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Posted by: Gath.5708

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Another mess of a season brings in the question why did Anet only do a soft MMR reset. The introduction of solo and duo ques only, should have brought on a hard MMR reset. Why is the old MMR rating valid for solo and duo queue anyway? A lot of these people built up extremely high MMRs mainly through running full groups almost all the time. Listen to the players Anet, they are the ones who actually play this game and others games like this one. The players feedback (dismissing the crybabies) are the ones who can help you stop this game from falling into the fail category after only 4 years.
Does anyone else think this will separate the good and the bad players?

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Posted by: PierPiero.9142

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which difference is there between hard mmr reset and soft mmr reset ?

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Posted by: Ruru.1302

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The same players will be at the top. Don’t delude yourself.

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Posted by: Wolfric.9380

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not shure it will help to much. I think it should be done, but then also other things are needed like a base placing acording pvp rank or games played. So not mid season.
Also i think that MMR will settle better in the long run now but we need to get rid of placement matches current placement decides how manny matches you need to play to settle your true position.It can easily happen to be much higer then deserved and holding with few matches or be at the bottom and grind up with hundreds of games to get wehre you should be. System basically seems to work but creats a lot of frustration on the way to stabilize. Just easy placing broze/silver depending on rank and then let the system work would have been way better. Also adding a larger barrier to enter ranked so people actually know how to play maps and classes.

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Posted by: steelheart.7386

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Another mess of a season brings in the question why did Anet only do a soft MMR reset. The introduction of solo and duo ques only, should have brought on a hard MMR reset. Why is the old MMR rating valid for solo and duo queue anyway? A lot of these people built up extremely high MMRs mainly through running full groups almost all the time. Listen to the players Anet, they are the ones who actually play this game and others games like this one. The players feedback (dismissing the crybabies) are the ones who can help you stop this game from falling into the fail category after only 4 years.
Does anyone else think this will separate the good and the bad players?

They should have had a hard reset with a fairly lengthy placement preseason. But they are too incompetent/lazy so what is easiest almost always wins. Every season should be unique. This insistence on comapring people with MMRs based on years of games versus some noob that just finished his 50th match is ridiculous. Then we have things like how much people solo and grouped in the past effecting MMRs. We all know many groups, some quite good, have a member or two that get basically carried along. A-net seems to think people’s skill levels can be determined in a fairly small amount of matches so why not hard reset and pre-season of 20-30 games. When its not onerous A-net should do whatever they can to address player concerns. I have yet to see an explanation why a hard reset of MMRs is so bad. Why not test it at least? Surely they can save the older MMR. Why not test a hard reset with a longer pre-season of placement games.

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Posted by: NeXeD.3042

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The same players will be at the top. Don’t delude yourself.

no no no no no its going to be a complete reversal all the current bronze players will become Pro’s overnight and all the legendary and esl players will be outed for the no skill hacks they really are…… lololooolooloolol

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Posted by: BennyKay.6139

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you realize with a hard reset a former bronze player will not benefit them. At the start of each season your rank will be (1200+previous rating if any)/2. This is a soft reset. So all new players will begin at 1200 and players such as myself will start off around 1400. Because i performed well i will get paired with better players. If you did not perform well in the last season than you should not be paired with better players. You will only bring them down. A hard reset will reset everyone to a pre-determined # which is usually 1200. So good luck matching against previous legendary/plat players. And btw MMR is different than rating although the 2 numbers are complimentary. So when i talk about resets i use rating as an example number.

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Posted by: MissCee.1295

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They should have had a hard reset with a fairly lengthy placement preseason. But they are too incompetent/lazy so what is easiest almost always wins. Every season should be unique. This insistence on comapring people with MMRs based on years of games versus some noob that just finished his 50th match is ridiculous. Then we have things like how much people solo and grouped in the past effecting MMRs. We all know many groups, some quite good, have a member or two that get basically carried along. A-net seems to think people’s skill levels can be determined in a fairly small amount of matches so why not hard reset and pre-season of 20-30 games. When its not onerous A-net should do whatever they can to address player concerns. I have yet to see an explanation why a hard reset of MMRs is so bad. Why not test it at least? Surely they can save the older MMR. Why not test a hard reset with a longer pre-season of placement games.

I quite like this idea.

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Posted by: Reaper Alim.4176

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Consider me signing this. Too many freelo train riders talking down to those who didn’t get the free ride. Of course the pros will rise to the top. But it well put the brakes on the freelo train riders. Ofc this is jest.

But on a serious note there should be a hard rest every season.

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Posted by: BlaqueFyre.5678

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A common misconception players have right now is that a hard reset will magically make match making better, this is a false hope because everyone’s Mmr will be reset to the zero value of 1200 which also removes the information from The information gathered over the years causing huge volatility in the Player’s Mmr, also it will make all games even more random and you will have to still be grouped with all the new players/low tier players for even longer since they have the same Mmr as you.

Again this will make your PvP experience worse, not better you will just have the illusion that it helped.

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Posted by: NeXeD.3042

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A common misconception players have right now is that a hard reset will magically make match making better, this is a false hope because everyone’s Mmr will be reset to the zero value of 1200 which also removes the information from The information gathered over the years causing huge volatility in the Player’s Mmr, also it will make all games even more random and you will have to still be grouped with all the new players/low tier players for even longer since they have the same Mmr as you.

Again this will make your PvP experience worse, not better you will just have the illusion that it helped.

yeah agreed hard reset will screw the matchmaking up far more than helping it…. but in some peoples minds they arent where they belong and need something to blame other than themselves.

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Posted by: Ryan.9387

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Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

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Posted by: kdaddy.5431

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I dont know if Anet needs to do a hard MMR fix.

Alot of the people ive PvP with over the years who are still playing have moved up the rankings. People who started in the 1200 are now in the 1400. People in the 1400 are now near 1600. So alot of people were very angry over placement matches but i do think over the course of a season people will fall into the right division.

Things they need to look at though is the MMR start, im pretty sure the soft reset screwed alot of people. Having PvE players jump into the PvP scene with the same MMR as other players who care was not good.

Match making needed addressed, such as during the season 1100 and 1500 facing off against each other. I dont find that great. Maybe if they had a 300 point wall as well as just fixing class stacking so 3DHs or 3 thieves or eles are not on the same team.

Also from the TOP of the scene dealing with the Leader Board, One it should be on the forum so we can see the top 250 from NA and EU. Then this multiple accounts issue on the leader board. Literally like 5 players are holding 20 spots.

I have a theory on this, Anet doesnt want to fix that because it could potentially hint at the population of the game. I mean there are multiple threads of many players saying ohh i have 3 accounts in the top 250 or avoid such ESL player and his 6 accounts. Thats is literally 2 players taking up 9-10 spots on the leader board. I dont know how other games work but for a scene to be taken seriously people need to know the best players in the game.

Anet has alot of issues with this season, with many of the PvE players not PvPing anymore ive noticed a que time raise and im seeing more of the people i usually played get into there respected divisions. So they need to really focus on making good matches because for me thats what needed addressed from the start.

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Posted by: Blackdagger.9670

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Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

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Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

Thing is they have done a hard MMR reset before and from their own admission it was terrible.

How will a hard reset NOT make even worse match ups for months?

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Posted by: Faux Play.6104

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The soft MMR reset is good. You shouldn’t get the same credit for beating bad players as good players at the start of the season. Anet already has a good base for what people should be rated at.

The only thing that seems screwed up is at the top. You can queue dodge and place in the top spots without playing the top players. Wouldn’t be surprised if there is some match manipulation going on as well.

There should be an MMR cap that you can place into. The only way to get above or below the cap is to play more matches and either lose or win.

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Posted by: Aeolus.3615

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Reset mmr? Deppends how mmr is being traked on this game.

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Posted by: megilandil.7506

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Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

no, the extreme win rates of top players are a system fault, duoq + low population + playing in hours less populated+ infesting the top ranks whith their alts (that makes top players not playing versus top players) , if sistem works properly, top players had to play againts top players and get a win/loss ratio of 50-60% ( the win loss ratio of a player siting in his place must be of aprox 50% a little higher for better players a little lower for worse players )

higher winratios only may exist in new players whith skills, that fasclimbing the ranks or missplaced players by the placement matches

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Posted by: BennyKay.6139

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Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

no, the extreme win rates of top players are a system fault, duoq + low population + playing in hours less populated+ infesting the top ranks whith their alts (that makes top players not playing versus top players) , if sistem works properly, top players had to play againts top players and get a win/loss ratio of 50-60% ( the win loss ratio of a player siting in his place must be of aprox 50% a little higher for better players a little lower for worse players )

higher winratios only may exist in new players whith skills, that fasclimbing the ranks or missplaced players by the placement matches

Im having a little trouble following your logic. Are you saying that top players sitting around for days is unfair. Do you see how volatile the top 250 is. You can not even sit around for a day or you will get bumped. So if you are ranked top 250 your Rating wont change for 3 days but you can be sure your RANK will. Listen, if you can not win more than 50% of your games you should be in silver and bronze. If you can bump that up to 55-60% you will be gold and higher. Alot of the complaining is because people are losing matches or are stuck at a 50% W/L. I started in S3. I did not play last season so i could not benefit from the previous MMR. Now im G3/P1 and will probably be around there for the remainder. I dealt with the grind just like everyone else. I had bad players. But i never allowed myself to lose more than 2 in a row. Individual mechanics as well as q’ing with someone WILL help. If you are unwilling to make that effort than the climb will be impossible. And as for the placement matches… I went 6-4 landed in gold 1, then fell a little, then gained more. So its not impossible to rank up, you just have to stop blaming everyone/everything else and look inward

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Posted by: megilandil.7506

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Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

no, the extreme win rates of top players are a system fault, duoq + low population + playing in hours less populated+ infesting the top ranks whith their alts (that makes top players not playing versus top players) , if sistem works properly, top players had to play againts top players and get a win/loss ratio of 50-60% ( the win loss ratio of a player siting in his place must be of aprox 50% a little higher for better players a little lower for worse players )

higher winratios only may exist in new players whith skills, that fasclimbing the ranks or missplaced players by the placement matches

Im having a little trouble following your logic. Are you saying that top players sitting around for days is unfair. Do you see how volatile the top 250 is. You can not even sit around for a day or you will get bumped. So if you are ranked top 250 your Rating wont change for 3 days but you can be sure your RANK will. Listen, if you can not win more than 50% of your games you should be in silver and bronze. If you can bump that up to 55-60% you will be gold and higher. Alot of the complaining is because people are losing matches or are stuck at a 50% W/L. I started in S3. I did not play last season so i could not benefit from the previous MMR. Now im G3/P1 and will probably be around there for the remainder. I dealt with the grind just like everyone else. I had bad players. But i never allowed myself to lose more than 2 in a row. Individual mechanics as well as q’ing with someone WILL help. If you are unwilling to make that effort than the climb will be impossible. And as for the placement matches… I went 6-4 landed in gold 1, then fell a little, then gained more. So its not impossible to rank up, you just have to stop blaming everyone/everything else and look inward

no, your logic is that the one is failing, rating an win/loss ratio not have any correlation
1)when i say siting im not talking of doing nothing, im talking on be stable in a position
2)when im talking of enormous win ratios im not talking of the 60-70 of climbing players, im talking about being in firts places(top 25) till the first days and having 70%+ win ratio
3)when i say top players i’m not talking of top 250, i’m talking of top 25, the cream of the cream
4)win ratio only indicates the sped with you climb in the ladder, when you reach “your position” the win ratio have to be of aprox 50% because the matches have to be with your “equals”, being nº 1 and having a enormous win ratio only indicates one of these two things:
-1) your skill is godlike and you are far better than the other “pro players” and can carry your team versus others top players
– 2) system is failing and you are not playing versus top players you are playing versus the low pros
5) the volatility in mid lower topranks is another provation of this, you get matchet againts top top players and logically you lose
an apropiate system will make for those players equilibrated matches playing ones versus others not “farming” “low top 250” and this is the reason that they have insane win ratios

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

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Win/loss has no correlation on how good of a player you are. You heard it here first folks! This is the type of person you’ve attracted to your game Anet, are you proud?

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Posted by: Burn.5401

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Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

Thing is they have done a hard MMR reset before and from their own admission it was terrible.

How will a hard reset NOT make even worse match ups for months?

There hasn’t been a single hard reset during ANY of the league seasons. Hell I don’t even remember if they have done one before that. The problem is that they have been changing their system DRASTICALLY throughout the last year so that past MMR values impact the new ratings in a negative way. Players that got very high MMR during previous installments might not be suited for that rating in the current one and vice versa. We are already burdened with bad matchups due to volatile ratings, placements having too much of an impact and no restriction for the top spots of the leaderboard, so why not have a fresh start without the leftover discrepancies of the mess which is the hidden MMR?

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Posted by: BlaqueFyre.5678

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Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

Thing is they have done a hard MMR reset before and from their own admission it was terrible.

How will a hard reset NOT make even worse match ups for months?

There hasn’t been a single hard reset during ANY of the league seasons. Hell I don’t even remember if they have done one before that. The problem is that they have been changing their system DRASTICALLY throughout the last year so that past MMR values impact the new ratings in a negative way. Players that got very high MMR during previous installments might not be suited for that rating in the current one and vice versa. We are already burdened with bad matchups due to volatile ratings, placements having too much of an impact and no restriction for the top spots of the leaderboard, so why not have a fresh start without the leftover discrepancies of the mess which is the hidden MMR?

The hard reset happened a couple years ago iirc it was 2-3 years ago. It messed up a lot with the old Ladder system, since it zeroed out everything. Soft reset is almost as good they just need to tone down the volatility on the next season when the next reset happens.

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

Honest John.4673

Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

Thing is they have done a hard MMR reset before and from their own admission it was terrible.

How will a hard reset NOT make even worse match ups for months?

There hasn’t been a single hard reset during ANY of the league seasons. Hell I don’t even remember if they have done one before that. The problem is that they have been changing their system DRASTICALLY throughout the last year so that past MMR values impact the new ratings in a negative way. Players that got very high MMR during previous installments might not be suited for that rating in the current one and vice versa. We are already burdened with bad matchups due to volatile ratings, placements having too much of an impact and no restriction for the top spots of the leaderboard, so why not have a fresh start without the leftover discrepancies of the mess which is the hidden MMR?

Just because they didn’t tell you at the time didn’t mean it didn’t happen. If you want to call Evan a liar straight to his face after he admitted MMR was hard reset (and that it was a terrible experience) then go right ahead, that’s your prerogative. But a hard reset would take months to correct itself while things are already being corrected.

I know you probably are too fuming to see your MMR be not quite as high as you thought it was but if you record your gameplay and have people you know are better than you review it then you can still improve. :^)

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Posted by: Mysticjedi.6053

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Soft or hard reset won’t make someone better overall. You might up or down a level within a tier, but people in bronze or silver won’t magically be gold or platinum.

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Posted by: Burn.5401

Burn.5401

Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

Thing is they have done a hard MMR reset before and from their own admission it was terrible.

How will a hard reset NOT make even worse match ups for months?

There hasn’t been a single hard reset during ANY of the league seasons. Hell I don’t even remember if they have done one before that. The problem is that they have been changing their system DRASTICALLY throughout the last year so that past MMR values impact the new ratings in a negative way. Players that got very high MMR during previous installments might not be suited for that rating in the current one and vice versa. We are already burdened with bad matchups due to volatile ratings, placements having too much of an impact and no restriction for the top spots of the leaderboard, so why not have a fresh start without the leftover discrepancies of the mess which is the hidden MMR?

Just because they didn’t tell you at the time didn’t mean it didn’t happen. If you want to call Evan a liar straight to his face after he admitted MMR was hard reset (and that it was a terrible experience) then go right ahead, that’s your prerogative. But a hard reset would take months to correct itself while things are already being corrected.

I know you probably are too fuming to see your MMR be not quite as high as you thought it was but if you record your gameplay and have people you know are better than you review it then you can still improve. :^)

This is some next level strawman you have going there. First, I never said the hidden MMR was never reset, I simply admitted that I’m not sure when that happened because I’m certain it was not during the past two years. Second, I don’t see myself talking about my experience and my rating anywhere in my previous post so good job on that one.

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

Honest John.4673

Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

Thing is they have done a hard MMR reset before and from their own admission it was terrible.

How will a hard reset NOT make even worse match ups for months?

There hasn’t been a single hard reset during ANY of the league seasons. Hell I don’t even remember if they have done one before that. The problem is that they have been changing their system DRASTICALLY throughout the last year so that past MMR values impact the new ratings in a negative way. Players that got very high MMR during previous installments might not be suited for that rating in the current one and vice versa. We are already burdened with bad matchups due to volatile ratings, placements having too much of an impact and no restriction for the top spots of the leaderboard, so why not have a fresh start without the leftover discrepancies of the mess which is the hidden MMR?

Just because they didn’t tell you at the time didn’t mean it didn’t happen. If you want to call Evan a liar straight to his face after he admitted MMR was hard reset (and that it was a terrible experience) then go right ahead, that’s your prerogative. But a hard reset would take months to correct itself while things are already being corrected.

I know you probably are too fuming to see your MMR be not quite as high as you thought it was but if you record your gameplay and have people you know are better than you review it then you can still improve. :^)

This is some next level strawman you have going there. First, I never said the hidden MMR was never reset, I simply admitted that I’m not sure when that happened because I’m certain it was not during the past two years. Second, I don’t see myself talking about my experience and my rating anywhere in my previous post so good job on that one.

First, you say “I don’t even remember if they have done one before that” admitting to not knowing if they have, then try to turn that around to mean “I’m not sure when that happened” like you knew it did happen you just didn’t know when.

And if you have to advocate for a hard reset then I can kind of gauge where your skill set is at, that or you’re woefully misinformed.

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Posted by: megilandil.7506

megilandil.7506

Win/loss has no correlation on how good of a player you are. You heard it here first folks! This is the type of person you’ve attracted to your game Anet, are you proud?

another what are clueless of how the mm system for a ladder rank sistem should go.
a competitive ladder system works with you climbing defeating your “ladder companions” (not farming low ladders) until you are better than your “ladder companions” you will have an high win/loss ratio when you will be among your truly equals an fighting versus them your win/loss ratio will be of 50% AND YOU WILL BE IN YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE LADDER.

The faults of this sistem is more clearly observed viewing the top ones, they had reached their positions and conserve and enormous win/loss ratio that is not correct for anyone having hit his site, in others ranks you cant observe this , you dont know if players are climbing or they reached theyr TRUE PLACE
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Posted by: Honest John.4673

Honest John.4673

Win/loss has no correlation on how good of a player you are. You heard it here first folks! This is the type of person you’ve attracted to your game Anet, are you proud?

another what are clueless of how the mm system for a ladder rank sistem should go.
a competitive ladder system works with you climbing defeating your “ladder companions” (not farming low ladders) until you are better than your “ladder companions” you will have an high win/loss ratio when you will be among your truly equals an fighting versus them your win/loss ratio will be of 50% AND YOU WILL BE IN YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE LADDER.

The faults of this sistem is more clearly observed viewing the top ones, they had reached their positions and conserve and enormous win/loss ratio that is not correct for anyone having hit his site, in others ranks you cant observe this , you dont know if players are climbing or they reached theyr TRUE PLACE
3) the

I don’t think you understand how a bellcurve system works. Or what an outlier is.

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Posted by: Burn.5401

Burn.5401

Well, to be honest I actually expect Anet to say “Ok… we screwed that up” in this situation about matchmaking of this season.

Hard MMR reset for all accounts is the only way out of this hell. I am sorry but it is more than an option at the moment. It’s more like a mandatory action. Every day from now on that Anet spends with not considering to initiate Hard MMR reset, is just another day with full of depressing, exhausting and pointless time to be wasted for players. Because this will eventually leads to death of pvp and losing tons of loyal players in gw2 pvp community.

Mark my words.

Thing is they have done a hard MMR reset before and from their own admission it was terrible.

How will a hard reset NOT make even worse match ups for months?

There hasn’t been a single hard reset during ANY of the league seasons. Hell I don’t even remember if they have done one before that. The problem is that they have been changing their system DRASTICALLY throughout the last year so that past MMR values impact the new ratings in a negative way. Players that got very high MMR during previous installments might not be suited for that rating in the current one and vice versa. We are already burdened with bad matchups due to volatile ratings, placements having too much of an impact and no restriction for the top spots of the leaderboard, so why not have a fresh start without the leftover discrepancies of the mess which is the hidden MMR?

Just because they didn’t tell you at the time didn’t mean it didn’t happen. If you want to call Evan a liar straight to his face after he admitted MMR was hard reset (and that it was a terrible experience) then go right ahead, that’s your prerogative. But a hard reset would take months to correct itself while things are already being corrected.

I know you probably are too fuming to see your MMR be not quite as high as you thought it was but if you record your gameplay and have people you know are better than you review it then you can still improve. :^)

This is some next level strawman you have going there. First, I never said the hidden MMR was never reset, I simply admitted that I’m not sure when that happened because I’m certain it was not during the past two years. Second, I don’t see myself talking about my experience and my rating anywhere in my previous post so good job on that one.

First, you say “I don’t even remember if they have done one before that” admitting to not knowing if they have, then try to turn that around to mean “I’m not sure when that happened” like you knew it did happen you just didn’t know when.

And if you have to advocate for a hard reset then I can kind of gauge where your skill set is at, that or you’re woefully misinformed.

So I don’t remember “if” and “when” there was a reset and that is somehow contradictory? lol
I can tell you I’m currently Plat 2 with about 20 games played, but feel free to call me a lier now and come up with some other made up thing for no reason.

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

Honest John.4673

So I don’t remember “if” and “when” there was a reset and that is somehow contradictory? lol

Um, is english your first language? Cause that’s exactly what you were implying using “If” then switching to “when”.

I can tell you I’m currently Plat 2 with about 20 games played, but feel free to call me a lier now and come up with some other made up thing for no reason.

Let’s see if you’re still there at the end of the season or if you could even get there with a hard reset first.

(Hint: you’re better off this way)

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Posted by: Burn.5401

Burn.5401

So I don’t remember “if” and “when” there was a reset and that is somehow contradictory? lol

Um, is english your first language? Cause that’s exactly what you were implying using “If” then switching to “when”.

I can tell you I’m currently Plat 2 with about 20 games played, but feel free to call me a lier now and come up with some other made up thing for no reason.

Let’s see if you’re still there at the end of the season or if you could even get there with a hard reset first.

(Hint: you’re better off this way)

I’m actually confused at what you fail to understand here? You’re just twisting my words grasping at some invisible straw. I never admitted to knowing of a hard reset that’s happened before, I just assumed it did because of multiple people talking about it in the thread.

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Posted by: Mr Godlike.6098

Mr Godlike.6098

A common misconception players have right now is that a hard reset will magically make match making better, this is a false hope because everyone’s Mmr will be reset to the zero value of 1200 which also removes the information from The information gathered over the years causing huge volatility in the Player’s Mmr, also it will make all games even more random and you will have to still be grouped with all the new players/low tier players for even longer since they have the same Mmr as you.

Again this will make your PvP experience worse, not better you will just have the illusion that it helped.

Complete agreement with this. For me they need to reward better players who really carry match – more rating for win then his teammates or less punishing rating drop.

It’s funny cause all this situation is effect of previous seasons – to many people grinded legendary rank in those days and think that there are pro’s. Do you guys know why anet is silent about that? Everybody knew that spoiled with previous seasons players will OVEREACT harsh unforgiving reality.

EDIT: ow and totally called it.

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

Honest John.4673

I never admitted to knowing of a hard reset that’s happened before, I just assumed it did because of multiple people talking about it in the thread.

You admitted to not knowing if a thing happened. And from the previous sentence it heavily implies that you thought there was no hard reset. You have to realize what people are going to infer from your statements.

And now you’re assuming it did happen when you can check Evan’s post history to see where it says they did reset it. Don’t take my word for it.

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Posted by: megilandil.7506

megilandil.7506

Win/loss has no correlation on how good of a player you are. You heard it here first folks! This is the type of person you’ve attracted to your game Anet, are you proud?

another what are clueless of how the mm system for a ladder rank sistem should go.
a competitive ladder system works with you climbing defeating your “ladder companions” (not farming low ladders) until you are better than your “ladder companions” you will have an high win/loss ratio when you will be among your truly equals an fighting versus them your win/loss ratio will be of 50% AND YOU WILL BE IN YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE LADDER.

The faults of this sistem is more clearly observed viewing the top ones, they had reached their positions and conserve and enormous win/loss ratio that is not correct for anyone having hit his site, in others ranks you cant observe this , you dont know if players are climbing or they reached theyr TRUE PLACE
3) the

I don’t think you understand how a bellcurve system works. Or what an outlier is.

bell curve is a statistical function of density distribution not a ranking system, forcing rankings to adjust a bell curve distribution if the thing ranked true distribution not is consistent to expected bell distribution is a bad system for ranking

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

Honest John.4673

Win/loss has no correlation on how good of a player you are. You heard it here first folks! This is the type of person you’ve attracted to your game Anet, are you proud?

another what are clueless of how the mm system for a ladder rank sistem should go.
a competitive ladder system works with you climbing defeating your “ladder companions” (not farming low ladders) until you are better than your “ladder companions” you will have an high win/loss ratio when you will be among your truly equals an fighting versus them your win/loss ratio will be of 50% AND YOU WILL BE IN YOUR TRUE POSITION IN THE LADDER.

The faults of this sistem is more clearly observed viewing the top ones, they had reached their positions and conserve and enormous win/loss ratio that is not correct for anyone having hit his site, in others ranks you cant observe this , you dont know if players are climbing or they reached theyr TRUE PLACE
3) the

I don’t think you understand how a bellcurve system works. Or what an outlier is.

bell curve is a statistical function of density distribution not a ranking system, forcing rankings to adjust a bell curve distribution if the thing ranked true distribution not is consistent to expected bell distribution is a bad system for ranking

Now I know for sure you really don’t know what a bell curve is. Of course it’s not a ranking system, and nothing’s being forced into one, that’s where thing’s naturally will fall, the majority of people are average, with very small numbers of really bad players and really good players who fall outside the norm and are not consistent with the rest of the distribution.

There are going to be players so bad they literally cannot win a game, and there’s going to be players so good they rarely lose a game, they don’t conform to the norm. Do you need to have a bell curve drawn out for you to see where these outliers lie?

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Posted by: Moonsinn.5382

Moonsinn.5382

Hard reset would be horrible for matchmaking. I detest this idea. I don’t want to be paired with people far below my level, and I don’t want to be facing people far above my level. I don’t want to play 100+ matches just for MMR to learn where everyone belongs. A hard reset will not help anyone. It would be chaos.

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Posted by: JTGuevara.9018

JTGuevara.9018

Hard reset is PvP suicide. Look at the damage a SOFT reset has done.

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Posted by: Moonsinn.5382

Moonsinn.5382

Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

no, the extreme win rates of top players are a system fault, duoq + low population + playing in hours less populated+ infesting the top ranks whith their alts (that makes top players not playing versus top players) , if sistem works properly, top players had to play againts top players and get a win/loss ratio of 50-60% ( the win loss ratio of a player siting in his place must be of aprox 50% a little higher for better players a little lower for worse players )

higher winratios only may exist in new players whith skills, that fasclimbing the ranks or missplaced players by the placement matches

Im having a little trouble following your logic. Are you saying that top players sitting around for days is unfair. Do you see how volatile the top 250 is. You can not even sit around for a day or you will get bumped. So if you are ranked top 250 your Rating wont change for 3 days but you can be sure your RANK will. Listen, if you can not win more than 50% of your games you should be in silver and bronze. If you can bump that up to 55-60% you will be gold and higher. Alot of the complaining is because people are losing matches or are stuck at a 50% W/L. I started in S3. I did not play last season so i could not benefit from the previous MMR. Now im G3/P1 and will probably be around there for the remainder. I dealt with the grind just like everyone else. I had bad players. But i never allowed myself to lose more than 2 in a row. Individual mechanics as well as q’ing with someone WILL help. If you are unwilling to make that effort than the climb will be impossible. And as for the placement matches… I went 6-4 landed in gold 1, then fell a little, then gained more. So its not impossible to rank up, you just have to stop blaming everyone/everything else and look inward

no, your logic is that the one is failing, rating an win/loss ratio not have any correlation
1)when i say siting im not talking of doing nothing, im talking on be stable in a position
2)when im talking of enormous win ratios im not talking of the 60-70 of climbing players, im talking about being in firts places(top 25) till the first days and having 70%+ win ratio
3)when i say top players i’m not talking of top 250, i’m talking of top 25, the cream of the cream
4)win ratio only indicates the sped with you climb in the ladder, when you reach “your position” the win ratio have to be of aprox 50% because the matches have to be with your “equals”, being nº 1 and having a enormous win ratio only indicates one of these two things:
-1) your skill is godlike and you are far better than the other “pro players” and can carry your team versus others top players
– 2) system is failing and you are not playing versus top players you are playing versus the low pros
5) the volatility in mid lower topranks is another provation of this, you get matchet againts top top players and logically you lose
an apropiate system will make for those players equilibrated matches playing ones versus others not “farming” “low top 250” and this is the reason that they have insane win ratios

I think the reason you are having trouble understanding the high win ratios in the top 25 (I’ll assume that’s correct), is that you imagine that those players are only playing against each other. At the top end of the rating system, the variance in MMR can be much larger than in the middle of the system because there are fewer players to match against. Thus they can play against and win against lower rated players more often than someone who is in a larger pool of similarly rated players.

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Posted by: megilandil.7506

megilandil.7506

Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

no, the extreme win rates of top players are a system fault, duoq + low population + playing in hours less populated+ infesting the top ranks whith their alts (that makes top players not playing versus top players) , if sistem works properly, top players had to play againts top players and get a win/loss ratio of 50-60% ( the win loss ratio of a player siting in his place must be of aprox 50% a little higher for better players a little lower for worse players )

higher winratios only may exist in new players whith skills, that fasclimbing the ranks or missplaced players by the placement matches

Im having a little trouble following your logic. Are you saying that top players sitting around for days is unfair. Do you see how volatile the top 250 is. You can not even sit around for a day or you will get bumped. So if you are ranked top 250 your Rating wont change for 3 days but you can be sure your RANK will. Listen, if you can not win more than 50% of your games you should be in silver and bronze. If you can bump that up to 55-60% you will be gold and higher. Alot of the complaining is because people are losing matches or are stuck at a 50% W/L. I started in S3. I did not play last season so i could not benefit from the previous MMR. Now im G3/P1 and will probably be around there for the remainder. I dealt with the grind just like everyone else. I had bad players. But i never allowed myself to lose more than 2 in a row. Individual mechanics as well as q’ing with someone WILL help. If you are unwilling to make that effort than the climb will be impossible. And as for the placement matches… I went 6-4 landed in gold 1, then fell a little, then gained more. So its not impossible to rank up, you just have to stop blaming everyone/everything else and look inward

no, your logic is that the one is failing, rating an win/loss ratio not have any correlation
1)when i say siting im not talking of doing nothing, im talking on be stable in a position
2)when im talking of enormous win ratios im not talking of the 60-70 of climbing players, im talking about being in firts places(top 25) till the first days and having 70%+ win ratio
3)when i say top players i’m not talking of top 250, i’m talking of top 25, the cream of the cream
4)win ratio only indicates the sped with you climb in the ladder, when you reach “your position” the win ratio have to be of aprox 50% because the matches have to be with your “equals”, being nº 1 and having a enormous win ratio only indicates one of these two things:
-1) your skill is godlike and you are far better than the other “pro players” and can carry your team versus others top players
– 2) system is failing and you are not playing versus top players you are playing versus the low pros
5) the volatility in mid lower topranks is another provation of this, you get matchet againts top top players and logically you lose
an apropiate system will make for those players equilibrated matches playing ones versus others not “farming” “low top 250” and this is the reason that they have insane win ratios

I think the reason you are having trouble understanding the high win ratios in the top 25 (I’ll assume that’s correct), is that you imagine that those players are only playing against each other. At the top end of the rating system, the variance in MMR can be much larger than in the middle of the system because there are fewer players to match against. Thus they can play against and win against lower rated players more often than someone who is in a larger pool of similarly rated players.

no, not having trouble in understandibg how they get this winratios, that i dont understand is why there is not safeguards to prevent this
the way is.
-play in low populated hours
-create various alts and put them in top 250
-track other top players and their known alts and q skip them
-duo q with other top of the top player
and this way you obtain a great mmr variance and as they are top players had a greatter impact in their team and ensure ez wins

(edited by megilandil.7506)

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Posted by: Ashantara.8731

Ashantara.8731

The same players will be at the top. Don’t delude yourself.

no no no no no its going to be a complete reversal all the current bronze players will become Pro’s overnight and all the legendary and esl players will be outed for the no skill hacks they really are…… lololooolooloolol

Wow, what a mature post. Very helpful.

Especially since it is complete beside the point the OP was trying to make. S/he wasn’t talking about the pros, genius, but about all the other players who aren’t all on the same level just because they aren’t pro players. (head—>desk)

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Posted by: Lordrosicky.5813

Lordrosicky.5813

You people are so deluded. There is no mmr hell. I placed at 1020 which is bronze i think. Those games were the easiest games i have ever seen. It was almost impossible to lose even as someome who hadnt played for years and didnt know any of the expansion skills or anything.

If you are at bronze or silver and cant carry out of that mmr then you completely suck.

People are deluded and see mistakes in everything other people did whilst not seeing their own errors.

A hard mmr reset would be a total disaster.

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Posted by: Honest John.4673

Honest John.4673

If you are at bronze or silver and cant carry out of that mmr then you completely suck.

People are deluded and see mistakes in everything other people did whilst not seeing their own errors.

A hard mmr reset would be a total disaster.

LOL! You don’t understaaaand man! ONLY the best players in the game can carry in bronze. Literally anyone else and it’s impossible. Anyone other than Helseth (or whoever else does it) and it destroys the narrative :^)

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Posted by: Essence Snow.3194

Essence Snow.3194

Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

no, the extreme win rates of top players are a system fault, duoq + low population + playing in hours less populated+ infesting the top ranks whith their alts (that makes top players not playing versus top players) , if sistem works properly, top players had to play againts top players and get a win/loss ratio of 50-60% ( the win loss ratio of a player siting in his place must be of aprox 50% a little higher for better players a little lower for worse players )

higher winratios only may exist in new players whith skills, that fasclimbing the ranks or missplaced players by the placement matches

Im having a little trouble following your logic. Are you saying that top players sitting around for days is unfair. Do you see how volatile the top 250 is. You can not even sit around for a day or you will get bumped. So if you are ranked top 250 your Rating wont change for 3 days but you can be sure your RANK will. Listen, if you can not win more than 50% of your games you should be in silver and bronze. If you can bump that up to 55-60% you will be gold and higher. Alot of the complaining is because people are losing matches or are stuck at a 50% W/L. I started in S3. I did not play last season so i could not benefit from the previous MMR. Now im G3/P1 and will probably be around there for the remainder. I dealt with the grind just like everyone else. I had bad players. But i never allowed myself to lose more than 2 in a row. Individual mechanics as well as q’ing with someone WILL help. If you are unwilling to make that effort than the climb will be impossible. And as for the placement matches… I went 6-4 landed in gold 1, then fell a little, then gained more. So its not impossible to rank up, you just have to stop blaming everyone/everything else and look inward

no, your logic is that the one is failing, rating an win/loss ratio not have any correlation
1)when i say siting im not talking of doing nothing, im talking on be stable in a position
2)when im talking of enormous win ratios im not talking of the 60-70 of climbing players, im talking about being in firts places(top 25) till the first days and having 70%+ win ratio
3)when i say top players i’m not talking of top 250, i’m talking of top 25, the cream of the cream
4)win ratio only indicates the sped with you climb in the ladder, when you reach “your position” the win ratio have to be of aprox 50% because the matches have to be with your “equals”, being nº 1 and having a enormous win ratio only indicates one of these two things:
-1) your skill is godlike and you are far better than the other “pro players” and can carry your team versus others top players
– 2) system is failing and you are not playing versus top players you are playing versus the low pros
5) the volatility in mid lower topranks is another provation of this, you get matchet againts top top players and logically you lose
an apropiate system will make for those players equilibrated matches playing ones versus others not “farming” “low top 250” and this is the reason that they have insane win ratios

I think the reason you are having trouble understanding the high win ratios in the top 25 (I’ll assume that’s correct), is that you imagine that those players are only playing against each other. At the top end of the rating system, the variance in MMR can be much larger than in the middle of the system because there are fewer players to match against. Thus they can play against and win against lower rated players more often than someone who is in a larger pool of similarly rated players.

no, not having trouble in understandibg how they get this winratios, that i dont understand is why there is not safeguards to prevent this
the way is.
-play in low populated hours
-create various alts and put them in top 250
-track other top players and their known alts and q skip them
-duo q with other top of the top player
and this way you obtain a great mmr variance and as they are top players had a greatter impact in their team and ensure ez wins

While I don’t necessarily agree with it…he/she’s not wrong.

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Posted by: Vicky.4563

Vicky.4563

I love it. I support it.

I can’t wait to see what excuse they’ll come up with next when after an MMR reset, the same players are at the top and the same players are on the bottom.

Calling it now. First they’ll say duo queues are evil and Anet will take it away. Then they’ll say class stacking is screwing everything up, so Anet will restrict it. Then they’ll say class XYZ is too OP, nerf it, and Anet will nerf it. And so on an so forth and they’ll never run out of excuses.

Feel free to refer back to my post in a year or so. Calling it now.

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Posted by: trunks.5249

trunks.5249

to be honest i think they should have started everyone in bronze and work their way up the ladder. that way everyone is in the same boat and there wouldn’t be so many posts about people thinking the mmr is not working. the really good pvp players would have zoomed up in a day or two

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Posted by: Lordrosicky.5813

Lordrosicky.5813

If you are at bronze or silver and cant carry out of that mmr then you completely suck.

People are deluded and see mistakes in everything other people did whilst not seeing their own errors.

A hard mmr reset would be a total disaster.

LOL! You don’t understaaaand man! ONLY the best players in the game can carry in bronze. Literally anyone else and it’s impossible. Anyone other than Helseth (or whoever else does it) and it destroys the narrative :^)

You being sarcastic?

Anyway, I am bad and I placed at 1020 MMR. I solo queued my way to 1800. The games at 1020 mmr were impossible to lose.

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Posted by: Soothsayer.9206

Soothsayer.9206

couldn’t agree more! name any other competitive sport that carries it’s previous season into a subsequent one? a new season is a fresh start, and gives you an opportunity prove your mettle (did you improve or regress?)! if you are really good, it will show and there shouldn’t be a problem. there are 2 potential killers imho – people who believe that no one is as “good” as them; they will not “tolerate” inexperienced/“poor” players (imho is a large part of the reason MMR is the way it currently constructed). the other is match manipulation which totally skews everything.

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Posted by: Lucius.2140

Lucius.2140

Look at their winrates. If you can pull a 70% w/l then you could be up there too.

The people up top generally belong there. If you reset MMR all you will get is a week or two of the same players curbstomping randoms as a duo. I’m sure you wouldn’t find that fun.

no, the extreme win rates of top players are a system fault, duoq + low population + playing in hours less populated+ infesting the top ranks whith their alts (that makes top players not playing versus top players) , if sistem works properly, top players had to play againts top players and get a win/loss ratio of 50-60% ( the win loss ratio of a player siting in his place must be of aprox 50% a little higher for better players a little lower for worse players )

higher winratios only may exist in new players whith skills, that fasclimbing the ranks or missplaced players by the placement matches

Im having a little trouble following your logic. Are you saying that top players sitting around for days is unfair. Do you see how volatile the top 250 is. You can not even sit around for a day or you will get bumped. So if you are ranked top 250 your Rating wont change for 3 days but you can be sure your RANK will. Listen, if you can not win more than 50% of your games you should be in silver and bronze. If you can bump that up to 55-60% you will be gold and higher. Alot of the complaining is because people are losing matches or are stuck at a 50% W/L. I started in S3. I did not play last season so i could not benefit from the previous MMR. Now im G3/P1 and will probably be around there for the remainder. I dealt with the grind just like everyone else. I had bad players. But i never allowed myself to lose more than 2 in a row. Individual mechanics as well as q’ing with someone WILL help. If you are unwilling to make that effort than the climb will be impossible. And as for the placement matches… I went 6-4 landed in gold 1, then fell a little, then gained more. So its not impossible to rank up, you just have to stop blaming everyone/everything else and look inward

no, your logic is that the one is failing, rating an win/loss ratio not have any correlation
1)when i say siting im not talking of doing nothing, im talking on be stable in a position
2)when im talking of enormous win ratios im not talking of the 60-70 of climbing players, im talking about being in firts places(top 25) till the first days and having 70%+ win ratio
3)when i say top players i’m not talking of top 250, i’m talking of top 25, the cream of the cream
4)win ratio only indicates the sped with you climb in the ladder, when you reach “your position” the win ratio have to be of aprox 50% because the matches have to be with your “equals”, being nº 1 and having a enormous win ratio only indicates one of these two things:
-1) your skill is godlike and you are far better than the other “pro players” and can carry your team versus others top players
– 2) system is failing and you are not playing versus top players you are playing versus the low pros
5) the volatility in mid lower topranks is another provation of this, you get matchet againts top top players and logically you lose
an apropiate system will make for those players equilibrated matches playing ones versus others not “farming” “low top 250” and this is the reason that they have insane win ratios

I think the reason you are having trouble understanding the high win ratios in the top 25 (I’ll assume that’s correct), is that you imagine that those players are only playing against each other. At the top end of the rating system, the variance in MMR can be much larger than in the middle of the system because there are fewer players to match against. Thus they can play against and win against lower rated players more often than someone who is in a larger pool of similarly rated players.

no, not having trouble in understandibg how they get this winratios, that i dont understand is why there is not safeguards to prevent this
the way is.
-play in low populated hours
-create various alts and put them in top 250
-track other top players and their known alts and q skip them
-duo q with other top of the top player
and this way you obtain a great mmr variance and as they are top players had a greatter impact in their team and ensure ez wins

Alts screw the leaderboards, a part of it, they obviusly dont affects against who they play, even if his alt beats you and your MMR dropped (even in the long run, just supose) you are the same player, his beating the same guy, only difference could be: que times and they will win less.

Hard MMR Reset Petition

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Posted by: Archon.6480

Archon.6480

No way! No hard reset! I almost don’t want there to be another soft reset either. Just leave everyone where they are at the end of the season. Games are finally getting better in Gold. Lets just leave it as it.

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