Guild Wars 2

mjharrison.3209:

Eles might be fine if you restrict the discussion to a specific build (30 air GC) in the least-played & therefore least-significant part of the game (sPVP). In every other way, Ele is pretty kitten underwhelming:

• conjures still a joke
• glyphs still a joke
• signets still considerably weaker than cantrips
• high arcane, high water still required (noone roams/zergs/GVGs as 30 air GC)
• focus still sucks
• D/D has basically disappeared

Please consider the majority when dropping wtf-bombs like “Ele is OK” as this is sure to further the (noticeably already high) level of resentment of players towards yourselves.

Don`t forget the so called “Elites”.
Also a huge joke.

Pegaasus.3280:

JonathanSharp.7094:

ilr.9675:

So wait… I heard more ranger nerfs… Could you all just please instead remove the whole class from PvP isntead? That’d be a lot faster and save a lot of time (and our sanity in PvE). Thanks

Wait til you see the update! You may be making it out in your mind to be more drastic than it really is.

You nerfed the only good thing left to ranger..his spirits. Shame on you devs shame on Arenanet. Plz delete Ranger class. You killed it again and again..And if you go reading rangers forum..You ll realize we all think the same about your nerfs. Just for info..Why you all hate so much rangers?^

If you’re not able to play ranger after spirit patch as it is you’ve better to delete yours already. No joke..it actually got buffed..if you know hot to play and not just riding fotm..obviously..

Stealth.9324:

@John: Can you please tell me if you have any intention of have a look at Eles state at the moment. I play Eles since day 1 and in my point of view, Eles is in a VERY VERY horrid state right now? So will the next balance patch change the way Eles now? By simply answer Yes or No, I will whether stick with the game for another month or drop the game completely because I run out of patience after 1 year of waiting. Cheers.

Dude. There is more to a game than your class getting buffs. If your strongest childhood rival loses his legs in a car accident, you gonna sit there crying that you didnt win the lottery?

Don’t get your point. Please elaborate more. At the very moment right now, Eles is nothing more than a joke in PvP, ALWAYS requires baby sitting. I am not just asking for my class getting buff,obviously there are more than that but as you see, the Eles get nerfs to oblivion with a very LITTLE buff. We have not received any BUFF at all since the last 3 patches, so I just wondering. You can now stop attacking me. I ask John, not you. Thank you.

mesmer is fine part must be a joke. it has never been fine since launch. not saying some other classes wouldn’t be in need of balancing this and that but some mesmer skills have been over the top since launch, particularly greatsword in general, but some others too. now they are just overshadowed by constant condition spam by pretty much everything including condimesmers probably too. although pretty hard to say what’s balanced atm since oh kitten like everything seems crazy.

Stealth.9324:

Don’t get your point. Please elaborate more. At the very moment right now, Eles is nothing more than a joke in PvP, ALWAYS requires baby sitting. I am not just asking for my class getting buff,obviously there are more than that but as you see, the Eles get nerfs to oblivion with a very LITTLE buff. We have not received any BUFF at all since the last 3 patches, so I just wondering. You can now stop attacking me. I ask John, not you. Thank you.

With all due respect Kaane…may I ask how you don’t comprehend at a core design point of view most favoured spvp build revolving around the scepter with current fresh air trait leads to undodgeable off the global cooldown burst with crits resetting said burst. They are only in a kittenty place at the moment because s/d thieves are quite good at locking them down and generally suspectible to this high condition meta spam.

Zanthrax.6538:

With all due respect Kaane…may I ask how you don’t comprehend at a core design point of view most favoured spvp build revolving around the scepter with current fresh air trait leads to undodgeable off the global cooldown burst with crits resetting said burst. They are only in a kittenty place at the moment because s/d thieves are quite good at locking them down and generally suspectible to this high condition meta spam.

That may be true that s/d thieves lock down s/d eles, but d/x ele is complete garbage b/c its sustain has been nerfed into oblivion and they never had any way to have good damage. I think this is the disconnect between the ele community and devs. Devs seem to think its ok if ele is just a poor-man’s magic thief, but ele’s want to do more than just 1-shot or be 1-shotted, and that is where the qq’ing comes from.

If an ele wanted to play s/d burst, they would have just played a thief and gotten the stealth/mobility that comes along with it.

well i see the next disaster already coming. warriors get their shouts buffed….they are already op in wvw, now they will be godmode. other classes wont see buffs as anet only balances around a 1v1 situation which is soooooo wrong…..
honestly from a 1v1 perspective, once the condi meta is nerfed, mesmers will be strong again(if not s tier), but only in 1v1. we are bottom tier in wvw atm, because of anets spvp only balance system.
honestly, it looks like there is no hope fore a viable wvw mesmer anymore. we are stuck because of spvp.
ill give u all my phantasms,clones and moas, if this is what it takes to move mesmers away from veil/portal/tw. seriously take it all, have it, destroy it and give me something i can use in a wvw zergfight!or give me glamour back! being a utility slot and a 1v1 duelist is not fun in teamplay,gvg or zergfights!

Zanthrax.6538:

Stealth.9324:

Don’t get your point. Please elaborate more. At the very moment right now, Eles is nothing more than a joke in PvP, ALWAYS requires baby sitting. I am not just asking for my class getting buff,obviously there are more than that but as you see, the Eles get nerfs to oblivion with a very LITTLE buff. We have not received any BUFF at all since the last 3 patches, so I just wondering. You can now stop attacking me. I ask John, not you. Thank you.

With all due respect Kaane…may I ask how you don’t comprehend at a core design point of view most favoured spvp build revolving around the scepter with current fresh air trait leads to undodgeable off the global cooldown burst with crits resetting said burst. They are only in a kittenty place at the moment because s/d thieves are quite good at locking them down and generally suspectible to this high condition meta spam.

I have tried that S/D fresh air build. It looks fantastic on paper but in application, it is horrible. There are 3 requirements that a S/D Eles need to see himself in either 2 or more of these to be able to burst one down are:

1/ They are Zerkers AND did not expect the Eles standing behind.
2/ S/D Blend in the fight and strike as a ADDITION damage.
3/ They are at less than 100% of his health and all his Ults are blown.

Here is my thought on this matter:

1/When it comes to Zerkers fight, it is matter the most who will be bursted down first. However, that is not all to it. It also comes down to who can repeat the burst in the shortest amount of time, can disengage when burst fail and needed as well as who will exhaust all their resources first, to sustain themselves when the next burst ready, how reliable their burst is. Unfortunately, Eles get the end of the stick in everything. I assume you already know how exhaust a burst rotation of Eles is as well as how long does it take to re-apply. To be able to instant-down someone Zerkers, an Eles is required to take 2 offensive skills which are Arcane Blast and Arcane Wave (both have relatively CD over 20s) which are also not a stun-breaker as well as Lightning Flash (36s) which can be acted as offensive and defensive skill, and they have to use them ALL in the rotation. While with other burst class (Warrior, Mesmer,Thief) there is no such requirement, they can have 2 defensive skill in which by no mean will hurt their burst potential (Endure Pain, Dolyak signet) and in some cases their Ults can be used for both offensively and defensively (Shadow Refuge,Decoy…)As you can see, the Eles has to go extra miles to be optimal compared to all other class.

How reliable is the Eles’s Burst compared to other class is what i would like to explain next.Like I said in one of my requirement “They have not expected you behind them or they are busy using siege”, by then, you maybe able to land all Eles’s burst on them. A competent player or aware of your presence, know how the burst Eles rotation work, is unlikely the Eles can one-shot them. The burst starts with, Earthquake-Mid LF, Arcan Blast,Arcane Wave,then to Air, Air 2 and channel Air 1. By knowing this, they will dodge as soon as they see you LF or RtL to them, and if you use two Arcane skills during this, they will miss completely. In case, you decide not to use them but bait out the dodge, as long as they can kite you, they will be safe,makes Arcane Wave is useless. In case, you can catch up with them, and successfully use 2 Arcane skill on them, but without the help of LF, you will not be able to 1 shot them. Plus, even with a full rotation burst (LF+AW+AB), your opponent must be wearing Zerkers Amulet AND the have no skill tree that increase their toughness naturally, they will survive your burst without fail.

….(Cont)