Guild Wars 2

Targuil.3741:

Did we master Deathshroud yet?

Give us two more years.
At least we know that even if players don’t, Devs do fear us. That’s something!

JonPeters.5630:

Keep in mind that some professions are harder to master than others. I believe Necro is the hardest, opinions may vary, but just keep this in mind. No we arent ignoring Necro, but once people start mastering DS, I’m afraid of how strong Necro will be. Give it some time for the average player to learn these things. For example early on in LOL master yi was dominant until people learned how to counter him.

MASTERING DEATHSHROUD!!!! are you kidding me? its a damage sponge that vanishes all too fast against multiple people and is hard to get back up because it requires opponent stupidity(hitting you during a spectral) or them to not dodge the fiew weapon skills that build it… Even if you have a full tank of ds they just need to immob you and cc you till its gone natural decay and all. if you cant master f1 then press 5 4 11111111111 then i dont know what to think… oh and consume condition is like a beacon shouting interrupt me im out of deathshroud and need to heal i will give you plenty of time to do so..

LOOOL plzzz teach me how to master necro Jon Peters plzzzz?!?! Y u do dis Jon peters y u ignore necro for 2 years plzz teach us how to master plzzz!?!

Necromancers necroing a thread about Necromancers

It cannot be more meta than this

JonPeters.5630:
Keep in mind that some professions are harder to master than others. I believe Necro is the hardest, opinions may vary, but just keep this in mind. No we arent ignoring Necro, but once people start mastering DS, I’m afraid of how strong Necro will be. Give it some time for the average player to learn these things. For example early on in LOL master yi was dominant until people learned how to counter him.

As I have stated already before, ele and necro are victims of the “what if” balance approach..nothing can be done about..cheers mate

Jelzouki.4128:

LOOOL plzzz teach me how to master necro Jon Peters plzzzz?!?! Y u do dis Jon peters y u ignore necro for 2 years plzz teach us how to master plzzz!?!

Maybe you should ask abjured how they are the best team NA with a necro in it.

Im pretty sure now it’s safe to say that it’s L2P issue. You are far from mastering DS, if you did you would be in Abjured and winning every single tournament.

choucs.4507:

Jelzouki.4128:

LOOOL plzzz teach me how to master necro Jon Peters plzzzz?!?! Y u do dis Jon peters y u ignore necro for 2 years plzz teach us how to master plzzz!?!

Maybe you should ask abjured how they are the best team NA with a necro in it.

Im pretty sure now it’s safe to say that it’s L2P issue. You are far from mastering DS, if you did you would be in Abjured and winning every single tournament.

This.

Necro is very strong and it is in a good place right now.

Sigh. Why are people this rustled about years-old posts?

If anything, this is why there is less communication on the forums than people want. Whenever someone from ANet tries to share their opinion or discuss a topic, people reference it years later and continue to mock it.

Get over it.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Sigh. Why are people this rustled about years-old posts?

If anything, this is why there is less communication on the forums than people want. Whenever someone from ANet tries to share their opinion or discuss a topic, people reference it years later and continue to mock it.

Get over it.

Could be that he referenced the future. I mean… He did say in time Necro might be (basically) OP because of their DS mastery… So referencing it in the future seems logical, as they have done nothing but nerfed DS since then.

Lol at the people telling me necro is in a good place right now. If you think necro is in a good place because someone from abjured who gets BABYSAT by his teammates successfully wins NA tourneys that his hysterical! Necromancer is the only class that has to facetank damage without any blocks/invulns to survive focus fire. The EU teams are way better than NA, you should never ever reference any team from NA!

Noscoc will die to focus fire just like every other necro player, he is not the only god mode necro on NA. There is a difference between a class surviving on its own, and a class that cannot survive on its own! PLLLEASEEE play necromancer before you spit out your own tiny winy facts! Rip!

Jelzouki.4128:

Lol at the people telling me necro is in a good place right now. If you think necro is in a good place because someone from abjured who gets BABYSAT by his teammates successfully wins NA tourneys that his hysterical! Necromancer is the only class that has to facetank damage without any blocks/invulns to survive focus fire. The EU teams are way better than NA, you should never ever reference any team from NA!

Noscoc will die to focus fire just like every other necro player, he is not the only god mode necro on NA. There is a difference between a class surviving on its own, and a class that cannot survive on its own! PLLLEASEEE play necromancer before you spit out your own tiny winy facts! Rip!

Is it babysitting, or is it cooperation/teamplay? Where do you draw the line between the two? If you can’t specify the exact circumstances, you don’t have an argument.

And are we really saying now that class representation in an entire region doesn’t count, because the other region is better? It isn’t even just top-tier PvP, we’re only looking at top-tier PvP in EU?

Good luck ever being happy with balance, since you’re looking at an aspect of the game 99.9% of people aren’t participating in.

Jelzouki.4128:

Lol at the people telling me necro is in a good place right now. If you think necro is in a good place because someone from abjured who gets BABYSAT by his teammates successfully wins NA tourneys that his hysterical! Necromancer is the only class that has to facetank damage without any blocks/invulns to survive focus fire. The EU teams are way better than NA, you should never ever reference any team from NA!

Noscoc will die to focus fire just like every other necro player, he is not the only god mode necro on NA. There is a difference between a class surviving on its own, and a class that cannot survive on its own! PLLLEASEEE play necromancer before you spit out your own tiny winy facts! Rip!

Babysitting LOL, it’s a team game, because they would totally run some thing that does not improve their team performance when there’s money involved. lol no, they are running that because they think it’s the best option for their style.
also every class die when focused, like seriously man, do you even play anything other then hotjoin?
BTW abjured is better then 99% of the teams in EU

choucs.4507:

Jelzouki.4128:

Lol at the people telling me necro is in a good place right now. If you think necro is in a good place because someone from abjured who gets BABYSAT by his teammates successfully wins NA tourneys that his hysterical! Necromancer is the only class that has to facetank damage without any blocks/invulns to survive focus fire. The EU teams are way better than NA, you should never ever reference any team from NA!

Noscoc will die to focus fire just like every other necro player, he is not the only god mode necro on NA. There is a difference between a class surviving on its own, and a class that cannot survive on its own! PLLLEASEEE play necromancer before you spit out your own tiny winy facts! Rip!

Babysitting LOL, it’s a team game, because they would totally run some thing that does not improve their team performance. lol no, they are running that because they think it’s the best option for their style.
also every class die when focused, i don’t even, man.
BTW abjured is better then 99% of the teams in EU

So 1%? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Jelzouki.4128:

choucs.4507:

Jelzouki.4128:

Lol at the people telling me necro is in a good place right now. If you think necro is in a good place because someone from abjured who gets BABYSAT by his teammates successfully wins NA tourneys that his hysterical! Necromancer is the only class that has to facetank damage without any blocks/invulns to survive focus fire. The EU teams are way better than NA, you should never ever reference any team from NA!

Noscoc will die to focus fire just like every other necro player, he is not the only god mode necro on NA. There is a difference between a class surviving on its own, and a class that cannot survive on its own! PLLLEASEEE play necromancer before you spit out your own tiny winy facts! Rip!

Babysitting LOL, it’s a team game, because they would totally run some thing that does not improve their team performance. lol no, they are running that because they think it’s the best option for their style.
also every class die when focused, i don’t even, man.
BTW abjured is better then 99% of the teams in EU

So 1%? looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

And? what’s your point? just because 1% of the EU teams is better then abjured, doesnt mean abjured should be ignored.
then i guess the 99% of the EU population should be ignored as well because abjured is better.
cuz logic.

just accept your noobiness and stop trying to insult devs and try to have your class buffed to cover your sorry ars

if you are as good as noscoc you would already be in a team and be competing in top levels.

choucs.4507:

just accept your noobiness and stop trying to insult devs and try to have your class buffed to cover your sorry ars

if you are as good as noscoc you would already be in a team and be competing in top levels.

If this game actually incentified to “get as good as Noscoc” then people would’ve by now…

Implying that Nos is the only good Necro is a bit void though… Not like I am a good Necro (not even maining one), but there are some out there who are just as good, if not better due to not being limited by playing Necromancer only

choucs.4507:

just accept your noobiness and stop trying to insult devs and try to have your class buffed to cover your sorry ars

if you are as good as noscoc you would already be in a team and be competing in top levels.

Even Nos got wiped out constantly and is speculated to be one of the biggest “weights” for the team… So… There’s that.

The thing about Necro is it can be used simply because it has enough damage, but its defenses and mobility are where it’s held back, hence babysitting. To be fair, for the numerous DPS buffs we’ve gotten, we didn’t really ask for them. We’ve pretty much always wanted help with 1vX defenses and fixing design flaws, but instead they do silly stuff that buffs our damage which ends up in a net nerf down the road. (See: Dhuumfire)

It helps to know what you’re talking about. Most of the Necros on the forums that see the issues are veteran Necros.

I see players sometimes asking to buff necros, but when it comes to balancing necro, devs have to be careful because necros are one of the superb class in wvw. They shine in big scale fights like zerg vs zerg. It’s no coincidence that people came up with the comp GWEN. While necro may not be the best in conquest mode, but mesmers and rangers aren’t the best either. You cant hope and stick to one profession and be good in all game mode: conquest, roaming, dueling, zerg fights. You never bring a thief in zerg fights hoping to contribute as much as GWEN do. Every professions generally lack in something to some extent. Basically, if they buff necros, they’d be super in wvw. Something else have to tone down.

knkasa.2608:

I see players sometimes asking to buff necros, but when it comes to balancing necro, devs have to be careful because necros are one of the superb class in wvw. They shine in big scale fights like zerg vs zerg. It’s no coincidence that people came up with the comp GWEN. While necro may not be the best in conquest mode, but mesmers and rangers aren’t the best either. You cant hope and stick to one profession and be good in all game mode: conquest, roaming, dueling, zerg fights. You never bring a thief in zerg fights hoping to contribute as much as GWEN do. Every professions generally lack in something to some extent. Basically, if they buff necros, they’d be super in wvw. Something else have to tone down.

See, this is what I find so weird…

First off, “Buffs” are vague – it could be a buff to the damage output, or a buff in party utility – either way it is a buff, of which one I do not approve… However, if they for instance made say Blood is Power into a party buff, in WvWvW GWEN’s meta is is barely going to do anything, whereas in PvP and PvE it suddenly changes into a party utillity everyone can profit from…
Besides, I think a better word is Improvements as I barely see anyone stating that the damage output of the Necromancer needs to be buffed in any kind of play…

This said, and sorry for saying – but the devs made a huge mistake when trying to maintain the same balance for every three of the gamemodes… Necromancer is far behind in PvE in any terms of usefulness and has been just for the sake of trying to make the system less confusing…

This rhetoric is so tiresome. So because Necros excel in a Zerg vs Zerg format, which is literally a niche role in one of three game modes, we have to be held back? That’s like saying “Well Theifs are excellent roamers, so let’s limit their ability to do anything else in the game because they could potentially be even better at roaming if we do.”

The frustrating part is this is the logic I keep seeing with Necromancer. Because Necromancers are part of the GWEN meta, they are considered in a good spot, even when it is shown time and time again that it simply isn’t the case?

EDIT: For what it’s worth though, I also hate the fact that this actually got dredged up again. The whole ‘master deathshroud’ got tired and old two years ago, and it still stinks worse than your average dead horse.

Is it any wonder Devs hate talking about Necromancers? Everything they say goes on record for the community to spit back at their faces for literally years now? Good job. I won’t be surprised if PoI basically just say “This is the elite spec. This is its name. This is what the skills are. Bye.”

10/10

Quality Necro’d

Mmm I wonder if we will have to L2P for the upcoming elite specialisation too…

A thread I posted in two years ago…. still so relevant.

Last night I tried a shoutbow war….. easy mode.

I have not played in two years and was owning people with the war. Even killed some Char war with an Anet tag on, I had to talk smack the whole time I was killing him. It was so easy I could stop hitting buttons to do some typing mid fight. Try that on a necro and watch how fast you lose.

Irishbrewed.6537:

1v3? I would say maybe you’re are just ubber awesomesauce with said class. I play a warrior and never 1v3 anyone, and I’m no scrub!

warrior except on shout bow is 100% entirely useless and needs no nerf but needs more buff (on zerker) more than any other class out there. 100B is downright useless, rush still misses alot even on stationary targets….or just runs the entire opposite direction hitting nothing but an imaginary target, blade trail is so slow you can just sidestep it, eviscerate deals same or lower damage than rapid fire or hell even maul wich can hit up to 5 targets as well, healing signet is also just barely enough with all the conditions or just raw damage out there…..warrior is broken (except shoutbow) and is in dire need of some very very big improvements….I don’t always want to be forced to play full meta build nor do I want to roll full support spec, shoutbow is utility skills runes traits amulet weapons all set for support…cool, but not what I had in mind when or anyone for that matter decided to roll a warrior and grinded whatever awesome GS he or she has. Stop the hate, the warrior is far from OP and close to being downright useless (except shoutbow). No need for nerfs here…but buffs quite a few tbh too. Ps. Necro’s can easily destroy any non shoutbow warrior spec…in fact it’s one of the easiest targets for necro’s to deal with…I suggest you practice abit more (this last sentence is directed at crying necro players for I agree with the statement this person made )

unlucky.9285:

JonPeters.5630:

Keep in mind that some professions are harder to master than others. I believe Necro is the hardest, opinions may vary, but just keep this in mind. No we arent ignoring Necro, but once people start mastering DS, I’m afraid of how strong Necro will be. Give it some time for the average player to learn these things. For example early on in LOL master yi was dominant until people learned how to counter him.

MASTERING DEATHSHROUD!!!! are you kidding me? its a damage sponge that vanishes all too fast against multiple people and is hard to get back up because it requires opponent stupidity(hitting you during a spectral) or them to not dodge the fiew weapon skills that build it… Even if you have a full tank of ds they just need to immob you and cc you till its gone natural decay and all. if you cant master f1 then press 5 4 11111111111 then i dont know what to think… oh and consume condition is like a beacon shouting interrupt me im out of deathshroud and need to heal i will give you plenty of time to do so..

you are supposed to vanish vs multiple people….you want ds to get buffed into being able to tank multiple players….you must be new to pvp, for ds is pretty much a free win vs all classes in 1v1

ronpierce.2760:

choucs.4507:

just accept your noobiness and stop trying to insult devs and try to have your class buffed to cover your sorry ars

if you are as good as noscoc you would already be in a team and be competing in top levels.

Even Nos got wiped out constantly and is speculated to be one of the biggest “weights” for the team… So… There’s that.

The thing about Necro is it can be used simply because it has enough damage, but its defenses and mobility are where it’s held back, hence babysitting. To be fair, for the numerous DPS buffs we’ve gotten, we didn’t really ask for them. We’ve pretty much always wanted help with 1vX defenses and fixing design flaws, but instead they do silly stuff that buffs our damage which ends up in a net nerf down the road. (See: Dhuumfire)

It helps to know what you’re talking about. Most of the Necros on the forums that see the issues are veteran Necros.

necros isnt’t exactly the class that would allow for fast mobiltiy…lorewise or in anyway tbh….its a dark sorceror known for it’s evil dark depressing magic and no known for being swift fast agile runner/ninja or fighter…buffing the necro mobilty would automatically result into other classes to get buffed in mobilty even more or it would be a nerf to other classes’s mobilty, the necro is a very strong class atm and can 1v1 any class easily….just go watch some 1v1 channels…a team buff might be in place…damage or mobilty….nope. classes need their pro’s and con’s

Ps. for all I care they nerf shoutbow into the ground or remove the entire spec from the game…it’s passive non exciting gameplay..it’s not what a warrior should be doing…(guardian, engie or water ele should have this role not to mention the monk) sword/warhorn are just yawn yawn and some more yawn….on the warrior that is. also…my main is warrior and I still wouldnt mind the shoutbow to be removed

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not an active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak??

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”. Anet plz make a PvP 101 about necro so we can L2P!!

@Darksteel The devs love shoutbow let’s see if they can manage to bring back the other specs in the competition.

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not a active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak.

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”.

warrior starts with no adrenaline either….talk more bs please….we have a 1v1 channel (our server)…and necro is top performer with mesmer… time to stop asking for buffs and l2p, we do uphold a non cele amu rule tho…but warrior is the lowest performing of all classes….ALL! ps. the channel is open to anyone and quite active…as in almost 24/7 duels…

Darksteel.8412:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not a active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak.

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”.

warrior starts with no adrenaline either….talk more bs please….we have a 1v1 channel…and necro is top performer with mesmer… time to stop asking for buffs and l2p, we do uphold a non cele amu rule tho…but warrior is the lowest performing of all classes….ALL

War adrenaline is a good system it builds fast you are properly rewarded for building and using it. Necro top performer plz, only issue with warrior is the same they made with necro they believed high HP=sustain(lol) and classes having it didn’t need active defense or fast cast times(lol) that’s why they buffed healing signet and give us CI..but those were just bandages that’s why zerk and condition war are significantly weaker to shoutbow but they love it it’s a fancy bandage(lol).

Same reason they are pushing all necro specs into Soul Reaping/high DS uptime(until you get focused lol) and keep siphon,Parasitic Contagion etc at trash level. Same reason I believe elite necro specialisation will be necro/war with shouts(lol) and defiance bar. They can prove me wrong but I guess we shall all see.

Edit: (lol)

Darksteel.8412:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not a active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak.

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”.

warrior starts with no adrenaline either….talk more bs please….we have a 1v1 channel…and necro is top performer with mesmer… time to stop asking for buffs and l2p, we do uphold a non cele amu rule tho…but warrior is the lowest performing of all classes….ALL! ps. the channel is open to anyone and quite active…as in almost 24/7 duels…

Warriors can generate 5 adrenaline by swapping weapons, generate 30 adrenaline in a few seconds with zerker stance, and get adrenaline on every hit. The mechanics are entirely different as adrenaline can be built up orders of magnitude faster than LF. Also, you keep talking about 1vs1, but being a great 1vs1 class, which is arguable, doesn’t mean much when you get eaten alive in teamfights, and can’t rotate to actually get 1vs1s. You also said it goes against lore that necros have mobility, I want you to go and reference where in lore it says necros are supposed to be slow with low mobility. I couldn’t find it anywhere, so maybe you will have better luck. Also, when you say that a class that is on pretty much every single pvp team, that is meta in pve, and a good roamer is the lowest performing I can’t help but laugh a little bit. You can say it’s only cause of shoutbow all you want, but the fact of the matter is their are more high tier warriors than necros by a mile.

zapv.8051:

Darksteel.8412:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not a active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak.

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”.

warrior starts with no adrenaline either….talk more bs please….we have a 1v1 channel…and necro is top performer with mesmer… time to stop asking for buffs and l2p, we do uphold a non cele amu rule tho…but warrior is the lowest performing of all classes….ALL! ps. the channel is open to anyone and quite active…as in almost 24/7 duels…

Warriors can generate 5 adrenaline by swapping weapons, generate 30 adrenaline in a few seconds with zerker stance, and get adrenaline on every hit. The mechanics are entirely different as adrenaline can be built up orders of magnitude faster than LF. Also, you keep talking about 1vs1, but being a great 1vs1 class, which is arguable, doesn’t mean much when you get eaten alive in teamfights, and can’t rotate to actually get 1vs1s. You also said it goes against lore that necros have mobility, I want you to go and reference where in lore it says necros are supposed to be slow with low mobility. I couldn’t find it anywhere, so maybe you will have better luck. Also, when you say that a class that is on pretty much every single pvp team, that is meta in pve, and a good roamer is the lowest performing I can’t help but laugh a little bit. You can say it’s only cause of shoutbow all you want, but the fact of the matter is their are more high tier warriors than necros by a mile.

talk more bs please…yes wars can swap and gain adrenaline…while in combat…much like….necros can build lf while in combat…..talk some more bs…you show me youre new to pvp or gw2 in general. berserker stance on cd…you shuld have free game as a necro vs a warrior….again go watch some real 1v1’s…necros are not UP and compete to the fullest, they lack mobilty…as they should…they need a team suporting buff yes that’s true….other than that necros are in perfect spot

Darksteel.8412:

zapv.8051:

Darksteel.8412:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not a active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak.

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”.

warrior starts with no adrenaline either….talk more bs please….we have a 1v1 channel…and necro is top performer with mesmer… time to stop asking for buffs and l2p, we do uphold a non cele amu rule tho…but warrior is the lowest performing of all classes….ALL! ps. the channel is open to anyone and quite active…as in almost 24/7 duels…

Warriors can generate 5 adrenaline by swapping weapons, generate 30 adrenaline in a few seconds with zerker stance, and get adrenaline on every hit. The mechanics are entirely different as adrenaline can be built up orders of magnitude faster than LF. Also, you keep talking about 1vs1, but being a great 1vs1 class, which is arguable, doesn’t mean much when you get eaten alive in teamfights, and can’t rotate to actually get 1vs1s. You also said it goes against lore that necros have mobility, I want you to go and reference where in lore it says necros are supposed to be slow with low mobility. I couldn’t find it anywhere, so maybe you will have better luck. Also, when you say that a class that is on pretty much every single pvp team, that is meta in pve, and a good roamer is the lowest performing I can’t help but laugh a little bit. You can say it’s only cause of shoutbow all you want, but the fact of the matter is their are more high tier warriors than necros by a mile.

talk more bs please…yes wars can swap and gain adrenaline…while in combat…much like….necros can build lf while in comnat…..talk some more bs…you show me youre new to pvp or gw2 in general

(lol) read my response adrenaline cannot be affected by other players attack or defense for example like when chill used to affect initiative it was an horror but DS can in every way(lol). We’re waiting on you Jon.

Sagat.3285:

Darksteel.8412:

zapv.8051:

Darksteel.8412:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not a active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak.

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”.

warrior starts with no adrenaline either….talk more bs please….we have a 1v1 channel…and necro is top performer with mesmer… time to stop asking for buffs and l2p, we do uphold a non cele amu rule tho…but warrior is the lowest performing of all classes….ALL! ps. the channel is open to anyone and quite active…as in almost 24/7 duels…

Warriors can generate 5 adrenaline by swapping weapons, generate 30 adrenaline in a few seconds with zerker stance, and get adrenaline on every hit. The mechanics are entirely different as adrenaline can be built up orders of magnitude faster than LF. Also, you keep talking about 1vs1, but being a great 1vs1 class, which is arguable, doesn’t mean much when you get eaten alive in teamfights, and can’t rotate to actually get 1vs1s. You also said it goes against lore that necros have mobility, I want you to go and reference where in lore it says necros are supposed to be slow with low mobility. I couldn’t find it anywhere, so maybe you will have better luck. Also, when you say that a class that is on pretty much every single pvp team, that is meta in pve, and a good roamer is the lowest performing I can’t help but laugh a little bit. You can say it’s only cause of shoutbow all you want, but the fact of the matter is their are more high tier warriors than necros by a mile.

talk more bs please…yes wars can swap and gain adrenaline…while in combat…much like….necros can build lf while in comnat…..talk some more bs…you show me youre new to pvp or gw2 in general

(lol) read my response adrenaline cannot be affected by other players attack or defense for example like when chill used to affect initiative it was an horror but DS can in every way(lol). We’re waiting on you Jon.

well like you said…mechanix cannot be compared….tho both begin empty and can only be build in combat…that’s what I was pointing out… I thought an experienced player would need no further explenation on that…yet obviously you do…..new to pvp?

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Even Nos is speculated to be one of the biggest “weights” for the team… So… There’s that.

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LOL, biggest weight, there will always be a biggest “weights” in any team.
but it means kitten, because they would totally pick some thing that doesnt give them better chance to win matches when theres money involved. it’s a team game bois, get real, not random soloq hotjoin.

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Sagat.3285:

Darksteel.8412:

zapv.8051:

Darksteel.8412:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not a active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak.

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”.

warrior starts with no adrenaline either….talk more bs please….we have a 1v1 channel…and necro is top performer with mesmer… time to stop asking for buffs and l2p, we do uphold a non cele amu rule tho…but warrior is the lowest performing of all classes….ALL! ps. the channel is open to anyone and quite active…as in almost 24/7 duels…

Warriors can generate 5 adrenaline by swapping weapons, generate 30 adrenaline in a few seconds with zerker stance, and get adrenaline on every hit. The mechanics are entirely different as adrenaline can be built up orders of magnitude faster than LF. Also, you keep talking about 1vs1, but being a great 1vs1 class, which is arguable, doesn’t mean much when you get eaten alive in teamfights, and can’t rotate to actually get 1vs1s. You also said it goes against lore that necros have mobility, I want you to go and reference where in lore it says necros are supposed to be slow with low mobility. I couldn’t find it anywhere, so maybe you will have better luck. Also, when you say that a class that is on pretty much every single pvp team, that is meta in pve, and a good roamer is the lowest performing I can’t help but laugh a little bit. You can say it’s only cause of shoutbow all you want, but the fact of the matter is their are more high tier warriors than necros by a mile.

talk more bs please…yes wars can swap and gain adrenaline…while in combat…much like….necros can build lf while in comnat…..talk some more bs…you show me youre new to pvp or gw2 in general

(lol) read my response adrenaline cannot be affected by other players attack or defense for example like when chill used to affect initiative it was an horror but DS can in every way(lol). We’re waiting on you Jon.

well like you said…mechanix cannot be compared….tho both begin empty and can only be build in combat…that’s what I was pointing out… I thought an experienced player would need no further explenation on that…yet obviously you do…..new to pvp?

Are you experienced at any level on necro? Again necro and war share the same base issue necro is just worse.

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talk more bs please…yes wars can swap and gain adrenaline…while in combat…much like….necros can build lf while in combat…..talk some more bs…you show me youre new to pvp or gw2 in general. berserker stance on cd…you shuld have free game as a necro vs a warrior….again go watch some real 1v1’s…necros are not UP and compete to the fullest, they lack mobilty…as they should…they need a team suporting buff yes that’s true….other than that necros are in perfect spot

If you really can’t see the difference between skills that automatically give adrenaline, along with getting adrenaline just for hitting someone, as opposed to having to land very specific skill or get hit to get LF you really aren’t trying.

If you can’t see that warriors are wanted more for every game mode more than necros, then again you really aren’t trying.

If you can’t see this translates to necros needing more help than warriors than again, you aren’t trying.

If you can’t see that necros have been asking for the same changes since launch, and really want to right off the thousands of hours people have put into the class as a L2P issue, then your not only a selfish kitten who’s only interests are his classes buffs, but also an idiot.

Also, 1vs1s don’t mean that much in a 5vs5 point capture gametype. Especially when you can ignore the really slow necro at home or far, and just win the other nodes, while they walk around at a snails pace. Now, I’m not saying warriors couldn’t use a few changes, but necros need changes far far more than any class based on the previews.

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If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not an active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak??

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”. Anet plz make a PvP 101 about necro so we can L2P!!

@Darksteel The devs love shoutbow let’s see if they can manage to bring back the other specs in the competition.

No man, necro wanting to start with LF because they would be ganged by 5 people fast,
it’s not the issue in 1v1.
in fact, my 0 hour necro can kill any warrior that is not top level in a dual with 0 LF
the only thing that really can kill a necro in 1v1 is mesmer or power ranger and thief

in fact warrior is the least performing class in 1v1s, it only works on point, theres no point? = not working. unless your opponent is super noob.

choucs.4507:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not an active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak??

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”. Anet plz make a PvP 101 about necro so we can L2P!!

@Darksteel The devs love shoutbow let’s see if they can manage to bring back the other specs in the competition.

No man, necro wanting to start with LF because they would be ganged by 5 people fast,
it’s not the issue in 1v1.
in fact, my 0 hour necro can kill any warrior that is not top level in a dual with 0 LF
the only thing that really can kill a necro in 1v1 is mesmer or power ranger and thief

in fact warrior is the least performing class in 1v1s, it only works on point, theres no point? = not working. unless your opponent is super noob.

You say these are facts, but don’t give any proof. The burden of proof is on you, why should I believe what you said? Can you give any actual explanation or facts on these points? Do you really think this game is all about 1vs1s (it isn’t at all)?

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LOL, biggest weight, there will always be a biggest “weights” in any team.
but it means kitten, because they would totally pick some thing that doesnt give them better chance to win matches when theres money involved. it’s a team game bois, get real, not random soloq hotjoin.

Go watch the WTS again. Nos is a free kill for Frae and Tage.

choucs.4507:

Sagat.3285:

If duel was a mode necro would be the least performing because they start with 0 LF,necro is good 1v1…if you use LF as second HP you will die with zero and respawn with zero…unless of course you want to die with a lot of LF and be better next time. DS is not an active defense mechanic of course if it’s balanced for 5v5 it*can* become OP in 1v1 remember the scenarios above but then why did they chose it and made other sustain sources weak??

This may be 2 years but they have no credibility about this “DS is strroong and skillful mechanic”. Anet plz make a PvP 101 about necro so we can L2P!!

@Darksteel The devs love shoutbow let’s see if they can manage to bring back the other specs in the competition.

No man, necro wanting to start with LF because they would be ganged by 5 people fast,
it’s not the issue in 1v1.
in fact, my 0 hour necro can kill any warrior that is not top level in a dual with 0 LF
the only thing that really can kill a necro in 1v1 is mesmer or power ranger and thief

in fact warrior is the least performing class in 1v1s, it only works on point, theres no point? = not working. unless your opponent is super noob.

Duels are not real and are unsupported, let’s create a normal match scenario…if you go home what class will likely go far(your home) a shatter zerk mesmer or a zerker thief if you go mid you can expect 3-4 players none will not focus on necro… Duels in custom arenas/tournaments etc. are set ups you can build to counter your foe…

Telling a necro “go play in premade” is confirming it’s an inferior class because an inferior build can become strong in proper premade…same kitten with PvE saying “not every class has to be good there” is kitten comment because every class has to be competitive in PvE but not every spec…

If you can’t see that necros have been asking for the same changes since launch, and really want to right off the thousands of hours people have put into the class as a L2P issue, then your not only a selfish kitten who’s only interests are his classes buffs, but also an idiot.

ah the insults…dude it’s not that other’s can’t have buffs…thing is besides a team buffer for necro….the necro does not need any buffs anywhere….in fact few nerfs here and there would be in place….tho I don’t realy care about that….saying necro needs mobilty buff is just stupid….clearly I can see people asking for stuff…yet they don’t know how to play…necro is a superb class….game doesn’t resolve around 1v1 ik that…yet it’s one of the best duellist classes just pointing it out…..a team buffer it might need tho a small one….necro is freaking strong atm and yes concerning LF it is an l2p thing….you need to melt vs multiple players…like any other class does….it’s like thieves saying….HEY YOU CAN’T HIT IF I’M IN STEALTH CAUSE YOU CAN’T SEE ME

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choucs.4507:

LOL, biggest weight, there will always be a biggest “weights” in any team.
but it means kitten, because they would totally pick some thing that doesnt give them better chance to win matches when theres money involved. it’s a team game bois, get real, not random soloq hotjoin.

Go watch the WTS again. Nos is a free kill for Frae and Tage.

don’t talk like you are one of them for you are not…and probably not even close…and chances are you could lose to me in a 1v1
(not going in discussion wheter that’s correct or not, just saying you’re not even close to toptier) much like 95% of the GW2 community isn’t toptier and therefor paid tournaments tho awesome to look at are not the only way to measure on how the game should work…many people get out of work and want to relax, and play a fun balanced game…not full blown mega competitive (tho competition has to be part of it to a certain extent) grieve play and be forced to roll full 100% meta or you’re out…what i’m saying is…and this is good for variety in builds and competitveness is…diminish the gap between meta and non meta builds… warrior is locked into shout (maybe hambow, but not realy, and besides still the bow) and many other classes are locked into one amu or weapon set that…this needs to be removed

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don’t talk like you are one of them for you are not…and probably not even close…and chances are you could lose to me in a 1v1
(not going in discussion wheter that’s correct or not, just saying you’re not even close to toptier)

Actually, I’ve won several 1v1s against top players. But I don’t see why that is relevant. 1v1s don’t mean much and its not an area where Necro is lacking. The problem is entirely in the context of Conquest as a team centric game mode where Necromancer is much weaker to focus from several players than the majority of classes.

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Did we master Deathshroud yet?

main necromancers are biggest tryhards in this game
sadly….

There is a lot of ignorance about necromancers here… It’s no wonder they never get fixed. Of the devs (who also play the game) think like the rest of you the classes is conpletely screwed…

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Darksteel.8412:

don’t talk like you are one of them for you are not…and probably not even close…and chances are you could lose to me in a 1v1
(not going in discussion wheter that’s correct or not, just saying you’re not even close to toptier)

Actually, I’ve won several 1v1s against top players. But I don’t see why that is relevant. 1v1s don’t mean much and its not an area where Necro is lacking. The problem is entirely in the context of Conquest as a team centric game mode where Necromancer is much weaker to focus from several players than the majority of classes.

I already clearly stated it’s not about 1v1 and I know this…just pointing it out cause I know many players do care for it…top players beaten in 1v1…welcome so have I…in fact 3 days ago an elitist promised me 100g if I could beat him on his d/d cele on my zerker gs war…guess (witnesses were present cause they all thought they had the cat in the bag) I won…Dietykatarina is the name of the ele that got rekt…14k hp left I had…not sure how high ranked the player is…but according to his words very from the pvp guild “we caused the [nerf]” did he pay up….did I receive the 100g? well yea I did…respect for that. thats all folks and mediocore baddy criers….time to “sleep”

It seems my post got deleted so I’ll try to be nice….

@Darksteel What do you know of necro?Have you tried it and play competitively with it?

I hope this thread never dies so we can always remember that the response to Necromancer being too weak was “L2P”.

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Keep in mind that some professions are harder to master than others. I believe Necro is the hardest, opinions may vary, but just keep this in mind. No we arent ignoring Necro, but once people start mastering DS, I’m afraid of how strong Necro will be. Give it some time for the average player to learn these things. For example early on in LOL master yi was dominant until people learned how to counter him.

MASTERING DEATHSHROUD!!!! are you kidding me? its a damage sponge that vanishes all too fast against multiple people and is hard to get back up because it requires opponent stupidity(hitting you during a spectral) or them to not dodge the fiew weapon skills that build it… Even if you have a full tank of ds they just need to immob you and cc you till its gone natural decay and all. if you cant master f1 then press 5 4 11111111111 then i dont know what to think… oh and consume condition is like a beacon shouting interrupt me im out of deathshroud and need to heal i will give you plenty of time to do so..

all healskills are easily interupted except HS (no HS needs no more nerfs), git gud