goes down like a fly if focused.

I did say the same above as well. Overspecialization, to make up for the poor base damage – since are basically hybrid weapons as far as damage types go. All the traits are aimed on powering up grenades/explosions or on optimizing elixirs.

As usual my advice is to learn your profession better and take a look at other classes instead of crying on forums.

I would rather advice you to learn the engineer profession better instead of giving misinformation.

except that MrBig seems to understand the big picture a little more clearly than you do.

Says the one who sees the flamethrower as a tanky weapon, beside having two third of the traits in a precision/condition damage tree and a single defensive skill – smoke vent.
Or all the matter regarding our perma-lol protection (cause we’re being disabled every 5 seconds, according to you).

I literally cannot settle on a build.. been trying for 9 months.

Thing is, it is due to the class having sooo many effective options, and more importantly FUN builds to play.

I dont build differently once a week because I’m bored, as I did on ele and mes.. i do so because the class is rediculously fun and flexible..

I agree that engy is in a better spot than any other class.

The real problem that the average player will never see is that it has a much higher skill floor.

If anything anet should find a way to make vitality a more appealing stat imo. Everyone goes toughness to avoid getting vaporized by thieves/mesmers/warriors and end up sitting ducks for condition damage.

Not to mention, how many people forgoe building in significant cleansing power in the name of ‘flashier’ skills?

“OP: I don’t think HGH needs a nerf. A few other things just need a buff to get them into the meta.”

With warrior I agree If it is there plan to put warriors in this roll since they have boon hate it would be understandable that they would be able to dps a bunker down. Necro and engi are currently fighting over this role one with boon stripping and the other with pure dps. I don’t consider engi a legit bunker buster you guys have no boon stripping or boon hate just such op dps.

If they buff necro def alone after after everyone tests it we will be right back where we started If necro dmg is buffed as well engi will be replaced.
or
Lets say that engi dps becomes the bench mark all dps are brought up to this point over time. Well then there is no point in having bunkers as they are just low dps players and in turn making bunker busters pointless.

Thesilentflute.8761:

“OP: I don’t think HGH needs a nerf. A few other things just need a buff to get them into the meta.”

With warrior I agree If it is there plan to put warriors in this roll since they have boon hate it would be understandable that they would be able to dps a bunker down. Necro and engi are currently fighting over this role one with boon stripping and the other with pure dps. I don’t consider engi a legit bunker buster you guys have no boon stripping or boon hate just such op dps.

If they buff necro def alone after after everyone tests it we will be right back where we started If necro dmg is buffed as well engi will be replaced.
or
Lets say that engi dps becomes the bench mark all dps are brought up to this point over time. Well then there is no point in having bunkers as they are just low dps players and in turn making bunker busters pointless.

I think you don’t understand precisely why engis are bunker busters. It’s simple: Bunkers are unanimously weak to conditions because they aren’t effected by toughness and all bunkers in the current meta have low health pools making the effect of condis substantially greater.

Your hyperbole about how obscene the DPS of engineers is is blatantly mistaken.

The source of the dps makes little difference when we are comparing Hgh and necro as they both primary condi dmg. Necro even with boon stripping preforms at = to or lower lv than engi in this regard while being specialized for countering bunkers.

Edit: In the case of bunker engineers they have a immunity to condi dmg at 25% health witch does not effect hgh at all since they do both condi and direct dmg at high lv due to their might stacks it does not even require a kit or weapon switch.

Edit 2: My engi in bunk has 25k+ hp

Manuhell.2759:

Says the one who sees the flamethrower as a tanky weapon, beside having two third of the traits in a precision/condition damage tree and a single defensive skill – smoke vent.
Or all the matter regarding our perma-lol protection (cause we’re being disabled every 5 seconds, according to you).

the kittens go mew mew.

you’re just jealous that i can spend 70 trait points and not have wasted any of them on useless minor traits.

d(`-`d)

“the one who sees the flamethrower as a tanky weapon” also happens to be successful with the flamethrower and doesn’t have problems using it.

your narrow tunnel vision of what a “tank” happens to be is what holds you back. not my problem you don’t know how to tank for your team without having a big immobile boss to spank on.

regardless, this thread is about HGH and not the FT.

Thesilentflute.8761:

“OP: I don’t think HGH needs a nerf. A few other things just need a buff to get them into the meta.”

With warrior I agree If it is there plan to put warriors in this roll since they have boon hate it would be understandable that they would be able to dps a bunker down. Necro and engi are currently fighting over this role one with boon stripping and the other with pure dps. I don’t consider engi a legit bunker buster you guys have no boon stripping or boon hate just such op dps.

If they buff necro def alone after after everyone tests it we will be right back where we started If necro dmg is buffed as well engi will be replaced.
or
Lets say that engi dps becomes the bench mark all dps are brought up to this point over time. Well then there is no point in having bunkers as they are just low dps players and in turn making bunker busters pointless.

Ok so months have gone by and you guys went with option 3 it looks like. At least engi isn’t the most op class anymore its second lol. Well at least everyone loves the game play…. why actually play a game when you can just aoe here and hope your team is the one with more aoe. Strategy?? bunkers?? those are for fools what we need is more aoe dps so we can zerg around and drop the bomb like in wvvw. Screw fixing hot join that would take work lets just make tpvp like hot join and everyone wins.

and now this may be a silly question how many months before we have close to balanced, strategic, and fun to play game again.