Guild Wars 2

It’s just ridiculous, no amount of condition removal or stun-breakers can keep you alive against this constant barrage of conditions, there is very little you can do against this fear chain, chill, burning and every possible condition in this game.
I’m full to the brim of this garbage, every 3 kittening matches out of 4 I face :

A- double ranger, double necro + guardian
B- triple necro+ double ranger
C- triple ranger +double necro

You face a spirit ranger: you try to kill the spirits while he auto-attacks you to death and use fear/kd from the dog, by the time you kill one spirit he goes and summon another, if you don’t kill the elite the ranger will just auto-ress…all the while laying fire fields on the point.

You face a necro : even if you skillfully or luckily survive their 3/4 fear chain followed by multiple stacks of bleeding/burning/ etc etc etc etc…by that time you’ll use all your stun breakers and condition removal all having 3x the CD compared to the necro..and if by a miracle you survive everything and manage to deal some consistent dmg on the necro..puff he goes plague form and then reset the fight killing you

In all this, both professions can bunker/de-cap and win 1vs1..and still offer team support, ranger with auto-ressing spirit and necro that needs no introduction.

Too easy to play and too much reward:

-no casting time
-instant effect aoe skills
-very low CD on skills
-a single attribute needed to have a condition build
-no attribute/boon that protects you against high condition dmg

Every match is an onslaught on that point, ranger-necro , they come spamm the impossible on that point and then leave, you get chilled, feared, burned to death….

Since PAX fight is not happening on their test servers, they will probably only roll out changes after it.

They’ve stated after Pax Prime they are going to revisit these classes, so prob atleast 2-4 months before any significant changes.

KK then let’s all switch to ranger and necro while waiting for the magic patch…guess that’s an alternative from uninstall the game

http://i.imgur.com/mmBKw13.jpg

The rank 4 or 5 dude on leaderboards is a DPSy guardian but with a soldier amu…

Arheundel.6451:

KK then let’s all switch to ranger and necro while waiting for the magic patch…guess that’s an alternative from uninstall the game

http://i.imgur.com/mmBKw13.jpg

lol wow. thats ridiculous

and yea, whats with the sudden surge of spirit rangers?

Eurantien.4632:

The rank 4 or 5 dude on leaderboards is a DPSy guardian but with a soldier amu…

What is that supposed to mean? For one, the leaderboards are kind of worthless atm. For another, you can’t take an anomaly and act as if it is the standard. My friend got on the other day, won his first few games, got grouped with good players after a few wins and kept queuing and getting matched with mostly the same people and ended up with a number 9 position (dropped slightly since, he is currently 22 I believe). Point is, some people get lucky and rise to the top fast and then when they get in good a team, queue more and keep getting the same teams and winning more. I don’t think he is really a better warrior than I am, we have similar scores and tactics when we have played together in the past. Our builds are even pretty similar. I on the other hand, keep getting horrible teams and just gave up on it. Are you going to tell me a single warrior carried his teams to an 80% win rate? If you do I will laugh. This system is flawed and in no way represents class balance as a whole.

Personally, if I lose I keep queuing, which is probably half my problem since you keep ending up with the same crappy players.

Rangers only have a few viable builds so it’s not surprising that they all play one of the decent ones. Honestly spirit rangers shouldn’t be nerfed, we should just get more builds that we can compete with. For some reason I feel like rangers are always neglected when it comes to updates.

bring back BM rangers?

alcopaul.2156:

bring back BM rangers?

If I play a zerker ele with no water traits, I believe rangers can play a build where they actually need to think instead than simply spam skills of CD

Arheundel.6451:

alcopaul.2156:

bring back BM rangers?

If I play a zerker ele with no water traits, I believe rangers can play a build where they actually need to think instead than simply spam skills of CD

Uhm … if you can make a viable build for rangers that actually work, and can survive with zerker-amulet, then I would love to see that. No sarcasm intended. Same for necro.
It IS imho one of the issues: There are currently not these builds, but I could be wrong .. I am just a nub .. with an analytical mind though

Back in the BM-days I didn’t have to go with conditions to burst on ranger … but now I find it to be easily avoided and quite frankly inferior. Sad really.

And yes, I agree, that so many rangers and necro’s is a boring meta, even if one of these are my main.

I have no problems in seeing rangers viable. But THIS isnt viable, this is an apex defender spirit ranger with little to none skill floor and extremely effective. They need to be brought down, as Necromancer’s new deathshroud. Check SoloQ picks the majority is necros and rangers trying to hop in the overpowered bandwagon in order to get to the top.

Arheundel.6451:

KK then let’s all switch to ranger and necro while waiting for the magic patch…guess that’s an alternative from uninstall the game

http://i.imgur.com/mmBKw13.jpg

So…

Double Ele’s , Double Necro 1 Engie is fine

but 3 necro’s Double Spirit Rangers is not?

Arheundel.6451:

alcopaul.2156:

bring back BM rangers?

If I play a zerker ele with no water traits, I believe rangers can play a build where they actually need to think instead than simply spam skills of CD

Like the man up above stated, If you think Zerker Ranger is a hidden gem, why don’t you hop on one and show all those Spirit Rangers how its done.

By the way, for those curious how you kill Spirit Ranger

Kill the Sun Spirit, Then Kill the Ranger Pet (If he swaps, burn that pet), then kill the Ranger

That’s how I kill them with BM Bunker build, which should be much slower then a Glass Cannon Ele.

Just curious, what do you get for focusing the pet? Its not like the spirit ranger is specced for BM so couldnt we just ignore the pet?

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Just curious, what do you get for focusing the pet? Its not like the spirit ranger is specced for BM so couldnt we just ignore the pet?

You focus the big Spirit pet because it rezzes the Ranger when he goes down. I believe its called Spirit of Nature. Some say focus Sun Spirit first. It inflicts burning, but I think there is some bug associated with it. I haven’t figured out what it is. I just kill the Spirit of Nature first. All of the spirits die very quickly, but the buffs they provide mean they need to be removed quickly.

This happens because conditions have no mitigation, no stat that reduces its damage, no boon that reduces its damage, so you spec for a bunker with condition power you will have a lot of defense and offence, this will not be balanced until conditions gets a proper stat and a boon that reduces their effective damage, until then conditions will be the bettet option.

The Spirit of Nature I get it, and the other spirits usually follow by AoE but he said the pet, thats what I didnt quite understood

I would like them to fix the sun spirit blind. Seems to be the only blind in the game that goes through bezerker stance. Have enough trouble with that much dodging and protection, at least give me a chance Q_Q

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Just curious, what do you get for focusing the pet? Its not like the spirit ranger is specced for BM so couldnt we just ignore the pet?

It still does damage, and more importantly pretty much every Spirit Ranger has 30 points in Wilderness for Empathetic Bond…

Remove that, and you basically gut most rangers Condition Removal.

You forgot Engi’s. They also have condi damage and should be nerfed.

Xsorus.2507:

Arheundel.6451:

KK then let’s all switch to ranger and necro while waiting for the magic patch…guess that’s an alternative from uninstall the game

http://i.imgur.com/mmBKw13.jpg

So…

Double Ele’s , Double Necro 1 Engie is fine

but 3 necro’s Double Spirit Rangers is not?

The problem is u get like 50% ranger/necro in every match.

Funny how everyone whines instead of finds solutions.
QQ Rangers bad. QQ necro too good.
Why bring more than 1 ranger to Tpvp?

Then a team does it, and kitten s. now its GG NERF RANGERS LOLOL THEY OP FOR 7 DAYS SO FAR OMGGG ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY.

50% i’m not sure, i was thinking something close to 70%

Malpractice.7850:

Then a team does it, and kitten s. now its GG NERF RANGERS LOLOL THEY OP FOR 7 DAYS SO FAR OMGGG ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY.

Thief try to kill all spirit by spam aoe. Thief dead by double prock storm spirit 5k*2.
Thief kill spirit ranger. Instant self res. In this sense, even the engineers nervously smoking in aside.

Yes, they just monstrously OP.

Marduh.4603:

Malpractice.7850:

Then a team does it, and kitten s. now its GG NERF RANGERS LOLOL THEY OP FOR 7 DAYS SO FAR OMGGG ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY.

Thief try to kill all spirit by spam aoe. Thief dead by double prock storm spirit 5k*2.
Thief kill spirit ranger. Instant self res. In this sense, even the engineers nervously smoking in aside.

Yes, they just monstrously OP.

Use pistol whip.

stunlock and perma stability (from some kind of stance) warriors need to be toned down as well, I see a lot of warriors in my solo que games. warriors necros and rangers a lot of them. Hardly any eles or mesmers.

uberkingkong.8041:

stunlock and perma stability (from some kind of stance) warriors need to be toned down as well, I see a lot of warriors in my solo que games. warriors necros and rangers a lot of them. Hardly any eles or mesmers.

This logic is one I can not understand…
The stunlock stability warrior came about as a direct counter to builds that lacked stability/stunbreakers (spirit ranger, condition necro) and primarily used conditions to deal damage (spirit ranger, condition necro, hgh engineer). It does what it was set out to do, and it does it well. It doesn’t touch classic bunkers, and burst characters have a fair shot at killing it.
The mental processes behind the decision to call all three OP because you see a lot of them flies in the face of reason.

+1 (even if stunlock warrior is the only possibility for a warrior to be playable atm)

Spiritrangers
Necros
Stunlock warriors
S/d thieves
Bunker guards
Engis
Thats all you see in soloq in that order pretty much and if you see something else its either a low rank that got in your game or a poor guy like me trying to hold on to his main

Marduh.4603:

Malpractice.7850:

Then a team does it, and kitten s. now its GG NERF RANGERS LOLOL THEY OP FOR 7 DAYS SO FAR OMGGG ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY.

Thief try to kill all spirit by spam aoe. Thief dead by double prock storm spirit 5k*2.
Thief kill spirit ranger. Instant self res. In this sense, even the engineers nervously smoking in aside.

Yes, they just monstrously OP.

Not a ranger’s fault your to stupid to kill the spirit’s at range in 2-3 hits with your SB then go into melee.

That’s just stupid they must be OP, learn to play.

Bigest problem isn’t the classes listed, the problem is that they alsmot all relieve on a stupid spec “easy” to play or only spam. This game needs a higher skillcap.

The Boz.2038:

uberkingkong.8041:

stunlock and perma stability (from some kind of stance) warriors need to be toned down as well, I see a lot of warriors in my solo que games. warriors necros and rangers a lot of them. Hardly any eles or mesmers.

This logic is one I can not understand…
The stunlock stability warrior came about as a direct counter to builds that lacked stability/stunbreakers (spirit ranger, condition necro) and primarily used conditions to deal damage (spirit ranger, condition necro, hgh engineer). It does what it was set out to do, and it does it well. It doesn’t touch classic bunkers, and burst characters have a fair shot at killing it.
The mental processes behind the decision to call all three OP because you see a lot of them flies in the face of reason.

Let me break it down for you..Stunlocking sint the problem but when warrior has stability and bersekers stance for a good amount of time you cant either blind it nor cc the warrior and he stuns like motherkitten.They also are “tanky” as kitten now and they still do a lot of damage like warrior always have been.I dont care if its op and if its counterable but in soloq where everybody does his own thing most of the time it is frustrating..Thats why you see SO many warriors atm.

Hawatak.8049:

+1 (even if stunlock warrior is the only possibility for a warrior to be playable atm)

Don’t worry, once all these classes get nerfed into the ground we can all go back to burst warrior.

Hawatak.8049:

Bigest problem isn’t the classes listed, the problem is that they alsmot all relieve on a stupid spec “easy” to play or only spam. This game needs a higher skillcap.

Naturally, every build that isn’t your own is always “stupid easy spamfest”.

I created a necro and a warrior to play soloQ because it’s kittening annoying to play with my Ele, so I know what i’m talking about. Should I create a spirit ranger too to say that it’s kittened ?

Just for fun, what’s your main class?

Sol.4310:

Not a ranger’s fault your to stupid to kill the spirit’s at range in 2-3 hits with your SB then go into melee.

That’s just stupid they must be OP, learn to play.

Need minimum 5 cluster bomb by GC to kill spirit.
Even the most stupid ranger come to you and uses spirits.

I just said it, Ele. And I was the first to complain about OP bunker Eles, i’m not the kind of player that want his class to be OP, I only want a balanced game with non-faceroll specs.

Yeah, you kinda have a raw deal here in the current meta. Ele has the option to go 0/0/10/30/30 and laugh in the face of condition builds, but that will only result in stalemates against a necro.
What you should be doing is asking for buffs to your stuff, not nerfs to other classes that are actually balanced and perform a role in the current meta; it’s not their fault people still cling to their precious builds for six months ago.

Hawatak.8049:

I created a necro and a warrior to play soloQ because it’s kittening annoying to play with my Ele, so I know what i’m talking about. Should I create a spirit ranger too to say that it’s kittened ?

Go make spirit ranger, mean’s easy kill’s for everyone. You srsly think by making class that is FOTM and meant to have low skill cap going to be any better.

I main ranger but find mesmer to be allot easy to play. I find most classes have same skill cap once you learn the chain’s and finger memory every single class is easy to play.

Where it change’s is tactic’s and knowing when you use a skill. I love fighting spam spirit ranger’s they easy to kill cause you know they going to miss half there attack’s.

A good spirit ranger will time all his attack’s and good spirit ranger barely uses his auto attack unless he SB spec’ed.

yes just nerf this build too, then people can finally quit ranger.

swiftpaw.6397:

yes just nerf this build too, then people can finally quit ranger.

Ele got no faceroll builds…still people play it…it’s hard as every fight must be fought at 100% to avoid certain death, but it’s still enjoyable somehow.

I’m not gonna argue with people saying that spirit ranger isn’t faceroll. Good night.

Arheundel.6451:

swiftpaw.6397:

yes just nerf this build too, then people can finally quit ranger.

Ele got no faceroll builds…still people play it…it’s hard as every fight must be fought at 100% to avoid certain death, but it’s still enjoyable somehow.

Welcome to what everyone else felt, when Ele’s had faceroll build for good 6-7 months.

Sol.4310:

Arheundel.6451:

swiftpaw.6397:

yes just nerf this build too, then people can finally quit ranger.

Ele got no faceroll builds…still people play it…it’s hard as every fight must be fought at 100% to avoid certain death, but it’s still enjoyable somehow.

Welcome to what everyone else felt, when Ele’s had faceroll build for good 6-7 months.

Well…6-7 months ago people were saying that even staff ele was OP and still…I bet not even you have ever faced a 5 ele team and lost to it, I bet nobody here has ever faced and lost against a triple ele team either if not I invite any of you to post here videos or screenshot of you losing to triple ele team….

When you begin to see 5 rangers teams, you SHOULD think there is a problem with the meta. Just sayin’ …

Hawatak.8049:

When you begin to see 5 rangers teams, you SHOULD think there is a problem with the meta. Just sayin’ …

I’ve seen 5 Thief Teams, 5 Mesmer Teams (go team Mesmer), 5 Necro Teams, 5 Guardian Teams… and they all stomped people… This is not a reflection of “the meta”.

Spirit Rangers are good. But the way you are whining about them is stupid and unjustifiable. I’m hard pressed to think that you are a good player.

Jasher.6580:

Hawatak.8049:

When you begin to see 5 rangers teams, you SHOULD think there is a problem with the meta. Just sayin’ …

I’ve seen 5 Thief Teams, 5 Mesmer Teams (go team Mesmer), 5 Necro Teams, 5 Guardian Teams… and they all stomped people… This is not a reflection of “the meta”.

Spirit Rangers are good. But the way you are whining about them is stupid and unjustifiable. I’m hard pressed to think that you are a good player.

ever see a 5 warrior team stomp a team of necro, engi, ranger,mesmer in soloq?

I honestly cannot believe anyone can even try to say Spirit Ranger isn’t faceroll. It is incredibly high reward with very little skill required. That’s the definition of a faceroll build.

I think the only thing probably stronger and even easier to play is phantasm mesmer for 1v1s but we’re talking tPVP balance here and they aren’t even played there so no one’s talking about it.

(yes, I have played these builds)