Guild Wars 2

Every mesmer is now absolutely going to have to go all the way into dueling just to get any mesmer build every to work. So now all classes are going to have 3 lines they can use freely. Mesmer might have two.

IP is now baseline!

I’m almost too angry to think straight at the moment. Anet is buffing engi and hugely nerfing Mesmer. Clone death builds are being killed entirely.

Deceptive evasion as a GM trait. This makes no sense at all.

It’s anything but confirmed.

For all we know between the changes now and later, Mesmers subclass could be the commando, nerf airstrikes gg

Not to mention they could also reduce cooldown on clone summon skills on weapons or introduce traits like summoning a clone after you use Distortion.

You all really need to pay attention to the stream vs just posting and complaining. EVERYONE needs to pick 3 specializations and go all the way in. Gone are the days of the 1-1-2-4-6 build or whatever random thing you created.

Huge Mesmer Nerf Confirmed…..meh..

Not really a nerf.. they just dint really change much. A few trait merges, a couple of new traits. tweaked some numbers up. But in over all.. nothing impressive.. kinda disappointing.

Mainly, the same problems we have with mesmers still remains. Clones & illusion will pop like balloons & we will still be food for the thieves & other classes.

go 11100(domination/dueling/chaos)

Well my mesmer friends, we can cry on each others shoulders, its not like they were like hey lets give those necros some love…

It was more like , condis to strong move that around, oh hey leave the rest maybe they want a bit more healing…. There thats good, they are in a good place

Your complaint makes no sense. Pre-patch mesmers took Illusion for deceptive evasion. And according to you, post-patch mesmers will all take Illusion for deceptive evasion. There’s no difference. You don’t have trait points anymore, so now it’s just about choosing which 3 trees you want to use.

The biggest mesmer nerf is the huge thief buffs relative to the garbage mesmers, rangers, and necromancers got.

Warriors and guardians also came out winners in this revamp.

style.6173:

You all really need to pay attention to the stream vs just posting and complaining. EVERYONE needs to pick 3 specializations and go all the way in. Gone are the days of the 1-1-2-4-6 build or whatever random thing you created.

This is what I’m thinking. People keep saying this “DE GM, omg” stuff and its like… I just don’t get it… Most builds only went to 4 anyways, so just… you know… take DE as the GM, no harm done, and take something else for free in the 4 spot from before. If anything this is a minor buff than a nerf… 6/6/0/0/6 > 4/4/0/0/6.

style.6173:

You all really need to pay attention to the stream vs just posting and complaining. EVERYONE needs to pick 3 specializations and go all the way in. Gone are the days of the 1-1-2-4-6 build or whatever random thing you created.

i absolutely despise that idea
it really takes away A LOT of build variety
there is nothing wrong with not spec fulling into a certain tree
there are just some traits that are more appealing than the others

Hi im a necro lets cry together

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If these changes were implemented tomorrow I’d be scared of mesmers Instantly 1 shotting anything with Domination, Dueling, and Illusions builds.

Vulnerability Stacks, Quickness, Mind Wrack 50% more damage vs CC’ed foes alone is scary.

jportell.2197:

Every mesmer is now absolutely going to have to go all the way into dueling just to get any mesmer build every to work. So now all classes are going to have 3 lines they can use freely. Mesmer might have two.

IP is now baseline!

We’re getting IP for free and you’re complaining about DE? what…..

darres.8203:

style.6173:

You all really need to pay attention to the stream vs just posting and complaining. EVERYONE needs to pick 3 specializations and go all the way in. Gone are the days of the 1-1-2-4-6 build or whatever random thing you created.

i absolutely despise that idea
it really takes away A LOT of build variety
there is nothing wrong with not spec fulling into a certain tree
there are just some traits that are more appealing than the others

Wat?

Build diversity will be more prominent post-patch than it is currently. I seriously doubt metabattle will just have one end all be all build per class considering there are more choices with traits with this coming patch.

Haven’t really read in detail about mesmer. But I know warrior could have a few quality killshot builds itself.

Jedge.3619:

jportell.2197:

Every mesmer is now absolutely going to have to go all the way into dueling just to get any mesmer build every to work. So now all classes are going to have 3 lines they can use freely. Mesmer might have two.

IP is now baseline!

We’re getting IP for free and you’re complaining about DE? what…..

I added that after. However, we still absolutely require DE to get anything to work. So mantra builds? Nope can’t have those anymore.

jportell.2197:

Jedge.3619:

jportell.2197:

Every mesmer is now absolutely going to have to go all the way into dueling just to get any mesmer build every to work. So now all classes are going to have 3 lines they can use freely. Mesmer might have two.

IP is now baseline!

We’re getting IP for free and you’re complaining about DE? what…..

I added that after. However, we still absolutely require DE to get anything to work. So mantra builds? Nope can’t have those anymore.

I think DE is still a crutch, but out of all the different possibilities we get new and improved condi, shatter, and interrupt builds. Zerg builds will also be interesting. Mantra’s will be an interesting choice between either that or DE

jportell.2197:

Every mesmer is now absolutely going to have to go all the way into dueling just to get any mesmer build every to work. So now all classes are going to have 3 lines they can use freely. Mesmer might have two.

IP is now baseline!

So what?

Warriors have to trait in Cleansing Ire so that their builds can be viable.

Erm Mesmer got buffed.. A LOT, tbh everyone did (did I hear war LBow getting burning on auto attack correctly? O_o). DE being a GM trait only matters if you wanted to take a different GM from Dueling, you MUST spec into 3 lines so you’d be forced to spec into Dueling all the way if DE was GM or Adept.

I think we’ll all need a base hp increase of 10k to survive this giant round of buffs. Some people say power creep, Anet do power parades.

I could not be more excited about the mesmer buffs, especially to interrupt builds! They killed clone death builds seemingly but now IMO interrupt looks very strong like shatter and possibly condi too? ( I don’t play it so dunno)

IP is baseline! Seriously yassss. And all mesmers will be forced to get DE? I don’t even use it right now as interrupt, I find it kills my sustain damage (phantasms) and I have plenty of clones to shatter for boon removal as it is. OP is wayyyy overreacting

Madisonlee.9641:

I could not be more excited about the mesmer buffs, especially to interrupt builds! They killed clone death builds seemingly but now IMO interrupt looks very strong like shatter and possibly condi too? ( I don’t play it so dunno)

IP is baseline! Seriously yassss. And all mesmers will be forced to get DE? I don’t even use it right now as interrupt, I find it kills my sustain damage (phantasms) and I have plenty of clones to shatter for boon removal as it is. OP is wayyyy overreacting

If you aren’t using DE you’re doing it wrong, the OP is correct in that we need to take Dueling BUT we had to do that anyway and now get access to more powerful traits across the board (up to 3 of our currently selected traits are now baseline lol).

Coulter.2315:

If you aren’t using DE you’re doing it wrong, the OP is correct in that we need to take Dueling BUT we had to do that anyway and now get access to more powerful traits across the board (up to 3 of our currently selected traits are now baseline lol).

If you are shatter and don’t take DE you’re doing it wrong, other specs can currently perform fine without it. The problem is that now, shatter is the only viable high tier meta spec we have had for ages and even it is being pushed out of meta atm.

Let’s hope that with all the other buffs, DE won’t be “necessary” to non-shatter builds (IP helps immensely with this) and that non shatter builds can actually be included in high tier play

Pls think about your necro brothers first, we get nerfed every patch ; (

What? I’m over the moon about the Mesmer changes. Basically the entire illusion traitline has been added as a base mechanic and the traits reworked into much better versions. We’ve been given much more reliable ways to deal with thieves (Aoe, non targeted blinds will be kittening amazing), and were now open to use our profession mechanic to create a new plethora of potentially viable builds. Honestly all it did was buff high risk specs and replace the dull playstyle that some of the more passive builds with options to perform higher with a better skill cap. With the new traitline I’m expecting serious lockdown/rupt love too, something they’ve given in the already released traits for a start. My only worry is with the buffing of conditions on of our most obvious weakness will stand out moreso. Overall i’m failing to see how any mes main could be negative of the proposed changes.

ähm as far as we can see…shatter mesmer got a really nice buff (only viable pvp spec), so what do you mean?

I would take DE over both IP and IE. However it isn’t about swapping them, it’s about locking the majority of builds to Dueling. That isn’t diversifying builds, if one specialisation is pretty much obligatory for 99% of mesmers, because of DE.

Vague Memory.2817:

I would take DE over both IP and IE. However it isn’t about swapping them, it’s about locking the majority of builds to Dueling. That isn’t diversifying builds, if one specialisation is pretty much obligatory for 99% of mesmers, because of DE.

Cleansing Ire, Terror for condi necro( also made gm), arcane attunements (also made gm), etc. there’s lot of incredibly necessary (in some cases mandatory) traits that basically lock a specialization in various aspects of the game. But at least you’re not really giving anything up too dire and still get it since everything gets to go to GM now rather than 6/4/4

J I think you’re overreacting a bit.

With the new change any Mesmer that went dueling before will now have access to the full trait tree, de being grandmaster makes room for the majors not to be overshadowed.

With things the way they are, we’re essentially getting 6/6/0/0/6 builds now, which means both shatter and lockdown got significantly buffed.. You don’t even have to go into illusions for IP anymore and have you seen the new shatter traits?

Just killed my shatter/lockdown build by having DE and Harmonius Mantras at GM level… pretty disappointed… anyways sounds like a lot of OP builds are gonna emerge!

jportell.2197:

Every mesmer is now absolutely going to have to go all the way into dueling just to get any mesmer build every to work. So now all classes are going to have 3 lines they can use freely. Mesmer might have two.

IP is now baseline!

but mesmer…has…clones…

right?

just don’t understand why ppl complain,we didn’t get this we didn’t get that this is just rework of core stuff and you can chose 3 lines and go all way in so you getting more then you have now ……maybe slight change to meta builds,new stuff coming with HOT!!!

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m almost too angry to think straight at the moment. Anet is buffing engi and hugely nerfing Mesmer. Clone death builds are being killed entirely.

Deceptive evasion as a GM trait. This makes no sense at all.

to be fair, clone death builds are as cancerous as turret engi and deserve to be killed just like turret engi is getting killed. theres nothing skillful about stealthing 3x and dodging 5x while you hope your opponent tries to melee cleave you.

Wait.. you mean to say that currently Mesmers didn’t use Deceptive Evasion? Oh god… why not?
Oh wait.. they did…
So what will change? Nothing. They’ll still go into Dueling to grab Deceptive Evasion. Same thing… except you’ll be getting a ton of buffs elsewhere.

Soul Reaping and Arcana is also considered pretty mandatory for Necros and Eles, just how Deceptive Evasion is for Mesmers.

CI+Power lock in the same build is a major buff.