Guild Wars 2

Since Helseth and Sindrenerr are organising an event for us, I thought it may be helpful to remind people that these two subreddits that I created long ago still exist. Although only “PvP Teams” still seems to be in use, probably because there are no teams to scrim at the moment!

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2TeamScrims/

Link to Helseth’s reddit posts:
1st post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5o49l3/helseth_lets_talk_about_season_5_and_gw2_pvp_in/?st=iy08zsk3&sh=f0d005a1

2nd post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5nzmce/first_2017_pvp_tournament_hosted_by_sind_and/?st=iy090kse&sh=6a3cb7d5

Personal ramble:
I think Helseth absolutely hits the nail on the head in the YouTube video linked in his second post, with his hopes and vision for the GW2 competitive scene moving forward.

Solo / Duo and NO Team Queue just has to stay as it is.
What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.

We used to have them, the Academy Gaming events! Personally I competed in many of those and a few ESL events before I stopped playing like many others around the time of the HoT release, but now I’m back and playing regularly and I’m sure I am far from alone in that.

Helseth briefly mentions Smash is his video and I really do see the similarities and value in having a proper competitive scene. As a Smash4 TO, who has grown a large scene from the ground up over the last year and a half. I know first hand how great grassroots events can be and what they add to the competitive scene and once you have these things and if they are well organised and a lot of effort goes into them, it grows and grows and pulls so many new people in.

duuuuu eeeeeet

Tanglewood.7523:

Solo / Duo and NO Team Queue just has to stay as it is.
What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.

no. not only do we need team ques we need team events implemented by anet. the community working hard wont grow it alone. no sane person would become competitive in a rng gameplay like this i understand other games can do it. but those games arent so dependent on your teammates like guild wars is.

Tanglewood.7523:

Since Helseth and Sindrenerr are organising an event for us, I thought it may be helpful to remind people that these two subreddits that I created long ago still exist. Although only “PvP Teams” still seems to be in use, probably because there are no teams to scrim at the moment!

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2TeamScrims/

Link to Helseth’s reddit posts:
1st post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5o49l3/helseth_lets_talk_about_season_5_and_gw2_pvp_in/?st=iy08zsk3&sh=f0d005a1

2nd post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5nzmce/first_2017_pvp_tournament_hosted_by_sind_and/?st=iy090kse&sh=6a3cb7d5

Personal ramble:
I think Helseth absolutely hits the nail on the head in the YouTube video linked in his second post, with his hopes and vision for the GW2 competitive scene moving forward.

Solo / Duo and NO Team Queue just has to stay as it is.
What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.

We used to have them, the Academy Gaming events! Personally I competed in many of those and a few ESL events before I stopped playing like many others around the time of the HoT release, but now I’m back and playing regularly and I’m sure I am far from alone in that.

Helseth briefly mentions Smash is his video and I really do see the similarities and value in having a proper competitive scene. As a Smash4 TO, who has grown a large scene from the ground up over the last year and a half. I know first hand how great grassroots events can be and what they add to the competitive scene and once you have these things and if they are well organised and a lot of effort goes into them, it grows and grows and pulls so many new people in.

no, no duo, only solo and a sort of team q, call automated tournamentts call team q call whatever a thing for teams to play improve and have fun in their terms not farming soloers

sophiewhite.3149:

Tanglewood.7523:

Solo / Duo and NO Team Queue just has to stay as it is.
What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.

no. not only do we need team ques we need team events implemented by anet. the community working hard wont grow it alone. no sane person would become competitive in a rng gameplay like this i understand other games can do it. but those games arent so dependent on your teammates like guild wars is.

I think you pretty much completely missed what I was saying.

We don’t need a team queue but we DO need a place for TEAMS for compete as I mentioned either in community run events or even better automated tournaments which would likely have more teams competing in due to the ease of joining them on a whim.

I’m not saying people will become competitive team players by playing solo and duo, they need the community events and or automated events for that. However as a ranked queue for rating, solo duo is the right system. Solo would of course be the most accurate but playing completely alone is boring.

megilandil.7506:

Tanglewood.7523:

Since Helseth and Sindrenerr are organising an event for us, I thought it may be helpful to remind people that these two subreddits that I created long ago still exist. Although only “PvP Teams” still seems to be in use, probably because there are no teams to scrim at the moment!

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2TeamScrims/

Link to Helseth’s reddit posts:
1st post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5o49l3/helseth_lets_talk_about_season_5_and_gw2_pvp_in/?st=iy08zsk3&sh=f0d005a1

2nd post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5nzmce/first_2017_pvp_tournament_hosted_by_sind_and/?st=iy090kse&sh=6a3cb7d5

Personal ramble:
I think Helseth absolutely hits the nail on the head in the YouTube video linked in his second post, with his hopes and vision for the GW2 competitive scene moving forward.

Solo / Duo and NO Team Queue just has to stay as it is.
What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.

We used to have them, the Academy Gaming events! Personally I competed in many of those and a few ESL events before I stopped playing like many others around the time of the HoT release, but now I’m back and playing regularly and I’m sure I am far from alone in that.

Helseth briefly mentions Smash is his video and I really do see the similarities and value in having a proper competitive scene. As a Smash4 TO, who has grown a large scene from the ground up over the last year and a half. I know first hand how great grassroots events can be and what they add to the competitive scene and once you have these things and if they are well organised and a lot of effort goes into them, it grows and grows and pulls so many new people in.

no, no duo, only solo and a sort of team q, call automated tournamentts call team q call whatever a thing for teams to play improve and have fun in their terms not farming soloers

You’ve literally said “no” and then gone on to suggest the exact same thing I suggested.

ME: “What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.”

YOU:“team q, call automated tournamentts call team q call whatever a thing for teams to play improve and have fun in their terms not farming soloers”

While it’s commendable that the players themselves are organizing tournaments in a attempt to raise awareness and or sway people to pick up the game and give it a shot, however this is probably not going to meet expectations you seek for several reasons. At best it will accomplish a slight boost to viewer count and or player count, but only for a short time because of the following.

1) Others have spent countless hours, Storm being a good example, being a shoutcaster, tournament organizer etc trying to shed light on the competitive scene to others for quite some time. However the viewer count for tournaments and the game in general have for the most been, well….. stagnant, and at best produced mediocre results. That being said, what’s one organized tournament going to solve? And I can’t even say consistency in this case is not a guarantee of success. The problem lies much deeper than this.

2) There needs to be a solo que AND a ranked que, both with leaderboards. Spare me the failed logic that gw2 is fun this season, or about organized teams stomping pubs, or private servers, there needs to be a option for ranked team players, and ranked solo, period. There is no harm that can come of a organized team going against another organized team. It’s borderline dumb to have a team based game that you literally cannot que as a team in a competitive setting that the game itself supports.

3) There needs to be a system in place that auto runs tournaments already incorporated in the game. Bring back the old 3 game tournament style from way back, or incorporate a new tournament feature in the game to promote pre existing or new teams to sign up and compete say every Sunday for example, for special prizes.

4) Trust issues from terrible decision making. A-net hasn’t really done much to sway the minds of pre existing players, and new players alike that meaningful change is actually coming. It’s been 4 years since release, and while I’ll admit they’ve added a few quality of life changes to the game in terms of pvp, new maps for conquest, starting to separate balance between the game modes, and just recently functioning leaderboards for the most part, but sadly that’s where it ends imo.

The only game mode they conjured up from the vocal minority ended up being a massive flop, and the expansion brought even more balance struggles and power creep that has them knee deep in trouble. And on top of that there’s very little to no build diversity, rather a process of deleting and adding amulets every patch in a desperate attempt to keep their heads above water. Not to mention the heavy handed balance switches every so often. This massive tug of war in balancing leaves the impression that they either don’t know where the problem is originating from, or that they simply can’t do math, and either of those is very unsettling for players that are already playing, or for those pressed up against the looking glass trying to get a feel of what they might be getting into.

I could go on but I just noticed it’s 4 in the morning. I’m going to bed.

Short Summary Kinda TLDR:
- A-net needs to support their own game instead of players picking up the pieces.
- A-net needs to add both ranked team and solo q in the game.
- A-net needs to add in game organized tournaments for prizes.
- A-net needs a new game mode that the players actually want.
- A-net needs to add more build diversity, not meta enforcing power creep to trees.
- A-net needs needs to avoid heavy handed balance changes from season to season.

Thanks for reading

Countless

Not seen anything of this dude in a while but unless Helseth has changed considerably in the last 2 years then playing this tournament seems a terrible idea seen as all he will do is call everyone plebs, ridicule everyone and just generally use the whole thing to make people feel bad about themselves.

So if you play just be prepared to be mocked on stream for everyone to see. That is how he did things previously. I doubt he has changed although others can speak to that.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Not seen anything of this dude in a while but unless Helseth has changed considerably in the last 2 years then playing this tournament seems a terrible idea seen as all he will do is call everyone plebs, ridicule everyone and just generally use the whole thing to make people feel bad about themselves.

So if you play just be prepared to be mocked on stream for everyone to see. That is how he did things previously. I doubt he has changed although others can speak to that.

helseth has a funny persona he sticks to to make streams interesting. if your skin is so thin you cant take a joke or take yourself too serious then this isnt the tournament for you. however if you want to show off your skill and have fun? this is totally for you.

sophiewhite.3149:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Not seen anything of this dude in a while but unless Helseth has changed considerably in the last 2 years then playing this tournament seems a terrible idea seen as all he will do is call everyone plebs, ridicule everyone and just generally use the whole thing to make people feel bad about themselves.

So if you play just be prepared to be mocked on stream for everyone to see. That is how he did things previously. I doubt he has changed although others can speak to that.

helseth has a funny persona he sticks to to make streams interesting. if your skin is so thin you cant take a joke or take yourself too serious then this isnt the tournament for you. however if you want to show off your skill and have fun? this is totally for you.

It is not about me being thin skinned. I am just warning people to play if you like but unless the guy has changed then be prepared to be called a pleb on stream if you make a mistake. So those who are thick skinned and don’t mind being called terrible/pleb then go ahead.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Not seen anything of this dude in a while but unless Helseth has changed considerably in the last 2 years then playing this tournament seems a terrible idea seen as all he will do is call everyone plebs, ridicule everyone and just generally use the whole thing to make people feel bad about themselves.

So if you play just be prepared to be mocked on stream for everyone to see. That is how he did things previously. I doubt he has changed although others can speak to that.

He was great at shoutcasting ToL. Was refreshing to listen to someone who actually knows what’s up. Him and sind together should be great.

I like trains, so where is my hype-train?

cranos.5913:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Not seen anything of this dude in a while but unless Helseth has changed considerably in the last 2 years then playing this tournament seems a terrible idea seen as all he will do is call everyone plebs, ridicule everyone and just generally use the whole thing to make people feel bad about themselves.

So if you play just be prepared to be mocked on stream for everyone to see. That is how he did things previously. I doubt he has changed although others can speak to that.

He was great at shoutcasting ToL. Was refreshing to listen to someone who actually knows what’s up. Him and sind together should be great.

Never seen it. Either way, tournaments are probably good for the community. Having known helseth previously though, it is worrying that it could just put people off playing. Hopefully he isn’t like I remember him in game.

Trigr.6481:

Short Summary Kinda TLDR:
1- A-net needs to support their own game instead of players picking up the pieces.
2- A-net needs to add both ranked team and solo q in the game.
3- A-net needs to add in game organized tournaments for prizes.
4- A-net needs a new game mode that the players actually want.
5- A-net needs to add more build diversity, not meta enforcing power creep to trees.
6- A-net needs needs to avoid heavy handed balance changes from season to season.

I did read it all honest. Just cut down the quote so as to not re-post the large amount of text and numbered your TLDR points to respond to in kind.

1- It would be great if Anet ran smaller, frequent events themselves yes. No one is saying otherwise. It doesn’t mean that there’s any reason for the community not to create these opportunities for ourselves when they aren’t being presented to us by Anet. If people sat around waiting for Nintendo to run Smash events we all know we’d still be waiting…

2- There is no point in adding a Team Queue, it will be dead… Automated tourneys at set times however, have a much better chance of being populated as it focuses the small player base to specific play times to compete. Let’s not pretend we have the player numbers of games like LoL for matchmaking.

3- Yes, adding rewards to these events if they did become a thing would very very likely happen regardless even without community input to ask for it. PvP provides a lot of gold/stuff at the moment, I highly doubt that’ll change back to less rewards and any new system would undoubtedly carry good rewards too.

4- “A new game mode that players actually want.” Like what? I don’t see you or anyone else suggestion any new game modes. I’m pretty sure they’ve tried the classic CTF, KOTH etc etc game types in the past (In house testing). They attempted a new game type SH and look where that ended up. I really don’t think we need any new game types. Especially as it would likely mean spreading an already small player base.

5- The number of viable builds is far higher than I remember it ever being when I was last involved in the scene and I haven’t heard good things about the “tank” meta in the earlier seasons. YOU DON’T have to play meta builds. This is is true of every competitive game. No one is forcing you and unless you’re competing at the top level having an off meta build that you know how to succeed with is fine. I’m not saying anything can be viable, but you certainly don’t need to take the meta builds as the only way of playing the game. Personally I play meta builds and find there to be enough diversity anyway.

6- Honestly I haven’t been around to see every set of patch notes. However I find it hard to believe that they changed their philosophy on balance patching to start doing heavy handed changes. If anything the argument most people make is they are too slow to react to broken and or unpleasant builds. Turret Engi etc. Regardless, far more often than not it is very much possible to play around the “cheese” builds. People should just work on doing that rather than QQ’ing about it on the forums. We don’t need constant posts saying the same things over and over.

In the end, you’ve come off as pretty negative about the idea of the event they are running. Yet spent the time to write a long post about it and bump the thread, so I guess thank you from the community for helping raise awareness of the event?

EDIT: Typos.

Responding to tanglewood, quoting your message was too long

1) You missed the point entirely, I’m saying that all the weight shouldn’t be on the players to create tournaments such as this, although the effort is appreciated. And the reason I say this is because if someone is looking at this game trying to come to a conclusion and see if it’s competitive, and see that only players are organizing tournaments, and no official consistent tournaments that are officially hosted by the game, what does that tell you? To me that says that the game itself doesn’t believe it’s competitive, therefore they don’t think allocating the resources isn’t a good investment, and that a single player organized tournament isn’t going to create any traction, consistency is key. Which I stated, which you overlooked when I used storm as a perfect example. He tried for quite some time to bring changes, which is commendable. However it didn’t make much difference.

2) Again, you miss the point. If automated tournies and ranked team que were added along with solo q, it wouldn’t be dead, and here’s why. It’s purpose would essentially be used as a practice scrim for the weekly tournaments every Sunday, and for players that choose not to partake in the weekly tournaments would just use ranked que for it’s original intended purpose, which would be to practice with their team to improve, and try to get as high as possible on the leaderboards. Your type of mentality was probably created when the game only offered ranked team que, and unranked, having everyone being stomped by full team ques, and then being frustrated into thinking that the current implementation is great. However sadly, you’re wrong. No offense.

3) Although it seems like you agree with the weekly tournaments adding rewards, so great we agree on something. However keeping it the same as the league reward system, shoot me now. I’d rather not play inventory tetris for a extended hour when I get rewards from weekly tournaments.

4) If you took ten seconds to do some digging you’d see that again I’ve made multiple threads regarding this issue. This one is a good example, that actually got dev feedback talking in detail about a new game mode, along with other things.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Insert-Dev-Bait-Here/first

5) Oh boy. Where to begin. I never said anything about being forced to use meta builds, nor did I say anything about the competitive scene regarding balance, you’re just throwing words in my mouth to push your argument forward. I’ll use mesmer as an example compared to the paladin in world of warcraft to compare when it comes to the competitive scene since you used it as an example if you wanna go down this road.

Mesmer – Is not competitive without off hand shield, therefore limits weapon and build diversity. The power creep is blatantly apparent. If you cannot see or acknowledge this, then in the nicest way possible, you’re blind. Not to mention the complete disregard for other weapons that need to be brought up to not being a afterthought, aka off hand sword, off hand focus, pistol, etc.

Paladin – Has a tank spec, holy spec, and ret spec included in their top rankings, look it up. This class has the entire spectrum of builds that’s competitive in comparison. The difference in build diversity is night and day. Saying that you think there’s enough build diversity just goes show that you know very little about it.

6) Find it hard to believe, well you don’t need to do that, because the facts are already there. Read the patch notes, There’s multiple example of heavy handed changes, lets take ice bow for ele as a example. It was overpowered sure because multiple classes used it in conjunction to make it just absurd, how did a-net respond, by nerfing it by 50% on a livestream while dropping the mic thinking that he just saved the world with such a change, and it died as a result. That’s what heavy handed means. It doesn’t mean slow results, it doesn’t mean balancing said thing to make fair, it just means unjustly nerfing something to the ground to fix a problem because they either A – Don’t wanna take the time to figure out the math of making it balanced or B- Damage control or C – They just don’t care.

In the end, as I said in the beginning “I guess you skimmed past that part looking for a excuse to insult me”, I’m cool with someone running a tournament, however I don’t think it’s going to pay off in the way they see, and I stated why already. And if you think me bumping a thread because it has links to a tournament is going to have a significant change then I’m flattered, I never knew I had that much influence. Perhaps I should shoutcast the tournament in my old man voice, I know kitten and zeromis and katsumi would instantly back it, among other people. I’m glad I added another fan.

Thank you for taking the time to respond, however you didn’t make very good points.

Countless

Oh the irony in saying I missed the point lol

1) I never said all the weight should be on the players… I said it would be great if Anet did it…

However yes, I get your follow up point. I agree, the game would look better to an outsider if the company behind the game ran the events themselves. I never said anything contradictory to this.

2) Auto tournies + ranked team queue + ranked solo /duo + unranked ??? That’s way too many different queues. Do you not see how small our community is? Of course it would be dead.

I was thinking daily / every few days for auto tournies too. Not just weekly. Maybe a weekly/Monthly one that the dailies can qualify you for though.

I’m certainly not “frustrated into thinking” the current system is great, not at all. I pretty much always played as a full team when the old system was in.

The current system is good. We just need a parallel system for teams. Auto-Tournies, other events etc

3) Yes rewards would be great but yes I never said I wanted any more of that either! They really should simplify them. Talk about putting words into mouths! lol

4) Honestly, why would I go looking through your post history? but still… I did click the link and wow… haha
“dev feedback talking in detail about a new game mode.” This is no where to be found in there! One dev who I’m pretty sure is no longer a dev said they are doing some skill splits, that is all… NOTHING about new PvP game modes lol. Why lie about the contents of a link you’ve provided?? Honestly pretty funny.

5) I never mentioned mesmers at all? What are you reading? WoW?? Didn’t mention that either.

You did whine about the builds… Read your own TLDR bullet point. Whining about meta builds.

6) Alright fair enough. I haven’t read the patch notes as I said. One example of a change you believe to be “heavy handed” won’t sway my opinion though.

I’m not looking to insult you not at all. I don’t need to, you’re making a fool of yourself. Whether or not it has much impact doesn’t matter, any press if good press as they say. So once again thanks for the bump (: be flattered all you want sunshine.

Aaaand TY for responding, was honestly pretty funny. Here we are arguing when we actually agree on most of it haha. This is a good thing for the community, we both agree on that, let’s just leave it at that.

EDIT: Typos

Tanglewood.7523:

megilandil.7506:

Tanglewood.7523:

Since Helseth and Sindrenerr are organising an event for us, I thought it may be helpful to remind people that these two subreddits that I created long ago still exist. Although only “PvP Teams” still seems to be in use, probably because there are no teams to scrim at the moment!

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2TeamScrims/

Link to Helseth’s reddit posts:
1st post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5o49l3/helseth_lets_talk_about_season_5_and_gw2_pvp_in/?st=iy08zsk3&sh=f0d005a1

2nd post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/5nzmce/first_2017_pvp_tournament_hosted_by_sind_and/?st=iy090kse&sh=6a3cb7d5

Personal ramble:
I think Helseth absolutely hits the nail on the head in the YouTube video linked in his second post, with his hopes and vision for the GW2 competitive scene moving forward.

Solo / Duo and NO Team Queue just has to stay as it is.
What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.

We used to have them, the Academy Gaming events! Personally I competed in many of those and a few ESL events before I stopped playing like many others around the time of the HoT release, but now I’m back and playing regularly and I’m sure I am far from alone in that.

Helseth briefly mentions Smash is his video and I really do see the similarities and value in having a proper competitive scene. As a Smash4 TO, who has grown a large scene from the ground up over the last year and a half. I know first hand how great grassroots events can be and what they add to the competitive scene and once you have these things and if they are well organised and a lot of effort goes into them, it grows and grows and pulls so many new people in.

no, no duo, only solo and a sort of team q, call automated tournamentts call team q call whatever a thing for teams to play improve and have fun in their terms not farming soloers

You’ve literally said “no” and then gone on to suggest the exact same thing I suggested.

ME: “What we do need is community run events and or even automated events!
That is a far far better way of providing the full 5v5 team based competitive game.”

YOU:“team q, call automated tournamentts call team q call whatever a thing for teams to play improve and have fun in their terms not farming soloers”

no, i said no duo in soloq, pure solo

@Tanglewood LOL, your responses have become comedy at this point.

1) I never said that you said that, I’m just making a statement. The fact that you assumed I did makes me worry about how you’re interpreting what I say. Reading is hard.

2) Yes I see how small it is, and providing more options is only going to draw more players. I’d be willing to bet based off your statement that you think new game modes is going to be a negative aspect as well since it will “divide the playerbase”, wake up.

3) Again, I never said you said that, just making a general statement of my opinion. Reading is hard.

4) Well, I would before making blind assumptions like you did "I don’t see you or anyone else suggestion any new game modes. " I personally prefer not to look like someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

5) Again, why are you making the assumption that I’m saying you said this? I was showing you an example that the build diversity in this game is low. How did you not get that?

6) Well if facts and logic won’t sway your opinion, then I’m sorry then there’s really no hope for you, this is where it ends. Was fun though.

Countless

ummm…..

Trigr.6481:

@Tanglewood LOL, your responses have become comedy at this point.

1) I never said that you said that, I’m just making a statement. The fact that you assumed I did makes me worry about how you’re interpreting what I say. Reading is hard.

2) Yes I see how small it is, and providing more options is only going to draw more players. I’d be willing to bet based off your statement that you think new game modes is going to be a negative aspect as well since it will “divide the playerbase”, wake up.

3) Again, I never said you said that, just making a general statement of my opinion. Reading is hard.

4) Well, I would before making blind assumptions like you did "I don’t see you or anyone else suggestion any new game modes. " I personally prefer not to look like someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

5) Again, why are you making the assumption that I’m saying you said this? I was showing you an example that the build diversity in this game is low. How did you not get that?

6) Well if facts and logic won’t sway your opinion, then I’m sorry then there’s really no hope for you, this is where it ends. Was fun though.

Countless

1- “I never said that you said that”" Yes you did lol.
“I’m saying that all the weight shouldn’t be on the players.”
Unless your English isn’t very good, the structure of this sentence implies that you are saying I said the opposite.

2- OF COURSE more game modes would divide the player base lol. We only have ONE game mode that is actually played competitively. There is NO WAY adding another game mode would more than double the player base lol, and you think I need to wake up? Geez… We really don’t need any more queues…

3- Yes.. apparently reading is hard, for you… Writing too it seems. Again it’s the same as point 1), you’re wording it in a manner that implies I said the opposite, why make a bullet point and say BUT I’M SAYING THIS INSTEAD, if it’s not actually instead?? :o ?

4- Oh dear… I don’t care to read all the whining posts you’ve written in the past. I’m talking to you here in this thread about this topic. I proved you were lying about the contents of that thread and you deflected the conversation lol.

5- “the assumption that I’m saying you said this?” It’s not an assumption lol… I can read… and here I read… “since you used it as an example.” But… well as I said, I didn’t use it as an example but you can’t read : / so, oh well haha.

6- I said a single point won’t sway me. Just because you believe it was a “heavy handed” change, doesn’t make it fact that it was a heavy handed change lol. The only fact is that it changed. I wasn’t around playing at the time to really say whether or not I believe it’s heavy handed. Yet I shall repeat myself for clarity as I see you struggle to read simple English… STATING YOUR BELIEF DOES NOT MAKE THAT BELIEF FACT ok? Good.

Honestly, I’m a bit embarrassed to have ruined this thread by arguing with someone that can’t even read and formulate coherent responses in good English. : /

At least the thread is being bumped and for every single person that sees it and then visits Helseth’s reddit threads and hopefully becomes involved is a win for the community, so at least you’re doing your bit to help out! Thanks haha

megilandil.7506:

no, i said no duo in soloq, pure solo

Yes fair enough. I still disagree though.
Yes – Solo only queue would be the most fair non-team only queue possible. However it’s just too boring to play alone all the time unless you have a team of 5 ready to go.
I think we’d all get a bit lonely haha

@Tanglewood

This will be my last response in a last ditch hail mary attempt to make you understand.

Lets look over this sentence in quotations below.

“I’m saying that all the weight shouldn’t be on the players.”

Does this have the word “you” in there? If you answered yes, then you can’t read. My first post in this thread did not quote you, if it did then obviously it would be implied towards you, but instead it was ideas and suggestions for how the game could improve in a competitive setting, and then you quoted what I said saying it was implied towards you. I honestly feel sorry for you.

Countless

Trigr.6481:

@Tanglewood

This will be my last response in a last ditch hail mary attempt to make you understand.

Lets look over this sentence in quotations below.

“I’m saying that all the weight shouldn’t be on the players.”

Does this have the word “you” in there? If you answered yes, then you can’t read. My first post in this thread did not quote you, if it did then obviously it would be implied towards you, but instead it was ideas and suggestions for how the game could improve in a competitive setting, and then you quoted what I said saying it was implied towards you. I honestly feel sorry for you.

Countless

You know you’ve made a fool of yourself when you ignore almost the entire content of the argument and fixate on a single sentence as a “hail mary” response haha.

- My one last shot at proving I’m right, by ignoring 95% of the things Tangle said!!
HAIL MARY

Nice one haha (:

So let’s just pretend that I didn’t point out a number of quotes in which you either contradicted yourself or proved that you weren’t capable of reading and understanding my text.

aaaand the lying about the contents of another thread… I can’t get over how funny that is haha, saying the dev replied specifically about your idea of new games modes when he didn’t! I really don’t get why you lied and provided the link to prove it was a lie? Funny stuff haha

Anyways, as you seem to have given up making a mockery of yourself in your comments on topic, let’s discuss the finer points of the English language! In the hope that maybe one day you’ll understand what I tried to explain to you!

I thought I had explained it in a manner that even a child could understand.
Forgive me if your English just isn’t good enough to understand…

The sentence "I’m saying that all the weight shouldn’t be on the players.”

Is worded to sound like a response disagreeing with the original statement made by another and then stating the contrary opinion.

The sentence “I think that all the weight shouldn’t be on the players.”

Is a statement. Which is not how your sentence is worded in the context.

One is a response to disagree and state a difference of opinion, the latter merely makes a statement.

Whether or not we agree or disagree on your use of the English language really doesn’t matter. But unfortunately you chose to focus on that rather than the rest of the contents of my reply : / and well I can see why that is haha, must be embarrassing to be quoted in order to be proved wrong and a liar haha

What does matter is that we both agree that not all the responsibility of creating a competitive scene should rest solely on the shoulders of the players. However, that’s where it is for the moment so why not support what we have rather than whining about it?

As you were so keen that I looked through you post history…. I skimmed through… wow.. lol… you do nothing but whine and whine on the forums. GO PLAY THE GAME! Or at least try to be positive and support initiatives that set out to improve the game you spend so much time whining about…

Anyways thanks for the bump!

@Tanglewood, this thread of yours is entertaining.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/What-needs-to-change-to-make-an-esport

Not only does it prove that you can’t take criticism, but the best part is the person who’s shutting you down is the person you’re promoting in this thread. Exquisite.

Countless

Trigr.6481:

@Tanglewood, this thread of yours is entertaining.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/What-needs-to-change-to-make-an-esport

Not only does it prove that you can’t take criticism, but the best part is the person who’s shutting you down is the person you’re promoting in this thread. Exquisite.

Countless

I freely admit it yes! I made a single stupid QQ thread complaining about bunker meta, cheese builds and a lack of basic features and argued with Helseth over our opinions at the time. I know you can’t read though but it does say it was 3 YEARS AGO lol. You’ve dug past every single positive post I’ve made in 3 YEARS to find the one single negative post where I was a complete scrub and argued with someone that knows better.

IT WAS 3 YEARS AGO! <— Can you read that? Is that loud and clear enough?
I was a scrub and made ONE QQ thread.

I guess at this point you really have given up talking about the topics we were discussing due to making a fool of yourself…

So if we’re digging up rubbish from each others names, then wow, do you have some funny stuff in your post history and YouTube channel!!! haha.

Aside from all the 12 yr olds screaming on call of duty…

You have a video where you reply to Helseth’s video bit by bit, responding to his comments and you just completely missing the mark over and over again and make some really stupid suggestions haha, I’m not alone in thinking this I know! The like to dislike ratio says it all.

No one cares what you think about his comments! Clearly! You don’t need to keep signing off your posts as if people care who you are! lol

Let’s not detract from this thread here. I want to see a good community push for this. As of now we have two teams that have formed and signed up on battlefy, and only a few reddit posts in the pvp team forming. Let’s make this a good one.

And this, should be a weekend thing for thoose, who want team pvp! Automatic, rewarding, challenging.